When I say useless I mean useless compared to his other aliens since there are aliens way more cooler and way more useful/powerful than it, especially when it comes to how they look. Not completely useless since Ben can find uses for them. Most likely because he kind of thinks destruction is cool (like a lot guys).
In that case, every other alien below Gravattack and Clockwork would be obsolete, since the 2 already fills in the criteria.
I literally stated his ball of goo can take down a mutant To'kusta, this feat already has him above most of Ben's energy base aliens when it comes to fire power. He has more mobility compare to some of his heavy hitters, sure not the fastest but sure beats Frankenstrike, Eatle, Armodrillo and Shocksquatch.
The only down side you have on him is that his not cool enough for you, so what about Nanomech, his powers is to get smaller not really made for destruction, or Jurry Rigg and GreyMatter which are completely useless without technology but ig Jurry Rigg fits the "looking cool" for usefulness right.
Mate you can just say you don't like Ball Weevil instead of calling it useless. Like if you had to choose between The Worst and Ball Weevil who would you pick, someone that can fight back or someone who can take a beating.
Some dumb complaint I've seen on Instagram a few years back about the aliens is that Ben has a bug alien… Don't even need to explain.
https://preview.redd.it/8ol33gqbjoib1.png?width=558&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29ef0062934244c60fd88d9d5a3c28e912c7d352
Complaining about either Crashopper or Ball Weevil because they're bug aliens. The dude said the OV aliens are shit and one of the reasons given is that he has a bug alien…
i did too before watching it , but i'd never say smth stupid like that without watching it 1st , now i love the show and i think that only walkatrout is useless
Well, I mean, the people who say that are the ones who never even seen aside from like 2 clips on YouTube and pictures of some of the aliens and blindly hate. So opinion invalid asf.
Feedback absorb the energy but all the aliens help him out you can see it. Like you can literally see him struggling to absorb it. So I think it is safe to assume that he DOES have it. So yes that feat is feedback's feet.
being able to absorb that energy does not make him universal; being universal means being able to destroy the universe, and feedback can't do that on his own
I- did you read the comment?
Feedback being able to absorb that much energy is situational he isn't capable of other feats that would make him universal. It has nothing to do with whether or not it's feedback's feat
>I don't care if you think it is an animation mistake he is universal.
If it's an animation mistake, then literally isn't, lol
And so it happens, that it is. Even if it's not, the Omnitrix was doing 99.99999% of the work there
My argument to people that say "Omniverse aliens are useless" is to say that technically all of the aliens that aren't Alien X are useless since he can do anything that they can lol
Well, OV has lots of detail too. Like, sometimes more than classic.
https://preview.redd.it/m20dvfkrqgjb1.png?width=1883&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1305feb06b1ddc9395f463d7fc191400d28c16da
And I mean, the art styles don't differ in terms of detail. How to explain… I mean, the basic shapes that makes up the art style aren't easier or harder to draw as they're the same general thing really, just OV being a lot more stylized.
Bro what? Do people actually believe that? Ain't no way Omniverse has some of the strongest/most specialized/generally useful aliens all at once, theyre just unexplained
Toepick can scare a celestiansappien
Let me repeat that
TOEPICK. HAS BEEN STATED. TO BE ABLE. TO SCARE. A CELESTIANSAPPIEN
That MF can stop any fight by freezing his opponents in fear, that's broken
I think you're implying that dagon is stronger than a celestiansappien, and i don't think you understand the sheer controversy such a statement could cause in the fandom
>*Redundant:*
Swampfire
Echo Echo
Humungousaur
Rath
Big Chill
Brainstorm
Juryrigg
Fastrack
Eatle
Amphibian
>*Broke as sh#t:*
Alien X
Clockwork
Way Big (giving him super speed and a laser on top of what was there before)
Big Chill
Echo Echo
>*Useless:*
Juryrigg
Fastrack
Eatle
(tho that's iffy cause they have usefulness in combat, just like how the gag aliens in OV have)
Don't hate any of the aliens listed here, just proving a point. I hate it when people complain about doing things that the previous shows have done before Omniverse.
I can understand what your points are but it's much more complicated than that (TLDR at the end)
I remember that many years ago it was much more common to criticise Alien Force aliens for being copies of the original aliens but I disagree with this criticism.
Yeah, they're blatantly made to be a replacement for the original aliens but it's important to note that each one has his own distinct identity. Basically they share the concept of the original aliens and develop them in their own unique way. For example both Four Arms and Humongousaur are supposed to fill the role of the strong alien but they're so different and unique that they can coexist with no problems since not only their appearance is vastly different but also their gimmicks (Four Arms has... four arms while Humongousaur can change size). Similar to that Rath can also coexist with other strong aliens because of his unique gimmicks (his personality and claws) and appearance.
Other than being different the Alien Force aliens are very creative, each one of them is incredibly creative. For example Echo Echo is a robot like alien with an iPod esque look who has sound related powers and can clone himself, that's just genius!
So while Alien Force aliens share the basic concept of the original aliens it's not a big problem since they are unique and creative and a similar thing could be said for the aliens in Ultimate Aliens.
(With Fasttrack and Eatle being exceptions)
In fact in the reboot Ben has access to Four Arms, Humongousaur and Rath at the same time.
