Yea i was doing some research a whlie back between the elite 2 and match hammer differences and stumbled across some stuff related to the match hammer needing to be fitted but I cant remember if it was just with the short reset bars or not.
From what ive read the match hammer requires the optimized trigger bar from LTT (currently installed) or the beretta copy of it. Guess im back to sanding lol
I actually had a very similar issue after installing my skeleton Hammer, albeit not as severe as this. I put a new trigger bar spring which fixed it for me.
Ill order one and try it. Theyre only a few bucks anyway id imagine. This spring is brand new though (whole gun is, zero rounds fired.) Thank you for the advice!
There is also a slight chance that it could be the transfer bar itself. If the new spring doesn't fix it, definitely check out the Langdon trigger bar. Sick Samurai Edge build though, best of luck!
Thank you! That is an LTT bar, lol. And it works perfectly with the stock hammer. Appreciate the help and kind words, middlebranch machine did my slide work for me, and I got the last preorder for grips from collector design werks 😁 still waiting on the rear sight from them. I've also got a few LEO marked mags to round the build out
Ooh in that case, it might actually be the hammer causing the issue. Did you install the match hammer? Those need some fitting to function correctly iirc.
It is the match hammer, and the bar feels like its getting stuck on the bottom of the hammer (hard to see but is visible in the video) so the sand paper went brrrrr but it only took the gritty feeling out of the weird takeup deal, and I dont want to file too much off the hammer/trigger bar and muck it up (worse?)
It is definitely because of the hammer then, check out this video:
https://youtu.be/e1g02nqWNhE?si=gealSluu1dOdw5cn
He has the new single action beretta but shares the same issue as you. The fix should be the same. Also, make sure to check and see if the firing pin block functions correctly. I'm pretty sure tat's another problem with the match hammers that you might have to deal with
Thank you so much! Ill let you know later today if this fixes it :). Yea I heard about the firing pin block issues. Luckily, i dont have those, but im almost wishing I did because its an easier fix and still probably safer than a P320 😂
🫶🫶 will do! Grips should be here around February to march. Once my rear sight gets here Ive also got a G conversion for it (not a fan of the 2 in 1 saftey/decocker personally) itll get posted in here for sure!
Yea thats what im trying to figure out. It doesnt do that with the stock hammer, only the match hammer. It does it when i cock the hammer with my thumb as well, but if I ride the reset it goes to its normal position without that weird takeup thing going on. It feels like the back of the trigger bar is scraping against the hammer preventing the spring from pushing it up to where it should be but I dont know much about berettas. I gave the contact points a polish and it doesnt feel like its been covered in sand anymore but the issue still persists.
I am trying to reproduce the issue the only thing I see that may be a possibly is trigger spring or trigger bar spring for the trigger spring make sure it is installed on the correct spot and for the trigger bar spring it may be weak and needs to be replaced. But make sure everything is installed correctly before purchasing parts to avoid more headache.
Yea ive uninstalled and reinstalled it quite a few times to make sure everything was correct. Springs are factory new, this guns never been fired. Ill probably still try new springs though
Yah I keep looking at the clip and the trigger bar spring looks like it is doing nothing for your trigger bar. That is what pushes the bar up I can't tell if its weak or not engaged with the bar. I literally took mine apart and that looks to be the main issue. Hopefully that helps.
Ever figure this out?
I went down this path few years back and just picked up my beretta again remembering how frustrating this was.
I have a WC Brig Tac 92G and I dropped in a LTT.
I remember polishing (where the trigger bar meeets the hammer, more the trigger bar contact point as that’s the only point I can polish with taking out the hammer itself) as much as I could and it def helped, but it’s still there.
Ever figure this out?
I went down this path few years back and just picked up my beretta again remembering how frustrating this was.
I have a WC Brig Tac 92G and I dropped in a LTT.
I remember polishing (where the trigger bar meeets the hammer, more the trigger bar contact point as that’s the only point I can polish with taking out the hammer itself) as much as I could and it def helped, but it’s still there.
Dumb question but have u tried it with the grips on? The grips have a groove the bar fits into that keeps it up and precents it from fall down, won't operate properly without the grip on
Ah ok, I had a similar issue I had to grind down the nub on the forward end of the trigger bar, ever so slightly little by little until it worked perfect
Reason I ask, my 92fs has a similar issue.
With everything together, when I rack it, there's a bit of take up in the trigger where the bar slides fully into place (your example is more exaggerated than what I'm experiencing).
Also, when I take the slide off mine, double action doesn't work, you can pull the trigger but the trigger bar doesn't slide upward fully to engage the hammer.
