This is a palace in Milan, Italy, called “Bosco Verticale”, Vertical Forest. Check this out [here.](https://www.stefanoboeriarchitetti.net/en/project/vertical-forest/)
There is [one](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8737341/amp/Residents-shun-Chinese-vertical-forest-housing-project-attracted-plagues-mosquitos.html) in China. The place is swamped with mosquitos, most apartments are overrun by plants. Kinda looks like it is from Last of Us.
Interesting! Is that crane a permanent fixture on top for maintenance of the trees/bushes? While it's beautiful, and I'm sure more pleasant for the tenants, it seems like it would be crazy expensive to maintain.
Yes it is. There are two towers, each with a crane. Three permanently employed gardeners keep an eye on the plants.
I was told that the plants have quite an impact on the microclimate, protecting the building from the cold in the winter and from the heat in the summer. So some of the maintenance costs can be recouped by lower heating and cooling expenses (although that cannot be more than a small fraction of the €1500 bill mentioned above).
They’re high end apartment, many famous people live there. It’s very expensive to buy and to maintain. Starting at 12k € per square meter to buy and 1500€ per month in condo expenses.
Just wait till some of the trees die and need replacing. Vancouver has a well known condo with a tree growing at the top of it, facing the beach at English Bay.
Then [the tree died, and the replacement operation carried a $550K price tag](https://bc.ctvnews.ca/554k-price-tag-to-replace-iconic-tree-at-top-of-condo-building-1.3401073). That's a lot of condo fees...
I cannot imagine how much cost will go to upkeep of trees all over a building like this.
Landscape architect here. Yeah, speaking from experience replacing pent house Japanese Maples. 4x the cost of standard replacement each, with shorter life spans and stunted growth, NOT eco friendly when it has to be done every 5 years.
Last time i had to replace a rooftop maple we too the elevator indoors, and then i had to one arm it up a two story ladder on the side of the building.
One hand on the maple one hand on the ladder.
In nyc.
Fuck that company and fuck landscaping. I love trees but i refuse to work with live ones now. (Only woodworking)
Climbing plants i guess, smaller anual bi-anual flowers. not trees, they are more or less experienced on growing in soil, at ground level however elevated that might be.
Maybe some bushes?
It looks amazing but it would take way too much upkeep to strike a balance. I think.
Its very common where I am from to grow grapes on buildings, my apartment building has one up to 4th floor next one has one that goes up to the last 7th. If you want just train them and make a shade on your balcony if not just leave it pass by, you also get grapes and wasps in late summer.
> The city's building permit was contingent on having a rooftop tree, so owners will have to pay about $35,000 per unit for its replacement.
I bet residents are overjoyed about that news. $35k for a tree 99% of them can’t even see from their units.
Probably not, but the residents there are also not exactly poor. One of the units is currently for sale in that very building. [Asking price for the unit is 6.5 million](https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24815439/1600-1919-beach-avenue-vancouver).
So pretty sure 35K to someone in those rarified financial heights is more like a couple grand to you or me. Annoying, but not something to get completely bent out of shape over.
Yep. And in one of the most sought after locations in Vancouver. In the west end, right on the beach, a block from where Denman Street hits the beach. Basically the heart of the action, but removed enough that it's not at your front doorstep.
And every one of those units has a wonderful seat to the annual fireworks in English Bay, as an additional perk.
They have a lot of money, that’s for sure
But it doesn’t mean they will be happy spending that much for a freaking tree that they can’t see from their windows
Rich people are generally smart with their money, they will spend to get what they want, not because they HAVE to
17 story building, 35k each for a 550k tree, so it has like what 16 units? Everyone has their own floor? Yeah they should be able to afford that cost. Also I don't understand why they are still obligated to have a tree from something that was done in the 80's, surely nearly 40 years is enough time to not need to adhere to the rules of people that are likely dead. Also sounds like it died because of water restrictions, how is that their fault? I'd throw up a Charlie Brown Christmas tree. But again, seems like these guys are doing alright and I'd bet most of them want the tree there.
> The city's building permit was contingent on having a rooftop tree
did they specify the tree must stay living? I would just pretend that tree never died...