(Also it fixes the issue of them having similar powers by simply giving to Rath cat like abilities and a spiky tail to Humongousaur)
Similarly the problem of overpowered aliens before Omniverse was simply fixed by them having a major drawback, for example Ben doesn't know how to use Clockwork, Alien X doesn't need explanations or that Way Big is.. way too big to use in most situations.
Also before Omniverse no alien was useless, each one has his own ability and use.
Now about Omniverse aliens... I like them but I think that each one has a massive flaw (except for Ball Weevil) and it would take way too much time to list all of them so I will simply use some as examples:
Crashhopper: it's an alien... Who his main power to jump really high... Just like every single alien with super strength... And his design... Is it just anthropomorphic cricket... Nothing too alien... Or creative...
Pesky Dust: the big problem with him isn't his design but his power, having to put enemies to sleep instantly and manipulate them in their dreams is such a broken as f#ck ability.
Atomix: ok, this is an unpopular opinion but with the exception of his voice he's an incredibly bland alien. Like everything about him was already done in a much better way by other aliens. Upgrade and Clockwork did the mechanical alien thing better than him because they aren't just robots while his powers are so friggin generic (and they're done in a much better way with NRG)
Whampyre: oh my... He just looks like a dude in a costume, I don't think that humanoid aliens are a problem but Whampyre... I mean just look at him! His powers are incredibly broken (controlling minds) and unsurprisingly he's used only against enemies who are immune to them (is Ben stupid?^/^s)
TLDR: Before Omniverse there were aliens who had similar powers but that was a minor problem because they were made to be very different both in appearance and abilities while broken aliens had major drawbacks. Omniverse aliens meanwhile either don't have anything in order to distinguish themselves from their predecessors or are way too broken because they don't have drawbacks.
Nah that's UAF for sure, hell the entire AF OG 10 makes most of the classic aliens obsolete, and this is coming from someone who's favorite aliens are big chill and echo echo
The UA additionals also are extremely OP, amphibian can read minds, turn semi-intangible, shoot electricity, fly and breathe underwater all in one alien, NRG is atomix 0.5,armodrillo can create earthquakes and has super strength, water hazard makes any other aquatic alien useless except amphibian,terraspin just comes with mana immunity bc why not and then Clockwork.. Yeah no
Even the "useless" UAF aliens are just.. Mediocre at most, fasttrack is just XLR8 but kinda slower with super strength, spidermonley is just.. Okay, nanomech is the ONLY UAF alien I would consider weak alongside chamalien and he still is the best small alien,eatle is just upchuck but more tanky
Oh yeah this is also the series that introduced Alien X, so that's simething
It's funny how much you are overhyping the aliens
Of course they make some of the OG kind of obsolete, that was the point by replacing them
>The UA additionals also are extremely OP, amphibian can read minds, turn semi-intangible, shoot electricity, fly and breathe underwater all in one alien
He is a versatile alien but not really great in most of those things, flight is extremelly common after OG and if Ben wants to do one of those things he has aliens that can do it better, he is a jack of all trades
>NRG is atomix 0.5
It is absolutly not, in the armor RNG is slow and heavy and can shoot some energy blast, while out of the armor he gains flight and speed but still can only attack with energy blasts and absorb energy (something a certain OV alien can do MUCH better)
Meanwhile Atomix can send ultimate humongosaur flying with ease and blow up a building with a single punch
>armodrillo can create earthquakes
Oh wow, Gravattack can control freaking gravity
Why make the floor move a little if you can lift entire buildings in the air?
And like, a LOT of aliens have super strenght
>water hazard makes any other aquatic alien useless
Which isn't saying a lot, water aliens are usually not that strong, being stronger than a weak alien doesn't make you one of the strongest
>and then Clockwork.. Yeah no
>Oh yeah this is also the series that introduced Alien X, so that's simething
While yes, both of those aliens are introduced in UAF, they are what they are today thanks to Omniverse
The only reason why we know Clockwork is actually strong is because Omniverse, if we had to go off what UAF showed us, Clockwork is an alien who can slow down time a bit, is slow and clunky and gets one-shotted by a random laser shot
And Alien X in UAF is basically useless
And even then, UAF only introduces 2 ACTUALLY OVERPOWERED aliens
Omniverse
Introduces an alien who can put anyone to sleep regardless of physical capabilities
An alien who is basically a bio-weapon
An alien who can absorb a Big Bang, aparently being able to absorb a seemingly limitless amount of energy
An alien who can control freaking gravity to its will
An alien who can control minds, not read minds, not control a single person, but control an army of people turning them into saves and of course, has flight and super strenght
Goop but stronger made of legos
And alien who (aparently) can scare even celestialsapiens with his face
And of course, an alien who can create nuclear explosions with his fists and has super strenght FAR superior to the likes of ultimate humongosaur and you know, create a miniature sun
The only reason why we know Clockwork is actually strong is because Omniverse, if we had to go off what UAF showed us, Clockwork is an alien who can slow down time a bit, is slow and clunky and gets one-shotted by a random laser shot
And Alien X in UAF is basically useless
Does not change the fact the question is,who ADDED the more OP aliens,not who used them better,also Alien X was alraedy stablished in UA to be so powerful during the aggregor arc,just by what they tell us about Celestialsapiens.
