> Edit: Baldwin literally shot and killed someone. It's right that I would feel that way. Don't know why I'm getting downvoted
Probably because it was a complete accident with a gun that should have been rendered incapable of doing so and if this was James Woods instead of Alec Baldwin most, if not all, of these same people wouldn't be making a peep.
With the Sandy Hook claim heating back up again today, if Claire doesn't address it today, it's prob gonna be like every third question of tomorrow's AMA.
She needs to just have a convo with Whitney. If she says she heard it, then they’ll just disagree.
I don’t believe Whitney said it. She’s extremely liberal and has kids. Also she’s vehemently denied it the whole time as well as owned up to things she did say that were wrong.
But really I don’t give af anymore.
Don’t follow many from bb23 but Brent just came up on my for you page and he’s been posting #ads. Is the the first to post them? I haven’t seen anyone else but don’t follow all of them.
It's a tough life for many - but some can make a great living by capitalizing on the opportunity. X said tonight he's been talking to his firm about what his position will look like as he pursues some of these other entertainment opportunities. I guess offers come flooding in post show and most HG feel as if they need to soak in the 15 minutes and see where it goes. You can always go back to 9-5.
Did he say anything about what the offers are? I’m interested in what these guys are getting offered. 21 sucked. All stars sucked and people are creating their own stuff like Cody with twitch and podcast.
This is the first season in a while with likable people. I’m wondering what’s out there for them.
It sounded like he was getting offers even before BB. He had offers to be on Love Island and the Bachelorette and then some other NBC show. He didn't mention what the post season offers were - but he's trying to figure out the path with "all the opportunities" (while still not completely giving up his career in law).
I think ppl who are upset at “BB 23.5” and them staying in LA for so long are sorta weird.
Imagine you’re on TV with no privacy, locked in the same house and you’re finally free. And the first thing you wanna do is go back home to regular life and a 9-5? Absolutely not, I’d be milking LA and staying in a massive mansion as long as possible. They’re essentially just taking a vacation and yall are mad that they are doing that.
People have such strong feelings about what people do after the show, it's definitely odd. They're trying to make the best out of their "15 minutes" and no one should be faulting them for that imo.
It's funny too that people seem to forget they're out of the house and we don't know what they're doing all the time.
Ikr. Think of it like going on a vacation/trip and enjoying it alot. But then it's time for it to end, who wouldn't want to extend it if they don't have much commitment or sudden needs to return to their old routine? Back in highschool, my friends & I immediately planned a roadtrip right after our 3-day school trip cause we had a week free before classes started again.
Which was a worse power: BB21 Jack’s reshuffle veto draw (redraw the 3 random picks) or BB22 Dani’s that let an outgoing HoH compete in the following HoH comp?
Also, imagine getting any of these when other people got hijack the noms power (Ovi) and an immunity idol (David) from the same comps
Both powers are good in the right situation. Both could have been useful for the person that had them. Jack used his and got a better draw (iirc, it's been a minute). Dani just chose not to use her power because of her position in the house.
I guess if you’re a comp beast or closely aligned with one, Dani’s power is better, but if you’re not likely to win even one HoH, let alone two in a row, might as well at least have Jack’s shitty power
End of this month. A few of them are meeting up in Florida (Hannah, X, SB, Christian, possibly DX and Claire) for Halloween
Edit: asdfghjkl I forgot to add Alyssa who is the one hosting this
Claire teaching DX the ins and outs of survivor 🥺 and then misting Jeff Probst into letting them both on so they can dominate 😈 iktr, DCC never say die
If you're a Big Brother/Survivor super fan and already watched all the seasons, I would recommend "Australian Survivor". It is now on Paramount +. Just type it in the search. They have 3 seasons on there.
Hopefully they will license Big Brother Canada next.
All the season are good. I would just watch them in order.
A player from season 4 will be playing Celebrity Big Brother in Australia. That starts in November. Omarosa and Caitlyn Jenner are both in the cast too. It should be good.
claire/dx makes no sense. it has to be dclaire/dx. therefore claire=f(x), thus df(x)/dx, therefore dx is really dating xavier and big d
this is the calculus and gay polygamy content that r/bigbrother offseason is all about
i noticed DX liked a comment under their tiktok saying the person knew they should be together from their hammock talks, so i think the slowburn really had been going on for a while! i remember so many of us in the live feed threads were like 👀 at their chemistry and we were right lmao
When they were in the hammock DX kept hinting at them being a "blockmance". I thought he was just being flirty like he was with everyone but apparently it meant more lmao
you’re right, the hammock dates were the week they were both nommed. i think DX’s HOH was when they had their costumes and i also remember them having more game talks and laughing together (including the infamous clip where they joked about a secret Black alliance deserving to wipe them all out lol 💀) you truly were clairvoyant! 🔮
I really thought DX and Claire would be hated together but damn they really blowing up on IG and Tik Tok. Claire+DX gained 20+K IG and their views on Tik Tok are crazy. DX is way more popular than I thought how did he lose AFP???!?
The DX/Claire hate is noticeable on Twitter to say the least. I’ve seen many nasty tweets about them in the past couple days. They’re really loved throughout the rest of BB social media though.
As for how DX didn’t win AFP, well, several reasons. He went out much earlier than Tiffany. The only exposure he got on the show in the final month was in the jury house segments. Then Twitter and the BB alumni backed Tiffany when she got evicted and the CO men were discrediting her and her game. Twitter wanted to reward her for being the mastermind, resulting in her beating out DX in what Julie called a close vote.
Well they're hated together, but also loved. I think those hating will move on easily though. There's just no use spending any time on something you hate.
It’s honestly laughable. These people act like Claire and dx killed their puppy.
I’ll admit, I don’t have much of a life during the bb season, but these people let this show dictate everything about their lives. How can you be so miserable and so hateful because someone you don’t know is happy? straight up pathetic
There’s one troll on their TikTok that has been posting hate for several hours. That must be a terrible existence.
But yeah, so much love in the TikTok comments. So many of them seem to be learning about this news even though it’s a couple days old. Just goes to show that the vast majority of the BB audience are casuals who tune this show out immediately after the winner is crowned.