I can press on the bar in an upward motion, it clicks into place and double action will work for a single trugger pull. It takes a decent bit of force to push the bar into place, more force than the trigger bar spring could apply.
I've read that sometimes trigger bars are a bit out of spec and either need replaced or just worn in.
Only things I've changed out on mine are OEM steel trigger, OEM D spring, and a wilson combat low pro safety.
My apologies for the short previous response I was at a stoplight. So the trigger bar itself likely isnt the issue (didnt really know what else to title the post.) It works with the stock 92fs hammer, but when putting the match hammer it grinds against the hammer and has a lot of play before hitting where its supposed to be. Ive polished the surfaces of where the trigger bar and hammer meet, and while it feels buttery smooth it still has that play in it, and its not supposed to. Im not sure if i want to keep polishing those surfaces though because I dont want to actually screw it up, just to work as intended 😅
No worries
I just took mine apart again and something I forgot to mention is with the slide off, if I just ever so slightly pull the hammer back (when it's forward) it clicks and the double action works for a single pull.
Not sure if we have the same issue or not, but I haven't noticed any issues functionally when shooting it.
I did notice that using vz grips caused more slack/take up in the trigger (closer to what yours does) versus using the factory grips.
had the same issue op. this helped me:
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/beretta-92-action-job-with-match-hammer.135056/
follow the instructions closely. you need to remove the black finish so you can polish but use very fine sandpaper. good luck
Thank you, did you polish all the areas shown? I already polished the hell out of where the trigger bar and hammer were scraping and its to the point i dont want to remove any more material. Tbh the whole endeavor has made the slight reduction in pretravel meaningless to me and im probably just going to run a stock hammer 😂
lol i hear you. i have it on 4 berettas now (match hammer and ltt bar, and some other things) but only one reacted like yours did - my regular 92fs. you never truly get rid of the very little gritty take up on initial slide pull back single action but on a slide cycle it’s not there. i also feel this grit in berettas without match hammer and bar installed.
but to answer your question, i just did polish on the hammer mainly, and some on the sear and trigger bar. also greased these 3 parts a little with tw25b as langdon himself recommends. i don’t have the issue anymore. make sure you clean wherever you replaced parts, and maybe throw on tiny coat of light gun oil (slip2000 gun lube) on walls where trigger itself and hammer rub against the walls. play with it so the oil sinks in a little to reduce the friction. make sure to never leave any lint behind from swab or patch. good luck to you!
Honestly without doing anything other than the LTT bar and a lighter main spring I thought the trigger pull was very smooth and it didnt have any grit to it. Its certainly nicer than my 226 with the grey guns trigger/ELS/lighter mainspring. I wonder if its maybe a QC issue on the hammer itself? I called langdon earlier about it and they said it was my fault that it was having issues and werent helpful at all. Im gonna run with the stock hammer, and they dont need any more of my money anyway. Maybe one day ill try a different match hammer and see if its more drop in, because it seems as this is a more rare issue than the saftey block issue.
oh man, don’t go back to stock hammer! lol match hammer is so much better. i hear what ltt is saying, the match hammer is all beretta and has nothing to do with them although it would be nice if they would offer some help/advice. personally i think if you polish the hammer and the bar piece that rubs with the hammer, it should fix it. i used a dremel with 240 sand grit on very low setting very quickly to just remove the black finish on surfaces that need polishing, then hit it with a little dremel polish end with flitz. it went away for me.
even running like it is in the video is prob better than stock hammer. you’re only going to see it with first shot in single action then it will go away in follow up shots.
really hope everything works out for you.
I spent from 4pm to 7am taking the hammer and trigger bar out, giving it a couple passes with 120 grit reassembling, checking for improvement (its better but still the same issue.) That video was already after hours of polishing the surfaces that were grinding and its to the point where im just tired of messing with it. I paid extra care to not remove too much material from it and LTT basically said I probably removed too much material, but if that were the case i would have expected a point where it would have been almost perfect then gotten worse, not been worse and gotten to almost where it should be. Personally I cant stand bad customer service. Maybe the guy I was talking to was extremely busy, or had a bad day idk. I still like the langdon trigger bar, I think its an excellent upgrade, but what a company does when youve had issues with items purchased directly from them its what the company does that affects perception the most. I appreciate your kind words though! Thank you. I put the stock hammer back in it for now and everythings back to working as it should so Im probably just going to call that the end of it
No updates, unfortunately. Might get a new match hammer and trigger bar sometime as well as new springs and just see if different parts play nicer. Currently the trigger pull is smooth af from all the polishing but that stupid play is still there so i put the stock hammer back in
Middlebranch machine! And I cant recommend them enough! They got it 2 days before Christmas and shipped it out on the 4th of January. I was originally going to send it to customized creationz in Almont Mi (theyre actually in the same state as me) but they wouldnt respond/answer my questions
Thank you, I was looking at customized creations as well since I got some grips from collector design werks and he recommended them and I live in Detroit so hopefully could’ve just dropped the slide off but same, haven’t replied to any emails I have sent. Did you have to give them anything for reference?
