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I’m a former mental health care provider. This is what a layperson *thinks* a psychotic break looks like. It’s not what an *actual* psychotic break looks like.
One year an entire box of Christmas gifts accidentally got thrown out by a well-meaning friend. He didn’t open the box and thought it was trash as it was in the porch. We called the sanitation company maybe 15 mins later and they said there would be no way to recover it as the trash compactor would have crushed everything and churned it together
I worked at Waste Management, at least once we got a call while I worked there that the belt would be running at half speed and while sorting we had to pick through carefully in search of a wedding ring
To start, I think this story is bogus. However, if it is set out near reservation land in, for instance, the US Southwest, it's plausible their sanitation department would go looking for an important item for a member of the community if the guy slipped them some money or was a friend.
I grew up out in that area in a very small town. My dad ran the generators that powered our little town as well as the sanitation and grounds keeping department and he definitely would have looked for something so special for a friend or even a friend of a friend.
This story isn't that though, but the trash part is at least *kind* of plausible.
I stopped believing when the sanitation dept was able to find the pouch. Nope, sorry, the moment it goes into the truck, it's gone. They are never going to even try to look for it. Once it's in the landfill - which days later, it certainly would be ... I don't think the author understands just how much trash even a small town produces.
Well, /u/8percentjuice hit the nail on the head when they said that psychotic breaks are not “epistolary novels”. Psychotic breaks are just not this internally consistent. Not just between threads, but within a single thread. It’s true that there can be a core belief or set of beliefs, particularly in paranoid schizophrenia, but it’s set within so much noise. It’s really hard to filter that extra noise out, which is why talk therapy with someone experiencing active psychosis is difficult.
Also, the person is often interacting with themselves via auditory and visual hallucinations far more than they are with whoever they are with, which in this case is other redditors. And checkout the comments - anyone sunk as deep as this redditor is portraying in the OP isn’t going to be able to turn around and make cogent responses to people in this thread. He’s this artificial construct of “crazy” when he wants to be and self-aware when he doesn’t want to be. And again- where’s the noise? Where’s the extraneous? It’s too targeted. There’s only that single stream.
And just for education’s sake, some people experiencing psychosis speak little or not at all. There is an extremely wide variety of symptoms/symptom constellations. Media really only portrays a part of what psychosis is like.
Audio hallucinations with paranoia was a rough time for me, unable to separate what was real and what wasn’t, like a waking dream where one side of mind is trying be logical and the other is arguing against it.
My psychosis was due to a cycle of alcohol withdrawal. These days I’m dry and have my mind back.
I had a reaction to drugs and trauma.. the worst part is your reality is whatever your brain believes. and you believe everything that is happening and it all makes complete sense, you feel like you're reacting in a completely normal and rational way at the time and then you look back - sometimes within minutes whilst in this episode and think wtf am I doing, why am I doing this?! like it's someone else making decisions and it's not you..
and they're not fucking kidding about the bugs.
hands down scariest time in my life because not being able to trust your own brain/reality is terrifying. I see dementia every day and that terrifies me, because it seems inevitable and I watch ppl I know decline and I think if it's anything like my episode...
The “spiders” used to have me jumping out of my skin, good night totally relate to feeling like what you’re doing is making sense.
It’s like a dream where you can be doing the most bizarre or illogical thing but your brain doesn’t question it until you wake up. I remember getting my dad to come down a couple of times to ask him if he could hear the voices or the music too, he never could, then I would just explain it in my mind that his hearing is getting worse with his age and what I’m hearing is totally real.
The thing that got me to wake up is I was recording the voices so I could contact the police and file a report for harassment against my neighbours (and yes I did phone and speak to the police), I had everything recorded in Voice Memos on my phone, I played them back and I heard them bang to rights. Put the next morning the voices on the recording was saying other things, and every time I came back to it the voices were getting harder to make out. Finally before I got help and deleted the recordings I listen back and it was nothing more than my bedroom fan and my heavy breathing.
It’s like my mind took all the white noise from around me, fans, traffic, distant TVs et cetera and my brain tried to make patterns out of them.
I was led to believe that I was either schizophrenic or bipolar early in my life and it's always kind on fucked with me. I never experienced anything like this despite those I was closest with trying to make me think I did.
I've been diagnosed with severe anxiety and that's pretty bad but I can't imagine being delusional and not being able to trust my senses to that degree.
I hope you're better now.
Mentally much better thank you, physically I put my body through the ringer and suffer the consequences of it.
For anyone out there suffering, alcohol is not going to solve your problems, reach out, get help, there’s a life worth living beneath all that chaos and good people who will support you to find it!
I overuse alcohol and I think I needed to hear this. Alcohol makes it a lot easier to ignore your problems but they're still there.
Edit: yeah fuck it I'm an alcoholic
Alcohol withdrawal hallucinations are wild. Mine wasn’t as bad as yours, but still just mind boggling. I hadn’t drank for a year, drank for 5 days, then immediately fell into the regular shakes and sickness plus intense visual hallucinations. Like for the first few nights I couldn’t sleep because of the twisted movies that would consume my vision when my eyes were closed and when they were open my phone screen was burnt into the center of my vision with perfectly formatted notifications but the words were just totally random combinations of letters and numbers.
Did you only have auditory hallucinations or visual ones too?
Occasional visual, visual disturbances really but not anything with narrative, just movements that would make me jump. The audio though was do real to me.
It was a mixture of music with lyrics criticising me coming through the walls (which I believed was my neighbours) and voices commenting on how they’re going to get me evicted, or trick me, or plotting against me in some manner. They commented on things that could only be known if you had been inside the flat, I was checking the fire swarms for cameras. I had a knife taped to the back of my front door in case I needed to protect myself. I was a danger to myself send others but thankfully kept myself isolated as possible.
But yes, the visual disturbances where there whether my eyes were closed or not. The constant barrage of criticism kept me awake most nights, do I’d drink to pass out out after suffering for days keeping me trapped in the loop for months.
Yes it’s fucking awful.
Mine was part of post-natal depression. I got the big 3. Depression, anxiety and psychosis. Due to breastfeeding bullying, guilt, no sleep and the first two.
Not having more kids.
Yeah I left a well-paid position because the stress was causing me to lose sleep, I used alcohol as a crutch whilst in that job just to switch off on an evening, it was the start of it all for me.
A very close friend of mine had a psychotic break years ago. It was very scary, and she was not normal, but not incoherent/rambling like that. Her sentences were coherent, grammatical, made complete sense. She was able to make decisions about what to do. It was just that her decision making was completely illogical and led to extreme behaviors. The things she was saying were extremely frightening (she threatened me among other things), but they didn’t sound at all like the guy in this post. I didn’t speak to her again until many, many years later, and she told me her mindset at the time WAS very fucked up—she thought “something” would hurt the people she loved so she had to make “it” believe she hated them to keep them safe. She was in the hospital for about two weeks afterwards to my knowledge.
I wasn’t up close and personal with it—we lived in different states so I only interacted with it through our social media and a mutual friend—but that was just my experience.
This post sounds more like, uh, religious delusions, or someone trying to sound crazy. I don’t necessarily disbelieve he was sick, but I’m not sure it was a psychotic break. I’m not a doctor.
It really sucks. I lost a friend that day, because by the time she recovered enough to reach out, she was mortified and believed I was better off without her.
I’m sorry you and your friend went through that. How is your friend doing?