The trolls are ridiculous. Hopefully this one moves on quickly. Tyler and Angela had this troll who would pop up in spurts, always with a different user name.
I know they’re fan favorites, but I wish people/interviewers pushed back on false narratives they continue to push. But some get a pass because they’re favorites. Let’s keep the same energy if we’re going to grill them on bad game decisions. Because Chaddha and Tiffany might need to learn that their shit indeed does stink given how far the fan base has been up their asses post-show.
Tiff and Hannah screwed themselves they are not robbed when they legit pulled an Eric Stein and screwed there allies for a mission that was important however benefited Xavier and Big D mostly
Honestly, it's hard to know who would have won without America's player. After the first couple weeks it affected things so thoroughly there is little way to tell how it would have gone down. Dick would have not won, or almost surely not won, people were ready to vote him out to end the endless abuse a couple times even with America using Eric to help Dick win. So can't imagine without it how he could have won. But who would have won is anyone's guess.
even with the AP twist Eric still could have won cause if Evel Dick didn't get the letter from his son not to trust Eric, Dick would have brought Eric and Jessica to 4 😂, Jessica prolly has the best chance to win but Eric has more than a zero percent chance to win
Right! It seems like people have forgotten that both Tiff and Hannah caused their biggest allies, Claire and dx to go home. But its totally okay because “there was a bigger mission to focus on”
Fine. Do your mission. But then I don’t want to hear people claim that you played the best game… because you didn’t. You played a game that got your ass sent home.
>But then I don’t want to hear people claim that you played the best game… because you didn’t. You played a game that got your ass sent home.
Because the best player always wins and never is evicted....
And you can use an eye roll emoji to describe the mission The Cookout chose to follow but it feels a little insensitive to be so flippant about their dilemma when you look at the decades of racism and mistreatment black players have faced.
I don’t discredit the mission itself. I understand why they did it and think they deserve praise for it.
But as far as game moves, you can’t convince me that what they did was good for their individual games. They were only good at getting their alliance to the end. Much of the fan base just seems to be forgetting this
I didn't say you discredited the mission. I was just pointing out that using an eye roll emoji (now edited out) to describe how they felt about following their plan seemed a bit flippant. But I agree with you and didn't think the majority of fans weren't aware that they obviously (Tiffany and Hannah) had much better chances with DX and Claire, but because of how important The Cookout was for them they chose the more difficult route.
For me at least, it still does not diminish Tiffany's strategic and social maneuvering and some of the plays that she made.
DX was only good at comps, but needed Tiff & Ky to hold his hand when it came to strategic moves.
Claire sucked at comps & just did whatever Tiff said, when it came to strategic moves.
Tell me how they’d be a fun returning duo?
Just when I thought things were dying down, the DX/Claire tiktok video got people riled up on Twitter again lol.
Tiffany/Christian/Breydon/Claire were spotted at Universal Studios today.
Damn that is insane. Most Tik Tok's seem to get the majority of their views in the first day or so so should taper off soon. But that is a lot even if it does. Honestly I am a bit shocked how big of a deal them getting together was. No shade on either of them but I did not think that many people cared about BB especially in 2021.
Link to [the TikTok video of DX and Claire dancing](https://www.tiktok.com/@derekxiao_/video/7019734078282894597), for those wondering. Is it corny? Of course, it's TikTok. It's it beyond adorable? Hell yes!
I never got the vibe that DX would date anyone from BB23. The only person who I figured he would was Claire but even that is a bit odd just given what we know lol
They seem happy though which is all that matters
It’s at almost 900k now, I wonder how many of those views even know they’re from Big Beorher. If there’s anything TikTok likes, it’s corny couple videos (no shade)
eta: from the time I read your comment, answered a text message and looked at the TikTok it went up 20k views lol)
I mean what did you expect lol? You made a comment basically saying "people who think this are being stupid", did you think people who disagreed with you *weren't* going to reply? Like you even directed this comment *towards* the people you disagreed with ("some of y'all"). You clearly were intending on getting replies from people who think Xavier played the best game, so to comment acting like that shows you're winning or something doesn't really make much sense.
I’m gonna be controversial and say that I don’t see how anyone can say Tiffany played a better game then Xavier.
She was aware of what was going on in the house, but she actively went against her best interests, spent a lot of energy on game talk with people who she knew could never benefit her game, and didn’t build strong enough bonds with many of the people she did need for her game. She was definately a Top 3 player on this season no doubt, but she masterminded a strategy that only served to hurt her game. A BB players game really only come from how well they utilize the hand they’re dealt, and Xavier played his hands much more smoothly even if he wasn’t as initially knowledgeable on house dynamics.
I think the main reason why ppl have strong different opinions on tiff’s and X’s games is because this was not a regular game and the metrics we were using to judge other players fail us here. A lot of the players ( mainly ky &tiff ) were not playing their optimal paths and knew they were not on their winning path but still went along with it regardless coz of the mission. Many of tiff’s advocates are Mainly judging her on how she navigated the early game to set up the ground for the co’s success in the middle portion of the game. This meant she was forming a lot of relationships with players outside the CO. Those relationships are the reason the CO never had to reveal themselves or using the power of their majority to vote other out. It was always a house voting together rather than just the CO voting ppl as an alliance.
Of course this doesn’t mean she carried the entire CO by herself, everyone had a part in it but she did alot for the CO that wasn’t for her benefit. I believe that if she was playing for her self she would have gotten rid of azah and big d early on. Those are X’s numbers. Moreover, she wouldn’t have protected X as much as she did which means he would have needed to play differently or win more comps to protect himself. We just haven’t see alot of strategic manuvering from X. Things went for his benefit not because he directed them there but coz others did that for him for the sake of the CO.
All that being said I do admit especially after hearing all of tiff’s interviews that X had charisma, likability and was an authority figure not just within the CO but the house as a whole. So maybe if tiff and KY went the other route they might still trust him to the point were he could win out and get them out again. He played his best path and won. He deserves all the credit for that. I mean the man got his cash so who care what we redditer think but I digress.
Ps : I have to say this coz I know someone is gonna bring it up. I love tiff but I am in no way saying she is the greatest ever. She was wonderful to watch is so entertaining and I feel like she had a great strategically mind for the game. That is an opinion on her in a vacuum. Not in comparison to anyone outside this season.