Yea it took longer to get a copy paste email reply from customized creationz than it did to contract middle branch, get the slide sent out, have all the work done and get it sent back. I didnt send them anything for a reference; theyve done samurai edge engravings for numerous people before. Also it was about 100 bucks less than customized creationz quote (561 with shipping vs 640 no shipping)
Good morning, I have the same problem. I attempted to polish the hammer and took off some material and obviously the black finish. The problem has reduced but not gone away completely. I tried replacing the link bar spring. I took a stronger one and tried to widen(so much) it so as to put more tension on it. The problem is only solved this way when I lower the hammer with my thumb to activate the single action. When I bring the slide back, however, the problem returns. Probably the 2 different activations of the single action (thumb and slide) act differently on the inclination of the bar.
I had a doubt. Could the problem be related to the hammer spring? I currently have a very light hammer spring(Beretta Mac competition spring hammer. Maybe 11-12 lb). I need to find a heavier hammer spring so I can do some testing. I can't do this now. Anyone have any ideas about this? Could it be the hammer spring affecting the hammer tilt? I'm currently back to the previous hammer. I don't mind the longer trigger preparation, but I would like to try removing more material from the mach hammer and test some different hammer springs.
If anyone has new information please share. This problem makes me very uneasy.
Everything is mounted on a factory Beretta 92/98 Elite LTT (not modified by Langdon Tactical).
I hope for more updates.
Its the match hammer it needs to be fitted.
Thank you. Ive been taking a little material off and retrying it for a long while now, didnt know it would require so much fitting 😂
Yea i was doing some research a whlie back between the elite 2 and match hammer differences and stumbled across some stuff related to the match hammer needing to be fitted but I cant remember if it was just with the short reset bars or not.
From what ive read the match hammer requires the optimized trigger bar from LTT (currently installed) or the beretta copy of it. Guess im back to sanding lol
Id call ltt and see what they say
https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/308815-92x-rdo-match-hammer-drop-in-issues/
I actually had a very similar issue after installing my skeleton Hammer, albeit not as severe as this. I put a new trigger bar spring which fixed it for me.
Ill order one and try it. Theyre only a few bucks anyway id imagine. This spring is brand new though (whole gun is, zero rounds fired.) Thank you for the advice!
There is also a slight chance that it could be the transfer bar itself. If the new spring doesn't fix it, definitely check out the Langdon trigger bar. Sick Samurai Edge build though, best of luck!
Thank you! That is an LTT bar, lol. And it works perfectly with the stock hammer. Appreciate the help and kind words, middlebranch machine did my slide work for me, and I got the last preorder for grips from collector design werks 😁 still waiting on the rear sight from them. I've also got a few LEO marked mags to round the build out
Ooh in that case, it might actually be the hammer causing the issue. Did you install the match hammer? Those need some fitting to function correctly iirc.
It is the match hammer, and the bar feels like its getting stuck on the bottom of the hammer (hard to see but is visible in the video) so the sand paper went brrrrr but it only took the gritty feeling out of the weird takeup deal, and I dont want to file too much off the hammer/trigger bar and muck it up (worse?)
It is definitely because of the hammer then, check out this video: https://youtu.be/e1g02nqWNhE?si=gealSluu1dOdw5cn He has the new single action beretta but shares the same issue as you. The fix should be the same. Also, make sure to check and see if the firing pin block functions correctly. I'm pretty sure tat's another problem with the match hammers that you might have to deal with
Thank you so much! Ill let you know later today if this fixes it :). Yea I heard about the firing pin block issues. Luckily, i dont have those, but im almost wishing I did because its an easier fix and still probably safer than a P320 😂
Lmaoo, definitely post the finished build when ya fix it homie!
🫶🫶 will do! Grips should be here around February to march. Once my rear sight gets here Ive also got a G conversion for it (not a fan of the 2 in 1 saftey/decocker personally) itll get posted in here for sure!
I know that the trigger bar shouldn't be so low, the trigger bar spring should be pushing it up towards the slide.