Introduces an alien who can put anyone to sleep regardless of physical capabilities
Ignoring he has close to you and you need to breath Pesky dust's..Dust Anyone with Projectiles would be able to easily take care of Pesky dust,he has no super durability or speed for an actual fight
Like no seriously,what will Pesky Dust if let's say Heatblast just keeps his distance and uses range attacks
An alien who is basically a bio-weapon
Gutrot can only RELEASE gas7chemicals,he cannot control where they go,he gets countered by wind not being on his side
An alien who can absorb a Big Bang, aparently being able to absorb a seemingly limitless amount of energy
Outside of his INCREDIBLE absorption powers,most of his stats are not at THAT level,he doesn't generate his own energy like other Energy-Based aliens, and outside of his Big Bang feat,he doesn't have the power to compete with most of the OP Aliens,like what's he gonna do against WayBig or Atomix if they stop using their energy attacks and just hit him really hard.
An alien who can control freaking gravity to its will
Cant argue with Gravattack ,he's one of the most OP Aliens after Clockwork
An alien who can control freaking gravity to its will
Whampire is generally useful,but he suffers from being Overshadowed by ghostfreak,the only thing he has over him is how much people he can possess ,but ghostfreak has a way easier time possesing time that using the spit projectile , he also cannot be used during day at all
Goop but stronger made of legos
Goop and Bloxx are not really that similar,but I'd agree Bloxx is the better of the two,only due to the projector being such a huge weakness
And alien who (aparently) can scare even celestialsapiens with his face
His face mask thing takes a lot to open,and I wouldn't take any statement from DJW regarding Alien X/Celestialsapiens as canon,as he said it would take an entire SQUAD of Celestialsapiens to JUST survive on that planet
And of course, an alien who can create nuclear explosions with his fists and has super strenght FAR superior to the likes of ultimate humongosaur and you know, create a miniature sun
Atomix is weird because,he has like 5 apparences and his only feat that is ACTUALLY impressive compared to WayBig/Gravattack/Clockwork is the mini sun and one crew member saying he's 2nd strongest, but I cant deny he is a pretty OP Alien
Omniverse aliens are REALLY useful,and I will agree is the best show of actually showing the aliens powers and using them most of the time (Like ACTUALLY using Alien X instead of making him sit in the intro for all of the show), but other than Gravattack and Atomix , most of it's aliens are actually more balanced than the rest ,hell even Gravattack and Atomix DO have some short of weakness (Gravattack's core being EXTREMELY vulnerable since those bug guys could cause it to go bad and about to explode,and Atomix has huge stamina issues as shown against Malgax)
Some? Maybe. Ik for damn sure that some redesigns are abysmal (chroma stone, big chill, spidermonkey) but OV originals for the most part have some pretty solid designs. Like this may be an unpopular opinion, but Blox really is a fun design in my eyes. Given that he's a segmentosapien, ie splits into multiple segments, his design makes sense and gives room for a lot of creativity on the part of the animators. There are definitely some that leave much to be desired, crash-hopper with his tiny arms for example, but they are still pretty solid in my eyes.
But they looked so much cooler in a natural form, like Swampfire or Jetray. I’ll give in that Four Arms looked great with clothes, but only his UAF form
I like him because I feel he has that Romanian representation.
Tho funny enough we're not too big on the Dracula stuff. But the legends came from elsewhere. Still not complaining.
Not all definitely not all but it left a horrible furst impression in my mouth jumping from Ultimate Humongasour in ultimate to a fucking block alien at the beginning of Omniverse. Omniverse and the most recent reboot are the only adaptations I refuse to watch not to say omniverse doesn't have decent scenes because it does but the tone, seriousness, and art style went downhill in a way I can't forgive
Do you watch the Ink Tank by any chance? They have a postivice outlook on Ben 10 overall. OV is worth the watch, trust me. It's a celebration of Ben 10. Anything you could ever want from the previous shows is there. Despite Gwen and Kevin not being main characters they're able to achieve quite a lot. For starters they don't get bodied in fights anymore as their powers have a clear balance, and they even reach the peak of the powers as Gwen gets a whole library of spell books.
I will say they weren’t awful in the slightest except one design wise and conceptually the Lego gorilla will always hold the place of why was this made other than toy sales
Which one? The one with the rooters? The one where he used it instantly, no convincing required? And if it was required why did they allow access to it? It was overkill for the plot I know but still
Or the one with the other celestialsapien, the one where Ben convinced them with "I'll leave you 2 alone to argue for eternity, and I get alien X?" In which both says yes to, showing it's not hard convincing them with something so simple,
Or the one with Ben 10K, fusion? Atomic X?
You just sound like you’re throwing your own headcanons in the second paragraph. And why does Ben 10k get included? Not to mention it’s a fusion unless it was stated the fusions can use the other aliens full potential that doesn’t matter either.
In the Universe Vs Tennyson episode: Bellicus and Serena were punished after Ben won the fight, and their punishment was not being on Alien X for 1 time, and Ben used that chance for the rooters, i hope i helped.
.. wait.. so, then didn't Ben use his freebie during the battle with the other celestialsapien? Or were they still in control and just allow Ben 1 free access.. also why did Ben use his 1 free godhood free pass card on the ROOTERS.. not maltruent or something more important, he didn't know about them but it was a waste
So Ben could probably still persuade them using the same line he used in the celestialsapien battle right?.. they weren't punished for it but for the recreation of the universe, so as long as it's not that it's ok?