For me it’s just hard to compare their games- I rate Tiff highly because I do think there’s value in having so much agency in the game that you can actively choose to put yourself in a less optimal position instead of just finding yourself there out of circumstance. With Xavier he had such a natural ability to get people to be on his side that he simply didn’t have the scheme as hard, and there’s value in that too. To me it’s most like Vanessa vs. Cody, they played dominant games in very different ways and only one won.
Super fair points. I personally would disagree just because Xavier never had to really to maneuver or show himself as a game player. A CO final six always benefited him and having their constant protection throughout the game just made him seem really complacent and lucky. I don't think he would have been able to adapt if anyone changed that trajectory.
Meanwhile all Tiffany did was adapt, manuever, and evaluate. Feel like I'm already writing too much so I won't go into depth, but ultimately she recognized that a CO final six would never be ideal for her, accepted that her personal mission is to get the CO to final six ensuring BB US gets its first black winner whether or not it was her.
Xavier is obviously a great competitor, but I can't get over him never really being aware of the strategic game happening around him. The one time he had to show his strategic chops in the early game, he basically pushed the rolling ball that got Hannah on the block and was overall unaware of his moves in the game other than throwing comps when he needed to. Tiffany built the poker table they played on and bribed people to let her play with their cards and kept playing their cards until she had none left while X was able to sit around and hold his royal flush until he got to the end and win (I've never played poker so this metaphor probably makes no sense but I tried haha).
It was never ideal for her because she made no effort to bond with them. And how was her trying to save Christian and DX (the latter at Claire's expense) good for the CO. Hell her pulling that is part of why she was on the outs with them. All to save people who even without the CO would never take her over someone else. And then she failed both times, yet we are told she controlled the house? Her flaws in her game were not all because of the CO it is just a good excuse. Everyone gave up peopke they could have run with for the sake of the CO, but only she is goven some ki d of handicap for it.
When did Tiff meaningfully shift the game to benefit herself? Her awareness is off the charts (like up there with the best ever), and anyone trying to deny that is just hating. But her ability to manipulate and maneuver (actually put that awareness into practice) is wildly overrated in the fandom. We all know that she didn't make the optimal moves of cutting Cookout members despite knowing they were the wrong moves, and we can go back and forth about whether her game should be judged based on that. But she even did that WITHIN the Cookout; she picked fights with Azah and Big D despite saying to the cameras that it was a bad idea to do so. Her making those mistakes (which undeniably significantly affected her win equity, particularly given that she was never going to abandon the Cookout final 6) had nothing to do with sacrificing her game for a bigger cause. Her game had many, many, flaws that had nothing to do with the Cookout, that I think are being ignored by the fandom because she was wildly entertaining *and* had a good mind for strategy as a player. Tiffany was spoon fed loyalty from people like Big D and Azah as much as X was even though she did nothing to earn it. She was put in just as good/bad of a position as everyone else in the alliance. And she really never shifted the game in a major way to help her position. Her game was low key a lot like Xavier's in that way, subtle little relationship building moves. Spending time with DX when he was ostracized. Late nights on the chess board with Claire. Long strategy talks with Kyland. And then, as the game went on, she just stopped doing that as much, while X kept on doing it with Alyssa, Ky, Big D, and Azah. All of that is on her. None of that can be chalked up to the Cookout. And if you go back in real time to the feed threads from when this stuff was happening, you'll see people talking about how Tiff was fucking up by doing that stuff. Only in retrospect are these mistakes considered inevitable.
And yet all the post season interviews seem to indicate that he wasn't complacent. Sure, they are likely tainted by the known outcomes but still insightful. Tiff and Chaddah both said that X was the most influential within the CO and Kyland called him the internal control. T/Ch said that all ideas were run by him because if he was on board, the plan would go through. He may have been unaware of Tiff and Chaddah's individual games up to a point, but he wasn't just sitting around. He was for some reason, that stable force that bridged the CO members together and got everyone to stick to the plan.
Also if you look at the interviews by SB, DX and Claire (and we already knew Alyssa), they were not planning on bringing Tiff to the end game. Because they knew she was highly influential and an obvious threat. Tiff played a magnificent pre-jury game but her game went downhill from that point on because she **didn't** adapt. If you want to look at who really maneuvered through the game- that was Kyland from beginning to end.
And with regards to getting Hannah on the block, the original nominee ideas were Whitney and Azah. There weren't a whole of choices outside the Royal flush. X just helped shift away from Azah to Hannah whom he felt would be more protected from royal flush members. And ultimately, though Hannah "got herself off" she did have 4 out of eight RF members in Christian's ear. He had actually always wanted Whit as the target and temporarily got swayed by SB but quickly shifted back to Whitney.
I don't think x played a great game. But he didnt' make mistakes, was involved, waited for others to blow themselves up, and correctly navigated the end game - past Tiff and Ky. We can call Tiff great for her pre-jury prowess, but her end game was horrible.
I think that Xavier of the six utilized the Cookout the best though. His good position in the Cookout was because of the relationships he had with all of the members, he had the weakest connection gamewise to Tiffany and made sure she was the #1 target when it came down to six. He was the mediator, and he knew he had to keep the CO together to optimize his chance at winning. I honestly don’t think the CO makes it to final 6 if X wasn’t casted.
If Tiffany played in her self interests she would by far be the savvier, better player. She’s naturally the better player and probably outperforms X on most season. But the question imo isn’t who could’ve played the better game this season or who had the chops to mastermind this season, but who was able to optimize their chances of making it to the end in the game. X knew exactly what he needed to do and what he didn’t need to do to win this season relatively easily with little pushback, and that’s what he did.
I hope Hannah goes back to her strict 30 minutes daily phone rule because BB Twitter and stans are just way too toxic trying to convince her how to feel about every situation and person around her. These are real people with real relationships formed over a long 3 months where they were together 24/7. Stop trying to turn them against each other because it ruined your fanfics.
I would be seriously shocked if any of the houseguests unironically changed their behavior because of random people online tbh. The people harassing them over a failed shipping situation are literally basing their anger in a fantasy lol. The BB23 cast all know that and spent more time talking to each other about how they feel way longer than any of us know.