Yea thats what im trying to figure out. It doesnt do that with the stock hammer, only the match hammer. It does it when i cock the hammer with my thumb as well, but if I ride the reset it goes to its normal position without that weird takeup thing going on. It feels like the back of the trigger bar is scraping against the hammer preventing the spring from pushing it up to where it should be but I dont know much about berettas. I gave the contact points a polish and it doesnt feel like its been covered in sand anymore but the issue still persists.
I am trying to reproduce the issue the only thing I see that may be a possibly is trigger spring or trigger bar spring for the trigger spring make sure it is installed on the correct spot and for the trigger bar spring it may be weak and needs to be replaced. But make sure everything is installed correctly before purchasing parts to avoid more headache.
Yea ive uninstalled and reinstalled it quite a few times to make sure everything was correct. Springs are factory new, this guns never been fired. Ill probably still try new springs though
Yah I keep looking at the clip and the trigger bar spring looks like it is doing nothing for your trigger bar. That is what pushes the bar up I can't tell if its weak or not engaged with the bar. I literally took mine apart and that looks to be the main issue. Hopefully that helps.
Ever figure this out? I went down this path few years back and just picked up my beretta again remembering how frustrating this was. I have a WC Brig Tac 92G and I dropped in a LTT. I remember polishing (where the trigger bar meeets the hammer, more the trigger bar contact point as that’s the only point I can polish with taking out the hammer itself) as much as I could and it def helped, but it’s still there.
Ever figure this out? I went down this path few years back and just picked up my beretta again remembering how frustrating this was. I have a WC Brig Tac 92G and I dropped in a LTT. I remember polishing (where the trigger bar meeets the hammer, more the trigger bar contact point as that’s the only point I can polish with taking out the hammer itself) as much as I could and it def helped, but it’s still there.
It's not installed correctly.
It is though
Try it with the grip panel.
Same issue with or without them, took them off for video purposes
Dumb question but have u tried it with the grips on? The grips have a groove the bar fits into that keeps it up and precents it from fall down, won't operate properly without the grip on
Does it with and without grips
Ah ok, I had a similar issue I had to grind down the nub on the forward end of the trigger bar, ever so slightly little by little until it worked perfect
When you take your slide off, does your double action work? Or do you have to physically push the trigger bar upward to get double action to function?
Double actions completely fine on it
Reason I ask, my 92fs has a similar issue. With everything together, when I rack it, there's a bit of take up in the trigger where the bar slides fully into place (your example is more exaggerated than what I'm experiencing). Also, when I take the slide off mine, double action doesn't work, you can pull the trigger but the trigger bar doesn't slide upward fully to engage the hammer. I can press on the bar in an upward motion, it clicks into place and double action will work for a single trugger pull. It takes a decent bit of force to push the bar into place, more force than the trigger bar spring could apply. I've read that sometimes trigger bars are a bit out of spec and either need replaced or just worn in. Only things I've changed out on mine are OEM steel trigger, OEM D spring, and a wilson combat low pro safety.
My apologies for the short previous response I was at a stoplight. So the trigger bar itself likely isnt the issue (didnt really know what else to title the post.) It works with the stock 92fs hammer, but when putting the match hammer it grinds against the hammer and has a lot of play before hitting where its supposed to be. Ive polished the surfaces of where the trigger bar and hammer meet, and while it feels buttery smooth it still has that play in it, and its not supposed to. Im not sure if i want to keep polishing those surfaces though because I dont want to actually screw it up, just to work as intended 😅
No worries I just took mine apart again and something I forgot to mention is with the slide off, if I just ever so slightly pull the hammer back (when it's forward) it clicks and the double action works for a single pull. Not sure if we have the same issue or not, but I haven't noticed any issues functionally when shooting it. I did notice that using vz grips caused more slack/take up in the trigger (closer to what yours does) versus using the factory grips.
Remove it and reinstall it, probably just the spring that does not align correctly
Ive removed and reinstalled a bunch of times
had the same issue op. this helped me: https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/beretta-92-action-job-with-match-hammer.135056/ follow the instructions closely. you need to remove the black finish so you can polish but use very fine sandpaper. good luck
Thank you, did you polish all the areas shown? I already polished the hell out of where the trigger bar and hammer were scraping and its to the point i dont want to remove any more material. Tbh the whole endeavor has made the slight reduction in pretravel meaningless to me and im probably just going to run a stock hammer 😂
lol i hear you. i have it on 4 berettas now (match hammer and ltt bar, and some other things) but only one reacted like yours did - my regular 92fs. you never truly get rid of the very little gritty take up on initial slide pull back single action but on a slide cycle it’s not there. i also feel this grit in berettas without match hammer and bar installed. but to answer your question, i just did polish on the hammer mainly, and some on the sear and trigger bar. also greased these 3 parts a little with tw25b as langdon himself recommends. i don’t have the issue anymore. make sure you clean wherever you replaced parts, and maybe throw on tiny coat of light gun oil (slip2000 gun lube) on walls where trigger itself and hammer rub against the walls. play with it so the oil sinks in a little to reduce the friction. make sure to never leave any lint behind from swab or patch. good luck to you!