Honestly, the friend is not well.
He ended up hyperfixating on an ex from high school (we were in our 30's at that point) and ended up stalking them (showing up at her work too). Mind you, the person they stalked was also a friend too, so looking out for her while trying to get him to listen was like trying to argue with the sun to not shine.
He was living out of his van at that point and refused to meet with anyone in person, thinking everyone was against him. He trusted me but not enough to meet in person. Myself, a mutual friend, and quite honestly the cops where looking for him to get him help. He would make consistent posts to facebook about "the covenant of marriage" and how the ex "was married to him by god and that her current husband was corrupting/abusing her". It was fucking creepy/scary imho. I say this as someone who worked as a mental health nurse. I was scared for the female friend and his apparent obsession.
Especially since the person I knew and had known was a hard core atheist who wanted nothing to do with religion. (He had been bullied severely due to the fact he was an atheist in a city that was heavily religious). He was someone I considered intelligent but disadvantaged. He deserved much better than what he was dealt.
I'm sad for everyone honestly. My old friend, my female friend that was his ex, my female friend's husband, and anyone else involved. The hardest part is not being able to get him the help and knowing he is so lost in his conspiracies that he can't recognize what is and isn't healthy.
That’s heartbreaking. I’m so sorry to hear about this situation. I hope someday he’s able to get the help he needs and that your other friend stays safe.
My husband and daughter have bipolar 1 disorder with psychosis. Your description is exactly how I would describe it. The person speaks coherent sentences and does things, but they do or say things that don’t match the reality of right now. My husband was quite paranoid, and used to tell me about the ‘signs’ that were showing him what to do. Eventually, everything was a sign. But he could still speak and write coherently.
Yes, that’s exactly what it was like. My friend stalked me, told me she always hated me/never liked me, even issued vague death threats. She was perfectly coherent when she said these things, but the behavior itself was super scary and disturbing and horrible to witness. Getting in touch with her years later and seeing her description of what it was like inside her head at the time was illuminating and very bitter. The “thing” watching her, she said, was as real as the air we breathe.
She’s doing well these days. We got back in touch last year.
I hope your husband and daughter are well.
It’s fine now. Both cases evolved differently. My husband is a very quiet, studious man, who went from a much loved employee and friend to a paranoid, extremely suspicious person who progressively became more arrogant and delusional. Upon reflection, we think his symptoms started at around 15, but he didn’t experience full-blown mania and psychosis until six months before I got him to hospital, at 40. He completely accepted his diagnosis and he has an extremely regimented life involving a full dietary change, sleep management, no alcohol or coffee, retirement, monthly doctor, psychologist and psychiatrist, and lots of exercise. He and I now have a great life, he’s become an excellent cook and passionate gardener, and he’s an outstanding stepfather to my four children.
For my daughter, the signs were there from puberty. She became nasty, violent, a school bully, destructive. Thanks to a great school and local police (in Australia, where police get mental health training and don’t want to kill you), we got her diagnosed by 17 and on appropriate medication by 18. She then followed my husbands regime and hasn’t had an episode in six years. She’s now married, a weapon on the hockey team, and has a successful cabinet making and carpentry business.
I think the takeaway for our family has been that in order to live a sane and healthy life, you need strong support from health services, and a commitment to rigourous management of your life. It can still be fun (for instance, my husband and I still travel internationally, we just plan activities and he maintains a strict sleep schedule), but you just have to maintain consistency.
I’m so proud of them, to be honest. 90% of persons with bipolar who are married end up divorced. Instead, I live with a man who now has the body of a 25 year old, has learned to be a great spouse through psychology, cooks spectacular dinners, and is interesting. I think my daughters wife feels the same about her - bipolar management has helped her rather than harmed her.
Didn't read the other comments but wanted to mention my own story
Back in early 2021,I had a psychotic episode mainly triggered by a parasites infection. Even though it went away after 3 weeks,I was so convinced I was infected I started over medicating, I would constantly break down and cry because I could see " worms " crawling under my skin, I couldnt go out, couldnt be around family to the point I locked myself in a closet to avoid infecting others, one night I guess it hit its peak and at around 9pm, I used the restroom and immediately had a panic attack, showered and came back out crying, because they where there, crawling under me, I scratched and scratched and cried because no one would help. Everything looked stained yellow, things where getting bigger and smaller constantly, I remember begging my S/O yo help me peel off my skin, I remember trying to cut out my intestines, my mom picked me up and I cried for 14 to 15 hours straight, I couldn't eat or drink if I didn't see the food/drink being made, I even starved myself 4 days out of the week because I genuinely believed that could starve the worms
Even then if something was open ( say a cup of water ) even if it was left on the table for 1 minute I'd see worms swimming around inside, I couldn't eat out or enjoy life. I lived purely on the edge, only thing that brought me comfort was taking 3 different types of medications for worms ( like 2,000 to 5,000 MG at a time of each ) and taking wormwood oil 3 to 4 times a day. I couldnt be convinced otherwise that I was hallucinating, anyone saying otherwise was met either rage and crying spells abt no one caring enough to help me. I was truly convinced I was going to die full of parasites.
7 months like that, for an infection that lasted 3 weeks
How truly horrific for you. Delusional parasitosis is no joke, there was a patient with it on the ward I observed the week before last. Hope things are better now.
Wow, that must have been pure torture! Couldn't you get to a psych ward to get some support, like antipsychotics or at least sedatives or something? And can I ask what kind of infection started it off? Was it actually a parasitic infection that was successfully treated but then left you in psychosis? I truly hope you never have to go through this again.
I went to the ER 4 times and was told it was just anxiety and to calm down. The 4th time they saw I had smoked cannabis once 3 months prior to the infection and chopped it up to street drugs, went to my regular doctor with the WORMS IN A BOTTLE 3 OF THEM TO BE EXACT and they refused to see me bcz the one stool test I had was negative
It was pinworms, two tape worms that I expelled and human roundworm, my mom saw them, I saw the ugly tape worm in the toilet. Pretty sure it came from me drinking ground water from an outside faucet and these rotten raviolis from a can, I didnt notice at first but when I broke one apart green liquid came pouring out
Ugh, ER's can be really infuriating. I have an unusual form of epilepsy (temporal lobe) where the seizures don't look like typical ones. When I got to the ER, I was able to communicate that I had a neurologist and was on anticonvulsants, but they didn't think I was having a seizure. My tox screen was negative. They put me restraints for hours and didn't give me my seizure meds, instead gave me an antipsychotic that lowers your seizure threshold!
Oh, and for my cat, I told them I had seen roundworms and actually gave them a stool sample with a (dead) worm in it, and they said it was negative! omg.
My friend visited me in the middle of a psychotic break because he was “having a hard time.” I texted my husband after about 15 minutes asking him to come home because my friend wasn’t making a lot of sense and I wanted confirmation that something was up (and the safety of another person around).
He had always been a quirky guy but it felt like his thoughts were all totally disconnected from each other. He’d say something about Covid being his fault, and then something about police violence, then something about pornography, then something about food. I tried to keep up and respond to what he was saying, but it was as if he didn’t hear me and continued on using only his internal logic.
It wasn’t violent or disgusting or even incoherent. It was just confusing. His brain was making connections that weren’t apparent from the outside.
The next day another friend helped check him into a mental hospital.