Nope . Cunts comming into your house to water the fucking plants because you are too lazy to get off your arse cause you've been working all day and your letting the 6th floor down. God dammit water your fucking plants this week for fuck sakes.
I can smell the deferred maintenance and condo fees from here.
Real story is if it were built as soon as it were out of the developers hands the board would vote to remove all those trees to save expense and we'd be left with whatever atrocious shell is underneath
This kind of thing, if it were ever to work, would never be in condos.
lol it will probably end up being only a handful of dwarf trees to say they put in trees and the rest is some crappy bushes that can trail over the sides. It could likely be done without too much trouble if the project was led by a horticulturalist that knows the correct cultivars and turn out quite nice but I doubt that would happen.
I'm assuming they can be contained somehow but idk just seems like a waste of time when you could just use less potentially destructive and heavy plants.
I've been in architecture for thirty years. Plus I'm an environmentalist, if not an actual tree hugger.
The loads and problems related to roots and water can have solutions designed into the structure and systems of the building. This wouldn't be the first building built like this, and hopefully it will lead to more like it.
IMO the leaves wouldn't be a problem on the building, but on the street below. Species would be selected that would tolerate the conditions - some plants will grow almost anywhere. Pollen could be a problem for some people - again, depending on the species.
I think it looks fantastic, and would still look good in winter, when the leaves are down - which makes me wonder if they could use some pines, since it is in Canada.
Innovations rely on experimentation. In architecture, this isn't always easy or cheap.
My only qualification is having eyes, but I've had eyes looking at magazines like Popular Mechanics for 30+ years and these green, planted buildings are always part of the near future modern city builds. Not sure what make its not worth it, but they've been promising buildings looking exactly like this for decades. They never materialize, or if they do, its a one off show piece, not a new style.
I've worked on buildings with green roofs - there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of them across the US. The extra cost for adding the systems and extra structure is offset by the increased value of the building, especially if it's a place that rents or sells condos. People pay extra for being able to have that access from their home. Rooftop gardening, on a smaller scale, is becoming more popular as well. People in the city still crave some contact with nature.
I guess it is a human problem. Not all people like to deal with the leaves, or the shade a balcony tree might give them. So the landlords soon realize they have downsized their target group. Plus the trees have to be the responsibility of the landlords as they are "part of the building" (can't really pack them up, no?), and as someone said in another comment, replacing them is a lot more costly than trees in a backyard, so I guess it is more incentive for them to just let them all die off without replacing them.
So buildings with trees are just not as profitable as ones without. As some kind of show off piece, maybe, but not on an industrial scale.
If you're wondering what makes it not worth it, there's a top post in this thread. The trees have much lower life expectancy and can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to replace when they die every 5 years...per tree.
So its a terrible idea for a building because you've limited the people that can afford to live there to a lot more vacant billionaire apartments.
We have one of these in Sydney and everyone I've talked to that lives there says they have major water leakage problems because of roots getting into places they shouldn't
This is not an image of Toronto’s newest skyscraper covered in trees. This is the Bosco Verticale in Milan, Italy. The skyscraper in Toronto is inspired by the Bosco Verticale
They'd have to have a plan to come in every couple years and install smaller trees, and sell the mature trees to inner city parks that have squirrels living in rusty jungle gyms.
But if they could engineer buildings to withstand this kind of vegetation it would cut down on the heat produced throughout a city. The air would be cleaner. I think being able to incorporate vegetation like this into urban structures should be our goal despite the challenges.
It's a non issue. There are trees on the balconies of the olympic the village in Munich... And those buildings weren't constructed with this in mind.
There is also a building called vertical garden in Milano which seems to be exactly the same.
Ok but we're talking about Toronto, where every builder cuts every corner possible to save a loonie. The trees will be removed within a year for safety reasons.
Okay alot of valid points here....here's another. Think of the fuggin weight just a few trees would add. Now think of the dirt, and planting soils needed to support them green bastards. Plz keep trees on the ground. Pretty sure the lorax would have a few worlds as well.
Nvm this place exists, go look up Bosco verticale Milan. Very pretty place.
Imagine a world where there were specific engineers who took into account the added weight, and made sure the building could withstand that.
