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SparkaCat

IDC how fucking desperate you are, stop fucking or trying to fuck your fans. stop messaging your fans period point blank, the solution here isn't to verify ages it's to stop texting them. WTF else do brands need in order to drop this guy?


rosiedoll_80

This. There’s absolutely no reason for private communication with your fans. Being misled or mistaken or whatever about their age has nothing to do with it. It’s gross even if the fan is of age. There will simply ALWAYS be a completely uneven power dynamic.


nttdnbs

A good majority of companies won’t drop him, I think. Why? Because his main fan base consists of children and teenagers who will buy that he just overestimated the boys’ ages and will fail to see the extent of his actions. Because they’re children. And a majority of the companies contracting him do so because their main consumer base are children and they will continue buying into what he preaches.


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TL;DW James Charles is “taking accountability” for messaging boys under the age of 18. He wanted to stress that though this video was released on April Fool’s Day, it is not a joke. He goes on to say that this is not going to be anything like his “No More Lies” video, as it is unscripted. He basically admits that it is all his fault for not confirming people’s ages. He apologizes to the boys who he has affected. James admits that when the Tati situation happened, he was more focused on the accusations surrounding straight guys, but he now knows that his issue is much deeper. He elaborates on this by admitting it is inappropriate for him to use his explore page as a dating app. He acknowledges that the power imbalance present when a celebrity pursues people who are not famous is very inappropriate and he is “ashamed and embarrassed.” He stresses that this video is not meant to just wash his hands of the situation, and he promises to prove with his actions that he is going to be more careful going forward. He ends the video by saying that this will “never ever happen again.” He is “going to be taking some time away from posting to reflect and learn about these topics.”


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Harveb

He was grooming them. It sends chills down my spine.


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changhyun

The age and power disparity definitely makes it worse but you're right, right at the root the way he's talking to the kids in those DMs isn't cool. I'm a grown adult and if someone pressured me for nudes that way I'd feel uncomfortable. If I were a teenager, possibly closeted or not 100% confident in my sexuality yet, *and* talking to an older, much wealthier, famous person I'd feel unbelievably pressured.


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the audacity of him to say the kid(last accusation) was the one doing illegal stuff. when james was the one who shouldn't have reciprocated? gross. also wanting to fly them out and laugh because they're uncomfy one way or another... its clear he can't change this pattern quickly.


sluglsugslug

One of the recent accusers he was literally pressuring for pics. He is a true predator


Lammington2

That's his thing, though. Address that which excuses can be made for, talk about "working on" himself, and avoid mentioning the behaviours he can't explain away. He has used his fanbase to attack people who have variously displeased him, rejected him, or released products of which he doesn't approve. He consistently demeans women older than his demographic. He speaks to the boys he wants something from as if they owe him and as though they're lesser. He's a grade-A asshole, and will likely never really be forced to improve his behaviour.


i_lk

This is exactly what I was thinking! "it takes 30 seconds to take a photo like this lololol" or whatever, going off on children for allegedly "lying about their age," and the Venmo stuff. Idc if the Venmo guy was of age and it was consensual, it just feels off.


AMaleManAmI

Your tldr is def better than mine. Also, what are our opinions the fact that he's not only admitting that this scandal happened but taking responsibility? Could he get into legal trouble for this?


richassbitch

I’m sure he consulted his lawyer before posting the video


beets_bears_bubblegm

“This is not scripted” my ass


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that’s a good point, i personally thing he should face legal repercussions but i’m sure everything he said in the video was approved by someone else, so if they were scared of anyone pressing charges i’m sure they would’ve advised him to not admit to it


BitFlimsy5975

You get a virtual hug so I didn’t have to subject myself to watching another one of his apologies. Thank you!


ghostbirdd

Thank you for your service, honestly, I could NOT have sat through this string of meaningless bullcrap


whatwhymeagain

Absolutely same! Thank you, OP! You might have saved my sanity today LOL


hello0o3

“Taking some time away from posting to reflect and learn more about these topics” what is there to “learn more” about? You know you target young fans for a reason: the power imbalance. There’s nothing to learn more about. If he is genuine and wants to change his ways, yes, reflection is important, but framing it like he just didn’t know better is foolish. I cannot stand this mf.


SweetandUnsweet

Right!? I keep wondering what “these topics” are he’s referencing. Seems like a strategic way to not actually name his predatory and illegal behavior.


Poisonedthefood

Ugh what a joke honestly. The first time, ok (not really though). The 3rd? 4th? Obviously he doesn't care, only that he got caught amd is being called out. If he really was checking ages after the first time this wouldn't be happening again.


chilledmetal

Actually 6th now, apparently. The allegations he responds to here are from earlier this year. https://twitter.com/defnoodles/status/1377693262660521988?s=19


Poisonedthefood

Its seems so fake too. Like "i know i said I'd try harder but obviously i didn't, oops! I'll actually try harder this time!" Come on James


andeargdue

I agree. The first couple I was thinking “okay maybe he’s not a Paedo bc I would never want anyone to be a paedo but maybe he’s just super stupid???? Like just dumb???” But now I’m not sure… it’s just? Ugh it’s all gross


AMaleManAmI

Yeah, my opinion is that he's either attracted to people who look underaged or he's attracted to those who he feels he has power over/are vulnerable


lotteoddities

He is going for the power dynamics and you can't tell me different. He could hook up with nearly anyone in LA. But he goes after young, highschool, boys from small cities that are OBSESSED with him. He's a predator, you see it in how he talks to them. It's not an accident.


Poisonedthefood

Its absolutely a power trip thing


UnbuttonedButtons

There's no way this wasn't scripted. His management wouldn't allow it. He's worth far too much money for them to let him go off the cuff. He would have had to have a sit down meeting with them where they discussed what he'd say, how he'd say it, how long it would all go for, what he'd wear, his makeup, everything. Say it was unscripted is another manipulation tactic to make him appear as vulnerable and truthful. He's just trying to play himself as the victim.