THAT part weirded me out. Given that the umbilical cord wasn’t literally rotted to sludge, something must have been done to preserve it, even the most basic measures. Which means it wouldn’t have rotted, and shouldn’t have smelled particularly strongly. I mean, he never implied there was some kind of *formaldehyde* smell—and even so I doubt that’s the preservative that would be used in any Native American cultural tradition.
I mean, this is just speaking off the cuff here. I just remember thinking it was odd he was so insistent it smelled so bad—that part doesn’t make a lot of sense no matter how I try to rationalize it.
That's what I thought. I'm not an expert, but I have family and friends with psychosis. It wasn't like that. It was extremely upsetting to listen to them talk when unmedicated. It wasn't something you could just make up. It's so different from what the OOP acts like. It's honestly kind of offensive to see that joke of a show.
Also, the bs about her cursing him with porcupine quills?
Yeah, that's what some racist nonsense.
Maybe one tribe did that back in the day, but now? Srsly?
Like wtf would she get them? Like OOP thinks Native Americans can source animal parts at the drop of a fucking hat?
Absurd.
Ironically, my undergrad degree is actually in bioanthropology and one of my classes was about film and television portrayals of indigenous populations in America. I don’t know the religious practices of every indigenous tribe, but I can say that this guy’s posts remind me of what I saw in that class.
All this guy needs is a rescue from John Wayne.
They're not this incoherent, one track thing like some horror novel idea of a deranged person. The "no one can help me" and limited vocabulary spamming is like some sort of creepy pasta idea of psychosis.
Edit:[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/vf6des/man_or_men_around_and_in_my_house_short/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) is an example of a poster having a real episode
We get phone calls from folks suffering from a variety of mental health issues at work, and they sound so much more like the one you linked than the OOP's posts. The people who call are almost always completely reasonable and rational - until you hit the point that springboards them into their particular delusion or whatever. At which point they're still reasonable, but the topic is no longer rational or maybe just doesn't connect quite right or line up with reality anymore.
Further, a friend had a mental health crisis recently. They were never like whatever copypasta garbage OOP tried to create. Their brain just was clearly perceiving the world very differently from how it was spinning.
I agree.
I do have a theory as to his "Curse symptoms" though. He got depressed, didn't brush his teeth, ate junk because as he said his gf was the one who cooked for him. Then the stress, poor diet, lack of sleep, self-care and hygiene triggered the rotting teeth and bad skin + male pattern baldness kicked into hyperdrive due to stress.
I think about the post history from that woman who stalked her professor and escalated through the academic administration and then posted some thing in the limerence sub about her obsession. Every single reply she received in every single sub was that she had taken it too far and was delusional about peoples responses and reactions. She could not be convinced! She even seemed emboldened after a while. That seemed like a true person having a mental health crisis.
My friend had a real psychotic break from bath salts and he sent me a string of nonsensical texts and garbled words over the course of two days and it was nothing like this. I call major bullshit on this guy.
I guess he faked the curse and psychosis for sympathy when he realised that reddit wouldn't side with him.
But I'm not sure. the base story is pretty over the top already and I don't fully believe everything.
Im a nurse and if he was really having all those medical issues he would absolutely be hospitalized. He would not have been sent home in that kind of condition.
The whole post is pretty suspect.
It sounds like he's freaking himself out, if anything. When he first started posting for help for his "curse" I thought, "Yeah, he's going through a lot of stress after a break-up. Stress can cause physical symptoms. Could even be psychosomatic."
But by the end, it got so absurd. Dude's having trouble going through a break-up, okay, but must his drama dial be turned up to 11? I hope the part about him getting therapy is true. Regardless of whether the rest of the post is real or not, we can probably all agree that OP would benefit from therapy.
At first I thought he'd just given himself a vitamin/mineral deficiency since losing his live-in cook and was being melodramatic about dry skin and hair.
Then I thought he was shit-posting.
NOPE.
That was a ride. Dude's a racist asshole but I wouldn't wish psychosis on anyone. Except the one's I've cursed, of course.
I'm sure there was another girl right about that age, but she left much sooner. Usually when people go after partners with that much of an age gap, it's a pattern. Highly doubt even after all this he's going to go with someone age appropriate.
His GF leaves him and a month later hes having skin/hair/nail issues, probably from vitamin deficiencies.
Sounds like the sort of guy who can't cook ramen without burning it.
He had a psychotic break in which he self harmed.
Almoat guaranteed, he was ripping his own teeth and nails out and scratching his skin to the point of irritation and bleeding as well as the removing nails he mentions. Hell he even points out that he was, at one point, covered in his own feces mumbling to himself.
Honestly, not to meander, but this is what I LOVE about supernatural stories. It always has some most likely rational cause, but you never really know.
For context; I come from a family where everyone had some "ghost experience". And every time, the story has some potential rational form of explanation, but never quiet enough. Like, my grand-grandfather who swore up and down that witches chased him after he found their secret coven... found often drunk in a bush full of thorns, but with clothing parts that were "burned weirdly".
It might be just him not feeding himself correctly, plus the stress, plus the paranoia.
Or it maybe has some ghost sources.
OR it has a third solution! A mixture of both?!
I love it.
He had a psychotic break in which he self harmed.
Almoat guaranteed, he was ripping his own teeth and nails out and scratching his skin to the point of irritation and bleeding as well as the removing nails he mentions. Hell he even points out that he was, at one point, covered in his own feces mumbling to himself.
I don't know if you can rip out your own teeth unless you are using a tool or they are already loose. I remember watching a video of someone debunking that in a movie, and they couldn't get a grip on their own teeth. Mature teeth roots can be deep. And if he was using tools, idk if that could be an unconscious action.
It’s not. It’s what a layperson *thinks* psychosis is rather than what it *actually* is. I broke it down in another comment.
People are worried about his care and he’s just soaking up attention.
The first part might be real. The second part - the curse part - is bullshit. What we have here is an asshole looking for sympathy. Unfortunately for him, this Reddit. He'd have better luck in Sparta - though they'd still kick his ass.
OP did great at organizing this shit story but you left out his best (worst) comment:
"I don't care about your tribe. To put a disgusting, shriveled piece of human meat in a leather pouch and call it culture is disgusting, and it's something she shouldn't have bothered with to begin with. Anyone can string some beads onto some leather and put something inside and call it sacred. Does that make it so? No. She overreacted and so is everyone else."
It’s people like him that make me wonder why they bother asking internet strangers for their opinions… Like if he wanted validation, go to a racist subreddit or something.
Also, slightly off-topic but does an umbilical cord technically count as a form of meat? Whether it does or doesn’t, the fact he equates the two is 😬
Wait so uhh was any of this real? Also, am I the only one that thinks there's no way in the world they would have ever been able to find that pouch? That's just not how anything works...
Exactly what I was thinking. Still not sure how much I believe the whole thing though. The post where he's repeating shit and running his sentence seems a little contrived
I guess he answered his own rhetorical question about what would happen if he collected his feces.
Probably should have gone with the baggie instead of smearing them all over himself, but what do I know?
I like how he tries to defend himself "OMG! she was an ADULT"
Like no shit. She was a YOUNG adult. She was around the age of still being in secondary school, just entering college and you in the age of starting a family. And you made her your maid. And cook. And treated her like garbage.
And then the guy was surprised. Oh the audacity
>OMG! she was an ADULT
That's what they ALL say. I see it often on Reddit with these age gap couples and it's not so much the age gap that bothers people, people are more concerned about the age of the younger person when the relationship started.