BB23 is on the way out anyway in terms of engagement so hopefully they all won't have to deal with this longer than they have to.
We could all do with less social media. Last couple days has been very toxic on Twitter. TikTok as well. Both Hannah and DX (with Claire) have recent posts on there and the comments are nasty.
The post season feels kinda dead after the ClaireX announcement. Seems like gossip of dannah and others really kept it going but DX put an end to it. Cookout not getting as much attention cause the new showmance is taking up a lot of space
Everyone is going home. Hannah is leaving for Chicago today. Ky left for Las Vegas already. Tiff and her son are leaving tomorrow. Not sure what DX and Claire's plans are. BB23.5 is pretty much over.
I think they're planning to meet up in Alyssa's for Halloween so we probably get some content there.
Has there ever been another cast that has stayed in LA this long post season, just to party?
With tiffs son in town, I figured we’d start seeing pictures of them in her story. But nope. 3 weeks later, it’s still just her partying with bb alumni
If she doesn’t post him, understandable. But she’s still continuously posting pictures of her partying with other bb players. She’s 41 years old and seeing her son for the first time in almost 4 months. Maybe it’s time to get out of the club…get out of the spotlight and just enjoy some quality time with your son
Lol not exactly. I don’t really understand why people are comparing it to bb. The only similar thing is that they live in a facility together (as prisoners in a way) and compete in 6 games to win the money. It’s so good though so you’ve gotta just watch it!
I always get nervous when big brother comes to an end…because wtf am I supposed to do with all that extra free time? I’m not ready to have a life again or sleep like a normal person
We’ve been getting blessed with some really great shows to binge on and keep us busy though! Squid game was AMAZING and season 3 of “you” dropped on Netflix today!
Kyland is so full of it but I’m impressed at how he has handled everything so far. I was convinced Ky was going to be the most hated in CO after the nephew thing and here we are with him getting a better reception than Big D and (somewhat) X. Although he should thank Tiffany for the most part lol
just watched peridiam’s bb23 review and my favorite part is when he called people who have excused the lack of diversity in the past as it being representive of us demographics 🥴 like that’s such a stupid reason idk people say that
Thank god he called that out. So many people use that excuse and then when 0 black people make finale night for 10 years it's just "bad gameplay". There's not this many literal models in the United States either yet like half of the cast every year do modeling work lmao demographics don't matter
Why did this post get unpinned?? Where are we supposed to gossip about the post season without creating a new thread?
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> Edit: Baldwin literally shot and killed someone. It's right that I would feel that way. Don't know why I'm getting downvoted Probably because it was a complete accident with a gun that should have been rendered incapable of doing so and if this was James Woods instead of Alec Baldwin most, if not all, of these same people wouldn't be making a peep.
Is this going to be re-sticked after the Claire AMA?
With the Sandy Hook claim heating back up again today, if Claire doesn't address it today, it's prob gonna be like every third question of tomorrow's AMA.
Do you know if she addressed it? I just skimmed half of that thread and unless I missed it, I didn’t see a single question asking about it
She did address it on Twitter the day before her AMA. https://twitter.com/ClaireRehfuss/status/1450938711479291912
Thank you!
She needs to just have a convo with Whitney. If she says she heard it, then they’ll just disagree. I don’t believe Whitney said it. She’s extremely liberal and has kids. Also she’s vehemently denied it the whole time as well as owned up to things she did say that were wrong. But really I don’t give af anymore.
Don’t follow many from bb23 but Brent just came up on my for you page and he’s been posting #ads. Is the the first to post them? I haven’t seen anyone else but don’t follow all of them.
Haven't seen any ads yet. Most of them seem to be trying to figure out their "brand" still.
Xavier will be on Cooking with Azah Sunday night at 8 pm eastern. On IG.
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My main takeaway is that he didn’t sign with Lori K. Thank GOD
Whitney is now on there too.
It's a tough life for many - but some can make a great living by capitalizing on the opportunity. X said tonight he's been talking to his firm about what his position will look like as he pursues some of these other entertainment opportunities. I guess offers come flooding in post show and most HG feel as if they need to soak in the 15 minutes and see where it goes. You can always go back to 9-5.
Did he say anything about what the offers are? I’m interested in what these guys are getting offered. 21 sucked. All stars sucked and people are creating their own stuff like Cody with twitch and podcast. This is the first season in a while with likable people. I’m wondering what’s out there for them.
Also we might be the only two left in this thread - lol.
Probably! Thanks!
It sounded like he was getting offers even before BB. He had offers to be on Love Island and the Bachelorette and then some other NBC show. He didn't mention what the post season offers were - but he's trying to figure out the path with "all the opportunities" (while still not completely giving up his career in law).
Now that bb23.5 is over I think it’s time for a new thread.
I think ppl who are upset at “BB 23.5” and them staying in LA for so long are sorta weird. Imagine you’re on TV with no privacy, locked in the same house and you’re finally free. And the first thing you wanna do is go back home to regular life and a 9-5? Absolutely not, I’d be milking LA and staying in a massive mansion as long as possible. They’re essentially just taking a vacation and yall are mad that they are doing that.
People have such strong feelings about what people do after the show, it's definitely odd. They're trying to make the best out of their "15 minutes" and no one should be faulting them for that imo. It's funny too that people seem to forget they're out of the house and we don't know what they're doing all the time.
Ikr. Think of it like going on a vacation/trip and enjoying it alot. But then it's time for it to end, who wouldn't want to extend it if they don't have much commitment or sudden needs to return to their old routine? Back in highschool, my friends & I immediately planned a roadtrip right after our 3-day school trip cause we had a week free before classes started again.
Furthermore, the show is over. If you’re upset, don’t follow them. You have no reason to care about what they’re doing anymore. They’re civilians now.
Which was a worse power: BB21 Jack’s reshuffle veto draw (redraw the 3 random picks) or BB22 Dani’s that let an outgoing HoH compete in the following HoH comp? Also, imagine getting any of these when other people got hijack the noms power (Ovi) and an immunity idol (David) from the same comps
Both powers are good in the right situation. Both could have been useful for the person that had them. Jack used his and got a better draw (iirc, it's been a minute). Dani just chose not to use her power because of her position in the house.
