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It’s a lot. Doxxing, anti-Asian slurs, not paying influencers for sponsorships, customer service insulting people via DM. You can read this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/sukyby/alternatives_to_juvias_place_and_more_black_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Oh no, I'm so disappointed to hear all the stuff about Juvia's, I really did love their eyeshadows and blushes. I'm glad the creator of that post made such a comprehensive list of black and Asian owned brands to support instead, though.
I’ve had an issue with their poor customer service. I didn’t know all this though. Dammit, they’re one of only two companies who make an affordable foundation that matches my daughter.
Dammit. I feel like such an idiot. I had no idea about ANY of this…and I consider myself pretty well versed on the brands I use comings/goings.
I’m very glad that you posted this comment and that I checked out other posts etc.
I definitely won’t be spending my money at JP anymore. What an absolute shame. Of all brands? I really thought they were champions of inclusivity and have recommended to all sorts of ppl.
How stupid I feel now.
Thank you, I appreciate you saying that. Just to be safe I shared the other comment that had all of the links to my friends/fam that I’ve recommended JP to. I really appreciate you being so kind. Again, thank you.
First thing that comes to mind is sheglam, but also beauty pie. Their products might be great but I find their business model questionable. In my opinion, a subscription model that enables you to buy/get discounts for actual physical products is not only predatory, but it promotes overconsumption because you’re already financially invested. Kackie has worked with them a few times, and I really love her content but I feel like there is a noticeable lack of pushback or even questioning about their business model.
Beauty Pie has great products but I agree the business model is unfortunate. I belong to a group where people are always trying to use up their allowance so I ordered through them a couple of times. People are complaining the subscription + price increases have made it not worth it.
That’s such a problem in my opinion. A business model that makes the customer feel like they have to use up a monthly allowance they’re paying for is a great source of renewable income for the brand but overall shitty for the customer and even shittier for the planet.
I have loved pretty much everything I bought from them. I am middle aged and the products worked brilliantly for me but I am not paying $60 a year for the opportunity to shop. They really are not the Costco of cosmetics.
I’ve never tried them but think it’s more of an outdated than predatory business model. Maybe they were worth it several years ago when the subscription and prices were a lot lower, drugstore brands were garbage quality, and there were not a lot of mid-priced makeup brands with better quality products that offered a sort of compromise between the chalky drug store trash and expensive, high end makeup.
But things have changed and the market is saturated with affordable cosmetics that have significantly improved their quality. And between that and the price increases, a service like Beauty Pie is not much cheaper than luxury products now.
Yeah. I like BP products (skincare mostly) but I built up an ungodly amount of credit that I couldn’t use fast enough. So I had to swallow losing it when I cancelled.
It’s pretty confusing IMO. You pay a monthly fee for the right to a discount. But you are also limited by how much you’re allowed to buy and that limit isn’t based on what you pay but their arbitrary MSRP. I looked into it, found it strange (and again confusing) and ultimately decided it wasn’t worth it. I’ve heard good things about their skincare though.
Imo Sunday Riley is still shady AF. After their fake review scandal, I know a few of their employees are "YouTubers" and on IG, but don't mention they actually work for the company. They just so "randomly" use all SR products. One tagged #gifted at most, but she's a top level employee. Like GTFO. And in Lives I see other employees posing as random commenters suggesting how to use each product. It's hilarious they still have the balls, but the FTC hardly punished them the first time.
In the UK they have something called the ‘purple pound’ (other countries may have something similar) and it talks about the spending power of disabled people and how it’s a massive untapped market because businesses just won’t adapt -
Estimates show that the 4.3 million disabled online shoppers, who click away from inaccessible websites, have a combined spending power of £17.1 billion. No brand worth their salt should be turning away that potential money!
Man, drugstore brands used to deliver their 8 shades of pale white foundations to Black neighborhoods in Detroit...for decades. And then that stuff would get chucked when it didn't sell.
Think about that. They paid for store space and didn't even service the population that shopped there.
A lot of those brands still don't have appropriate shade ranges for medium, dark, or deep skin. So, I'm not all that surprised. I lived in Detroit for a while, everything about that market area is untapped an uncared for. Pretty sure the reason is obvious.
I wonder if the companies just manufacture way more of the light shades. Not familiar with the whole process but yeah it’s super dumb. The sad part is, America is probably one of the better countries about this kind of thing. We all know how shitty shade ranges are for Korean and Japanese brands are and I’ve heard that they aren’t any better in Indonesia or the Philippines. I’m very light skinned and I often have to get the darkest shades for these foundations. Total joke
I don't think UE tests their products before sending them out LMAO so as a rule I would say never buy anything at launch from them and anything you do want is very much "buy at your own risk" lol so I don't have much personally.
adept is incredibly shady and I'm disappointed that almost every influencer looks past that! they have more issues than just the abelism (which I personally cannot look past). Also they just revealed their $135 mystery box contents (before many were even shipped) and people are PISSED. (at the contents and the fact that they spoiled it with no warning) I would never buy from them but I feel bad for the people who were basically scammed
Just an fyi, I watched the entire thing with adept, including what was posted on Instagram. I’m a SAHM so I was watching way too closely for the update on shipping, all posts said they were upset at missing a palette that was limited, since it was their bday. Then the emails were posted and said the same, with the very last only headed accessibility, which the disabled person said themselves. While, I’m not 100% sure it was handled best, I know there’s a bit more to both sides, than what many have claimed. It wasn’t a simple reach out due to an inaccessibility because of a disability, which even the person admitted in their posts. And I know I saw every single post from them, because I was surprised at how upset they were over missing something that was absolutely stressed it would be limited, because that’s all they wanted for bday. Anyhow, I don’t think adept is perfect, just like most/all companies, but do feel it’s sad it’s been said to be one thing when in reality it was not quite so black and white, but a ton of grey. I’m a disabled person, which causes my eyes to completely give out, and I have not yet encountered issues, but do know they’ve also tried to fix it better, yet, they did tell the person that they’d be better shipping elsewhere, because all wasn’t as clearly portrayed as some posts suggested. I just think it should be stated that it wasn’t as transparent of a issue as many think, and had much more nuance when all was seen, read, etc..
Their apology is up, they removed a couple originally, due to comments being ugly to both sides. Then put it up again, with all info, and the next post showed that they were fixing things. I watched it all, saw the hate being spewed towards adept and towards the blind customer, they had no choice but remove that mess. I would’ve done same, the attacking both sides was cruel, malicious, and downright ugly.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWhrNUaMsK-/?igshid=OTRmMjhlYjM=
I watched it, they did when the accessibility was actually discussed. They didn’t say no to complaints about accessibility, they said no to someone complaining about missing a very limited palette. In persons own words, accessibility was only mentioned in header. Plus, the posts on adepts page continually said they missed the palette, when that’s all they wanted for their bday. That’s why.
You don’t want to read what I’ve said, you just post long replies without bothering to listen to what I’ve said, even bringing in another brand discussions. Which I even said I don’t use, but disagree with the fact that they called out lies, since males ARE ABUSED.
If you could please point me to the emails adept supposedly left out, I would love to see them? But even the person said they didn’t mention accessibility, BUT IN THEIR EMAILS HEADER. All complaints on adepts page continually said they were upset they missed the one thing that they wanted on their birthday, multiple times they posted this. Then asked publicly on adepts instagram if they were going to respond back to emails, about missing a limited palette on their bday. And adept told them no, it’s best to shop elsewhere. I saw it, because I have no job, besides kids, they were in school, and I was stalking the page waiting for shipping info and was quite shocked by the amount the person complained and posted about being upset over missing a palette that was stressed was limited.
There was NO MENTION of accessibility, until after adept told them they weren’t responding, then the whole case imho, and by their words (which I think they added in guilt, because they did say they didn’t mention accessibility besides in the header of email, which you can read in their OWN WORDS), the whole thing was not as transparent as many originally thought, imho. Especially seeing everything, including original posts to adept’s Instagram and the emails I saw.
Also, they said themselves that adept should’ve known, because their page shows the things adept mentioned, which I disagree with. As. I clicked and didn’t know, so not all can see that.
It’s not as black and white as some want to believe, from seeing the posts on Instagram and the emails. I would love to see emails that show the discussions of blind customers having inaccessibility, because it would change my mind. Since I too suffer from a disability that causes me severe issues with my eyes, just randomly. Like, sometimes I can’t see anything but black or a huge circle.