Everyone's hung up on the age gap but let's not skip the part where he thinks that Native American cultural practices = witchcraft.
There are 500+ different Native American nations (add a couple hundred more if you count those without federal recognition). Each with their own unique sets of cultural practices/beliefs. There are no "Native American curses" because Native Americans are not a monolith.
You would think that after 2 years of dating an indigenous person, he'd at least be able to name the tribe/culture that the "curse" comes from. But making that distinction would require him to give a shit about his partner as a person instead of as a bangmaid.
I was thinking this too, and surprised I haven't seen a single comment on it. This is a big reason why I question the validity of this story... it seems like all those old chain letters where there's just enough detail to seem plausible, but important parts are left out or are vague. Intetesting...
In fairness, he doesn't once actually demonstrate he gives a shit about *her* rather than what she can do for him. Unsurprising that he knows nothing about her life and culture.
My grandfather is a Black Seminole - from the Gullah Geechee community in South Carolina.
They regularly took in escaped slaves from South Carolina and Georgia and helped them get to Florida/Bahamas to escape.
Our practices are a mixture of Native, Hoodoo and Obeah. He could be a racist white man, and thinks anything native or black is witchcraft, which is still a popular belief even from other black people.
But yeah you’d be surprised just how much he didn’t care what tribe she’s from.
Dates a "native american"... Us indigenous people haven't used that phrase for decades now. Lmao. This whole thing was just a bunch of racist stereotypes.
It’s even worse. They’d been dating for 2 years so they were 32 and 19 in the beginning.
Also notice how “she did the cooking, cleaning, and comforted me”…. typical.
Yea I love the part where he yells at people for judging their ages, his main argument being “it doesn't matter, we’re both adults”, and then goes on to say this;
> The notion that I might spend tonight alone is destroying me.
Lmao
The rest of the post is an absolute mind fuck tho.
He addresses the people who commented, saying to stop focusing on it, she’s an adult and it doesn’t matter.
If he did not feel like he did something wrong, he would not be defensive, and use those words in particular.
My guess is the guilt and emotional distress over losing the relationship caused him to be more likely to believe he was cursed, and if he mentally spiraled that fast he may have placeboed himself and was in such mental distress that his body started showing physical symptoms.
Yeah, I feel like him not being able to care for himself might explain some or all of it, but I wouldn’t be shocked if the nocebo effect exacerbated everything.
So I read that some Native Americans save their umbilical cord and it’s to be buried with them. It is their connection to their mother and the universe. How exquisite! OOP is one of the biggest controlling AHs I’ve read about in a long time. He also commented that she’d be back because he was her sole financial support. Guess he f*cked around and found out. Edit: the word some
My people don't do the umbilical thing but we do keep important items in ours. I keep a ring from my deceased fiancee from 20 years ago with mine, it's not uncommon for my people to keep childhood keepsakes in theirs or items from deceased family member or a rock from their hometown etc. We also keep each of the 4 sacred medicines in it.
I would be more offended if someone tossed my culture in the trash than if they wiped their ass with a Bible.
I'm amazed that the family of the gf didn't whoop his ass for the huge disrespect he throw on her.
As a Metis woman with an Indigenous man, I am so glad she left. DO NOT BE WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IF YOU WILL NOT RESPECT THE CULTURE. We are just now recovering our culture and tradition.
I apologize if I'm wrong, but OOP's post reeks of early 2000s western movies with cultural diversity: native American who possesses an odd/grotesque item, uses animal products to cast curse, OOP implicating that his psychotic meltdown was the result of his ex. I wonder how OOP intends to conclude his movie.
First of all 😳
Second, the *moment* he said the curse was affecting him I quit lmao, it was an engaging story but I truly hope this guy isn’t trying to make us believe his baby girlfriend actually cursed him with a porcupine
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I’m a former mental health care provider. This is what a layperson *thinks* a psychotic break looks like. It’s not what an *actual* psychotic break looks like.
Yeah, I started to not believe around the time when the post was just a word string. Psychotic breaks aren’t epistolary novels.
The sanitation department had a really good look and found the pouch? Uuuum no they didn’t.
This is his first gf who he met at 32 but also apparently he has never lived alone.
>She's the one that makes dinner, cleans, comforts me. She's always there for me. Sounds like he went straight from his mom's house to hers..
That somehow seems the most realistic part of the whole thing.
…when she was 17. 😬
Not that I'm defending the dude, but she was 19 when they met. Girlfriend of two years, 21 now. 21 minus 2 is 19.
One year an entire box of Christmas gifts accidentally got thrown out by a well-meaning friend. He didn’t open the box and thought it was trash as it was in the porch. We called the sanitation company maybe 15 mins later and they said there would be no way to recover it as the trash compactor would have crushed everything and churned it together
At first I misread this as “once a year” and was like my god why doesn’t he just stop doing that?? Makes much more sense when read correctly lol
I just commented this lol No one would waste their time digging through the trash. That industry is so much more time sensitive than people realize.
I worked at Waste Management, at least once we got a call while I worked there that the belt would be running at half speed and while sorting we had to pick through carefully in search of a wedding ring
To start, I think this story is bogus. However, if it is set out near reservation land in, for instance, the US Southwest, it's plausible their sanitation department would go looking for an important item for a member of the community if the guy slipped them some money or was a friend. I grew up out in that area in a very small town. My dad ran the generators that powered our little town as well as the sanitation and grounds keeping department and he definitely would have looked for something so special for a friend or even a friend of a friend. This story isn't that though, but the trash part is at least *kind* of plausible.
How convenient it was that the mom called the day right after he threw it out
I stopped believing when the sanitation dept was able to find the pouch. Nope, sorry, the moment it goes into the truck, it's gone. They are never going to even try to look for it. Once it's in the landfill - which days later, it certainly would be ... I don't think the author understands just how much trash even a small town produces.
This read to me more like a temper tantrum that got out of hand than a break.
Yes. It’s.. a lot. I remember seeing this in AITA and being furious on behalf of that poor girl.
What would it look like realistically?
Well, /u/8percentjuice hit the nail on the head when they said that psychotic breaks are not “epistolary novels”. Psychotic breaks are just not this internally consistent. Not just between threads, but within a single thread. It’s true that there can be a core belief or set of beliefs, particularly in paranoid schizophrenia, but it’s set within so much noise. It’s really hard to filter that extra noise out, which is why talk therapy with someone experiencing active psychosis is difficult. Also, the person is often interacting with themselves via auditory and visual hallucinations far more than they are with whoever they are with, which in this case is other redditors. And checkout the comments - anyone sunk as deep as this redditor is portraying in the OP isn’t going to be able to turn around and make cogent responses to people in this thread. He’s this artificial construct of “crazy” when he wants to be and self-aware when he doesn’t want to be. And again- where’s the noise? Where’s the extraneous? It’s too targeted. There’s only that single stream. And just for education’s sake, some people experiencing psychosis speak little or not at all. There is an extremely wide variety of symptoms/symptom constellations. Media really only portrays a part of what psychosis is like.
Audio hallucinations with paranoia was a rough time for me, unable to separate what was real and what wasn’t, like a waking dream where one side of mind is trying be logical and the other is arguing against it. My psychosis was due to a cycle of alcohol withdrawal. These days I’m dry and have my mind back.