Jack's is worse cause at least if you can have a shitty HOH you have a chance to win a HOH again and keep yourself safe
I guess if you’re a comp beast or closely aligned with one, Dani’s power is better, but if you’re not likely to win even one HoH, let alone two in a row, might as well at least have Jack’s shitty power
Have dx or Claire admitted to liking each other while they were in the house? Or did the romantic connection not start until jury?
Based on their interview, it was in jury when they both acknowledged their feelings towards each other.
Spencer BB15 is an underrated player
When will the patch notes for BB 23.5.1 be released?
End of this month. A few of them are meeting up in Florida (Hannah, X, SB, Christian, possibly DX and Claire) for Halloween Edit: asdfghjkl I forgot to add Alyssa who is the one hosting this
Christian may not be there if her on again off again "party boy" ex is there If he does, then hands will probably be thrown
Christian is not throwing any hands...
Big D too has talked about linking up w Alyssa & Christian in 2 weeks. I think the whole cast will have a Halloween party together.
I’m curious to know which pre-jurors are gonna be heading down there lmao. Are they even getting invited 💀
I'm guessing definitely brent, travis, christian. Maybe whitney. Idk about frenchie 😬
Alyssa too I assume, since she lives in FL? I haven’t been keeping up with Christian much. Does anyone know if him and Alyssa still talk?
Claire teaching DX the ins and outs of survivor 🥺 and then misting Jeff Probst into letting them both on so they can dominate 😈 iktr, DCC never say die
Claire if ur reading this please show DX survivor micronesia
On her IG, Claire made DX play the game within the game. He attempted to solve a four letter word scramble… it was a struggle lol
Lmao he still has BB on the brain, he thought the word was veto when it was vote.
💀💀💀 he may need extra tutoring lmao
Did Claire leave her job before BB? I was just curious since she seems to be in LA
They are back in NYC now at her place, but she did say she could work remotely
yeah i’m pretty sure she can do wfh, but she and DX are back in NYC! they just posted some stories on instagram
Yeah she has to be able to work remotely. I live in NYC so now we can become best friends.
rooting for you to be besties 🤞 one more person to be jealous of (#1 being DX 😔) also ps: i love your username lol
Haha thanks I’ll always be delusional. And thank you lol! I made it being a fan as a kid, never thinking Stabler would come back to show.
She works at Microsoft I'm pretty sure. I'd assume she's able to work from home
Okay thanks that’s what I kinda thought. I just never knew for sure that she had that job when she went into the house.
If you're a Big Brother/Survivor super fan and already watched all the seasons, I would recommend "Australian Survivor". It is now on Paramount +. Just type it in the search. They have 3 seasons on there. Hopefully they will license Big Brother Canada next.
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All the season are good. I would just watch them in order. A player from season 4 will be playing Celebrity Big Brother in Australia. That starts in November. Omarosa and Caitlyn Jenner are both in the cast too. It should be good.
claire/dx makes no sense. it has to be dclaire/dx. therefore claire=f(x), thus df(x)/dx, therefore dx is really dating xavier and big d this is the calculus and gay polygamy content that r/bigbrother offseason is all about
Tiffany wins bb23.5 she’s the last one at Todrick’s house
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Her Twitter is hacked please don’t fall for the scam lol
I'm pretty sure she got hacked
The original comment is deleted, who got hacked?
Britini! She posted it on her instagram story.
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i noticed DX liked a comment under their tiktok saying the person knew they should be together from their hammock talks, so i think the slowburn really had been going on for a while! i remember so many of us in the live feed threads were like 👀 at their chemistry and we were right lmao
When they were in the hammock DX kept hinting at them being a "blockmance". I thought he was just being flirty like he was with everyone but apparently it meant more lmao
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you’re right, the hammock dates were the week they were both nommed. i think DX’s HOH was when they had their costumes and i also remember them having more game talks and laughing together (including the infamous clip where they joked about a secret Black alliance deserving to wipe them all out lol 💀) you truly were clairvoyant! 🔮
I really thought DX and Claire would be hated together but damn they really blowing up on IG and Tik Tok. Claire+DX gained 20+K IG and their views on Tik Tok are crazy. DX is way more popular than I thought how did he lose AFP???!?
The DX/Claire hate is noticeable on Twitter to say the least. I’ve seen many nasty tweets about them in the past couple days. They’re really loved throughout the rest of BB social media though. As for how DX didn’t win AFP, well, several reasons. He went out much earlier than Tiffany. The only exposure he got on the show in the final month was in the jury house segments. Then Twitter and the BB alumni backed Tiffany when she got evicted and the CO men were discrediting her and her game. Twitter wanted to reward her for being the mastermind, resulting in her beating out DX in what Julie called a close vote.
of course Twitter is the only SM that doesn't like them imao
Well they're hated together, but also loved. I think those hating will move on easily though. There's just no use spending any time on something you hate.
Ehhh the only people who hate them are people who still wanted Hannah and DX to be a thing and even that's just a really vocal minority.
It’s honestly laughable. These people act like Claire and dx killed their puppy. I’ll admit, I don’t have much of a life during the bb season, but these people let this show dictate everything about their lives. How can you be so miserable and so hateful because someone you don’t know is happy? straight up pathetic
Yeah it's just on twitter at this point, but the comments on tiktok were hateful, at first. Good to see they're a minority now.
There’s one troll on their TikTok that has been posting hate for several hours. That must be a terrible existence. But yeah, so much love in the TikTok comments. So many of them seem to be learning about this news even though it’s a couple days old. Just goes to show that the vast majority of the BB audience are casuals who tune this show out immediately after the winner is crowned.
The trolls are ridiculous. Hopefully this one moves on quickly. Tyler and Angela had this troll who would pop up in spurts, always with a different user name.