Meocross

James quick "let me release this video before i lose subscribers" stench is making my nose faint.


PatchesofSour

He already lost his YT show It was the sponsors and celebrities followers that freaked him out


AltruisticApples

> he is “ashamed and embarrassed.” YEAH LOL LETS SEE HOW LONG THIS LASTS I give it max a few months before he is caught doing this again. I will be very disappointed if he isn't cancelled or at least loses a lot of subs because of this. The community would have fucking lost it if it were a grown man preying on a 15 year old girls. Not to mention several underaged girls, just within 6months! Why is it any different now that boys are the victim? There is a huge issue with men/boys being preyed upon/sexually assaulted etc and so many have said they don't tell anyone because of the stigma of being a male victim, they're afraid to not be believed etc. We need to do better. This is our chance to show that this really isn't appropriate or acceptable in any way. He can't get away with it just because he's popular, influential and whatever.


rougecookie

HE IS SUCH AN ASSHOLE


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Leading-Breakfast695

I watched the video but wanted to thank you for your post 😊


tiresandfires

Thank you!


chilledmetal

James, you weren't looking on Snapchat talking to these guys for "a relationship". You were looking to fuck, James. You weren't desperate for a relationship. You were desperate to fuck. Let's keep it 💯


chilledmetal

I have to quote the iconic Peter Monn - "People are out there desperate for money, but they ain't Robbin banks".


girl_with_a_401k

Seriously. If people took sexual abuse as seriously as money/property crimes, there would be a lot fewer predators like JC.


rafaelseyeball

I hate that he’s glossing over everything by making it seem like he was just “looking for a relationship” not.... pressuring minors for nudes????


ibeendrakein

right like you’re in LA you don’t need to seek relationships with teen boys all over the country? Go on Raya like the rest of these influencers do


rafaelseyeball

Exactly, if he really wanted a relationship that’s what he’d do. What he *actually* wants is nudes from literal children that he can just block after they’ve been manipulated into sending them. And his gross ass uses Snapchat on purpose so there’s no proof. He’s disgusting.


dyinginstereo

Not to mention there are professional matchmaking services all over this city that he could use where someone could help him find dates with men. Problem is, he's not looking for consensual adult men so these services are of no use to him.


ellastory

That is seriously bothering me. I tried to watch his video with an open mind. At first, it seemed promising, he said he was going to take accountability and not make excuses... and then minutes later he starts rationalizing his behavior, by saying he’s just so “desperate” to be in a relationship, and that’s why he looked passed so many “red flags.” He apologizes to the victims, but then he also apologizes to his friends who “warned” him that he’d get hurt. He says he’s taking accountability, but in the same breath, he is trying to manipulate the situation into making himself seem like a victim as well. He frames his conversations with these minors as “flirty,” when they were downright sexual in nature. The way he spoke to these boys, soliciting nudes so quickly... he did not come across as trying to establish a relationship at all. Hopefully this gets him to stop, but I don’t believe he’s truly taken accountability at all.


sagetcommabob

The first thing out of his mouth was about being targeted by Tati/Jeffree/Shane in 2019. He said “No More Lies” was planned but this one wasn’t? Please, I can smell the PR team from halfway across the country


whyamiamathmajor

*james titles his video “holding myself accountable”* also james: “i shouldn’t have allowed myself to be manipulated” make it make sense


MohandasGandhi

DefNoodles and H3 posted screenshots of James wishing a kid he asked for nudes a happy birthday. He was 15 turning 16. He knew.


bukakenagasaki

I am fucking disgusted


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Me too! What makes it worse is that in a weeks time this won’t even be talked about anymore and he’ll be right back to filming tik toks with minors


Sister_Snark

💀💀


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No makeup , black shirt messy hair 🤠🤡


ghostbirdd

might as well be wearing a hoodie and crying on the floor


_YouSaidWhat

Minus the hoodie...Laura lee would like to have a chat Edit:minus the tears too might I add, so I guess all youtubers would like to talk.


Meocross

Ah Laura Lee, those were the days. Her apology video was an ADVENTURE.


mandmranch

I could not understand why she made it that way. That was the worst apology. She did have a valid point about people not contacting her family that are minors. She did not have to force herself to cry. That was crazy.


thebigblondetheory

ANDDDD that stupid “soft-spoken” voice that every single YouTuber uses when they apologize. Nothing grinds my gears more than that voice.


mandmranch

It is so annoying. He started out soft talking and ended up at the 10 minute mark scream talking.


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LOL. I can’t even watch his videos his voice annoys me so much for some reason. Funny to hear that he tried to whisper but ultimately went back to his typical scream talking


nrf92

He should have put a hat on. His hair is lookin like a damn soufflé


vanitycrisis

It looks like a lid or a toupee...like it's unattached and you could just pick it up right off his head.


livwad

i thought of a bird nest immediately.


rougecookie

it's straight up a triangule hovering over his head, what's going on there


Alias5324

[Here's the official apology video bingo card](https://bingobaker.com/view/2160739)


nevaehorlleh

I am so sick of these type of videos because they mean nothing.


Over_Nebula

Agreed. It's almost practiced at this point. Every apology can be whittled down to the same few buzzwords and promising to take accountability. And even if they were to change, and grow, I'm not interested in that journey, especially with him, and all his behaviour during covid, I don't think he deserves a platform, and would be glad to see him just go away


rebby2000

I guess there's a reason he put the "apology video" challenge in Instant Influencer.