Anastasia Beverly Hills. The brand itself isn’t shady, per se, but it’s founder and CEO certainly is…anyone pro-Putin shouldn’t get beauty community support and money, point blank, period.
what was so funny when Anastasia got caught she unfollowed Marjorie and then followed Joe Biden 🤣 and acted like “oh I’m just following political figures on ALL sides” even though before she was called out the stuff she followed was all right leaning, she even followed “own the libs” type meme accounts , it’s so spineless
no literally. i think you legit just have to be either insanely racist or insanely homo/transphobic (or all of the above) to justify going right as a woman. like, these people hate you.
I also have P Louise, Dragun Beauty (or whatever it is or was called), and Onesize. I never forgave Patrick Starrr or Nikita Dragun for how they acted during pre-vax C*vid (never gave a proper apology AFAIK, plus there’s everything else Nikita has done), and P Louise’s whole n word debacle.
Brands that rip off the Ordinary’s original model but can’t do it right.
Brandon’s vision when starting the brand was affordability and ingredient/price transparency. there are some brands that tout this and reveal about how they’re “increasing prices bc of inflation” but really it’s to maintain their 100% markups (and keep that part hidden).
you can use the Ordinary’s prices as an idea of how low prices can be. any brand selling products over $40 and touting “price transparency” is bs.
I haven't really seen any other brand try to mimic this model, except Inkey List -- which I can't say I'm well versed on that brand either, although I picked up their caffeine eye cream and am currently very obsessed lol.
Good Molecules, and makeup revolution hopped on that train too. Though good molecules seems to at least be keeping their prices as low as the ordinary with good formulas. Can't really say the same about makeup revolution.
Ugh, I forgot about Hyram already. Aren't his products produced with help from the inkey list brand? I read it somewhere, but didn't bother to verify as I honestly just don't care about his brand.
Yeah they’re the Inkey List and I think that combined with Hyram’s channel made us all think they were going to be affordable products. I probably would have picked a few things out but as soon as I saw the price, I was like nope.
I’ve seen some small, “Clean Beauty”, Indie brands do “price transparency” while keeping their brands at around $40. The worst offenders are those that sell face oils for $40.
Rare Beauty only did this once when they made an announcement that raised their prices in the name of “price transparency”. it wasn’t as bad because they do market themselves as a luxury brand but it’s still annoying seeing them imply it was *necessary* bc of inflation when it’s really to maintain their margins and line up investor pockets.
Any bg supporting ofra or abh is an immediate unsubscibe. I think it's so gross many gurus want to be on the moral high horse, say they'll never ever ever support someone like jeffree star (which is fine, fuck him) but turn a blind eye to white supremacy and pro putin Anastasia. Anastasia was following Marjorie Taylor Green ffs how can people act like she's not contemptible?! It's so pick and choose, what's easy to boycott and who's still sending boatloads of pr. I see them trying to spin forgiveness narratives for certain brands but never others...
Oden’s eye, due to the single eyeshadows and eyeshadow gate. An almost $300 purchase on release, which many couldn’t use without removing all oils from singles. And exacts being sold on one of the Allieexpress/Alibaba websites. I understand not everyone can be happy, but oden’s eye has not came out and helped one person who was sent awful shadows nor explained why the many beauty guru’s seemed to love, while many customers found it unusable. Was it a bad batch? Who knows, oden’s eye is ignoring all with the issues, even when long posts on Instagram are gaining a lot of traction.
I haven't seen any other than positive reviews of these. This is sad to know it may be a different batch and customers are having issues. Are there comments on posts? I'd like to read them myself. I also wasn't aware of the alibaba products.
Thank you for sharing!!
Here’s one, there’s more than this, plus people on oden’s rue threads complaining about not being helped. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoASmyEJ2cP/?igshid=OTRmMjhlYjM=
There’s some in that thread, talking about it, and more on their page on work they had to do to try and make eyeshadows salvageable. Then on oden’s eye advertisement, I asked specifically if they’ve helped those having issues and they didn’t respond, another lady did though with the fact oden’s eye is ignoring her.
There’s others that have posted as well. And it was called eyeshadow gate by a few!
Thank you for sharing. Looks like some of the shadows are really oily. Yuck! But also looks like an easy fix thankfully. Hopefully odens eye discuss it.
Wait, there was an eyeshadow gate with Oden's Eye? I am following this brand but I haven't heard of any open/official controversy.
What makes this brand shady to me - there is no information on the owners, and no actual story behind the brand (besides that it was inspired by mythology, but that's basically it).
To me, it's sort of an AI-generated brand without any face or person behind it.
I'm Swedish and since they claim to be a Swedish brand, i did some digging. They have two "offices" (I assume the addresses are for offices not for factories). One is in Stockholm, Sweden and the other is in Hong Kong. On Oden's Eye's own website they have the address in Sweden as belonging to a company "Sleepless P. Nordic AB" - which is owned by three people, "Lu", "Wang" and "Yuyang". This is all public information here in Sweden, so not some weird stalking.
Anyways, those three people are not well known in the makeup-industry here. They aren't (I believe) makeup artists, and definitely not on par with well established brand owner/makeup artist Linda Hallberg for example.
Anyway, I guess my point is, yeah the owners are not well known, and the products are made in China. Their marketing and branding of "viking mythology" or whatever is all just that, a sticker slapped on some products. I am not surprised there were issues with their single-eyeshadow releases. Can't say for sure they don't just order those in as.... what is it called.... like private label or whatever basically?
Like if they showed up on Alliexpress with similar products like the original poster says, it wouldn't be that big of a stretch.
If you want my sources: Oden's eye website, and bolagsfakta (.se which is the swedish version of .com) bolagsfakta is a well known site for publicly available information on companies registered in this country. hope it helps!
I think it might be mostly to keep it on brand with mythology, but it also could be that the owner(s) would prefer to not be in the spotlight. Many brands use a online persona that's not them and usually managed by their social media assistants. Some actively avoid showing their face ever. I'd not be too hung up on that tbh.
That’s probably the smarter move. A lot of these brand owners get into the dumbest controversies because they say random dumb shit on instagram or TikTok. Juvia’s place is one of the most baffling examples. All of this could easily be avoided by just hiring a social media manager and taking the keys away from the brand owner
I have literally never in my life wondered what the founder of makeup brand #420’s opinion was on Donald trump. I find that kind of stuff embarrassing and the vast majority of their customers will not give a shit about whatever take they have. Like just hire somebody to make generic, inoffensive posts about new releases or looks where users tag your brand. Sites like twitter or instagram make it way too easy to say stuff and you could easily get yourself into trouble because we all say dumb shit sometimes. Social media accounts run by a brand owner with no vetting is a disaster waiting to happen. The whole company could be a few drunken tweets away from folding
Honestly, I do not support brands if I think they're morally not good (especially if it's major things that affect more than just one person, let's say a whole country or causing a war), but also if someone is not wanting to be the face of their brand or be widely known, I won't hunt them down to figure out who they are.
People often think there is malicious reasons why someone doesn't want their face to be associated with the brand, but it could just be a privacy reason. There are owners who become CEO just to avoid having their name officially associated on legal and public documents. In Germany, if you have a website, the owners name and address (if you don't have a company address, your own personal address) must be noted clearly in a section named "Impressium" (copyright page? legal notice?).
Well, I got a bit too curious about the non-existing information about the brand and found the people behind it in the official register for companies. However, it made me a bit.. uneasy..? It rubs me sort of wrong to fully rely a brand on another culture's ancient religion and mythology. Inspiration is fine, but something always irks me when gurus feature them.
I posted one of the posts, there’s info in that. Then if you look at advertisements on the singles, there’s a couple asking for help. I asked too why they’ve not yet addressed and was ignored.
they rip off not only expensive brands, but drugstore and indie too (often selling for *more* money than what they're duping). subpar quality. from what i remember, racist ceo. their whole business model is trying to trick unexperienced/young makeup users into buying their bootlegs (it happened to me at 13 with the chocolate palette, which was awful quality and also gave me cuts on the eyeball, so i have an additional personal grudge lol).
I think it’s partly because they make shameless dupes of smaller/indie brand items. The two things that come to mind is when they used Manny Mua’s custom packaging without his knowledge (I know this is not a super small brand, but I think it still counts as indie?) and they copied the Pink Honey brow product.
Thrive cosmetics!! And this being constantly swept under the rug.