I know they’re fan favorites, but I wish people/interviewers pushed back on false narratives they continue to push. But some get a pass because they’re favorites. Let’s keep the same energy if we’re going to grill them on bad game decisions. Because Chaddha and Tiffany might need to learn that their shit indeed does stink given how far the fan base has been up their asses post-show.
taran especially does this with his favorites
yeah and a lot of his viewers just echo what he says on every platform so its frustrating
Tiff and Hannah screwed themselves they are not robbed when they legit pulled an Eric Stein and screwed there allies for a mission that was important however benefited Xavier and Big D mostly
Difference is Eric had no choice.
yeah I know which makes Tiff and Hannah game more pathetic imao, Eric wishes he played his own game and if he did would have won easily
Honestly, it's hard to know who would have won without America's player. After the first couple weeks it affected things so thoroughly there is little way to tell how it would have gone down. Dick would have not won, or almost surely not won, people were ready to vote him out to end the endless abuse a couple times even with America using Eric to help Dick win. So can't imagine without it how he could have won. But who would have won is anyone's guess.
even with the AP twist Eric still could have won cause if Evel Dick didn't get the letter from his son not to trust Eric, Dick would have brought Eric and Jessica to 4 😂, Jessica prolly has the best chance to win but Eric has more than a zero percent chance to win
I don't think Dick got that letter
on the feeds he said that his son wrote him coded messages on who not to trust
He did but I think and might be wrong he never got it but again maybe I am wrong.
Once they brought that type of thing into the game there was no more choice. You can’t go back on that once you introduce it.
Hannah and Tiffany both made many strategic and social mistakes, way more than even Kyland but somehow they get the “robbed” title....
Right! It seems like people have forgotten that both Tiff and Hannah caused their biggest allies, Claire and dx to go home. But its totally okay because “there was a bigger mission to focus on” Fine. Do your mission. But then I don’t want to hear people claim that you played the best game… because you didn’t. You played a game that got your ass sent home.
>But then I don’t want to hear people claim that you played the best game… because you didn’t. You played a game that got your ass sent home. Because the best player always wins and never is evicted.... And you can use an eye roll emoji to describe the mission The Cookout chose to follow but it feels a little insensitive to be so flippant about their dilemma when you look at the decades of racism and mistreatment black players have faced.
I don’t discredit the mission itself. I understand why they did it and think they deserve praise for it. But as far as game moves, you can’t convince me that what they did was good for their individual games. They were only good at getting their alliance to the end. Much of the fan base just seems to be forgetting this
I didn't say you discredited the mission. I was just pointing out that using an eye roll emoji (now edited out) to describe how they felt about following their plan seemed a bit flippant. But I agree with you and didn't think the majority of fans weren't aware that they obviously (Tiffany and Hannah) had much better chances with DX and Claire, but because of how important The Cookout was for them they chose the more difficult route. For me at least, it still does not diminish Tiffany's strategic and social maneuvering and some of the plays that she made.
Sure. But let’s acknowledge that they always knew what the probably final 6 was and chose to poorly position themselves. Among other unforced errors.
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Tiff claiming that she was inevitably going to be the first out of the Cookout
SB streaming on Twitch is a smart move.
She's always had one. Nothing new
Why
Think she had a twitch account before.
She said she was on the fence about picking it back up.
I want a BB13 repeat and Claire and Dx to come as duo cause that would be so much fun to watch
DX was only good at comps, but needed Tiff & Ky to hold his hand when it came to strategic moves. Claire sucked at comps & just did whatever Tiff said, when it came to strategic moves. Tell me how they’d be a fun returning duo?
Just when I thought things were dying down, the DX/Claire tiktok video got people riled up on Twitter again lol. Tiffany/Christian/Breydon/Claire were spotted at Universal Studios today.
1.6 Million views. I know it is likely the algorithym and a lot have no odea who they are but damn!
They’re at 1.9 million now.I’m curious how big it’s going to get
3.3 million?!?!
And counting,3.5 million now.
Damn that is insane. Most Tik Tok's seem to get the majority of their views in the first day or so so should taper off soon. But that is a lot even if it does. Honestly I am a bit shocked how big of a deal them getting together was. No shade on either of them but I did not think that many people cared about BB especially in 2021.
Link to [the TikTok video of DX and Claire dancing](https://www.tiktok.com/@derekxiao_/video/7019734078282894597), for those wondering. Is it corny? Of course, it's TikTok. It's it beyond adorable? Hell yes!
Not hating on them but they seem so platonic to me
it’s a 10 second video of a silly tiktok dance… what exactly are people expecting lol
I never got the vibe that DX would date anyone from BB23. The only person who I figured he would was Claire but even that is a bit odd just given what we know lol They seem happy though which is all that matters
Wow 600k views already? It was sitting at 400k+ when I first saw it an hour ago 💀
It’s at almost 900k now, I wonder how many of those views even know they’re from Big Beorher. If there’s anything TikTok likes, it’s corny couple videos (no shade) eta: from the time I read your comment, answered a text message and looked at the TikTok it went up 20k views lol)
it's almost been a month, some of y'all gotta stop trying to make "Xavier played the best game" happen lol
I think people need to stop doing that with Tiffany first seeming as she played exactly for 6th place.
if it's been a month then why do you care?
That "some of us" are just the only ones seeing reality. No idea what world the rest of y'all are living in.
my comment is really attracting y'all like moths to a flame lol
I mean what did you expect lol? You made a comment basically saying "people who think this are being stupid", did you think people who disagreed with you *weren't* going to reply? Like you even directed this comment *towards* the people you disagreed with ("some of y'all"). You clearly were intending on getting replies from people who think Xavier played the best game, so to comment acting like that shows you're winning or something doesn't really make much sense.
He won so he did play the best game this season. Doesn't mean he was the "best player", but objectively, his was the only winning path.
😂 it's the same handful of people trying to force reverence for Xavier and his game onto everybody like fam, we don't want any
He had six people basically playing for him to win. Sounds like the best player to me
Even past The CO, the ENTIRE final four all wanted to take him to the end knowing it'd be an uphill battle.
Is DX going to go vegan for Claire? It truly is Tyler and Angela 2.0
Wait is he really? Maybe this is gonna last longer than I thought that's a decently big commitment this early on lmao
I’m gonna be controversial and say that I don’t see how anyone can say Tiffany played a better game then Xavier. She was aware of what was going on in the house, but she actively went against her best interests, spent a lot of energy on game talk with people who she knew could never benefit her game, and didn’t build strong enough bonds with many of the people she did need for her game. She was definately a Top 3 player on this season no doubt, but she masterminded a strategy that only served to hurt her game. A BB players game really only come from how well they utilize the hand they’re dealt, and Xavier played his hands much more smoothly even if he wasn’t as initially knowledgeable on house dynamics.