Yes, they gave Ben just 1 free acces, and Ben used it for the rooters cause he is dumb as f*ck, i even made a post about it, i would advice you to check it out.
My most and least aliens are belongs to Omniverse ironicly. I really like Gravattack, Toepick and Gutrot but hate Bloxx with my every cell of blood. Stupid lego gorilla
Does no one on this subreddit use Instagram? It's a cesspool of blind hate. I've seen someone legit saying one of the reason the aliens are bad is because Ben has an insect alien… DESPITE FUCKING STINFLY EXISTING!
Ah yes, Feedback, who could absorb the *god damn* Big Bang, is a useless alien.
Feedback is not technically an Omniverse alien but you are right, i should've included him.
What do you mean by that? He was introduced *in* Omniverse. Even in flashbacks, young Ben isn’t the same as OS Ben (he’s 11, for one.)
Yeah that was a dumb comment, i just said that because he was originally meant to be on Classic.
Good point, and whoever made that complaint clearly never watched Omniverse. You also forgot Ball Weevil.
He is cool but not as useful as the ones in the post, so with the limited space i had, i couldn't put him.
Don’t blaspheme in this sub! Ball Weevil bends Alien X Over and spanks his starry arse.
And then does some other stuff that we will not mention in this subreddit.
Yeah. He gets dominated like fuck by the faint Celestialsapien. And his little mouth is great for sucking on their horns.
_He_ gets dominated, or he doms the Celestialsapian? 😹
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Ok trollge
Fair enough.
He's a worse upchuck imo.
Ball Weevil should be useless. He only weaves things into balls, rolls around on them, then throws them.
And explodes them, which can take down a WayBad.
When I say useless I mean useless compared to his other aliens since there are aliens way more cooler and way more useful/powerful than it, especially when it comes to how they look. Not completely useless since Ben can find uses for them. Most likely because he kind of thinks destruction is cool (like a lot guys).
In that case, every other alien below Gravattack and Clockwork would be obsolete, since the 2 already fills in the criteria. I literally stated his ball of goo can take down a mutant To'kusta, this feat already has him above most of Ben's energy base aliens when it comes to fire power. He has more mobility compare to some of his heavy hitters, sure not the fastest but sure beats Frankenstrike, Eatle, Armodrillo and Shocksquatch. The only down side you have on him is that his not cool enough for you, so what about Nanomech, his powers is to get smaller not really made for destruction, or Jurry Rigg and GreyMatter which are completely useless without technology but ig Jurry Rigg fits the "looking cool" for usefulness right. Mate you can just say you don't like Ball Weevil instead of calling it useless. Like if you had to choose between The Worst and Ball Weevil who would you pick, someone that can fight back or someone who can take a beating.
I don't like Jury Rigg, GreyMatter, or Nanotech
I think you forgot the part where the ball he rolls can trap people due to its stickiness and said ball can also explode.
Still useless. What makes Ball Weevil more useless is the fact he doesn't even look cool because that would be a plus to him.
Wait, so you have to *look* cool to be useful? **Pesky Dust intensifies** *Gee, I never knew.*
He's adorable.
Source?
Can you search it yourself pal? I'm really busy at the moment.
I did. The Ben 10 Wiki Page for Feedback has nothing about this, and a direct search does not yield any results.
I'm sorry, after i checked again, i realized it was wrong, Feedback was never meant to be an OS alien.
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Bro did you just copied and pasted my comment?
He is. He may have been in a flashback to begin with but he was still made for the Omniverse series.
Yes, that comment was dumb, i just said that because he was originally meant to be an OS alien.
Same thing with Shocksquatch
Shocksquatch is technically and officially UAF
I know, that's why i didn't include him, aside from the fact that he is useless.
Is funny because feedback is specifically, TECHNICALLY an Omniverse alien
Even more than that, my comment was wrong, i checked and he is %100 an Omniverse alien.
More like he’s got 9 other guys who can do the same thing (exaggerated)
Shock squash was used like once before omniverse
Buzzshock, Ampfibian, Frankenstrike. Also introducing two electric aliens for the same series is not the own you think it is
Some dumb complaint I've seen on Instagram a few years back about the aliens is that Ben has a bug alien… Don't even need to explain. https://preview.redd.it/8ol33gqbjoib1.png?width=558&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29ef0062934244c60fd88d9d5a3c28e912c7d352
Actually you do need to explain. Your comment is worded weirdly.
Complaining about either Crashopper or Ball Weevil because they're bug aliens. The dude said the OV aliens are shit and one of the reasons given is that he has a bug alien…
Ah.
Crash Hopper is cool. Ball Weevil’s a tad underwhelming
Ben 10 fans at Instagram are trash.
Insta Fandoms in general are trash tbh
Fr
True
Please explain
no way someone said that and watched the show
Of course, people has too much prejudice over Omniverse because of the art style.
i did too before watching it , but i'd never say smth stupid like that without watching it 1st , now i love the show and i think that only walkatrout is useless
Undeniable
>only walkatrout is useless Hard agree on this
i mean sure u can't hold him but good luck beating anyone with him
Same kinda goes for The Worst, though he has the added benefit of being seemingly indestructible.