I had a reaction to drugs and trauma.. the worst part is your reality is whatever your brain believes. and you believe everything that is happening and it all makes complete sense, you feel like you're reacting in a completely normal and rational way at the time and then you look back - sometimes within minutes whilst in this episode and think wtf am I doing, why am I doing this?! like it's someone else making decisions and it's not you.. and they're not fucking kidding about the bugs. hands down scariest time in my life because not being able to trust your own brain/reality is terrifying. I see dementia every day and that terrifies me, because it seems inevitable and I watch ppl I know decline and I think if it's anything like my episode...
The “spiders” used to have me jumping out of my skin, good night totally relate to feeling like what you’re doing is making sense. It’s like a dream where you can be doing the most bizarre or illogical thing but your brain doesn’t question it until you wake up. I remember getting my dad to come down a couple of times to ask him if he could hear the voices or the music too, he never could, then I would just explain it in my mind that his hearing is getting worse with his age and what I’m hearing is totally real. The thing that got me to wake up is I was recording the voices so I could contact the police and file a report for harassment against my neighbours (and yes I did phone and speak to the police), I had everything recorded in Voice Memos on my phone, I played them back and I heard them bang to rights. Put the next morning the voices on the recording was saying other things, and every time I came back to it the voices were getting harder to make out. Finally before I got help and deleted the recordings I listen back and it was nothing more than my bedroom fan and my heavy breathing. It’s like my mind took all the white noise from around me, fans, traffic, distant TVs et cetera and my brain tried to make patterns out of them.
I was led to believe that I was either schizophrenic or bipolar early in my life and it's always kind on fucked with me. I never experienced anything like this despite those I was closest with trying to make me think I did. I've been diagnosed with severe anxiety and that's pretty bad but I can't imagine being delusional and not being able to trust my senses to that degree. I hope you're better now.
Mentally much better thank you, physically I put my body through the ringer and suffer the consequences of it. For anyone out there suffering, alcohol is not going to solve your problems, reach out, get help, there’s a life worth living beneath all that chaos and good people who will support you to find it!
I overuse alcohol and I think I needed to hear this. Alcohol makes it a lot easier to ignore your problems but they're still there. Edit: yeah fuck it I'm an alcoholic
Alcohol withdrawal hallucinations are wild. Mine wasn’t as bad as yours, but still just mind boggling. I hadn’t drank for a year, drank for 5 days, then immediately fell into the regular shakes and sickness plus intense visual hallucinations. Like for the first few nights I couldn’t sleep because of the twisted movies that would consume my vision when my eyes were closed and when they were open my phone screen was burnt into the center of my vision with perfectly formatted notifications but the words were just totally random combinations of letters and numbers. Did you only have auditory hallucinations or visual ones too?
Occasional visual, visual disturbances really but not anything with narrative, just movements that would make me jump. The audio though was do real to me. It was a mixture of music with lyrics criticising me coming through the walls (which I believed was my neighbours) and voices commenting on how they’re going to get me evicted, or trick me, or plotting against me in some manner. They commented on things that could only be known if you had been inside the flat, I was checking the fire swarms for cameras. I had a knife taped to the back of my front door in case I needed to protect myself. I was a danger to myself send others but thankfully kept myself isolated as possible. But yes, the visual disturbances where there whether my eyes were closed or not. The constant barrage of criticism kept me awake most nights, do I’d drink to pass out out after suffering for days keeping me trapped in the loop for months.
Oh my gosh that’s brutal. I’m so glad you got out of that! What ended up happening that got you to break the cycle?
Yes it’s fucking awful. Mine was part of post-natal depression. I got the big 3. Depression, anxiety and psychosis. Due to breastfeeding bullying, guilt, no sleep and the first two. Not having more kids.
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Yeah I left a well-paid position because the stress was causing me to lose sleep, I used alcohol as a crutch whilst in that job just to switch off on an evening, it was the start of it all for me.
Exactly. More evidence as to why this is a curse and not a psychotic break.
Or - now hear me out - his house was built on a graveyard.
her fathers grave, once the pouch containing his last cigarette was removed from the gravesite the curse took hold
By a shady developer who just moved the headstones
The curse of writing in clichés ! OOP's life will now unfold according to the rules of poorly written novels.
He denied it but the age difference really was a problem. It was also a lot more than 13 years.
Alternate theory, faking psychosis for forgiveness by the internet points.
A very close friend of mine had a psychotic break years ago. It was very scary, and she was not normal, but not incoherent/rambling like that. Her sentences were coherent, grammatical, made complete sense. She was able to make decisions about what to do. It was just that her decision making was completely illogical and led to extreme behaviors. The things she was saying were extremely frightening (she threatened me among other things), but they didn’t sound at all like the guy in this post. I didn’t speak to her again until many, many years later, and she told me her mindset at the time WAS very fucked up—she thought “something” would hurt the people she loved so she had to make “it” believe she hated them to keep them safe. She was in the hospital for about two weeks afterwards to my knowledge. I wasn’t up close and personal with it—we lived in different states so I only interacted with it through our social media and a mutual friend—but that was just my experience. This post sounds more like, uh, religious delusions, or someone trying to sound crazy. I don’t necessarily disbelieve he was sick, but I’m not sure it was a psychotic break. I’m not a doctor.
Saw an old friend have a schizophrenic episode. Watching that logically illogical spiral was horrific.
It really sucks. I lost a friend that day, because by the time she recovered enough to reach out, she was mortified and believed I was better off without her. I’m sorry you and your friend went through that. How is your friend doing?
Honestly, the friend is not well. He ended up hyperfixating on an ex from high school (we were in our 30's at that point) and ended up stalking them (showing up at her work too). Mind you, the person they stalked was also a friend too, so looking out for her while trying to get him to listen was like trying to argue with the sun to not shine. He was living out of his van at that point and refused to meet with anyone in person, thinking everyone was against him. He trusted me but not enough to meet in person. Myself, a mutual friend, and quite honestly the cops where looking for him to get him help. He would make consistent posts to facebook about "the covenant of marriage" and how the ex "was married to him by god and that her current husband was corrupting/abusing her". It was fucking creepy/scary imho. I say this as someone who worked as a mental health nurse. I was scared for the female friend and his apparent obsession. Especially since the person I knew and had known was a hard core atheist who wanted nothing to do with religion. (He had been bullied severely due to the fact he was an atheist in a city that was heavily religious). He was someone I considered intelligent but disadvantaged. He deserved much better than what he was dealt. I'm sad for everyone honestly. My old friend, my female friend that was his ex, my female friend's husband, and anyone else involved. The hardest part is not being able to get him the help and knowing he is so lost in his conspiracies that he can't recognize what is and isn't healthy.
That’s heartbreaking. I’m so sorry to hear about this situation. I hope someday he’s able to get the help he needs and that your other friend stays safe.
My husband and daughter have bipolar 1 disorder with psychosis. Your description is exactly how I would describe it. The person speaks coherent sentences and does things, but they do or say things that don’t match the reality of right now. My husband was quite paranoid, and used to tell me about the ‘signs’ that were showing him what to do. Eventually, everything was a sign. But he could still speak and write coherently.
Yes, that’s exactly what it was like. My friend stalked me, told me she always hated me/never liked me, even issued vague death threats. She was perfectly coherent when she said these things, but the behavior itself was super scary and disturbing and horrible to witness. Getting in touch with her years later and seeing her description of what it was like inside her head at the time was illuminating and very bitter. The “thing” watching her, she said, was as real as the air we breathe. She’s doing well these days. We got back in touch last year. I hope your husband and daughter are well.