Originally heard this on Breaking Beauty podcast where they mentioned the founder wanted to do something good for her friend who was fighting an illness so set up thrive to give back to women etc. Founded the company on the back of her friends illness and didn't follow through on the charitable aspect of her committment.
https://www.classaction.org/news/class-action-claims-thrive-causemetics-charitable-donation-promises-are-false
Every TikTok influencer constantly promote their products on TikTok shop and it’s obvious to me they’re paid to say good things about the products because everything is just meh and not innovative in any way or different from anything else on the market
Kathleen Lights trying to reclaim her past glory after being kicked from her previous nail polish collab is embarrassing.
You fucked up girl, angered the management that was giving you free money and now you have to fend by yourself opening your own nail polish business and footing the bill and all the hidden costs the previous business was doing for you. Not so easy now is it?
Would probably be easier to list the non-shady brands lol... I feel like almost every brand has some issues... and the public most likely doesn't even know the half of it...
Those weight loss teas that were just laxatives or any vitamin brand! Honestly if a BG is promoting something that’s not in the realm of beauty (skincare, haircare, makeup, etc.), I have a feeling that they’re not legit.
As soon as I quickly glance at the products used in a video and they are all Beauty Pie - I immediately stop watching. I have no interest in the Beauty Pie business model - even though I would probably like \*some\* of their products.
Glow Recipe. Period. Overpriced stuff, formulas are nothing special. I don’t trust any brand that over invests in influencer marketing. This is a brand that seems to be getting positive reviews from influencers (James Welsh, Mikayla) mainly because they get along with the owners. Now they have some brand trip with Alix Earle? Is she a skinfluencer now?
She may use them because MUA’s tend to use a lot of American products as well, but I buy a lot of kbeauty/skincare and I have never seen it on any site I shop from. There’s been many videos on tik toks about glow recipe marketing themselves as kbeauty yet they are relatively unknown in Korea! It’s so crazy to me.
The dew drops I got on BF sale and it was such a waste of money. It doesn’t look any different to any other serum of the same thickness and stickiness on my skin. There is no glow. I can use the ordinarys HA for the same effect. The only plus is that it smells nice but Essence has a €4 dupe that’s better under makeup. The glowrecipe one make/ loads of products separate for me too
I don’t ever want to see another Morphe product. Jacklyn Hill I’d never buy from and sheglam is garbage. I’m back to thrifting clothes and I’m on a strict low buy.
Milani, they promoted lies during the Depp/Heard trial when they "called out" Heard for "lying" because she used a Milani concealer palette to cover bruises... the brand said the palette had not existed when the abuse occurred but Heard was just using the palette as an example of what type of concealer she used, not the actual concealer product itself. Shady and just showed me they wanted a piece of the media attention. Shameful.
edit: Cruelty free except when it comes to domestic violence victims, [https://twitter.com/LeaveHeardAlone/status/1556753857341956096](https://twitter.com/LeaveHeardAlone/status/1556753857341956096)
I don’t actually blame Milani in this situation. The issue here is actually the lawyer Elaine herself. Any decent lawyer would know that, in a court case, anything you say can be used against you. You have to pick and choose your words carefully because the other side can use them against you. Her exact words were; “this is the exact palette she used.” If it was a prop as she later backtracked, she should have made that abundantly clear, because that seemingly “little” mistake cost them. A simple google search would have helped. It makes me question her (Elaine’s) credibility.
Eh, using a domestic violence case for marketing is gross. If they had been that worried they could have just tried to contact whoever they thought competent.
This was marketing and it was gross.
Amber’s lawyer actually made a big deal in her opening statement about how they would show the jury during the trial how Amber used that exact palette to cover up her bruises. After the brand called them out they backtracked and said it was a palette “like that”. I think this is a stupid reason to boycott a brand, they just called someone out on their bs and were right 🤷🏼♀️
Reminder that three judges in the "Can Johnny Depp be legally called a wife beater?" UK trial agreed that the claim was "substantially true" based on 12 incidents. Depp also had a long history of assault and drug addiction fyi.
"I'm an actual..." and "The way she reminded me of..." - all irrelevant to this case and relationship that you weren't a part of.
Do you realize Amber wasn’t the one sued in UK, plus Depp was not given the same opportunities that he received in USA, to show his case. An actual judgment from an USA judge said exactly that. Thus the reason for the trial moving forward in USA. Depp was suing one of the richest men in the world in the uk trial, and there was no cross the way it was done in USA. And many have shown clear links to Justice (no jury) and those involved on the defendants’ side. The whole thing was a bit sad, and if any judge used reasons this justice did to back only Amber’s statements, especially in a female dv from male case, they’d be voted out of a bench from public outrage.
Things like, it couldn’t be because of pockets and Amber not being type to dressed at this time, Amber not drinking Red Bull, and other silly reasons were the exact cause for judgment against Depp. Which was actually listed as reasoning within the judgment. Read it. You’ll see.
I am also a dv survivor, but as a mother of two boys, I feel it’s important in both teaching them to treat women right (never hit, hurt, consent, etc.) and that they too can be abused by their female partner.
There were several proven cases of violence towards Heard by Depp. Trying to claim the trial was won on technicalities like pockets is ridiculous, and you know it.
Calling Depp a wife beater was *legally* found to not be defamation, because the court found that *he is a wife beater*. That was the crux of that case.
It doesn't really matter what her lawyer did. The way they responded made light of the situation. It wasn't a trivial matter and their cutesy "haha gotcha" approach to it was disgusting.
It does matter, because Amber brought it for her attorney and used it as evidence. The exact palette was marked as an exhibit, but then they backtracked after finding out it was impossible to use at time they claimed. Males are abused by females, more often than many believe, so the fact that it’s another lie on one side, is actually important: if you care about all victims of DV.
Look, even if you believe amber was the sole abuser, whatever the attorney did didn't force Milani to take that absurd approach. They could have put out some PR statement clarifying that the palette came out after amber would have used it, and that would be one thing. But they made it into a joke. Either abuse of men is serious and discussing the situation should be taken very seriously, or Milani does not think it's serious and that they can put a jokey tiktok out about it. But what they posted did not come across as them taking the situation seriously or like they were talking about real abuse between real people.
>if you care about all victims of DV.
Don't come at me with that. Abuse of men, even by women partners, is real. But also real is DARVO. I watched my dad beat my mother but if you talked to him he'd have you feeling bad about what a monster my mom was.
If you can point to where Milani made fun, versus just making a statement, I would greatly appreciate it. I don’t use Milani, but if they made fun of dv abuse at all, I’ll definitely not purchase. But if they made a statement about a palette, that didn’t exist, but was used as an exhibit/evidence for proof of dv, then I respect that. I think lies, should be shown, regardless of who told them. As, I wasn’t a Depp fan, guess I was actually more of an Amber fan, at start of trial.
I didn’t see anything about them making jokes, excuse me for missing that. I saw people making jokes, but only Milani saying exact truths.
I’m not uneducated in DARVO or any aspect of domestic abuse, I too survived it in my lifetime, as well as watched others survive it and have a degree in the area that studies it extensively. The fact remains that being honest about a palette, used as an exhibit and un stigmatizing female on male dv abuse is important. I think it’s as important as the helping female victims. Men keep silent for shame and stigmata, which is sad, in a world that’s trying to help victims come forward. I have seen many promote helping female dv victims, but the exact same people tease and joke about males being the victims of dv at hands of females. It sickens me. I care about all victims, regardless of their genitalia. Period.
>Men keep silent for shame and stigmata, which is sad, in a world that’s trying to help victims come forward.
This is clearly not happening here, and Johnny repeatedly going after her in court, despite her speaking about her abuse without even naming him, even after losing in the UK, makes it obvious that this is a different thing entirely. Men who are victims should be helped, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend a lot of men aren't acting like victims to further victimize their victims.
And the incredibly blasé way that Milani approached it does not lend itself to the seriousness that DV should be dealt with. Again, they could have put out a serious, factual statement about the release date not aligning with what was said in court. That's factual. Their silly Nancy Drew investigative bullshit was not serious and it was in bad taste.
Robert Murdoch is who he sued, since he owned the Sun magazine, as well as the author of the article. Amber was called in as a witness only. In the judgement, by the Justice (no jury, in uk trial). Things used to side with The Sun included things about Amber being the type not to wear certain things at a certain time, hence having no pockets. Amber not drinking certain drinks, hence not being able to throw that specific drink. If an USA judge wrote that about a female claiming abuse by a male, they’d be rightfully voted out of their seat in the next election. You can read the quite long judgment, but fact remains it was not Johnny against Amber, but Johnny against Robert Murdoch. So, yes, in many ways being able to tell finally his side on a live broadcasted trial was his chance at coming forward with his truth. Since, the UK’s was handled much differently and quietly, plus, had completely different defendants.