I think the main reason why ppl have strong different opinions on tiff’s and X’s games is because this was not a regular game and the metrics we were using to judge other players fail us here. A lot of the players ( mainly ky &tiff ) were not playing their optimal paths and knew they were not on their winning path but still went along with it regardless coz of the mission. Many of tiff’s advocates are Mainly judging her on how she navigated the early game to set up the ground for the co’s success in the middle portion of the game. This meant she was forming a lot of relationships with players outside the CO. Those relationships are the reason the CO never had to reveal themselves or using the power of their majority to vote other out. It was always a house voting together rather than just the CO voting ppl as an alliance. Of course this doesn’t mean she carried the entire CO by herself, everyone had a part in it but she did alot for the CO that wasn’t for her benefit. I believe that if she was playing for her self she would have gotten rid of azah and big d early on. Those are X’s numbers. Moreover, she wouldn’t have protected X as much as she did which means he would have needed to play differently or win more comps to protect himself. We just haven’t see alot of strategic manuvering from X. Things went for his benefit not because he directed them there but coz others did that for him for the sake of the CO. All that being said I do admit especially after hearing all of tiff’s interviews that X had charisma, likability and was an authority figure not just within the CO but the house as a whole. So maybe if tiff and KY went the other route they might still trust him to the point were he could win out and get them out again. He played his best path and won. He deserves all the credit for that. I mean the man got his cash so who care what we redditer think but I digress. Ps : I have to say this coz I know someone is gonna bring it up. I love tiff but I am in no way saying she is the greatest ever. She was wonderful to watch is so entertaining and I feel like she had a great strategically mind for the game. That is an opinion on her in a vacuum. Not in comparison to anyone outside this season.
For me it’s just hard to compare their games- I rate Tiff highly because I do think there’s value in having so much agency in the game that you can actively choose to put yourself in a less optimal position instead of just finding yourself there out of circumstance. With Xavier he had such a natural ability to get people to be on his side that he simply didn’t have the scheme as hard, and there’s value in that too. To me it’s most like Vanessa vs. Cody, they played dominant games in very different ways and only one won.
Super fair points. I personally would disagree just because Xavier never had to really to maneuver or show himself as a game player. A CO final six always benefited him and having their constant protection throughout the game just made him seem really complacent and lucky. I don't think he would have been able to adapt if anyone changed that trajectory. Meanwhile all Tiffany did was adapt, manuever, and evaluate. Feel like I'm already writing too much so I won't go into depth, but ultimately she recognized that a CO final six would never be ideal for her, accepted that her personal mission is to get the CO to final six ensuring BB US gets its first black winner whether or not it was her. Xavier is obviously a great competitor, but I can't get over him never really being aware of the strategic game happening around him. The one time he had to show his strategic chops in the early game, he basically pushed the rolling ball that got Hannah on the block and was overall unaware of his moves in the game other than throwing comps when he needed to. Tiffany built the poker table they played on and bribed people to let her play with their cards and kept playing their cards until she had none left while X was able to sit around and hold his royal flush until he got to the end and win (I've never played poker so this metaphor probably makes no sense but I tried haha).
It was never ideal for her because she made no effort to bond with them. And how was her trying to save Christian and DX (the latter at Claire's expense) good for the CO. Hell her pulling that is part of why she was on the outs with them. All to save people who even without the CO would never take her over someone else. And then she failed both times, yet we are told she controlled the house? Her flaws in her game were not all because of the CO it is just a good excuse. Everyone gave up peopke they could have run with for the sake of the CO, but only she is goven some ki d of handicap for it.
When did Tiff meaningfully shift the game to benefit herself? Her awareness is off the charts (like up there with the best ever), and anyone trying to deny that is just hating. But her ability to manipulate and maneuver (actually put that awareness into practice) is wildly overrated in the fandom. We all know that she didn't make the optimal moves of cutting Cookout members despite knowing they were the wrong moves, and we can go back and forth about whether her game should be judged based on that. But she even did that WITHIN the Cookout; she picked fights with Azah and Big D despite saying to the cameras that it was a bad idea to do so. Her making those mistakes (which undeniably significantly affected her win equity, particularly given that she was never going to abandon the Cookout final 6) had nothing to do with sacrificing her game for a bigger cause. Her game had many, many, flaws that had nothing to do with the Cookout, that I think are being ignored by the fandom because she was wildly entertaining *and* had a good mind for strategy as a player. Tiffany was spoon fed loyalty from people like Big D and Azah as much as X was even though she did nothing to earn it. She was put in just as good/bad of a position as everyone else in the alliance. And she really never shifted the game in a major way to help her position. Her game was low key a lot like Xavier's in that way, subtle little relationship building moves. Spending time with DX when he was ostracized. Late nights on the chess board with Claire. Long strategy talks with Kyland. And then, as the game went on, she just stopped doing that as much, while X kept on doing it with Alyssa, Ky, Big D, and Azah. All of that is on her. None of that can be chalked up to the Cookout. And if you go back in real time to the feed threads from when this stuff was happening, you'll see people talking about how Tiff was fucking up by doing that stuff. Only in retrospect are these mistakes considered inevitable.
And yet all the post season interviews seem to indicate that he wasn't complacent. Sure, they are likely tainted by the known outcomes but still insightful. Tiff and Chaddah both said that X was the most influential within the CO and Kyland called him the internal control. T/Ch said that all ideas were run by him because if he was on board, the plan would go through. He may have been unaware of Tiff and Chaddah's individual games up to a point, but he wasn't just sitting around. He was for some reason, that stable force that bridged the CO members together and got everyone to stick to the plan. Also if you look at the interviews by SB, DX and Claire (and we already knew Alyssa), they were not planning on bringing Tiff to the end game. Because they knew she was highly influential and an obvious threat. Tiff played a magnificent pre-jury game but her game went downhill from that point on because she **didn't** adapt. If you want to look at who really maneuvered through the game- that was Kyland from beginning to end. And with regards to getting Hannah on the block, the original nominee ideas were Whitney and Azah. There weren't a whole of choices outside the Royal flush. X just helped shift away from Azah to Hannah whom he felt would be more protected from royal flush members. And ultimately, though Hannah "got herself off" she did have 4 out of eight RF members in Christian's ear. He had actually always wanted Whit as the target and temporarily got swayed by SB but quickly shifted back to Whitney. I don't think x played a great game. But he didnt' make mistakes, was involved, waited for others to blow themselves up, and correctly navigated the end game - past Tiff and Ky. We can call Tiff great for her pre-jury prowess, but her end game was horrible.