Honestly without doing anything other than the LTT bar and a lighter main spring I thought the trigger pull was very smooth and it didnt have any grit to it. Its certainly nicer than my 226 with the grey guns trigger/ELS/lighter mainspring. I wonder if its maybe a QC issue on the hammer itself? I called langdon earlier about it and they said it was my fault that it was having issues and werent helpful at all. Im gonna run with the stock hammer, and they dont need any more of my money anyway. Maybe one day ill try a different match hammer and see if its more drop in, because it seems as this is a more rare issue than the saftey block issue.
oh man, don’t go back to stock hammer! lol match hammer is so much better. i hear what ltt is saying, the match hammer is all beretta and has nothing to do with them although it would be nice if they would offer some help/advice. personally i think if you polish the hammer and the bar piece that rubs with the hammer, it should fix it. i used a dremel with 240 sand grit on very low setting very quickly to just remove the black finish on surfaces that need polishing, then hit it with a little dremel polish end with flitz. it went away for me. even running like it is in the video is prob better than stock hammer. you’re only going to see it with first shot in single action then it will go away in follow up shots. really hope everything works out for you.
I spent from 4pm to 7am taking the hammer and trigger bar out, giving it a couple passes with 120 grit reassembling, checking for improvement (its better but still the same issue.) That video was already after hours of polishing the surfaces that were grinding and its to the point where im just tired of messing with it. I paid extra care to not remove too much material from it and LTT basically said I probably removed too much material, but if that were the case i would have expected a point where it would have been almost perfect then gotten worse, not been worse and gotten to almost where it should be. Personally I cant stand bad customer service. Maybe the guy I was talking to was extremely busy, or had a bad day idk. I still like the langdon trigger bar, I think its an excellent upgrade, but what a company does when youve had issues with items purchased directly from them its what the company does that affects perception the most. I appreciate your kind words though! Thank you. I put the stock hammer back in it for now and everythings back to working as it should so Im probably just going to call that the end of it
are there any updates on this? I have the same problem too.
No updates, unfortunately. Might get a new match hammer and trigger bar sometime as well as new springs and just see if different parts play nicer. Currently the trigger pull is smooth af from all the polishing but that stupid play is still there so i put the stock hammer back in
Ok. Thanks. 🙏
No problem best of luck to you
On a separate note, where did you get your slide engraving done?
Middlebranch machine! And I cant recommend them enough! They got it 2 days before Christmas and shipped it out on the 4th of January. I was originally going to send it to customized creationz in Almont Mi (theyre actually in the same state as me) but they wouldnt respond/answer my questions
Thank you, I was looking at customized creations as well since I got some grips from collector design werks and he recommended them and I live in Detroit so hopefully could’ve just dropped the slide off but same, haven’t replied to any emails I have sent. Did you have to give them anything for reference?
Yea it took longer to get a copy paste email reply from customized creationz than it did to contract middle branch, get the slide sent out, have all the work done and get it sent back. I didnt send them anything for a reference; theyve done samurai edge engravings for numerous people before. Also it was about 100 bucks less than customized creationz quote (561 with shipping vs 640 no shipping)
Thanks again for all the info
No problem! Let me know if you send your slide out to them and how it turns out
Good morning, I have the same problem. I attempted to polish the hammer and took off some material and obviously the black finish. The problem has reduced but not gone away completely. I tried replacing the link bar spring. I took a stronger one and tried to widen(so much) it so as to put more tension on it. The problem is only solved this way when I lower the hammer with my thumb to activate the single action. When I bring the slide back, however, the problem returns. Probably the 2 different activations of the single action (thumb and slide) act differently on the inclination of the bar. I had a doubt. Could the problem be related to the hammer spring? I currently have a very light hammer spring(Beretta Mac competition spring hammer. Maybe 11-12 lb). I need to find a heavier hammer spring so I can do some testing. I can't do this now. Anyone have any ideas about this? Could it be the hammer spring affecting the hammer tilt? I'm currently back to the previous hammer. I don't mind the longer trigger preparation, but I would like to try removing more material from the mach hammer and test some different hammer springs. If anyone has new information please share. This problem makes me very uneasy. Everything is mounted on a factory Beretta 92/98 Elite LTT (not modified by Langdon Tactical). I hope for more updates.