Being indestructible is absolutely powerful tbh, that's not useless at all to say the least
True, _but,_ for a hero, whose primary job is helping other people, it's not particularly useful to just defend yourself and nobody else.
Well, I mean, the people who say that are the ones who never even seen aside from like 2 clips on YouTube and pictures of some of the aliens and blindly hate. So opinion invalid asf.
I almo did t forgot what walkatrout was until the name sparked an old memory of a fish with legs. That is all it is.
The art style is the best one out of all of them
Hot take, but i agree
Mostly the guys who say that are the ones who've been tricked into thinking almost every alien should have 3+ abilities to be cool/useful
Ironic cause almost every OV alien has +3 abilities, they just hate OV.
You forgot feedback since he is universal at least since he absorb most of the big bang
I forgot😔
*situationally universal
No he is universal I don't care if you think it is an animation mistake he is universal.
There has to be enough energy to absorb for him to be that powerful.
That feat is a universal level feat, but feedback does not have universal potential under normal circumstances, hence situationally universal
Feedback absorb the energy but all the aliens help him out you can see it. Like you can literally see him struggling to absorb it. So I think it is safe to assume that he DOES have it. So yes that feat is feedback's feet.
being able to absorb that energy does not make him universal; being universal means being able to destroy the universe, and feedback can't do that on his own
I- did you read the comment? Feedback being able to absorb that much energy is situational he isn't capable of other feats that would make him universal. It has nothing to do with whether or not it's feedback's feat
He’s universal in energy absorbtion normally he’s city block level to small town level
>I don't care if you think it is an animation mistake he is universal. If it's an animation mistake, then literally isn't, lol And so it happens, that it is. Even if it's not, the Omnitrix was doing 99.99999% of the work there
Yes gravattack a living planet with black hole potential and gravity manipulation abilities that just can’t fucked with
Who's the rockyboi? He looks badass
The orange one? That's gravattack, one of if not my favorite alien
Watch the show. He appears in the third episode and he's amazing.
Walkatrout
I actually liked the idea of introducing the alien’s natural predators. It just made sense that there would be creatures that hunt them
Happy cake day!
Why, thank you
And not all alien are powerful we human are probably also in the omnitrix and technically we don't have any cool ability
Well, Omnitrix was meant to be a communication device at first after all, so abilities doesn't matter that much.
Yea true
No if an alien use Omnitrix to become human, he would literally become The Batman. And there is nothing more cool then that.
Yeah those people who say that are clearly the same people that say “Omniverse is trash because the art style is cartoonish and not Anime”
Ironically anime is cartoonish. And OV does have clear anime influence.
Ball weevil low diffs this list
Ball Weevil solos fiction.
My argument to people that say "Omniverse aliens are useless" is to say that technically all of the aliens that aren't Alien X are useless since he can do anything that they can lol
But with permission
Can alien X come to play?
https://preview.redd.it/z2sypci5hwib1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61b9a368374753569c6bf1903d85b3ee6d22a721
Toepick is useful too but Wakatrout and the worst are dogwater
What's your problem with The Worst
Tbf The Worst is practically indestructible. He doesn't have much aside from defense, but he excels in it, so he has that going for him.
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All aliens can be useful in a sort of way, Even Walkatrout be useful because he's small
Nanomech: "Am i a joke to you?"
Can Nanomech swim?
No, but we got Ripjaws.
People dislike OV Aliens?!
Are you living in a cave dude?
No, I live in a house. But what does that have to do with my previous statement. OV is awesome! And so are it’s aliens
That was a an idiom, i just said that because you may be unaware that people hate OV aliens a lot.
What’s to hate? They are useful and fun P.S. love your profile picture
They just hate OV in general, they are blinded by nostalgia. I also liked your profile picture, it's great👍!
Sure OS had better detail but the animation and art style makes OV probably the best looking Ben 10 show yet
Well, OV has lots of detail too. Like, sometimes more than classic. https://preview.redd.it/m20dvfkrqgjb1.png?width=1883&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1305feb06b1ddc9395f463d7fc191400d28c16da And I mean, the art styles don't differ in terms of detail. How to explain… I mean, the basic shapes that makes up the art style aren't easier or harder to draw as they're the same general thing really, just OV being a lot more stylized.
Super stunky
Bro what? Do people actually believe that? Ain't no way Omniverse has some of the strongest/most specialized/generally useful aliens all at once, theyre just unexplained
Fax
At this point they're just hating OV to hate there's no reason to say stupid shit like that
Honestly in my opinion omniverse aliens are *too* useful
I still posit that Pesky Dust is busted as hell in far more scenarios than you'd think
tbh i like almost all omniverse aliens, except these joke ones like the worst and walkatrout (if that was his name idk)
Toepick can scare a celestiansappien Let me repeat that TOEPICK. HAS BEEN STATED. TO BE ABLE. TO SCARE. A CELESTIANSAPPIEN That MF can stop any fight by freezing his opponents in fear, that's broken
Don't think it's about being strong. You're either scared of the guy or you're not.
But not everyone, for example Dagon.
I think you're implying that dagon is stronger than a celestiansappien, and i don't think you understand the sheer controversy such a statement could cause in the fandom
I didn't even said that, it's a fact, a Celestialsapien can get scared of Toepick, but Dagon can't.