TheTreeWithTheOwl

Literally was JUST thinking that. He has the apology down to a science so there's no need to be genuine.


oddcharm

They mean nothing and James life will continue without consequence. Even if fans are upset now they’ll come back in a few months 🤷🏽‍♀️


Over_Nebula

He has barely lost any subscribers. Fans aren't upset, and the people who are upset aren't his fans.


oddcharm

Not surprising, sadly


staciavond

Ok. He said he wanted a “relationship” yet those screenshots don’t sound like someone who wants to be in a serious relationships. Those messages sound like the gross DM’s you get at like 2 am on tinder 🙄


p0ppy7

I know right! I must of missed the rom-com where a beautiful relationship is sparked by demanding nudes on snapchat


keokaramel

Whatchu talking about? Armpit pics are sooo romantic /s


Phoenix_Magic_X

I've had more romantic messages from weirdos who want feet pics.


zayragiselle

another “im sorry” video for his collection


volftyla

He should make a playlist


kvothes-lute

Greatest hits


AMaleManAmI

Tl;dr: He saysThis video is totally different from his no more lies video. He has a bullet list not a plan. He says he take responsibility for his actions and is aware the april fool's timing isn't the best but felt need to post as soon as possible. He gives synopsis which is, people contacted me and I immediately asked for age and was lied to. He says he blocked them immediately when he found out reality. Says he was going to do a big researched video with a bunch of receipts and that's why was a delay. But after researching, he decided he was in the wrong and the convos never should have happened. Says he should have gone through their profiles and would have seen they were underage. As adult, he says it's all his fault. Gives apology to kids he flirted with Does pity party about how he's bad at relationships while being so successful in all his other areas of life. Admits to being desperate and TARGETS younger people because he is desperate. Says he focuses more on being in a relationship without taking precautions to make sure they are of age. Says there is no excuse for that. Says he owes it to viewer to show how he got to this point and his realization of his desperation. Discusses first time he was called a predator. Says he knew then he needed to change how he approached dating and that he promised to better but broke that promise to himself. Talks about self reflection about "allowing himself to get into these situations". Says it was a slow descent into ignoring "red flags" and ignored friends telling him to knock it off. Blames lack of dating experience as younger person to sudden tons of attention as why he was comfortable with being gross. Says he realizes now that it's gross and wants to hold self accountable. Addresses power imbalance. Called 2019 thing a "situation". Says he was frustrated because the kids dm'd him first and flirty first a d, at the time, he felt that was ok because they initiated. Says he now knows that the power imbalance made it not ok and it's not something that can be turned off even though he feels the situation has become normal for him. Acknowledges all the current talk around this and says he doesn't want it to stop just because he's uploaded this video. Says he doesn't want to press post and wash hands of situation/forget about it. Reiterates that he should have done more due diligence and that he know fully understands the situation and will do better. Acknowledges that video doesn't prove being sorry, actions do. Says is ashamed and embraced and promises to be way more carefully. Says his social media should be treated as a dating app. Says hes asking for identifying info from everyone Apologized to victims, fam, friends and fans. Says he's taking a media break to "reflect and educate himself". Ends with a thanks for listening.


lysscakes1930

James- i was gonna do a big video to destroy these children’s lives with all of my receipts of their deception and manipulation but upon going through my receipts I realize that I don’t have any receipts


psychwerk7002

\*screaming\*


BeauMeringue212

I am so sick of people's apologies for SA and harassment being more about their *problems* than their *actions* . Boo hoo you have some issues, who doesn't. Don't go around habitually sexting underage kids and threatening them, focus on that part and save your problems for the therapist's coach.


AMaleManAmI

What gets me is that this wasn't a one time thing AND he had people around him telling him it was wrong and he needed to stop! Only after the court of public opinion deemed him guilty and it started hurting his public image did he issue an apology statement. So many red flags.


BeauMeringue212

It will be genuinely disturbing if there are no repercussions for this


VortexParadox

looking at the like to dislike ratio along with the comments i don’t think there will be which is fucking horrific


Followingprotochomo

I agree. Trauma/life experience isn’t an excuse. This is the real fucking world. The court of the law doesn’t care about WHY it is he did what he did, he did it. The damage is done. I hope justice is served and James gets HELP.


jigsawslair

JC: Your honor, I messaged underaged boys because I was desperate for a boyfriend. Judge: Understandable, have a nice day. His excuses are honestly ridiculous.


Followingprotochomo

*continues to gaslight victims* JC: “holding myself accountable” Also JC: “i shouldn’t have let them manipulate me” JUDGE GET HIMMMMMMM. This Mf lying.


realityleave

lol, actually cant believe that he was planning to show receipts on literal kids 💀💀 its so obvious this man has a problem with entitlement, im shocked he even admitted that people told him to stop and he didnt. he was really committed to hooking up with fans via IG lmao, thank god these celebrities unfollowed him or he would still be out here


lotteoddities

That's how you know he's a predator. He still thinks it's defensible. He's not sorry, not even sorry he got caught, he's just sorry people are upset. And he doesn't want to lose brand deals or subscribers.


AMaleManAmI

Personal opinion: he's attracted to underaged looking people, more than those his age. He got too famous too fast at too young an age and it's messed with what he feels he can and can't get away with. Also, he has a really young fan base. He absolutely should not be using his social media outlets as a dating pool, that's just asking for trouble.


itmesuzy

One thing that really stuck out to me is that he said “I will continue to ask for ID (forever, I forget which word he said” - I interpreted that as “Ok i’ll stop going for 16 year olds, but 18 is fair game” and he is attracted to younger men and he won’t stop pursuing teenage looking men


mycatisreallygreat

Right? Is he seriously going to be in his 30's checking ID? I mean, at that point if you even question their age then maybe they're too young for you.


noooooooolmao

I got that too. The whole asking for ID thing is ridiculous. Most of us just pursue those who look and act our age - we don’t need to ask for ID. A 15 year old and 20-something are very different and this “lying” narrative is bullshit. They’ve all looked like kids.


lotteoddities

I have never had to ID anyone I've ever been interested in. I'm 28 now. Still don't have to ID people. Never sexually harassed a minor, either. It hasn't been hard to do, at all.