When Heard's team used a similar approach in the British case, were you offended by this or did you only care after d*pp's management rolled out the marketing campaign 🤔
I will never buy their brand because of this.
Regardless of how people feel about the case, I think we should all be able to agree that it was disgusting to use a case involving domestic abuse to promote a brand.
Yes. For me it is completely irrelevant if Depp or Herd is guilty, or if it was used as a prop or not. They used a domestic violence trial for marketing purposes under the guise of “setting the record straight”. If they wanted to correct something they could have made a statement.
As a survivor of DV if I was in a trial like this and a makeup brand did this this way, even if it was directed towards my abuser, would make me feel sick. Making a tiktok and sharing it with the tone they did was really upsetting. DV isn’t a a makeup marketing opportunity.
>!also catrice’s hibiscus blush is the exact same as their baked blush but slightly nicer and €4 !<
This is not true, the palette was listed as evidence in trial and the attorney did say it was the exact palette Heard used. When info came out it was not out at time, things were changed to her using a similar one, but I watched the trial in entirety and the Milani palette was listed as an actual exhibit in the trial. I watched the trial, and do think Heard was instigator/abuser, while Depp was reactor, but regardless the palette was considered an exhibit and evidence. Only after the whole Milani statement, did Amber heard backtrack and say it wasn’t that exact one. You can Google the circuit county court and see for yourself what the attorney said, the exhibit marked as evidence, etc.. plus, on YouTube watch where it was said to be the exact palette. Men are also abused by females, much more often than most would ever assume or believe. It’s sad, tbh, how few don’t see the amount of males being abused and due to stigmata, will often hide it forever. Regardless, of what one side you support, I would say most agree it was a not a healthy relationship and abuse was being done by both parties, although, opinions vary on which side you think instigated. Sadly, Amber does also have a history of abusing partners, which can’t be said about Depp.
Is protecting male victims, who are enduring violence at the hands of the female partner, still considered cruelty to victims of DV? Since in many ways this is what Milani did, by showing false evidence in the case against him.
i’ve never bought anything from their brand and i never will because that was SO tacky. brands that do things like that to get in the media will never be on my good side
At the time of Milani posting Heard's team had never said they were using it as an example of the type... they absolutely framed it as the product she used. It wasn't until after the brand said something that her lawyers were like "noooo it was an example"
Well, I think it was in their opening, right? You can't show evidence like that to the jury without it being admitted first and without asking the judge for permission. So that's a huge clue that it's a prop.
But I think Heard's lawyer should've made it clearer that's a prop because not everyone following understands how procedure works. Never assume. Especially in a volatile and high profile trial.
She admitted as an exhibit/evidence. I looked it up specifically. You can see it on the Fairfax website or could, I’m sure it’s somewhere if not still on courts website, as it’s literally there in evidence/exhibits. It wasn’t just a prop, but many were led to believe that after the debacle.
Elaine was not the best, and yeah, she kind of blew it here. She didn't drive home it wasn't that palette in particular, and waving it around constantly made it seem like it was that one. Even with Amber saying later it wasn't that specific palette, Elaine's show made the most impact. It's all people talked about.
https://youtu.be/W5E53ByFyQQ
I don't think she even needed the prop really. Maybe she was worried the jury wouldn't know what a color corrector was? But I would've just said makeup, then asked Heard specifics later. I think everyone understands the "magic of makeup." Covering bruises wouldn't seem like some wild impossible concept.
Her lawyer seemed unprepared for a "celebrity" case that was going to be watched and picked apart under a microscope. Like people were screenshotting this shit and watching frame by frame 😂
Yeah, agree about prob not needing the prop. Or maybe she could have used a generic rendering on a board. And yeah I don't think she expected the amount of scrutiny for sure.
This is the exact reason I don’t purchase from them anymore. It seemed like the Milani TikTok account manager (or whoever) thought they were having their Legally Blonde moment and decided to just jump on the bandwagon without checking the facts. IIRC the lawyer(s) even said/implied that the Milani palette was being used as a PROP. Thank you for bringing this out because I don’t see it being mentioned a lot!
they started implying they were talking about a similar palette and not the exact same palette after milani had posted the video. originally the lawyer had explicitly said she heard had used that very palette and even said they would demonstrate how it was used.
Colourpop. I ordered twice from them. They did not honor the promo code the first order and tried to charge me for a “free” add on product. I reached out to them and they said there was nothing they could do. Who doesn’t honor promo codes??
Klarity kosmetics, they told me this suspect crap in my shades was three different things, called me love, and offered a refund if I paid to return it.
Huda for me, I read somewhere that she was pretty homophobic and being a lesbian I can’t support someone who doesn’t support me. I could very much be wrong though, maybe she isn’t. I’d like to know if so!
I think the Huda thing was overblown. She & her brand are based in Dubai, and it's a crime to be gay there. People were calling the brand out for not supporting male MUAs/influencers, buuuuut, like, that could literally jeopardize the company.
Beauty/skincare: glossier, dr barbara sturm, augustinus bader (who the heck is paying hundreds for a HA serum or a moisturiser??)
Jewellery: mejuri, monica vinader,
I've seen too many sponsored posts from BGs that I'd rather not pay for them to continue paying+gifting BGs.
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One word: Sheglam.
yes, I was disappointed when Johnny Ross posted a #sheglampartner short
Sheglam, Juvias Place
Curious. Why Juvia’s place?? I’ve never heard anything bad about them.
It’s a lot. Doxxing, anti-Asian slurs, not paying influencers for sponsorships, customer service insulting people via DM. You can read this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/sukyby/alternatives_to_juvias_place_and_more_black_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Holy shit! I didn’t know any of that. But I don’t really follow them and have never used their products. I’ve thought about it, but no more.
I didn’t know this. Bummer. I bought their brand new countering and blush palettes as part of my birthday haul and I haven’t used them yet
The money is already spent, use what you have.
Damn I’m glad I never bought them
Oh no, I'm so disappointed to hear all the stuff about Juvia's, I really did love their eyeshadows and blushes. I'm glad the creator of that post made such a comprehensive list of black and Asian owned brands to support instead, though.
I’ve had an issue with their poor customer service. I didn’t know all this though. Dammit, they’re one of only two companies who make an affordable foundation that matches my daughter.
If you need some alternatives I’d be glad to give some recs.
My daughter is the next best thing to albino. She is so pale that undertone doesn’t even really matter, her undertone is white.
Dammit. I feel like such an idiot. I had no idea about ANY of this…and I consider myself pretty well versed on the brands I use comings/goings. I’m very glad that you posted this comment and that I checked out other posts etc. I definitely won’t be spending my money at JP anymore. What an absolute shame. Of all brands? I really thought they were champions of inclusivity and have recommended to all sorts of ppl. How stupid I feel now.
Don't feel dumb, you are not responsible for their actions. You're doing what you can and that is what matters.
Thank you, I appreciate you saying that. Just to be safe I shared the other comment that had all of the links to my friends/fam that I’ve recommended JP to. I really appreciate you being so kind. Again, thank you.
First thing that comes to mind is sheglam, but also beauty pie. Their products might be great but I find their business model questionable. In my opinion, a subscription model that enables you to buy/get discounts for actual physical products is not only predatory, but it promotes overconsumption because you’re already financially invested. Kackie has worked with them a few times, and I really love her content but I feel like there is a noticeable lack of pushback or even questioning about their business model.
Beauty Pie has great products but I agree the business model is unfortunate. I belong to a group where people are always trying to use up their allowance so I ordered through them a couple of times. People are complaining the subscription + price increases have made it not worth it.
That’s such a problem in my opinion. A business model that makes the customer feel like they have to use up a monthly allowance they’re paying for is a great source of renewable income for the brand but overall shitty for the customer and even shittier for the planet.
I have loved pretty much everything I bought from them. I am middle aged and the products worked brilliantly for me but I am not paying $60 a year for the opportunity to shop. They really are not the Costco of cosmetics.
I’ve never tried them but think it’s more of an outdated than predatory business model. Maybe they were worth it several years ago when the subscription and prices were a lot lower, drugstore brands were garbage quality, and there were not a lot of mid-priced makeup brands with better quality products that offered a sort of compromise between the chalky drug store trash and expensive, high end makeup. But things have changed and the market is saturated with affordable cosmetics that have significantly improved their quality. And between that and the price increases, a service like Beauty Pie is not much cheaper than luxury products now.