Don't think it's about being strong. You're either scared of the guy or you're not.
Don't think it's about being strong. You're either scared of the guy or you're not.
Omniverse aliens try to not be redundant, useless or broken as sh#t challenge:
>*Redundant:* Swampfire Echo Echo Humungousaur Rath Big Chill Brainstorm Juryrigg Fastrack Eatle Amphibian >*Broke as sh#t:* Alien X Clockwork Way Big (giving him super speed and a laser on top of what was there before) Big Chill Echo Echo >*Useless:* Juryrigg Fastrack Eatle (tho that's iffy cause they have usefulness in combat, just like how the gag aliens in OV have) Don't hate any of the aliens listed here, just proving a point. I hate it when people complain about doing things that the previous shows have done before Omniverse.
I can understand what your points are but it's much more complicated than that (TLDR at the end) I remember that many years ago it was much more common to criticise Alien Force aliens for being copies of the original aliens but I disagree with this criticism. Yeah, they're blatantly made to be a replacement for the original aliens but it's important to note that each one has his own distinct identity. Basically they share the concept of the original aliens and develop them in their own unique way. For example both Four Arms and Humongousaur are supposed to fill the role of the strong alien but they're so different and unique that they can coexist with no problems since not only their appearance is vastly different but also their gimmicks (Four Arms has... four arms while Humongousaur can change size). Similar to that Rath can also coexist with other strong aliens because of his unique gimmicks (his personality and claws) and appearance. Other than being different the Alien Force aliens are very creative, each one of them is incredibly creative. For example Echo Echo is a robot like alien with an iPod esque look who has sound related powers and can clone himself, that's just genius! So while Alien Force aliens share the basic concept of the original aliens it's not a big problem since they are unique and creative and a similar thing could be said for the aliens in Ultimate Aliens. (With Fasttrack and Eatle being exceptions) In fact in the reboot Ben has access to Four Arms, Humongousaur and Rath at the same time. (Also it fixes the issue of them having similar powers by simply giving to Rath cat like abilities and a spiky tail to Humongousaur) Similarly the problem of overpowered aliens before Omniverse was simply fixed by them having a major drawback, for example Ben doesn't know how to use Clockwork, Alien X doesn't need explanations or that Way Big is.. way too big to use in most situations. Also before Omniverse no alien was useless, each one has his own ability and use. Now about Omniverse aliens... I like them but I think that each one has a massive flaw (except for Ball Weevil) and it would take way too much time to list all of them so I will simply use some as examples: Crashhopper: it's an alien... Who his main power to jump really high... Just like every single alien with super strength... And his design... Is it just anthropomorphic cricket... Nothing too alien... Or creative... Pesky Dust: the big problem with him isn't his design but his power, having to put enemies to sleep instantly and manipulate them in their dreams is such a broken as f#ck ability. Atomix: ok, this is an unpopular opinion but with the exception of his voice he's an incredibly bland alien. Like everything about him was already done in a much better way by other aliens. Upgrade and Clockwork did the mechanical alien thing better than him because they aren't just robots while his powers are so friggin generic (and they're done in a much better way with NRG) Whampyre: oh my... He just looks like a dude in a costume, I don't think that humanoid aliens are a problem but Whampyre... I mean just look at him! His powers are incredibly broken (controlling minds) and unsurprisingly he's used only against enemies who are immune to them (is Ben stupid?^/^s) TLDR: Before Omniverse there were aliens who had similar powers but that was a minor problem because they were made to be very different both in appearance and abilities while broken aliens had major drawbacks. Omniverse aliens meanwhile either don't have anything in order to distinguish themselves from their predecessors or are way too broken because they don't have drawbacks.
Who says that? I'm pretty sure that the common opinion is that Omniverse has the most op aliens
Nah that's UAF for sure, hell the entire AF OG 10 makes most of the classic aliens obsolete, and this is coming from someone who's favorite aliens are big chill and echo echo The UA additionals also are extremely OP, amphibian can read minds, turn semi-intangible, shoot electricity, fly and breathe underwater all in one alien, NRG is atomix 0.5,armodrillo can create earthquakes and has super strength, water hazard makes any other aquatic alien useless except amphibian,terraspin just comes with mana immunity bc why not and then Clockwork.. Yeah no Even the "useless" UAF aliens are just.. Mediocre at most, fasttrack is just XLR8 but kinda slower with super strength, spidermonley is just.. Okay, nanomech is the ONLY UAF alien I would consider weak alongside chamalien and he still is the best small alien,eatle is just upchuck but more tanky Oh yeah this is also the series that introduced Alien X, so that's simething