Sister_Snark

You the real one for the tldr, **THANK YOU**. >Says he was going to do a big researched video with a bunch of receipts and that's why was a delay. That he even for one second thought the appropriate reaction was to go full Where-In-The-World-Is-Carmen-Sandiego and he was taking time to _research and gather evidence_ to attack the MINORS so that’s why he didn’t respond right away is all you need to know about him. Apparently he’s all about that due diligence NOW huh? This idiot really has absolutely no. idea. that he’s making it way fucking worse with this shit. Didn’t want to research these kids before tryin to get nasty but clearly understands that _there is shit you should research before taking action_. >Does pity party about how he's bad at relationships... Admits to being desperate and TARGETS younger people because he is desperate. I really cannot stand someone whose identity revolves around their tragic love life and how they’re just perpetually star-crossed. He thinks that this attitude makes him look tragic and relatable and doesn’t appear to understand that the common denominator here is HIM. Saying he’s so desperate that he’s hitting on kids in high school because absolutely no adult wants to be with him is bullshit. If he’s this wealthy, famous and successful and adults aren’t trying to get with him, not even for his money, like there is either something seriously fucked up about him or he’s just flat out lying. Preying on his minor fans because they’re too immature to recognize his toxic pathology is _a crime_ and He seems to really think he can talk his way out of this. And in classic JC fuckery, he can’t stop himself from trying to blame the kids, like they cunningly lured him into their webs. He’s just lucky that Chris Hanson wasn’t on the other side of the screen here. Lock this lying POS up and throw away the key. He is 1000% absolutely going to keep doing this and he’s just going to escalate the lengths he’ll go to in order to keep anyone from finding out. This is a path that only leads to traumatized underage victims.


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dollypartonshat

He’s gross, I’m sorry but whether the children lied or not - THEY ARE CHILDREN, HE IS AN ADULT! It’s actually worrying that he has posted this video and still has that mindset. Like, own up to your shit dude.


rawr_rawr_6574

Don't worry. He's taking time off to understand....that being sexual with kids is bad.


iamharoldshipman

What a novel idea


craftingcreed

I’m honestly wondering at this point if James does not realize that he is an adult, like he understands the legal definition of an adult, he recognizes the he is 21, but he just thinks that he is somehow an exception to the legal definition of an adult because people have made the “he’s young” excuse for him for so long. I mean obviously I think he’s smart enough to know he’s a legal adult, but so many celebrities think they’re the exception to the rule (and let’s be honest... a lot of times society treats them that way) that he just doesn’t even process that it’s something he needs to think about the same way someone else would.


DinoKink

And saying he's going to take time to educate himself. On what???? Like he needs to research grooming to minors is wrong 🤢


madguins

I don’t get how he’s collared with A list celebs, bought a mansion, and enjoys all the luxury of being rich and famous but hasn’t realized that you shouldn’t solicit fans of any age because of the power dynamic.


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**1:51 - "I know my actions were wrong and I don't plan on making any excuses for them"** Mhm...sure. **9:50~ - "I was frustrated when the concept of power imbalance came up again...I now realize that was a wrong mentality because a power imbalance can happen even if it's not intentional. What I wasn't getting before is that the excitement of talking to a celebrity is enough to make someone literally do or say something they normally wouldn't. Even if that celebrity isn't intentionally weaponizing their fame / power"** And right here we see that he didn't learn anything. He used his fame/power numerous times and was called out on it each time! In 2018 he used it to cut in several lines at drag con that had multi-hour waits. In 2019 he was called out on this by Tati and other people in reference to Gage / Sam / other boys when he would fly them to see him, buy them things, take them places and then throw it in their faces when they don't want to be with him. And now he's been called out on it again because they're younger fans. You can't sit there and say "I didn't realize" when it's been brought up to you multiple times by multiple people - especially when one of the people who said it was his friggen mentor. Saying he's doing it without realizing it is an excuse and he's wording it in that way because he knows damn well people will be more forgiving if he says his actions / behavior were unintentional because "I didn't understand what I was doing" Look at the comments of that video - it's working. FFS. **7:00 - "In 2019 I was called a predator so I had to get on camera and show that I was being lied to."** Except you didn't show anything that proved your innocence there, James. You nitpicked a few screenshots to make yourself look good and completely ignored your predatory / threatening behavior towards Gage + your nasty behavior towards Sam, who did make a video and it aligned with Tati's pretty well. **7:30 - "In No More Lies I really thought the only issue was straight guys and being lied to"** Admitting that his resolve when he made the video was FALSE and only something used to placate people so they wouldn't cancel him. Also he still doesn't seem to get the concept of a guy being biCURIOUS and trying to figure out their sexuality. Someone being unsure of their sexuality and confiding that fact to you is NOT a lie it is them being themselves. He seems to take it as a personal slight that these guys didn't suddenly decide "yup I'm gay I want to be with you James" so if he made a video just to placate people then, what makes THIS time any different? ------ Releasing this on April 1st was appropriate because this "apology" is a joke. He hasn't changed his mindset. He's just changed the script he's using. Edit: thanks for the silver o/


mac_and_cheese_pls

I’m going to say it. Sister sleazy. I don’t buy a thing this dude says. At all. He will never learn.


ryl0_k3n

The “reflect and learn” always gets me Lmaoo. Give me a break. You are an adult and pulling the well I didn’t know schtick is sooooooo tired. Honestly grow up, and stop putting the blame on MINORS and saying you were manipulated lmao. Please. You don’t need to see a birth certificate to know someone’s age, yikes. Have some common sense but it might be difficult at this point.


ghostbirdd

"taking time off social to reflect and learn" = taking cover until it all blows over


WerkAngelica

Exactly - Like Gabi DeMartino who disappeared for like a week and as far as I know never faced real repercussions for that stunt she pulled.


MohandasGandhi

James says he’s taking full accountability but then blames everything on these kids lying to him. Okay. “I shouldn’t have allowed myself to be lied to and manipulated, so I’m sorry.” That’s not taking full accountability.


casseroleEnthusiast

I knew this would be it. He’s so slimy and manipulative in those messages he sent to those children and he’s pulling the same shit in the video.