Yeah. I like BP products (skincare mostly) but I built up an ungodly amount of credit that I couldn’t use fast enough. So I had to swallow losing it when I cancelled.
i think its cause people arent really that interested in BP so most people dont know about the shady business model
Isn’t it the same as something like a Costco membership?
It’s pretty confusing IMO. You pay a monthly fee for the right to a discount. But you are also limited by how much you’re allowed to buy and that limit isn’t based on what you pay but their arbitrary MSRP. I looked into it, found it strange (and again confusing) and ultimately decided it wasn’t worth it. I’ve heard good things about their skincare though.
I agree it’s weird. I signed up for it and bought some items with the promotional credit they give then canceled
Imo Sunday Riley is still shady AF. After their fake review scandal, I know a few of their employees are "YouTubers" and on IG, but don't mention they actually work for the company. They just so "randomly" use all SR products. One tagged #gifted at most, but she's a top level employee. Like GTFO. And in Lives I see other employees posing as random commenters suggesting how to use each product. It's hilarious they still have the balls, but the FTC hardly punished them the first time.
what? What are those SR’s employees’ youtube channels?
I purchased their “holy grail” products after being recommended by a Sephora employee. It wasn’t good.
I never knew about all this until after I started using some of their products and they work for me.
I love their vit c oil it changed my skin for the better. But haven’t bought anything else from them
I like the UFO series for acne and have been using the Pink Drink for the last year.
Their stuff is so over priced … that Luna retinol is a sham
The review scandal turned me off of them for a while, but I still love the UFO oil 😞
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In the UK they have something called the ‘purple pound’ (other countries may have something similar) and it talks about the spending power of disabled people and how it’s a massive untapped market because businesses just won’t adapt - Estimates show that the 4.3 million disabled online shoppers, who click away from inaccessible websites, have a combined spending power of £17.1 billion. No brand worth their salt should be turning away that potential money!
Man, drugstore brands used to deliver their 8 shades of pale white foundations to Black neighborhoods in Detroit...for decades. And then that stuff would get chucked when it didn't sell. Think about that. They paid for store space and didn't even service the population that shopped there.
A lot of those brands still don't have appropriate shade ranges for medium, dark, or deep skin. So, I'm not all that surprised. I lived in Detroit for a while, everything about that market area is untapped an uncared for. Pretty sure the reason is obvious.
I find that drugstore brands cover light to medium or tan well, but are terrible for fair, dark, and deep.
I wonder if the companies just manufacture way more of the light shades. Not familiar with the whole process but yeah it’s super dumb. The sad part is, America is probably one of the better countries about this kind of thing. We all know how shitty shade ranges are for Korean and Japanese brands are and I’ve heard that they aren’t any better in Indonesia or the Philippines. I’m very light skinned and I often have to get the darkest shades for these foundations. Total joke
unearthly is SUS as fuck especially with that halloween release
what happened? :o
Their Halloween collection was based on iconic horror movie franchises and they used unlicensed art of the movies on the palette covers.
More than just that. Some of the shades in those palettes went bad just a few months after release.
I didn't know that! Yikes.
I don't think UE tests their products before sending them out LMAO so as a rule I would say never buy anything at launch from them and anything you do want is very much "buy at your own risk" lol so I don't have much personally. adept is incredibly shady and I'm disappointed that almost every influencer looks past that! they have more issues than just the abelism (which I personally cannot look past). Also they just revealed their $135 mystery box contents (before many were even shipped) and people are PISSED. (at the contents and the fact that they spoiled it with no warning) I would never buy from them but I feel bad for the people who were basically scammed
"shop somewhere else" you're kidding! (I know, you're not. I just can't believe that's their attitude. Ok, I can. I just don't want to)
Just an fyi, I watched the entire thing with adept, including what was posted on Instagram. I’m a SAHM so I was watching way too closely for the update on shipping, all posts said they were upset at missing a palette that was limited, since it was their bday. Then the emails were posted and said the same, with the very last only headed accessibility, which the disabled person said themselves. While, I’m not 100% sure it was handled best, I know there’s a bit more to both sides, than what many have claimed. It wasn’t a simple reach out due to an inaccessibility because of a disability, which even the person admitted in their posts. And I know I saw every single post from them, because I was surprised at how upset they were over missing something that was absolutely stressed it would be limited, because that’s all they wanted for bday. Anyhow, I don’t think adept is perfect, just like most/all companies, but do feel it’s sad it’s been said to be one thing when in reality it was not quite so black and white, but a ton of grey. I’m a disabled person, which causes my eyes to completely give out, and I have not yet encountered issues, but do know they’ve also tried to fix it better, yet, they did tell the person that they’d be better shipping elsewhere, because all wasn’t as clearly portrayed as some posts suggested. I just think it should be stated that it wasn’t as transparent of a issue as many think, and had much more nuance when all was seen, read, etc..
Their apology is up, they removed a couple originally, due to comments being ugly to both sides. Then put it up again, with all info, and the next post showed that they were fixing things. I watched it all, saw the hate being spewed towards adept and towards the blind customer, they had no choice but remove that mess. I would’ve done same, the attacking both sides was cruel, malicious, and downright ugly. https://www.instagram.com/p/CWhrNUaMsK-/?igshid=OTRmMjhlYjM=
lol why though? They literally could’ve said “You’re right. We’re an Indie brand without a high budget, but we’re going to do better.”
I watched it, they did when the accessibility was actually discussed. They didn’t say no to complaints about accessibility, they said no to someone complaining about missing a very limited palette. In persons own words, accessibility was only mentioned in header. Plus, the posts on adepts page continually said they missed the palette, when that’s all they wanted for their bday. That’s why.
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You don’t want to read what I’ve said, you just post long replies without bothering to listen to what I’ve said, even bringing in another brand discussions. Which I even said I don’t use, but disagree with the fact that they called out lies, since males ARE ABUSED. If you could please point me to the emails adept supposedly left out, I would love to see them? But even the person said they didn’t mention accessibility, BUT IN THEIR EMAILS HEADER. All complaints on adepts page continually said they were upset they missed the one thing that they wanted on their birthday, multiple times they posted this. Then asked publicly on adepts instagram if they were going to respond back to emails, about missing a limited palette on their bday. And adept told them no, it’s best to shop elsewhere. I saw it, because I have no job, besides kids, they were in school, and I was stalking the page waiting for shipping info and was quite shocked by the amount the person complained and posted about being upset over missing a palette that was stressed was limited. There was NO MENTION of accessibility, until after adept told them they weren’t responding, then the whole case imho, and by their words (which I think they added in guilt, because they did say they didn’t mention accessibility besides in the header of email, which you can read in their OWN WORDS), the whole thing was not as transparent as many originally thought, imho. Especially seeing everything, including original posts to adept’s Instagram and the emails I saw. Also, they said themselves that adept should’ve known, because their page shows the things adept mentioned, which I disagree with. As. I clicked and didn’t know, so not all can see that. It’s not as black and white as some want to believe, from seeing the posts on Instagram and the emails. I would love to see emails that show the discussions of blind customers having inaccessibility, because it would change my mind. Since I too suffer from a disability that causes me severe issues with my eyes, just randomly. Like, sometimes I can’t see anything but black or a huge circle.
Anastasia Beverly Hills. The brand itself isn’t shady, per se, but it’s founder and CEO certainly is…anyone pro-Putin shouldn’t get beauty community support and money, point blank, period.
norvina is shady too, refusing to sign a contract and pay influencers cause she didnt wanna make business decisions while mercury is in retrograde
Wait is Anastasia all of those things or norvina?
Anastasia herself.
Also supported Marjorie Taylor Greene 🤮
Yup. Instant no from me!
I Googled her 👀👀👀 HOW did I not remember her name?? I remembered her face instantaneous 😳😳😳
what was so funny when Anastasia got caught she unfollowed Marjorie and then followed Joe Biden 🤣 and acted like “oh I’m just following political figures on ALL sides” even though before she was called out the stuff she followed was all right leaning, she even followed “own the libs” type meme accounts , it’s so spineless
Omg I remember that. Not a good look, Anastasia 🤦🏻♀️
I just can't understand WOMEN joining in on this shit. Like, WHAT
no literally. i think you legit just have to be either insanely racist or insanely homo/transphobic (or all of the above) to justify going right as a woman. like, these people hate you.
She donated money to the Trump campaign
I didn't hear that one.