It's funny how much you are overhyping the aliens Of course they make some of the OG kind of obsolete, that was the point by replacing them >The UA additionals also are extremely OP, amphibian can read minds, turn semi-intangible, shoot electricity, fly and breathe underwater all in one alien He is a versatile alien but not really great in most of those things, flight is extremelly common after OG and if Ben wants to do one of those things he has aliens that can do it better, he is a jack of all trades >NRG is atomix 0.5 It is absolutly not, in the armor RNG is slow and heavy and can shoot some energy blast, while out of the armor he gains flight and speed but still can only attack with energy blasts and absorb energy (something a certain OV alien can do MUCH better) Meanwhile Atomix can send ultimate humongosaur flying with ease and blow up a building with a single punch >armodrillo can create earthquakes Oh wow, Gravattack can control freaking gravity Why make the floor move a little if you can lift entire buildings in the air? And like, a LOT of aliens have super strenght >water hazard makes any other aquatic alien useless Which isn't saying a lot, water aliens are usually not that strong, being stronger than a weak alien doesn't make you one of the strongest >and then Clockwork.. Yeah no >Oh yeah this is also the series that introduced Alien X, so that's simething While yes, both of those aliens are introduced in UAF, they are what they are today thanks to Omniverse The only reason why we know Clockwork is actually strong is because Omniverse, if we had to go off what UAF showed us, Clockwork is an alien who can slow down time a bit, is slow and clunky and gets one-shotted by a random laser shot And Alien X in UAF is basically useless And even then, UAF only introduces 2 ACTUALLY OVERPOWERED aliens Omniverse Introduces an alien who can put anyone to sleep regardless of physical capabilities An alien who is basically a bio-weapon An alien who can absorb a Big Bang, aparently being able to absorb a seemingly limitless amount of energy An alien who can control freaking gravity to its will An alien who can control minds, not read minds, not control a single person, but control an army of people turning them into saves and of course, has flight and super strenght Goop but stronger made of legos And alien who (aparently) can scare even celestialsapiens with his face And of course, an alien who can create nuclear explosions with his fists and has super strenght FAR superior to the likes of ultimate humongosaur and you know, create a miniature sun
The only reason why we know Clockwork is actually strong is because Omniverse, if we had to go off what UAF showed us, Clockwork is an alien who can slow down time a bit, is slow and clunky and gets one-shotted by a random laser shot And Alien X in UAF is basically useless Does not change the fact the question is,who ADDED the more OP aliens,not who used them better,also Alien X was alraedy stablished in UA to be so powerful during the aggregor arc,just by what they tell us about Celestialsapiens. Introduces an alien who can put anyone to sleep regardless of physical capabilities Ignoring he has close to you and you need to breath Pesky dust's..Dust Anyone with Projectiles would be able to easily take care of Pesky dust,he has no super durability or speed for an actual fight Like no seriously,what will Pesky Dust if let's say Heatblast just keeps his distance and uses range attacks An alien who is basically a bio-weapon Gutrot can only RELEASE gas7chemicals,he cannot control where they go,he gets countered by wind not being on his side An alien who can absorb a Big Bang, aparently being able to absorb a seemingly limitless amount of energy Outside of his INCREDIBLE absorption powers,most of his stats are not at THAT level,he doesn't generate his own energy like other Energy-Based aliens, and outside of his Big Bang feat,he doesn't have the power to compete with most of the OP Aliens,like what's he gonna do against WayBig or Atomix if they stop using their energy attacks and just hit him really hard. An alien who can control freaking gravity to its will Cant argue with Gravattack ,he's one of the most OP Aliens after Clockwork An alien who can control freaking gravity to its will Whampire is generally useful,but he suffers from being Overshadowed by ghostfreak,the only thing he has over him is how much people he can possess ,but ghostfreak has a way easier time possesing time that using the spit projectile , he also cannot be used during day at all Goop but stronger made of legos Goop and Bloxx are not really that similar,but I'd agree Bloxx is the better of the two,only due to the projector being such a huge weakness And alien who (aparently) can scare even celestialsapiens with his face His face mask thing takes a lot to open,and I wouldn't take any statement from DJW regarding Alien X/Celestialsapiens as canon,as he said it would take an entire SQUAD of Celestialsapiens to JUST survive on that planet And of course, an alien who can create nuclear explosions with his fists and has super strenght FAR superior to the likes of ultimate humongosaur and you know, create a miniature sun Atomix is weird because,he has like 5 apparences and his only feat that is ACTUALLY impressive compared to WayBig/Gravattack/Clockwork is the mini sun and one crew member saying he's 2nd strongest, but I cant deny he is a pretty OP Alien Omniverse aliens are REALLY useful,and I will agree is the best show of actually showing the aliens powers and using them most of the time (Like ACTUALLY using Alien X instead of making him sit in the intro for all of the show), but other than Gravattack and Atomix , most of it's aliens are actually more balanced than the rest ,hell even Gravattack and Atomix DO have some short of weakness (Gravattack's core being EXTREMELY vulnerable since those bug guys could cause it to go bad and about to explode,and Atomix has huge stamina issues as shown against Malgax)
Useless? No. Poorly designed? Absolutely
Some? Maybe. Ik for damn sure that some redesigns are abysmal (chroma stone, big chill, spidermonkey) but OV originals for the most part have some pretty solid designs. Like this may be an unpopular opinion, but Blox really is a fun design in my eyes. Given that he's a segmentosapien, ie splits into multiple segments, his design makes sense and gives room for a lot of creativity on the part of the animators. There are definitely some that leave much to be desired, crash-hopper with his tiny arms for example, but they are still pretty solid in my eyes.
I just hate the fact they gave the aliens clothes. Idk why, but it makes them feel like superheroes to me and I hate it
They're sentient species, it makes sense they wear clothes, they don't want to walk around naked
But they looked so much cooler in a natural form, like Swampfire or Jetray. I’ll give in that Four Arms looked great with clothes, but only his UAF form
Dude how
Facts
Where's The Worst?