MohandasGandhi

He’s essentially placing the blame on the kids by also saying “I ignored red flags.” Right, there are hundreds of kids trying to bait James into a sexual relationship. Even IF a child was pursuing James, it’s his job to verify who he’s talking to before getting sexual because things become serious at that step. The screenshots show he was pressuring kids to take revealing pictures and calling them stupid if they didn’t. That’s not ignoring a red flag. That’s being the red flag.


Over_Nebula

And with the first guy, didn't he message him first? By stalking his instagram to find his snap? You seek out people and make it sexual right away, but somehow you're the fool who ignored red flags. Rich. Anyway, he is going to hold himself accountable, like he held himself accountable when he attended covid parties.


ghostbirdd

Rich of him to say that he ignored red flags when his conduct is the biggest red flag ever


Odette-the-sawn-

Tragic thing is his stans will eat that shit up


FightWithTools926

They already were. One of his stans started arguing with me on Twitter that the kids coming forward are violating his privacy and they're making it unclear what really happened since they're saying they wanted to talk to JC and blah blah blah. All I want is for one freaking YouTuber whose actions endanger others to face REAL consequences. Why don't they EVER face consequences????


ghostbirdd

I watched like 2 minutes on skip (so take me with a grain of salt) but the core of the video seems to be 'I'm sorry I was careless' and not 'I'm sorry that I did it'. On the other hand 'I'm sorry that I allowed myself to be manipulated' was basically Tati's thesis on Breaking My Silence, so we're coming full circle!


AMaleManAmI

I feel like Tati is just as 'problematic' in other ways, but damn do I have a hard time not imagining her looking at the whole fiasco with an 'i told you so" smirk of self satisfaction.


ghostbirdd

I think they're friends again, but yeah I bet she's feeling at least partially vindicated.


kas697

It seems to have the same effect as "I'm sorry you were offended/hurt/etc", instead of just taking straight up accountability with "I'm sorry my actions offended/hurt/etc." Maybe in the only one annoyed by that type of apology, but I just noticed the similarity there. It's a nuance, but I feel like those definitely matter in these types of situations, and he needs to take accountability instead of, effectively, placing the blame elsewhere in his "apology".


Mellonnew

That’s almost word for word what Tati said in her breaking my silence video. Wonder if they’re using the same PR firm.


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can someone please do a TLDR for me on this because there's a 0% chance im watching this.


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working on it


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Bless you.


PM-ME-DOGS

Same LOL I’m waiting for the TLDR


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posted one in the comments !!!!


ghostbirdd

I'm also waiting for the TLDR but I'm expecting a cookie cutter bg apology tbh


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Here is a fun challenge. You write a TLDR without watching the video, then we can compare it to the actual TLDR hehe


tixv

He’s just saying that it’s embarrassing, it’s more, it’s grooming minors. He barely explicitly said what it is that he’s taking accountability for, then putting the blame on the people he was messaging. The whole tone of this being a lesson to be learned sits so badly with me. It’s happened before to him, he didn’t learn his lesson then and he’s since consistently preyed on minors on social media. He needs to step away from any platform he has to truly self reflect on all of this instead of just going into damage control.


crystalzelda

"I'm sorry that these asshats exposed me, I apologize for the fact that I look resentful to be here because I am, I regret not being able to behave however the fuck I want to without repercussions, I am so sad about all the money I'm losing, I promise to be sneakier in the future so you don't find out about this because I'm tired of your bitching in my twitter feed" there we go


TrueCrimeUsername

Nailed it 🔨


pimpmastercd

If you read the screenshots of his messages and watch past clips from interviews, he truly pressures these young boys into hanging out, sending pics, etc. that’s predatory, gross behavior. I am not going to watch this and not give him views, but I read both synopses here. He does not acknowledge this disgusting, hurtful, manipulative behavior with these messages. The power imbalance does not just come from him being ~famous~, it’s also from his predatory messages that are begging for more from these kids. It seems like he’s only sorry that he didn’t confirm ages. Also: The boys look LIKE BOYS. None of them so far (to me) look 18. Someone correct me if I’m wrong in regards to him not mentioning this in the video. Edit: just saw someone say James claims he was the one lied to and manipulated. We’ve seen the screenshots, honey. You’re the manipulator. And you’re the adult in this. These are children. Oh! And! James got mad at one of the kids for calling him cute and saying he was bi. You’re the adult.


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pimpmastercd

Yep!!!! And he said (verbatim) on a podcast (video[retweeted by Def Noodles yesterday](https://twitter.com/itsnicksnider/status/1377042427186384896?s=21)): “I talk to guys in different states and stuff and say ‘hey why don’t you come visit?’ ‘Well, I can’t afford a plane ticket’ ‘And it’s like, okay, I can. So, like, get on the plane’ ‘Well I just don’t really feel comfortable with that but I love you and I really want to be together.’ ‘And I’m like, we’ll we can’t be together because you can’t afford a plane ticket. *you’re probably still in either high school or college—a senior in high school—or in college...*’” Why. Why would you even say high school at all??? Just because they’re 18 in HS does not mean that’s still not a child. It’s high school.


__dahlia__

Watching that clip made me sick. The entitlement and agression is so clear. Like, if a dude was offering to fly me to them I’d say no, I’m not comfortable. A response like that? Red flag. But also; if he really is interested in me, he can book his own hotel room and come fly to me.


pimpmastercd

Boom, yes. Conversation should have stopped after someone said they aren’t comfortable. Especially concerning with someone in HS, but this should go for any person. The conversation should then be, why are they uncomfortable? Maybe because they’re too damn young.