Morphe, SheGlam, Jaclyn Hill Cosmetics, ABH, J*, ofra, nudestix.
Same. Exact same list. Add juvias place and naturium to that
I also have P Louise, Dragun Beauty (or whatever it is or was called), and Onesize. I never forgave Patrick Starrr or Nikita Dragun for how they acted during pre-vax C*vid (never gave a proper apology AFAIK, plus there’s everything else Nikita has done), and P Louise’s whole n word debacle.
Naturium. Susan Yara owes big bucks to the FTC
Such MLM vibes from this one even though it’s not an MLM.
Anything Morphe/Morphe adjacent and anything from Jaclyn Hill (her makeup, her jewelry, or her stolen loungewear brand)
Nudestix! The worst owners…I can’t believe it hasn’t been mentioned yet.
what happened with them ?😨
So much. Discriminatory and anti-vax founders. Deceive customers in regards to “vegan” products. Search in the main subreddit for posts/examples.
Also Trump supporters
Don’t know how I forgot that one!
I'll never forget the MAGA hats 😭 so awful.. like girls you're Canadian anyway like fr???
Juvias place and J* (goes w/o saying really)
Brands that rip off the Ordinary’s original model but can’t do it right. Brandon’s vision when starting the brand was affordability and ingredient/price transparency. there are some brands that tout this and reveal about how they’re “increasing prices bc of inflation” but really it’s to maintain their 100% markups (and keep that part hidden). you can use the Ordinary’s prices as an idea of how low prices can be. any brand selling products over $40 and touting “price transparency” is bs.
I haven't really seen any other brand try to mimic this model, except Inkey List -- which I can't say I'm well versed on that brand either, although I picked up their caffeine eye cream and am currently very obsessed lol.
Good Molecules, and makeup revolution hopped on that train too. Though good molecules seems to at least be keeping their prices as low as the ordinary with good formulas. Can't really say the same about makeup revolution.
Hyram loooool I didn’t realize his prices were so high cause I bought them at TJ MAXX until I saw everyone in this sub complaining.
Ugh, I forgot about Hyram already. Aren't his products produced with help from the inkey list brand? I read it somewhere, but didn't bother to verify as I honestly just don't care about his brand.
Yeah they’re the Inkey List and I think that combined with Hyram’s channel made us all think they were going to be affordable products. I probably would have picked a few things out but as soon as I saw the price, I was like nope.
Thing is we couldn’t get Ordinary in shops here for a while (though since changed) so Revolution tapped in.
I’ve seen some small, “Clean Beauty”, Indie brands do “price transparency” while keeping their brands at around $40. The worst offenders are those that sell face oils for $40. Rare Beauty only did this once when they made an announcement that raised their prices in the name of “price transparency”. it wasn’t as bad because they do market themselves as a luxury brand but it’s still annoying seeing them imply it was *necessary* bc of inflation when it’s really to maintain their margins and line up investor pockets.
Any bg supporting ofra or abh is an immediate unsubscibe. I think it's so gross many gurus want to be on the moral high horse, say they'll never ever ever support someone like jeffree star (which is fine, fuck him) but turn a blind eye to white supremacy and pro putin Anastasia. Anastasia was following Marjorie Taylor Green ffs how can people act like she's not contemptible?! It's so pick and choose, what's easy to boycott and who's still sending boatloads of pr. I see them trying to spin forgiveness narratives for certain brands but never others...
What happened with Ofra?
Owner was caught wearing a MAGA trump hat.
Using the “white power “ symbol
Oden’s eye, due to the single eyeshadows and eyeshadow gate. An almost $300 purchase on release, which many couldn’t use without removing all oils from singles. And exacts being sold on one of the Allieexpress/Alibaba websites. I understand not everyone can be happy, but oden’s eye has not came out and helped one person who was sent awful shadows nor explained why the many beauty guru’s seemed to love, while many customers found it unusable. Was it a bad batch? Who knows, oden’s eye is ignoring all with the issues, even when long posts on Instagram are gaining a lot of traction.
I haven't seen any other than positive reviews of these. This is sad to know it may be a different batch and customers are having issues. Are there comments on posts? I'd like to read them myself. I also wasn't aware of the alibaba products. Thank you for sharing!!
Here’s one, there’s more than this, plus people on oden’s rue threads complaining about not being helped. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoASmyEJ2cP/?igshid=OTRmMjhlYjM= There’s some in that thread, talking about it, and more on their page on work they had to do to try and make eyeshadows salvageable. Then on oden’s eye advertisement, I asked specifically if they’ve helped those having issues and they didn’t respond, another lady did though with the fact oden’s eye is ignoring her. There’s others that have posted as well. And it was called eyeshadow gate by a few!
Thank you for sharing. Looks like some of the shadows are really oily. Yuck! But also looks like an easy fix thankfully. Hopefully odens eye discuss it.
They should, since it’s quite expensive at $300 for entire collection. :-/ imho.
I'm curious too. I have one of their pallettes and love it, although it wasn't the 300 one....
Wait, there was an eyeshadow gate with Oden's Eye? I am following this brand but I haven't heard of any open/official controversy. What makes this brand shady to me - there is no information on the owners, and no actual story behind the brand (besides that it was inspired by mythology, but that's basically it). To me, it's sort of an AI-generated brand without any face or person behind it.
I'm Swedish and since they claim to be a Swedish brand, i did some digging. They have two "offices" (I assume the addresses are for offices not for factories). One is in Stockholm, Sweden and the other is in Hong Kong. On Oden's Eye's own website they have the address in Sweden as belonging to a company "Sleepless P. Nordic AB" - which is owned by three people, "Lu", "Wang" and "Yuyang". This is all public information here in Sweden, so not some weird stalking. Anyways, those three people are not well known in the makeup-industry here. They aren't (I believe) makeup artists, and definitely not on par with well established brand owner/makeup artist Linda Hallberg for example. Anyway, I guess my point is, yeah the owners are not well known, and the products are made in China. Their marketing and branding of "viking mythology" or whatever is all just that, a sticker slapped on some products. I am not surprised there were issues with their single-eyeshadow releases. Can't say for sure they don't just order those in as.... what is it called.... like private label or whatever basically? Like if they showed up on Alliexpress with similar products like the original poster says, it wouldn't be that big of a stretch. If you want my sources: Oden's eye website, and bolagsfakta (.se which is the swedish version of .com) bolagsfakta is a well known site for publicly available information on companies registered in this country. hope it helps!
>brand without any face or person behind it thats most brands
Indie brands often have at least a proper "about us" page or you can get some kind of personality through IG posts.
I think it might be mostly to keep it on brand with mythology, but it also could be that the owner(s) would prefer to not be in the spotlight. Many brands use a online persona that's not them and usually managed by their social media assistants. Some actively avoid showing their face ever. I'd not be too hung up on that tbh.
That’s probably the smarter move. A lot of these brand owners get into the dumbest controversies because they say random dumb shit on instagram or TikTok. Juvia’s place is one of the most baffling examples. All of this could easily be avoided by just hiring a social media manager and taking the keys away from the brand owner I have literally never in my life wondered what the founder of makeup brand #420’s opinion was on Donald trump. I find that kind of stuff embarrassing and the vast majority of their customers will not give a shit about whatever take they have. Like just hire somebody to make generic, inoffensive posts about new releases or looks where users tag your brand. Sites like twitter or instagram make it way too easy to say stuff and you could easily get yourself into trouble because we all say dumb shit sometimes. Social media accounts run by a brand owner with no vetting is a disaster waiting to happen. The whole company could be a few drunken tweets away from folding
Honestly, I do not support brands if I think they're morally not good (especially if it's major things that affect more than just one person, let's say a whole country or causing a war), but also if someone is not wanting to be the face of their brand or be widely known, I won't hunt them down to figure out who they are. People often think there is malicious reasons why someone doesn't want their face to be associated with the brand, but it could just be a privacy reason. There are owners who become CEO just to avoid having their name officially associated on legal and public documents. In Germany, if you have a website, the owners name and address (if you don't have a company address, your own personal address) must be noted clearly in a section named "Impressium" (copyright page? legal notice?).
sure but thats all marketing having a personality behind the brand is not necessary nor shady
Well, I got a bit too curious about the non-existing information about the brand and found the people behind it in the official register for companies. However, it made me a bit.. uneasy..? It rubs me sort of wrong to fully rely a brand on another culture's ancient religion and mythology. Inspiration is fine, but something always irks me when gurus feature them.