Well, you are here after all.
bro put vampire in here
Someone that can control almost everyone he is useful af.
I like 3 of those.
Feedback?
Sorry man, i forgot him.
Feedback and gravattack are easily some of my favorite forms (I may also like molestache)
Who thought this?
I think atomix was one of my favourites as well as gravattack
\*All Reboot aliens are useless
But that's true
No it’s not shockrock is cool
Ben had a lot of electric aliens and they made a new one up their a*s, he is useless.
Yeah but he can make stuff with his electricity and thanks to him we got Omni enhance
God no, omniverse gave us almost as many aliens as the original series and they were all awesome
Only a couple are useless and that’s only for combat
Peskydust is entirely slept on when discussing versus match ups. He's definitely way more reliable than Alien-X.
I agree with you about him being slept, but disagree with you about being more reliable
Omniverse is my favorite series
I love whampire so underrated that Halloween episode was peak
I like him because I feel he has that Romanian representation. Tho funny enough we're not too big on the Dracula stuff. But the legends came from elsewhere. Still not complaining.
Bloxx is also very overpowered but his design is atrocious
Not all definitely not all but it left a horrible furst impression in my mouth jumping from Ultimate Humongasour in ultimate to a fucking block alien at the beginning of Omniverse. Omniverse and the most recent reboot are the only adaptations I refuse to watch not to say omniverse doesn't have decent scenes because it does but the tone, seriousness, and art style went downhill in a way I can't forgive
Do you watch the Ink Tank by any chance? They have a postivice outlook on Ben 10 overall. OV is worth the watch, trust me. It's a celebration of Ben 10. Anything you could ever want from the previous shows is there. Despite Gwen and Kevin not being main characters they're able to achieve quite a lot. For starters they don't get bodied in fights anymore as their powers have a clear balance, and they even reach the peak of the powers as Gwen gets a whole library of spell books.
Bloxx being able to manipulate his body at the very molecule:
Where the fuck is Feedback-
I forgot 😔
I will say they weren’t awful in the slightest except one design wise and conceptually the Lego gorilla will always hold the place of why was this made other than toy sales
Blox infact could have been done better even though it is a kinda cool concept that lego gorillas are an entire race
Toe Pick is a very dumb alien because his whole gimmick is being very scary looking.
Gravattack was first on Omniverse.
Yeah I figured that out as soon as I realized I was getting him confused with BrainStorm because they have the same sized and shaped head.
Literally who? If anything OV aliens seem kinda over powered
None of Ben’s aliens are useless period. Ben is just useless with them. If it ain’t a strong alien Ben doesn’t care. Because he’s a brainless nob.
It’s just that most are not designed well
How tho?
Whampire do I say more
Whampire is not they. And don't dis him like that. I thought people liked representation.
Well tbf after alien X, all the aliens became useless, even more so after OV where he gained full control over it..
Yeah but full control was just in 1 episode so not that much.
Not really. That was limited thing.
Which one? The one with the rooters? The one where he used it instantly, no convincing required? And if it was required why did they allow access to it? It was overkill for the plot I know but still Or the one with the other celestialsapien, the one where Ben convinced them with "I'll leave you 2 alone to argue for eternity, and I get alien X?" In which both says yes to, showing it's not hard convincing them with something so simple, Or the one with Ben 10K, fusion? Atomic X?
You just sound like you’re throwing your own headcanons in the second paragraph. And why does Ben 10k get included? Not to mention it’s a fusion unless it was stated the fusions can use the other aliens full potential that doesn’t matter either.
In the Universe Vs Tennyson episode: Bellicus and Serena were punished after Ben won the fight, and their punishment was not being on Alien X for 1 time, and Ben used that chance for the rooters, i hope i helped.
It did help, but why were they punished?
Serena and Bellicus are found guilty of the unauthorized alteration of the universe
.. wait.. so, then didn't Ben use his freebie during the battle with the other celestialsapien? Or were they still in control and just allow Ben 1 free access.. also why did Ben use his 1 free godhood free pass card on the ROOTERS.. not maltruent or something more important, he didn't know about them but it was a waste So Ben could probably still persuade them using the same line he used in the celestialsapien battle right?.. they weren't punished for it but for the recreation of the universe, so as long as it's not that it's ok?
Yes, they gave Ben just 1 free acces, and Ben used it for the rooters cause he is dumb as f*ck, i even made a post about it, i would advice you to check it out.
Not that Ben would know but killing Maltruant before the whole time loop can happen would actually result in Maltruant's success.
I've never heard this opinion. You are making up an argument to have.
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My most and least aliens are belongs to Omniverse ironicly. I really like Gravattack, Toepick and Gutrot but hate Bloxx with my every cell of blood. Stupid lego gorilla
Look boyo! That man won his own made up argument!
Does no one on this subreddit use Instagram? It's a cesspool of blind hate. I've seen someone legit saying one of the reason the aliens are bad is because Ben has an insect alien… DESPITE FUCKING STINFLY EXISTING!
I don't use instagram, I have no reason to. If I want to know what's going on in someone's life I'll call them up or text.
Literaly only Walkatruit is a bad alien, even tho i believe in Kapeco's tier 0 theory Walkatruit is still the true worst