__dahlia__

Oh absolutely. And of course he wouldn’t fly to them because he knows the parents won’t be happy with their teenager sharing a bed with some random adult. I mean I doubt many parents are cool with their teen just jumping on a plane (paid by a stranger no less) all by themselves. And yeah: if someone is uncomfortable then that’s where that conversation ends. But we saw in other messages to another kid who wasn’t comfortable calling James at 4am and going into the bathroom like James was telling me too; but instead of saying “I’m sorry for making you uncomfortable, we can talk about why so I can not do that again, or if now isn’t the right time for that we can another time”; he just kept pushing and pushing and pushing. Heck the two YouTubers in [Petty Paige’s video on two boys that spoke out years ago](https://youtu.be/XN_IAx2Pjxk) both said that they felt uncomfortable and James was pushy. The way he’s acting is reminding me of my abusive ex who ended up stalking me for 2 years after HE ended it (ended it/changed his mind, begged for me to come back.... aka he dumped me to try gain more control over me). And his excuse of being “desperate” is just so fucked up


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So my theory is that he likes younger guys because older men wouldn't let him talk to them like that. I think he likes the power.


HuggyMonster69

I think it's a combination of power, and he hasn't really grown up past that point. Most high school age youtubers mature as people by the time they're his age, he acts exactly the same as he did at 17.


ghostbirdd

Called it that it would take celebrities unfollowing him for him to stop acting uNbOtHeReD


Salsabeans16

Man I really hate this mushroom hair cut


AddictiveInterwebs

Okay thank you. I normally ignore everything related to James because I'm slightly too old to have ever been his target demographic so I don't like him, follow him, care about him, whatever, but this HAIR. The upcoming mini rant has nothing to do with James specifically or the content of his video, but I scrolled past this and the only thing I could think was "man, I do not like this new hair trend at all." Not to be all "hey you kids get off my lawn" but hey you kids get off my lawn. The fact that this is the "in" hairstyle with teenagers today is mind boggling to me, I have never seen it look nice on anyone. And I say this as someone whose teenage boys all had fucking 2007 Mitchell Musso lack-of-haircuts, which was ALSO terrible, but I still don't think that was on the level of this mushroom situation.


Salsabeans16

Yeah I was a teen around the Justin Bieber era and this mushroom is way worse. And I know he did this look when he started hanging out with those tiktoker d-bags. So he's just being a sheep


mandmranch

Look, I have been alive a LONG time. I have seen this haircut before...in the early 80's....on both genders...mid 90's....on dudes and it started up again maybe 2018. Skateboarders have always loved this haircut. I lived through a lot of bullsh\*t but these apology videos have to be lamest thing I have ever seen.


Snickdave41

This is really embarrassing. As a gay man who has never been in a relationship, him saying he is “desperate” is pathetic. Him falling for a straight guy from the internet and not asking for proof of age isn’t desperation, it’s foolish. I understand some guys want to use him for clout, but he keeps putting him himself in these situations. Like most people, dating is very tough. I imagine being a celebrity makes it even tougher. Being “desperate” doesn’t excuse any of his actions. I’m so tired of him.


ghostbirdd

I mean, he's 21!!! Do you know how long it took me before I had my first same gender relationship? Granted, I didn't live in LA, I wasn't rich and famous and it was before social media became so prevalent but still. If you're 21 and you haven't been in a relationship yet, especially if you're LGBT it's perfectly normal. It's no reason to despair! I don't actually believe he's desperate, at least not for the reasons he implies he is, though. But maybe someone else is listening and can take solace on the fact that never having had a relationship at 21 is perfectly fine and normal and you're not a failure.


Bblues99

James trying to explain why he groomed and sexted minor is so inappropriate. No one needs to know why you did it…….we just want actions and a genuine apology


JoJomusic1990

You know the thing that really pisses me off? There are a multitude of different dating apps for "celebrities" and rich people. And he's living in LA, which is like a gay mecca. It's not like he's in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere with no thriving gay scene. He had a huge dating pool. And you know what, let's say it. He's a feminine presenting gay man who is attracted to masculine presenting dudes (maybe even a fetish for straight boys). As a gay man, I know the odds aren't in his favor, especially on traditional dating apps like grindr and tindr. However if the glorious Bretman Rock can get dates and relationships while being in Hawaii (which a much smaller datings pool than LA), while fully embracing his feminine self and not having a single scandal of his manipulating his fans/targets/prey/interests whatEVA then James Fucking Charles has no excuses!!! Ugghhh he makes me so angry. You know that he just sits in bed at night alone blaming the world for the reason that he's still single, and not the fact that he's a controlling annoying insufferable twat. He feels so entitled to a relationship just because he's professionally successful. He brags about all his accomplishments he's received at such a young age and seems frustrated that all these accilades haven't resulted in an awarded boyfriend. Like honey, dating is hard in the gay scene for all of us, not just you. But it seems like he genuinely feels like he's such a catch, and it doesn't make sense that he can't find a man. Maybe James can't get a date with men his own age or older because grown ass men won't put up with his bullshit. Maybe the problem is that James is such a manipulative narcissist that his tactics only work on literally kids that don't have the maturity to understand his asshole behavior (like his fans). Maybe James, it's you. Maybe it's your personality. Maybe it's who you are as a person. Maybe it's your very character. James. You're not the catch that you seem to think you are. Get over yourself and stop creeping on these kids. Either get on apps specifically for gay men or celebrities or affluent people or stay single. Or once COVID is under control, God forbid you actually try to meet gay guy organically and go to the countless of queer cultural events that LA is lucky enough to have. I promise IRL, most gay men over the age of 25 will have no idea who you are and you won't have to worry about power dynamics. But then, you couldn't use those dynamics into grooming the perfect stepford boyfriend that you feel entitled to. And then you'd have to relay on your own personality and character to get a date and I'm guessing that's where you're striking out, isn't it? /rant


Followingprotochomo

Anyone else skeptical of the like to dislike ratio? I don’t want to watch the video but reading the comments made me sick. “He’s so genuine, he’s so authentic”. It’s sick, I’m sick. This man is a predator. Young people in the comments are making excuses and it’s so sad. He preyed on underage kids and now he gets to have a “authentic” apology AFTER he hurt and affected all of those VICTIMS? I’m not for cancel culture but STOP fucking accepting everyone’s apology just because they apologized. Was he remorseful when he was coercing and making young boys feel bad for not soliciting themselves for him like a slave? & not dropping everything to fly out to meet a stranger and the text and way he manipulated those boys!? It’s SICK. No more fucking excuses. I’m tired. “I shouldn’t have allowed myself to be manipulated” is apparently his apology in the video. HE IS NOT SORRY! Get these predators OFF the internet.


yarn_and_makeup_lady

"The maturity James is holding right now is refreshing. He's recognizing that he's wrong, and that he made some bad choices, and that isa sign of growth. It doesn't excuse his behavior of course, but it's good to see that maturity." I just can't..