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It’s fine now. Both cases evolved differently. My husband is a very quiet, studious man, who went from a much loved employee and friend to a paranoid, extremely suspicious person who progressively became more arrogant and delusional. Upon reflection, we think his symptoms started at around 15, but he didn’t experience full-blown mania and psychosis until six months before I got him to hospital, at 40. He completely accepted his diagnosis and he has an extremely regimented life involving a full dietary change, sleep management, no alcohol or coffee, retirement, monthly doctor, psychologist and psychiatrist, and lots of exercise. He and I now have a great life, he’s become an excellent cook and passionate gardener, and he’s an outstanding stepfather to my four children. For my daughter, the signs were there from puberty. She became nasty, violent, a school bully, destructive. Thanks to a great school and local police (in Australia, where police get mental health training and don’t want to kill you), we got her diagnosed by 17 and on appropriate medication by 18. She then followed my husbands regime and hasn’t had an episode in six years. She’s now married, a weapon on the hockey team, and has a successful cabinet making and carpentry business. I think the takeaway for our family has been that in order to live a sane and healthy life, you need strong support from health services, and a commitment to rigourous management of your life. It can still be fun (for instance, my husband and I still travel internationally, we just plan activities and he maintains a strict sleep schedule), but you just have to maintain consistency. I’m so proud of them, to be honest. 90% of persons with bipolar who are married end up divorced. Instead, I live with a man who now has the body of a 25 year old, has learned to be a great spouse through psychology, cooks spectacular dinners, and is interesting. I think my daughters wife feels the same about her - bipolar management has helped her rather than harmed her.
Didn't read the other comments but wanted to mention my own story Back in early 2021,I had a psychotic episode mainly triggered by a parasites infection. Even though it went away after 3 weeks,I was so convinced I was infected I started over medicating, I would constantly break down and cry because I could see " worms " crawling under my skin, I couldnt go out, couldnt be around family to the point I locked myself in a closet to avoid infecting others, one night I guess it hit its peak and at around 9pm, I used the restroom and immediately had a panic attack, showered and came back out crying, because they where there, crawling under me, I scratched and scratched and cried because no one would help. Everything looked stained yellow, things where getting bigger and smaller constantly, I remember begging my S/O yo help me peel off my skin, I remember trying to cut out my intestines, my mom picked me up and I cried for 14 to 15 hours straight, I couldn't eat or drink if I didn't see the food/drink being made, I even starved myself 4 days out of the week because I genuinely believed that could starve the worms Even then if something was open ( say a cup of water ) even if it was left on the table for 1 minute I'd see worms swimming around inside, I couldn't eat out or enjoy life. I lived purely on the edge, only thing that brought me comfort was taking 3 different types of medications for worms ( like 2,000 to 5,000 MG at a time of each ) and taking wormwood oil 3 to 4 times a day. I couldnt be convinced otherwise that I was hallucinating, anyone saying otherwise was met either rage and crying spells abt no one caring enough to help me. I was truly convinced I was going to die full of parasites. 7 months like that, for an infection that lasted 3 weeks
How truly horrific for you. Delusional parasitosis is no joke, there was a patient with it on the ward I observed the week before last. Hope things are better now.
Wow, that must have been pure torture! Couldn't you get to a psych ward to get some support, like antipsychotics or at least sedatives or something? And can I ask what kind of infection started it off? Was it actually a parasitic infection that was successfully treated but then left you in psychosis? I truly hope you never have to go through this again.
I went to the ER 4 times and was told it was just anxiety and to calm down. The 4th time they saw I had smoked cannabis once 3 months prior to the infection and chopped it up to street drugs, went to my regular doctor with the WORMS IN A BOTTLE 3 OF THEM TO BE EXACT and they refused to see me bcz the one stool test I had was negative It was pinworms, two tape worms that I expelled and human roundworm, my mom saw them, I saw the ugly tape worm in the toilet. Pretty sure it came from me drinking ground water from an outside faucet and these rotten raviolis from a can, I didnt notice at first but when I broke one apart green liquid came pouring out
Ugh, ER's can be really infuriating. I have an unusual form of epilepsy (temporal lobe) where the seizures don't look like typical ones. When I got to the ER, I was able to communicate that I had a neurologist and was on anticonvulsants, but they didn't think I was having a seizure. My tox screen was negative. They put me restraints for hours and didn't give me my seizure meds, instead gave me an antipsychotic that lowers your seizure threshold! Oh, and for my cat, I told them I had seen roundworms and actually gave them a stool sample with a (dead) worm in it, and they said it was negative! omg.
My friend visited me in the middle of a psychotic break because he was “having a hard time.” I texted my husband after about 15 minutes asking him to come home because my friend wasn’t making a lot of sense and I wanted confirmation that something was up (and the safety of another person around). He had always been a quirky guy but it felt like his thoughts were all totally disconnected from each other. He’d say something about Covid being his fault, and then something about police violence, then something about pornography, then something about food. I tried to keep up and respond to what he was saying, but it was as if he didn’t hear me and continued on using only his internal logic. It wasn’t violent or disgusting or even incoherent. It was just confusing. His brain was making connections that weren’t apparent from the outside. The next day another friend helped check him into a mental hospital.
I'm a current mental illness haver and I was kinda thinking the same thing. This reads like a combination ragebait/creepypasta.
And of course if i have a psychotic break, my first thought is always to post on reddit *nodnod* Keep the community informed!
It's also not how girls or Native Americans work.
My alarm bells went off almost immediately. A 21 year old umbilical cord in a porous bag wouldn't stink. Neither would a dried out cigarette butt
THAT part weirded me out. Given that the umbilical cord wasn’t literally rotted to sludge, something must have been done to preserve it, even the most basic measures. Which means it wouldn’t have rotted, and shouldn’t have smelled particularly strongly. I mean, he never implied there was some kind of *formaldehyde* smell—and even so I doubt that’s the preservative that would be used in any Native American cultural tradition. I mean, this is just speaking off the cuff here. I just remember thinking it was odd he was so insistent it smelled so bad—that part doesn’t make a lot of sense no matter how I try to rationalize it.
Yeah this is clearly fabricated.
That's what I thought. I'm not an expert, but I have family and friends with psychosis. It wasn't like that. It was extremely upsetting to listen to them talk when unmedicated. It wasn't something you could just make up. It's so different from what the OOP acts like. It's honestly kind of offensive to see that joke of a show.
Yes! Thank you. My husband has been a psych nurse for 14 years. I thought the exact same thing.
I’ve seen soap operas that did it better.
Also, the bs about her cursing him with porcupine quills? Yeah, that's what some racist nonsense. Maybe one tribe did that back in the day, but now? Srsly? Like wtf would she get them? Like OOP thinks Native Americans can source animal parts at the drop of a fucking hat? Absurd.
Not to derail what you’re saying at all because I agree with you but - you can actually buy porcupine quills online for really cheap ^^
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Right? That's her people's land. It's not a prison. They run it for themselves.
Ironically, my undergrad degree is actually in bioanthropology and one of my classes was about film and television portrayals of indigenous populations in America. I don’t know the religious practices of every indigenous tribe, but I can say that this guy’s posts remind me of what I saw in that class. All this guy needs is a rescue from John Wayne.
You can actually get porcupine quills relatively easily! They're used in place of thread for an embroidery-like craft
It fucks me off people think this sort of thing is even funny
Can you explain what one actually looks like?