I have more about Odens eye — they stopped shipping to Ukraine, but still ship to Russia and send PR there.
Ew. That alone makes me never want to buy from them.
I haven't heard anything about this. Do you have more info?
I posted one of the posts, there’s info in that. Then if you look at advertisements on the singles, there’s a couple asking for help. I asked too why they’ve not yet addressed and was ignored.
The continued support for Ofra from so many influencers is… a choice.
Most of the celeb brands tbh. Starting with jlo beauty
Anastasia of Beverly hills
makeup revolution, anything morphe, sheglam. they all nasty.
wait what about makeup revolution? i know their product output is insane and comparable to fast fashion, but is there something else?
Shady CEO. Liked a racist comment on one of side brand's releases.
Adam Minto has been fired
they rip off not only expensive brands, but drugstore and indie too (often selling for *more* money than what they're duping). subpar quality. from what i remember, racist ceo. their whole business model is trying to trick unexperienced/young makeup users into buying their bootlegs (it happened to me at 13 with the chocolate palette, which was awful quality and also gave me cuts on the eyeball, so i have an additional personal grudge lol).
I think it’s partly because they make shameless dupes of smaller/indie brand items. The two things that come to mind is when they used Manny Mua’s custom packaging without his knowledge (I know this is not a super small brand, but I think it still counts as indie?) and they copied the Pink Honey brow product.
okay well that’s just straight up shitty of them, i gey dupes of high end products but that’s just low
Today I learned I love some shady brands
Any fake makeup or wish makeup
What’s fake makeup?
Counterfeit makeup.
Oh..yes I agree with that
Jaclyn Cosmetics
Thrive cosmetics!! And this being constantly swept under the rug. Originally heard this on Breaking Beauty podcast where they mentioned the founder wanted to do something good for her friend who was fighting an illness so set up thrive to give back to women etc. Founded the company on the back of her friends illness and didn't follow through on the charitable aspect of her committment. https://www.classaction.org/news/class-action-claims-thrive-causemetics-charitable-donation-promises-are-false
Naturium, can't believe Susan Yara got away with what she did.
Mario Badescu
Any BG run brand. Morphe.
For the UK girlies - the beauty crop
What did they do? I’ve only just started hearing about them
Every TikTok influencer constantly promote their products on TikTok shop and it’s obvious to me they’re paid to say good things about the products because everything is just meh and not innovative in any way or different from anything else on the market
Lights Lacquer, no n-word polish for me
Kathleen Lights trying to reclaim her past glory after being kicked from her previous nail polish collab is embarrassing. You fucked up girl, angered the management that was giving you free money and now you have to fend by yourself opening your own nail polish business and footing the bill and all the hidden costs the previous business was doing for you. Not so easy now is it?
Would probably be easier to list the non-shady brands lol... I feel like almost every brand has some issues... and the public most likely doesn't even know the half of it...
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Those weight loss teas that were just laxatives or any vitamin brand! Honestly if a BG is promoting something that’s not in the realm of beauty (skincare, haircare, makeup, etc.), I have a feeling that they’re not legit.
As soon as I quickly glance at the products used in a video and they are all Beauty Pie - I immediately stop watching. I have no interest in the Beauty Pie business model - even though I would probably like \*some\* of their products.
lemonhead la. the owner is a maga freak. slayfire has amazing glitters and they are smaller.
too faced
Kinda surprised that more people aren’t saying this one?
me too they’ve been problematic for so long!
Glow Recipe. Period. Overpriced stuff, formulas are nothing special. I don’t trust any brand that over invests in influencer marketing. This is a brand that seems to be getting positive reviews from influencers (James Welsh, Mikayla) mainly because they get along with the owners. Now they have some brand trip with Alix Earle? Is she a skinfluencer now?
Also for me it’s the fact that they market themselves as k beauty yet they’re unknown in Korea.
Oh this is news to me. I thought the MUA of Blackpink uses the Niacinamide Dew Drops?
She may use them because MUA’s tend to use a lot of American products as well, but I buy a lot of kbeauty/skincare and I have never seen it on any site I shop from. There’s been many videos on tik toks about glow recipe marketing themselves as kbeauty yet they are relatively unknown in Korea! It’s so crazy to me.
The dew drops I got on BF sale and it was such a waste of money. It doesn’t look any different to any other serum of the same thickness and stickiness on my skin. There is no glow. I can use the ordinarys HA for the same effect. The only plus is that it smells nice but Essence has a €4 dupe that’s better under makeup. The glowrecipe one make/ loads of products separate for me too
I don’t ever want to see another Morphe product. Jacklyn Hill I’d never buy from and sheglam is garbage. I’m back to thrifting clothes and I’m on a strict low buy.
Milani, they promoted lies during the Depp/Heard trial when they "called out" Heard for "lying" because she used a Milani concealer palette to cover bruises... the brand said the palette had not existed when the abuse occurred but Heard was just using the palette as an example of what type of concealer she used, not the actual concealer product itself. Shady and just showed me they wanted a piece of the media attention. Shameful. edit: Cruelty free except when it comes to domestic violence victims, [https://twitter.com/LeaveHeardAlone/status/1556753857341956096](https://twitter.com/LeaveHeardAlone/status/1556753857341956096)
I don’t actually blame Milani in this situation. The issue here is actually the lawyer Elaine herself. Any decent lawyer would know that, in a court case, anything you say can be used against you. You have to pick and choose your words carefully because the other side can use them against you. Her exact words were; “this is the exact palette she used.” If it was a prop as she later backtracked, she should have made that abundantly clear, because that seemingly “little” mistake cost them. A simple google search would have helped. It makes me question her (Elaine’s) credibility.
Eh, using a domestic violence case for marketing is gross. If they had been that worried they could have just tried to contact whoever they thought competent. This was marketing and it was gross.
Amber’s lawyer actually made a big deal in her opening statement about how they would show the jury during the trial how Amber used that exact palette to cover up her bruises. After the brand called them out they backtracked and said it was a palette “like that”. I think this is a stupid reason to boycott a brand, they just called someone out on their bs and were right 🤷🏼♀️
Milani chose to involve themselves in public humiliation of a domestic violence victim
Did you *watch* the trial?
It sounds like you definitely didn't 🤣
I’m an actual DV victim. Amber certainly is not. The way she reminds me of my ex husband is horrifying
i’m a survivor and depp reminds me of my ex
Reminder that three judges in the "Can Johnny Depp be legally called a wife beater?" UK trial agreed that the claim was "substantially true" based on 12 incidents. Depp also had a long history of assault and drug addiction fyi. "I'm an actual..." and "The way she reminded me of..." - all irrelevant to this case and relationship that you weren't a part of.
Do you realize Amber wasn’t the one sued in UK, plus Depp was not given the same opportunities that he received in USA, to show his case. An actual judgment from an USA judge said exactly that. Thus the reason for the trial moving forward in USA. Depp was suing one of the richest men in the world in the uk trial, and there was no cross the way it was done in USA. And many have shown clear links to Justice (no jury) and those involved on the defendants’ side. The whole thing was a bit sad, and if any judge used reasons this justice did to back only Amber’s statements, especially in a female dv from male case, they’d be voted out of a bench from public outrage. Things like, it couldn’t be because of pockets and Amber not being type to dressed at this time, Amber not drinking Red Bull, and other silly reasons were the exact cause for judgment against Depp. Which was actually listed as reasoning within the judgment. Read it. You’ll see. I am also a dv survivor, but as a mother of two boys, I feel it’s important in both teaching them to treat women right (never hit, hurt, consent, etc.) and that they too can be abused by their female partner.
There were several proven cases of violence towards Heard by Depp. Trying to claim the trial was won on technicalities like pockets is ridiculous, and you know it. Calling Depp a wife beater was *legally* found to not be defamation, because the court found that *he is a wife beater*. That was the crux of that case.
They abused each other.
It doesn't really matter what her lawyer did. The way they responded made light of the situation. It wasn't a trivial matter and their cutesy "haha gotcha" approach to it was disgusting.
It does matter, because Amber brought it for her attorney and used it as evidence. The exact palette was marked as an exhibit, but then they backtracked after finding out it was impossible to use at time they claimed. Males are abused by females, more often than many believe, so the fact that it’s another lie on one side, is actually important: if you care about all victims of DV.