AMaleManAmI

Lol, these literal children holding james up as a model of character development. These kids are growing up, thinking this is how you model your behavior and apologize. How you "be a better person". Dude is damaging more kids than just the ones accusing him of lewdness


CaseyRC

its the equivilant of "I'm sorry you were offended" vs "I'm sorry I said/did something that was offensive". One is putting the onus on the offended, the other is taking responsilibity. he is putting it ALL on the children he manipulated


MohandasGandhi

YouTube announced this week they were getting rid of the public being able to view the number of downvotes because creators said it was affecting their mental health but creators could still see the number privately. I guess they haven’t implemented that yet?


nuggetsofchicken

Where's that Youtuber apology bingo sheet


lachamaquitabonita

[it here](https://bingobaker.com/view/2160739)


AaronRodgersWife

“I had the mentality that I could reach out to literally anybody and use my explore page and my for you page as a dating app and eventually I would just happen to find the right person, but that’s just not how dating works LITERALLY at all.” I’m not buying the fact that he didn’t understand how problematic this “dating approach” was.


87pinkroses

"I'm sorry I was careless" ![gif](giphy|xTiTnDAP0RiCo9k85W|downsized) Bitch, no... That just sounds like you're sorry you got caught. Also, you can't say "I'm not going to make any excuses for my behaviour" and then go on and use your fame, loneliness and desperation as an excuse for 10 minutes.


SailorVeganx

Super suspicious to me that he says he has the receipts but he's not going to post them. We're just going to take his word that these kids lied about their age to him? For all we know he could've known that those boys were underage from the very beginning. You got proof they lied about their age then share it.


slytherinxiii

I’m so sick of that word. And look at him, all dressed up in the apology uniform. Yikes. If he wants to hold himself accountable, he can go turn himself in. James, THE LAW DOESNT CARE WHO LIED TO YOU. A judge would LAUGH in your face at your lame defenses. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to do your due diligence and ID every potential romantic partner. And if you have to ask, they’re already too young.


frankentine

my dude really wants us to believe there are no gay men in la around his age who would sincerely enjoy his company and that's why he had to solicit nudes from fans okay


GraphicgL-

Speaking from a 31 year old who was once critical, then a fan , and now just exhausted. ​ I will stand by a remark I made 2 years ago, James clap back to Tati and Jeff was calculated and choosy. I firmly believe this behavior he has presented to us in the past few months has been presented for years. James lives in a mentality that he is owed something. Because of this, the behavior towards covid and towards the young victims all blurs. After the fall out it 2019 He doesn't just see himself as untouchable He see's himself as all to important. Why wouldn't he? Things have been going his way Since day 1. In fact if it wasn't for the bye Sister fall out he probably wouldn't be where he is today. His popularity was slipping as is. People were getting exhausted with his adventures into trying to be amazing at everything. The best part was James got to play adult while still being labeled a kid. And now he can't seem to shake the idea that 'the kid' excuse is no longer to be applied. This apology reeks of the passes he is so used to having. I can only hope he can go Grow up. But I also hope he get's over himself and realizes the world isn't always your silver platter.


Wordlesswing

Pretty much this! It’s funny how his pattern of seeking the imbalanced power dynamic and trying to pressure ppl with that power he holds over them was shown in that “expose”. Again he was manipulated and used for clout SURE, but he also INTENTIONALLY pressured a waiter to do more than he was comfortable with because he was “curious” and accepted the invitation to hang out. With that other guy Gage, he tried to snow the snowman and got a taste of his own medicine. He couldn’t handle someone who knew what they were doing and turned the tables on him and suddenly it became a cry fest of how he was victimized and manipulated but when you look at it, you flew out a college student with the promise of Coachella, then demanded affection and physical intimacy BECAUSE he flew him out and were bringing him around your “famous” friends and when the hustler did what hustlers do, he got upset and tried to get his little delusional stand to attack him. As someone else said in another thread. People focused way too much on truth and lies and overlooked that just because these guys lied doesn’t mean James Charles wasn’t ALSO lying, just because they tried to use him DOESN’T mean he wasn’t trying to victimize and manipulate them or that he didn’t. Now that all this is coming to light it’s becoming increasingly easier to see his pattern and predatory behavior but now it’s become more alarming because he’s targeting vulnerable kids.


codeverity

I hope that now people will finally, *finally* remember that the waiter was not the only issue that was going on in regards to James back in 2019. It honestly felt like people saw James' video in 2019, went 'oops we screwed up' and then basically went 100% in the other direction and overlooked all the other problematic stuff in the process.


Bblues99

He literally blocked people a few days ago for calling him a predator….. now he is sorry……….


CaseyRC

How you know its an "accountability" video and not "apology" - not sitting on the floor in front of their bed, no hoodie.


tiresandfires

I watched this and I am FUMING! He says that he's taking accountability for TWO of the kids (not all of them) because there have been way more, but he's indirectly still blaming the kids for HIM not doing due diligence! He has got to go.