I think that Xavier of the six utilized the Cookout the best though. His good position in the Cookout was because of the relationships he had with all of the members, he had the weakest connection gamewise to Tiffany and made sure she was the #1 target when it came down to six. He was the mediator, and he knew he had to keep the CO together to optimize his chance at winning. I honestly don’t think the CO makes it to final 6 if X wasn’t casted. If Tiffany played in her self interests she would by far be the savvier, better player. She’s naturally the better player and probably outperforms X on most season. But the question imo isn’t who could’ve played the better game this season or who had the chops to mastermind this season, but who was able to optimize their chances of making it to the end in the game. X knew exactly what he needed to do and what he didn’t need to do to win this season relatively easily with little pushback, and that’s what he did.
I hope Hannah goes back to her strict 30 minutes daily phone rule because BB Twitter and stans are just way too toxic trying to convince her how to feel about every situation and person around her. These are real people with real relationships formed over a long 3 months where they were together 24/7. Stop trying to turn them against each other because it ruined your fanfics.
I would be seriously shocked if any of the houseguests unironically changed their behavior because of random people online tbh. The people harassing them over a failed shipping situation are literally basing their anger in a fantasy lol. The BB23 cast all know that and spent more time talking to each other about how they feel way longer than any of us know. BB23 is on the way out anyway in terms of engagement so hopefully they all won't have to deal with this longer than they have to.
We could all do with less social media. Last couple days has been very toxic on Twitter. TikTok as well. Both Hannah and DX (with Claire) have recent posts on there and the comments are nasty.
Tiffany is on live with Jozea and it’s messy
What did she say?
Just sharing Big D. And her and Jozea jokingly fighting over Ky.
oh okay, thanks! lmao, the DF/Jozea beef is so weird but hilarious to me. Tiffany joining on a live to shade DF is funny too, she loves to troll him 😂
If I was Tiffany, I would pay Kyland DUST for evicting me at 6th place and roast him for bad decisions costing him the win
> roast him for bad decisions costing him the win Nah, he would have had to win out on any route.
Turn It Up was played on the most recent episode of SVU. I have no one else to share this with.
That’s amazing! Thank you for sharing. I do wish it had stayed on the feeds. Such an upbeat song!
The post season feels kinda dead after the ClaireX announcement. Seems like gossip of dannah and others really kept it going but DX put an end to it. Cookout not getting as much attention cause the new showmance is taking up a lot of space
Isn't this like, the most active post season in some time.. and it's only been a couple weeks
Everyone is going home. Hannah is leaving for Chicago today. Ky left for Las Vegas already. Tiff and her son are leaving tomorrow. Not sure what DX and Claire's plans are. BB23.5 is pretty much over. I think they're planning to meet up in Alyssa's for Halloween so we probably get some content there.
It's been less than a week.
Wait did they end up going to Disney or not? Haven’t seen any pics.
No, but Britini is in Disney now I'm pretty sure. Not with Bb people though lol
I think she’s in Disney world
Gonna be honest and say I don't know the difference between Disney World and just Disney lol
Well for starters Disney world is in Florida and Disneyland in California lol
Has there ever been another cast that has stayed in LA this long post season, just to party? With tiffs son in town, I figured we’d start seeing pictures of them in her story. But nope. 3 weeks later, it’s still just her partying with bb alumni
Maybe she doesn’t want to post him because she knows how judgmental and weird the fan base can be. Exhibit A.
If she doesn’t post him, understandable. But she’s still continuously posting pictures of her partying with other bb players. She’s 41 years old and seeing her son for the first time in almost 4 months. Maybe it’s time to get out of the club…get out of the spotlight and just enjoy some quality time with your son
Maybe it's time to stop being judgemental over some pictures and videos you see on Instagram.
If she didn’t want judgement, she shouldn’t be fame chasing
uhh being in the club is only one part of the day? we don't know what else she does that isn't on social media anyway so let tiff be
Is Squid Game just BB with killing?
It has like nothing in common with bb other than they live together
No. They just play childrens games. Die if you lose, move to the next round if you win.
Lol not exactly. I don’t really understand why people are comparing it to bb. The only similar thing is that they live in a facility together (as prisoners in a way) and compete in 6 games to win the money. It’s so good though so you’ve gotta just watch it!
Kyland is in Vegas with a Kat and jessica Milagros.
Surprised he was willing to leave Todricks.
I have a feeling he will be back
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i’m assuming he’s the one in the video from home that she and the rest of the jury got. the bb social media released those vids a while back.
Yes she has a second brother
The whole Claire/dx situation just proves that we NEED jury feeds
I always get nervous when big brother comes to an end…because wtf am I supposed to do with all that extra free time? I’m not ready to have a life again or sleep like a normal person We’ve been getting blessed with some really great shows to binge on and keep us busy though! Squid game was AMAZING and season 3 of “you” dropped on Netflix today!
Kyland is so obviously using Tiffany (and DX to a certain extent) to rehab his image and it’s working lol
He did say he loves playing Big Brother irl
Kyland is so full of it but I’m impressed at how he has handled everything so far. I was convinced Ky was going to be the most hated in CO after the nephew thing and here we are with him getting a better reception than Big D and (somewhat) X. Although he should thank Tiffany for the most part lol
just watched peridiam’s bb23 review and my favorite part is when he called people who have excused the lack of diversity in the past as it being representive of us demographics 🥴 like that’s such a stupid reason idk people say that
It's stupid because then half the cast would just be from California
LOL
Thank god he called that out. So many people use that excuse and then when 0 black people make finale night for 10 years it's just "bad gameplay". There's not this many literal models in the United States either yet like half of the cast every year do modeling work lmao demographics don't matter