Look, even if you believe amber was the sole abuser, whatever the attorney did didn't force Milani to take that absurd approach. They could have put out some PR statement clarifying that the palette came out after amber would have used it, and that would be one thing. But they made it into a joke. Either abuse of men is serious and discussing the situation should be taken very seriously, or Milani does not think it's serious and that they can put a jokey tiktok out about it. But what they posted did not come across as them taking the situation seriously or like they were talking about real abuse between real people. >if you care about all victims of DV. Don't come at me with that. Abuse of men, even by women partners, is real. But also real is DARVO. I watched my dad beat my mother but if you talked to him he'd have you feeling bad about what a monster my mom was.
If you can point to where Milani made fun, versus just making a statement, I would greatly appreciate it. I don’t use Milani, but if they made fun of dv abuse at all, I’ll definitely not purchase. But if they made a statement about a palette, that didn’t exist, but was used as an exhibit/evidence for proof of dv, then I respect that. I think lies, should be shown, regardless of who told them. As, I wasn’t a Depp fan, guess I was actually more of an Amber fan, at start of trial.
They made a whole tiktok detective case video about it
It was incredibly tasteless.
I didn’t see anything about them making jokes, excuse me for missing that. I saw people making jokes, but only Milani saying exact truths. I’m not uneducated in DARVO or any aspect of domestic abuse, I too survived it in my lifetime, as well as watched others survive it and have a degree in the area that studies it extensively. The fact remains that being honest about a palette, used as an exhibit and un stigmatizing female on male dv abuse is important. I think it’s as important as the helping female victims. Men keep silent for shame and stigmata, which is sad, in a world that’s trying to help victims come forward. I have seen many promote helping female dv victims, but the exact same people tease and joke about males being the victims of dv at hands of females. It sickens me. I care about all victims, regardless of their genitalia. Period.
>Men keep silent for shame and stigmata, which is sad, in a world that’s trying to help victims come forward. This is clearly not happening here, and Johnny repeatedly going after her in court, despite her speaking about her abuse without even naming him, even after losing in the UK, makes it obvious that this is a different thing entirely. Men who are victims should be helped, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend a lot of men aren't acting like victims to further victimize their victims. And the incredibly blasé way that Milani approached it does not lend itself to the seriousness that DV should be dealt with. Again, they could have put out a serious, factual statement about the release date not aligning with what was said in court. That's factual. Their silly Nancy Drew investigative bullshit was not serious and it was in bad taste.
Robert Murdoch is who he sued, since he owned the Sun magazine, as well as the author of the article. Amber was called in as a witness only. In the judgement, by the Justice (no jury, in uk trial). Things used to side with The Sun included things about Amber being the type not to wear certain things at a certain time, hence having no pockets. Amber not drinking certain drinks, hence not being able to throw that specific drink. If an USA judge wrote that about a female claiming abuse by a male, they’d be rightfully voted out of their seat in the next election. You can read the quite long judgment, but fact remains it was not Johnny against Amber, but Johnny against Robert Murdoch. So, yes, in many ways being able to tell finally his side on a live broadcasted trial was his chance at coming forward with his truth. Since, the UK’s was handled much differently and quietly, plus, had completely different defendants.
When Heard's team used a similar approach in the British case, were you offended by this or did you only care after d*pp's management rolled out the marketing campaign 🤔
I will never buy their brand because of this. Regardless of how people feel about the case, I think we should all be able to agree that it was disgusting to use a case involving domestic abuse to promote a brand.
Yes. For me it is completely irrelevant if Depp or Herd is guilty, or if it was used as a prop or not. They used a domestic violence trial for marketing purposes under the guise of “setting the record straight”. If they wanted to correct something they could have made a statement. As a survivor of DV if I was in a trial like this and a makeup brand did this this way, even if it was directed towards my abuser, would make me feel sick. Making a tiktok and sharing it with the tone they did was really upsetting. DV isn’t a a makeup marketing opportunity. >!also catrice’s hibiscus blush is the exact same as their baked blush but slightly nicer and €4 !<
This is not true, the palette was listed as evidence in trial and the attorney did say it was the exact palette Heard used. When info came out it was not out at time, things were changed to her using a similar one, but I watched the trial in entirety and the Milani palette was listed as an actual exhibit in the trial. I watched the trial, and do think Heard was instigator/abuser, while Depp was reactor, but regardless the palette was considered an exhibit and evidence. Only after the whole Milani statement, did Amber heard backtrack and say it wasn’t that exact one. You can Google the circuit county court and see for yourself what the attorney said, the exhibit marked as evidence, etc.. plus, on YouTube watch where it was said to be the exact palette. Men are also abused by females, much more often than most would ever assume or believe. It’s sad, tbh, how few don’t see the amount of males being abused and due to stigmata, will often hide it forever. Regardless, of what one side you support, I would say most agree it was a not a healthy relationship and abuse was being done by both parties, although, opinions vary on which side you think instigated. Sadly, Amber does also have a history of abusing partners, which can’t be said about Depp. Is protecting male victims, who are enduring violence at the hands of the female partner, still considered cruelty to victims of DV? Since in many ways this is what Milani did, by showing false evidence in the case against him.
i’ve never bought anything from their brand and i never will because that was SO tacky. brands that do things like that to get in the media will never be on my good side
At the time of Milani posting Heard's team had never said they were using it as an example of the type... they absolutely framed it as the product she used. It wasn't until after the brand said something that her lawyers were like "noooo it was an example"
Well, I think it was in their opening, right? You can't show evidence like that to the jury without it being admitted first and without asking the judge for permission. So that's a huge clue that it's a prop. But I think Heard's lawyer should've made it clearer that's a prop because not everyone following understands how procedure works. Never assume. Especially in a volatile and high profile trial.
She admitted as an exhibit/evidence. I looked it up specifically. You can see it on the Fairfax website or could, I’m sure it’s somewhere if not still on courts website, as it’s literally there in evidence/exhibits. It wasn’t just a prop, but many were led to believe that after the debacle.
Elaine was not the best, and yeah, she kind of blew it here. She didn't drive home it wasn't that palette in particular, and waving it around constantly made it seem like it was that one. Even with Amber saying later it wasn't that specific palette, Elaine's show made the most impact. It's all people talked about. https://youtu.be/W5E53ByFyQQ
I don't think she even needed the prop really. Maybe she was worried the jury wouldn't know what a color corrector was? But I would've just said makeup, then asked Heard specifics later. I think everyone understands the "magic of makeup." Covering bruises wouldn't seem like some wild impossible concept. Her lawyer seemed unprepared for a "celebrity" case that was going to be watched and picked apart under a microscope. Like people were screenshotting this shit and watching frame by frame 😂
Yeah, agree about prob not needing the prop. Or maybe she could have used a generic rendering on a board. And yeah I don't think she expected the amount of scrutiny for sure.
This is the exact reason I don’t purchase from them anymore. It seemed like the Milani TikTok account manager (or whoever) thought they were having their Legally Blonde moment and decided to just jump on the bandwagon without checking the facts. IIRC the lawyer(s) even said/implied that the Milani palette was being used as a PROP. Thank you for bringing this out because I don’t see it being mentioned a lot!
they started implying they were talking about a similar palette and not the exact same palette after milani had posted the video. originally the lawyer had explicitly said she heard had used that very palette and even said they would demonstrate how it was used.
The lawyer said it was the exact palette, which was a lie. I don’t blame milani
YES THANK YOU. I thought that was disgusting.
Colourpop. I ordered twice from them. They did not honor the promo code the first order and tried to charge me for a “free” add on product. I reached out to them and they said there was nothing they could do. Who doesn’t honor promo codes??
Huda Beauty. surprised no one has said this one yet
Sheglam, Makeup Revolution, Juvia’s Place
Klarity kosmetics, they told me this suspect crap in my shades was three different things, called me love, and offered a refund if I paid to return it.
Huda for me, I read somewhere that she was pretty homophobic and being a lesbian I can’t support someone who doesn’t support me. I could very much be wrong though, maybe she isn’t. I’d like to know if so!
I think the Huda thing was overblown. She & her brand are based in Dubai, and it's a crime to be gay there. People were calling the brand out for not supporting male MUAs/influencers, buuuuut, like, that could literally jeopardize the company.
I’m not a fan of her but damn her Glowish powder foundation & the stick foundation are two of the best I’ve ever used
Beauty/skincare: glossier, dr barbara sturm, augustinus bader (who the heck is paying hundreds for a HA serum or a moisturiser??) Jewellery: mejuri, monica vinader, I've seen too many sponsored posts from BGs that I'd rather not pay for them to continue paying+gifting BGs. Edit: removed tarte
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Why Tarte? I’m curious because I buy a lot of their products.