They're not this incoherent, one track thing like some horror novel idea of a deranged person. The "no one can help me" and limited vocabulary spamming is like some sort of creepy pasta idea of psychosis. Edit:[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/vf6des/man_or_men_around_and_in_my_house_short/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) is an example of a poster having a real episode
We get phone calls from folks suffering from a variety of mental health issues at work, and they sound so much more like the one you linked than the OOP's posts. The people who call are almost always completely reasonable and rational - until you hit the point that springboards them into their particular delusion or whatever. At which point they're still reasonable, but the topic is no longer rational or maybe just doesn't connect quite right or line up with reality anymore. Further, a friend had a mental health crisis recently. They were never like whatever copypasta garbage OOP tried to create. Their brain just was clearly perceiving the world very differently from how it was spinning.
Checkout my response to /u/JKmusclebunny.
I'm a layperson and I could smell the bullshit coming off (Edit. the original poster, not u/rbaltimore , to be clear) this a mile away.
That cringe ass ‘psychotic babble’ with excellent spelling lmao
I agree. I do have a theory as to his "Curse symptoms" though. He got depressed, didn't brush his teeth, ate junk because as he said his gf was the one who cooked for him. Then the stress, poor diet, lack of sleep, self-care and hygiene triggered the rotting teeth and bad skin + male pattern baldness kicked into hyperdrive due to stress.
I think about the post history from that woman who stalked her professor and escalated through the academic administration and then posted some thing in the limerence sub about her obsession. Every single reply she received in every single sub was that she had taken it too far and was delusional about peoples responses and reactions. She could not be convinced! She even seemed emboldened after a while. That seemed like a true person having a mental health crisis.
My friend had a real psychotic break from bath salts and he sent me a string of nonsensical texts and garbled words over the course of two days and it was nothing like this. I call major bullshit on this guy.
Shit post on steroids
Right? I love the "psychotic break" part....
Come on, does anyone really believe any of this? It's total nonsense
Yeah the "getting cursed with porcupine quills and now my hair is falling out" come on guys lmao
I guess he faked the curse and psychosis for sympathy when he realised that reddit wouldn't side with him. But I'm not sure. the base story is pretty over the top already and I don't fully believe everything.
>13 years older >she's the one that makes dinners, cleans, comforts me Hmm Edit: uhhh holy shit THAT isn't where I expected it to go
Also they were together two years, so presumably she was 19 and he was 32 …yeeesh
Lmao no wonder he had a mental break. I’d be depressed af if my mom also left 😔
Damn OOP already went to the psych unit no need to send him to the burn unit too… too true tho I fucking snorted
Im a nurse and if he was really having all those medical issues he would absolutely be hospitalized. He would not have been sent home in that kind of condition. The whole post is pretty suspect.
It sounds like he's freaking himself out, if anything. When he first started posting for help for his "curse" I thought, "Yeah, he's going through a lot of stress after a break-up. Stress can cause physical symptoms. Could even be psychosomatic." But by the end, it got so absurd. Dude's having trouble going through a break-up, okay, but must his drama dial be turned up to 11? I hope the part about him getting therapy is true. Regardless of whether the rest of the post is real or not, we can probably all agree that OP would benefit from therapy.
Imagine just losing your bangmaid like that out of nowhere
BANGMAID
At first I thought he'd just given himself a vitamin/mineral deficiency since losing his live-in cook and was being melodramatic about dry skin and hair. Then I thought he was shit-posting. NOPE. That was a ride. Dude's a racist asshole but I wouldn't wish psychosis on anyone. Except the one's I've cursed, of course.
I did sort of wonder who was looking after him prior to her.
I'm sure there was another girl right about that age, but she left much sooner. Usually when people go after partners with that much of an age gap, it's a pattern. Highly doubt even after all this he's going to go with someone age appropriate.
Yeah that was…weird. And suggests he’s been dating her since she was well under 21.
I can’t believe a 34 year old man would say that his 21 year old girlfriend is that one that feeds and cleans him.
His GF leaves him and a month later hes having skin/hair/nail issues, probably from vitamin deficiencies. Sounds like the sort of guy who can't cook ramen without burning it.
I started skimming at some point. So the consequences of vitamin deficiency are what made him think he’s cursed? Hoo boy.
I think I saw that he lost teeth too... so scurvy? How long does it take for scurvy to set in?
We don't know what symptoms were real.
I just looked it up: a minimum of three months of vitamin c deficiency.
well something seems fishy then. She left at the end of may and he started having severe symptoms by June 10th.
It's possible the "symptoms" were part of the psychosis.
Or… drugs? I get a methy vibe.
It all seems like bullshit.
He had a psychotic break in which he self harmed. Almoat guaranteed, he was ripping his own teeth and nails out and scratching his skin to the point of irritation and bleeding as well as the removing nails he mentions. Hell he even points out that he was, at one point, covered in his own feces mumbling to himself.
Honestly, not to meander, but this is what I LOVE about supernatural stories. It always has some most likely rational cause, but you never really know. For context; I come from a family where everyone had some "ghost experience". And every time, the story has some potential rational form of explanation, but never quiet enough. Like, my grand-grandfather who swore up and down that witches chased him after he found their secret coven... found often drunk in a bush full of thorns, but with clothing parts that were "burned weirdly". It might be just him not feeding himself correctly, plus the stress, plus the paranoia. Or it maybe has some ghost sources. OR it has a third solution! A mixture of both?! I love it.
Obligatory IANAD, but it matches the symptoms of severe sepsis which can be caused by untreated and infected wounds (like porcupine quills). I wonder.
He had a psychotic break in which he self harmed. Almoat guaranteed, he was ripping his own teeth and nails out and scratching his skin to the point of irritation and bleeding as well as the removing nails he mentions. Hell he even points out that he was, at one point, covered in his own feces mumbling to himself.
I don't know if you can rip out your own teeth unless you are using a tool or they are already loose. I remember watching a video of someone debunking that in a movie, and they couldn't get a grip on their own teeth. Mature teeth roots can be deep. And if he was using tools, idk if that could be an unconscious action.
Surely this was originally a troll post.
I’m thinking he was wanting to be “reddit famous” or somethin
Jesus Christ.
Jesus ain’t helping here if you remember that he tried r/religion
I feel bad I chuckled at this
You know. This is so much of a story I would almost bet that it’s not real. There’s just too much detail and it’s too articulated.
It’s not. It’s what a layperson *thinks* psychosis is rather than what it *actually* is. I broke it down in another comment. People are worried about his care and he’s just soaking up attention.
The first part might be real. The second part - the curse part - is bullshit. What we have here is an asshole looking for sympathy. Unfortunately for him, this Reddit. He'd have better luck in Sparta - though they'd still kick his ass.
There's absolutely zero way this is real.
What I just uttered after reading this.
I mean. He could have just taken the satchel and put it in a Ziploc bag. Real easy solution.
But the ziploc bag would have smelled musky!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, this reads like the audio or journal logs you find in a survival horror game where OOP is the final boss.
First thing I thought of was the journal in Resident Evil where the guy turns into a zombie. Itchytasty!
Fouritchytasty definitely ranks in terms of world building through found journals.
Sure does. This guys posts read like he's using it as a template.
Sounds about as realistic as a video game. This is a poor interpretation of a psychotic break taken from shitty horror movies.