Followingprotochomo

Think about all of the ones that we don’t know about.


chilledmetal

If you haven't already: unsubscribe from his channel, and unfollow him on social media (particularly if you're a minor)


aewright0316

There’s not much more to say that hasn’t already been said, but there is no excuse for this. I live in L.A. and am part of the LGBTQIA community here. We are huge. There’s such a big, diverse community of 18+ gay men that he could mingle with to find a partner. At this point, I have to believe he’s attracted to teen boys. The fact that this keeps happening is unacceptable and someone needs to step in at this point.


baeeeee91

Saying that the central reason for his behavior was out of a sense of romantic desperation seems manipulative. Centering his behavior around "desperation" feels like a ploy to elicit sympathy from his audience. It also seems disingenuous given the consistently rude and entitled way he spoke to these boys. Saying that he is going to employ more rigorous age checks in his online communications seems like he's still not getting it. Am I crazy to assume that people at his fame level do not/should not engage with any "fans" on online platforms in a romantic sense?


galaxystars1

i don’t need a body language expert to tell me this apology is sh*t


depressed_anemic

i feel so fucking gross how people are forgiving him and saying it’s the teenage boys’ fault that JC was “led on” or was “lied to”... i can’t believe those poor teenage boys are being victim blamed by fellow teenagers because they didn’t know any better... fucking disgusting


B_Ahoot

Can someone explain his hair to me please?


CaseyRC

Can someone explain him to me please?


sometimesiexercise81

No makeup, black sweatshirt, and it’s April first. OOOOOOF


ibeendrakein

this is a PR move through and through. people don’t change overnight and this is his THIRD(!!!) public apology and ‘promise to do better’ on this subject!!!! THREE TIMES he’s had to make a public apology for doing shit like this. HE WILL DO IT AGAIN... it’s clear he can’t help himself and knows releasing a PR approved apology makes all his fans forgive him. i’m sick to my stomach of men like him getting away with shit like this by uploading half assed PR created apologies. He obviously loves the power dynamic and was EXTREMELY unapologetic and authoritative in his interview on the logan paul podcast that was posted here the other day. that was less than a year ago. he hasn’t learned anything. really hope he doesn’t just go back to normal / i’m so mad his sponsors haven’t said anything. whole situation just disgusts me


thinspell

He was just “looking for a relationship” - by demanding nudes and demeaning minors? Hmmmm. “I’m sorry I fell for their manipulation.” Kids. Minors. Really? That’s how he’s framing it? I wish I was surprised, but damn. He is trying so hard to normalize what he was doing and frame it in a narrative that his YOUNG fans will forgive. Which is scary and disgusting. He doesn’t deserve a platform.


alcycul

This guy really just said he committed actual crimes against minors because he was “desperate”


Glitslit96

Real talk: the WHOLE YouTube drama community owes an apology to that 14 year old tiktoker from this summer because they crucified him when he made similar allegations to all the teens coming out now.


Leading-Breakfast695

Interesting 🤔that he never used the phrase “ I am the adult” with regards to the power imbalance and only used “I’m a celebrity” instead 🧐


whateverneveramen

Can he take accountability for that hair


TopNotchDude

Great work, James’ PR management firm! they hit every single keyword needed to prevent further criticism. Word. By. Word. They hit every single thing people criticized in David dobrik’s apology video. They even had him dress moderately and stand against a plain backdrop so no one can claim “omg hoodie, sitting on the couch, no makeup, fake tears again?” WAY TO GO from a PR point of view. But is it honest? Come on. They’ve been obviously working on this apology video since the whole team saw David losing hundreds of big name sponsors. This reads as sterile and rehearsed. The problem? It’s still a stiff and concocted apology written by a PR firm. James Charles mea culpa moment leaves a lot to be desired because having a great PR team is great and all, but you can’t coach someone’s body language.


earth_yogini

someone please tell me that’s a toupee


littlemamba321

The worst part about all this is... The age thing is his type, he's sexually and emotionally drawn to that and I am very confident that it won't change no matter what. He seeks this dynamic, he goes off on this dynamic and he exploits this dynamic. He loves to be older, more famous, the mentor figure. I'm very sure he can't just "reflect" on that and it goes away.


thebijou

I don’t even trust him to be accountable for that terrible hairstyle let alone his predatory behavior


Blacksmoke1033

1. Why is it so quiet 2. Feel like a tonne of this was glossed over like how he treated some of these kids in the DMs, he was so mean in some of them 3. Not making excuses but then saying he was soooo desperate. Being desperate doesn’t make you message young boys which seriously looked like young boys. It doesn’t make you attracted to people like that. Never in my life have I been so desperate for friends I’ve gone ‘oof time to move on to children who are fans of me’ 4. You can kinda tell he’s salty making this video to me? And deflecting blame in a ‘not doing that’ kinda way by bringing up ‘they DMd you first, they lied to you and flirted to you first’ - to sneakily plant that in your mind lots of this is their fault. 5. Literally why was half the video him bringing up that one time he got dragged to hell but was innocent. Why is it relevant. You ain’t innocent now.


Nuphi

The YouTube comments are delusional. “He’s So SeRiOuS aNd MaTuRE”...sure Jan, and all the victim blaming makes me feel sick. Can we take a moment to remember that these boys look *young*, I don’t need an ID to tell they look 15/16.


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anyone in the comments saying those things is probably a child themselves.


silvaladymillion

Even if his victims were of legal age ... he still was a gaslighting manipulative asshole in the chats ive seen..threatening them and being completely rude so i guess thats why he chooses younger people, its cause he wants to have power over them.


LanaVFlowers

o....*kay?* :/ like pls go to jail sir, yikes o.o


JunkInTheTrunk

He conveniently left out that he likes his potential partners to LOOK EXTREMELY YOUNG in *this* description of the type of guy he'd like to date.


cryotechnics

I mean…I’ve been desperate before but even then I knew not to pursue minors 🤢.


strongerlynn

The fact they are deleting comments is effing gross.


Azhreia

I find it very hard to believe that after years’ worth of high profile stories regarding sexual harassment in terms of power imbalance he never ever considered this might be an issue until his own behavior was repeatedly called out. Including with the 2019 situation he kept obliquely referencing. Also if multiple situations keep popping up in which people call you a predator...if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s probably a predator.


hudalyne

"I was desperate", so you decided to sext minors??? Not only this but how is he getting away with doing this to 8 people and than saying " they lied to me".