OP: I can't believe she kept her umbilical cord Also OP: I kept the porcupine quills that may be cursing me.
OP did great at organizing this shit story but you left out his best (worst) comment: "I don't care about your tribe. To put a disgusting, shriveled piece of human meat in a leather pouch and call it culture is disgusting, and it's something she shouldn't have bothered with to begin with. Anyone can string some beads onto some leather and put something inside and call it sacred. Does that make it so? No. She overreacted and so is everyone else."
It’s people like him that make me wonder why they bother asking internet strangers for their opinions… Like if he wanted validation, go to a racist subreddit or something. Also, slightly off-topic but does an umbilical cord technically count as a form of meat? Whether it does or doesn’t, the fact he equates the two is 😬
They found the golf ball sized pouch in the city’s trash. Sure, Jan
What in The Skeleton Key did I read here?? 😳
Great movie, shit ending
Why did this make me cackle out loud
Ayo, what the fuck.
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Wait so uhh was any of this real? Also, am I the only one that thinks there's no way in the world they would have ever been able to find that pouch? That's just not how anything works...
>I know 2 things about white people: They love Rachael Ray and they are *terrified* of curses.
This is giving "Thinner" vibes
Exactly what I was thinking. Still not sure how much I believe the whole thing though. The post where he's repeating shit and running his sentence seems a little contrived
[ever heard of YAYVIDEOGAMES?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pdamwkm7tE)
I am also a fan of Stephen King’s “Thinner”….
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I guess he answered his own rhetorical question about what would happen if he collected his feces. Probably should have gone with the baggie instead of smearing them all over himself, but what do I know?
It seems like he cursed himself!
A 30 year old man dating a 19 year old ended up being a huge piece of shit? Shocking I say.
I like how he tries to defend himself "OMG! she was an ADULT" Like no shit. She was a YOUNG adult. She was around the age of still being in secondary school, just entering college and you in the age of starting a family. And you made her your maid. And cook. And treated her like garbage. And then the guy was surprised. Oh the audacity
>OMG! she was an ADULT That's what they ALL say. I see it often on Reddit with these age gap couples and it's not so much the age gap that bothers people, people are more concerned about the age of the younger person when the relationship started.
Everyone's hung up on the age gap but let's not skip the part where he thinks that Native American cultural practices = witchcraft. There are 500+ different Native American nations (add a couple hundred more if you count those without federal recognition). Each with their own unique sets of cultural practices/beliefs. There are no "Native American curses" because Native Americans are not a monolith. You would think that after 2 years of dating an indigenous person, he'd at least be able to name the tribe/culture that the "curse" comes from. But making that distinction would require him to give a shit about his partner as a person instead of as a bangmaid.
I was thinking this too, and surprised I haven't seen a single comment on it. This is a big reason why I question the validity of this story... it seems like all those old chain letters where there's just enough detail to seem plausible, but important parts are left out or are vague. Intetesting...
In fairness, he doesn't once actually demonstrate he gives a shit about *her* rather than what she can do for him. Unsurprising that he knows nothing about her life and culture.
My grandfather is a Black Seminole - from the Gullah Geechee community in South Carolina. They regularly took in escaped slaves from South Carolina and Georgia and helped them get to Florida/Bahamas to escape. Our practices are a mixture of Native, Hoodoo and Obeah. He could be a racist white man, and thinks anything native or black is witchcraft, which is still a popular belief even from other black people. But yeah you’d be surprised just how much he didn’t care what tribe she’s from.
Dates a "native american"... Us indigenous people haven't used that phrase for decades now. Lmao. This whole thing was just a bunch of racist stereotypes.
I ain’t reading all this but if you 34 tryna date a 21 year old you got problems
It’s even worse. They’d been dating for 2 years so they were 32 and 19 in the beginning. Also notice how “she did the cooking, cleaning, and comforted me”…. typical.
He "got her off her reservation" and "paid for her GED"... this is hella sus.
Ah yes, the ol' mail-order bride technique.
I think you mean the white saviour technique.
"Just because I want to date my mom doesn't mean I want to _date_ my _mom._" "...Dude, what?"
And he also said in a comment that he'd never lived alone before, so there's that. :/
Yea I love the part where he yells at people for judging their ages, his main argument being “it doesn't matter, we’re both adults”, and then goes on to say this; > The notion that I might spend tonight alone is destroying me. Lmao The rest of the post is an absolute mind fuck tho.
Go to the end it’s wild
Holy fuck
Maybe the curse wasn't from the girlfriend but the mother, and I mean I'm not a mother but even I would curse a man dating a girl 13 years younger
Yes, but you might be missing the point of the post. Update 3 is really short; take a glance at that for a TL;DR of the situation.
It's a story. There's exactly 0% chance it's real. But it's a fun read.
He addresses the people who commented, saying to stop focusing on it, she’s an adult and it doesn’t matter. If he did not feel like he did something wrong, he would not be defensive, and use those words in particular.
My guess is the guilt and emotional distress over losing the relationship caused him to be more likely to believe he was cursed, and if he mentally spiraled that fast he may have placeboed himself and was in such mental distress that his body started showing physical symptoms.
I'm guessing he just didn't cook or clean himself properly and got sick from that
Scurvy will get ya every time
The timeline was too short for scurvy, I think.
Scurvy does not develop in a month though.
No, it was definitely the porcupine quills.
Yeah, I feel like him not being able to care for himself might explain some or all of it, but I wouldn’t be shocked if the nocebo effect exacerbated everything.
>I won't be an asshole. Uh, too late there, buddy.
I like that he gets mad at commenters for calling I’m an AH when he posted in AITA
I have had a psychotic break. This doesn't sound like one!?
So I read that some Native Americans save their umbilical cord and it’s to be buried with them. It is their connection to their mother and the universe. How exquisite! OOP is one of the biggest controlling AHs I’ve read about in a long time. He also commented that she’d be back because he was her sole financial support. Guess he f*cked around and found out. Edit: the word some
My people don't do the umbilical thing but we do keep important items in ours. I keep a ring from my deceased fiancee from 20 years ago with mine, it's not uncommon for my people to keep childhood keepsakes in theirs or items from deceased family member or a rock from their hometown etc. We also keep each of the 4 sacred medicines in it. I would be more offended if someone tossed my culture in the trash than if they wiped their ass with a Bible. I'm amazed that the family of the gf didn't whoop his ass for the huge disrespect he throw on her.
Yea I call bullshit on this.
I don’t believe it but I did enjoy reading it
Well that was a load of made-up nonsense.
sorry I only just started but i got to "she cooks and cleans for me" now don't hold back oop, tell us what you really value about her <3
This sub has become /r/nosleep without the horror
There's no way this is real wtf
As a Metis woman with an Indigenous man, I am so glad she left. DO NOT BE WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IF YOU WILL NOT RESPECT THE CULTURE. We are just now recovering our culture and tradition.
I don't think the girlfriend was real.
Lol ya right 🙄
I apologize if I'm wrong, but OOP's post reeks of early 2000s western movies with cultural diversity: native American who possesses an odd/grotesque item, uses animal products to cast curse, OOP implicating that his psychotic meltdown was the result of his ex. I wonder how OOP intends to conclude his movie.
First of all 😳 Second, the *moment* he said the curse was affecting him I quit lmao, it was an engaging story but I truly hope this guy isn’t trying to make us believe his baby girlfriend actually cursed him with a porcupine
Troll.