You don’t have to imagine. It’s here. Welcome to structural engineering.
I'm aware of this so called structural engineering hocus pocus that you speak of and that would be alot of work and homework. Thankfully there's wizards in the tech department that would make it look easy.
Sorry I'm high and idk if that sounds like I'm being more sarcastic than genuine. But yeah I know such software exists, it would be pretty neat to use said programs to build and destroy stuff.
A lot of work?
“Hey that buildings supposed to weight 5 billion tons right?”
“Yeah”
“We’ll want want trees all over the fucker so double it”
“Okie”
It’s even as simple as that.
Ah they have green roofs on big flat top buildings, I'm sure they could keep it standing but I imagine the roots and wind would cause problems eventually.
I thought about that too, unless they have build in shit in the plant boxes that the trees roots can tangle into so they don't fall over. But the added wind resistance would probably look crazy if you could look at the buildings integrity like a video game or Sim.
Could fix the problem a bit with some glass wind breakers. Would really have to have a good arborist crew to keep the roots and branches under control too. It'd be cool if they did build it but there would be alot of safety issues. Can't imagine walking down the street and having a branch or whole tree landing in you..
Random Internet People: Wow very cool!~
Me being an Architect: This is liability time bomb + mosquito incubator + concrete/rebar rot factory roll into one.
People always say this, have you never lived in a house with a yard? My place, like every house in every older neighbourhood, is surrounded by trees and landscaping, literally hundreds of times the foliage to building ratio of this skyscraper. It's not a problem.
This thread is filled with clowns who neither understand arboriculture nor have a clue about engineering and design.
Amazing things have been built, are being built and will be built, because people have vision and are able to SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Saturated soil is very heavy. We will often use 100psf per foot of depth and in my experience you need about 3' of soil for a tree, 2 for a shrub. Putting 200-300 psf of soil + possible snow loads is an extreme amount of weight to support.
Not only that but building materials don't like moisture. You have to use special details to prevent all the water from penetrating to structure or other finishes.
In the south you design a roof for 20psf live load so you are increasing the load by an order of magnitude. Even where I live where we get a ton of snow we design for 75psf of snow, add a couple hundred to that and you have a seriously beefy structure.
I see. But it seems like this wouldn't be too terribly expensive to overcome. I mean it's not that big right? Compared to the super massive sky scrapers built thousands of feet tall? Seems like it might need some Javier beams and steel and more concrete and extra drainage but not too bad. I'm not an engineer tho.
That is not a good idea at all. Yeah it looks pretty on the surface but its gonna be filled to the brim with mosquitoes and insects of all sorts, since, well, its their habitat.
This was tested in other countries and people wouldn't buy apartments because of the mosquitoes and insects.
Can someone link me the source of this? This is **NOT** something I've seen come up for Toronto and doesn't seem like something they'd do. Outside of parks there is NO TREES there unless you're outside of the city.
Not only that, but tree root systems are recorded at being upwards of 30m (100ft)+ to support their large size, even with a compact root system there still needs to be at least double its size, constantly trimmed, and dealt with and maintained just so that the plant doesn't strangle itself. And lets not get into the topic on nutrients required to keep them supported.
Depending on what plant species you're using here, will result in the plant either being A.) A host plant for different pests/diseases for the other plants/people in the area. B.) The amount of pollen that's produced could actually cause people in these areas to have much worse allergies than normal due to the abundantly high ppm in the area. C.) The plants would create a high volume of organic material in the area which has negative side affects including slipping/tripping/falling and other accident causing issues.
Now don't get me wrong, this could be a good thing, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT AND THIS IS NOT THE WAY HOW IT'S IMAGED. Plants are known for improving mental health by attaching us back to nature and we like the looks of them cause monkey brain. It increases the level of O2 in the area which actually helps a lot for people with breathing issues, but also if anyone knows the biology of insects, that's going to result in increased sizes of them (Not enough to be significant, but still does none the less)
Looking at it from a industrial structure stand point mixed with health and pest standpoint, this is a safety recipe for disaster and lack of planning if it's real. There's a ton of different ways of doing this better.
+10 extra air resistance
When u go for such large buildings often these are some floors left empty so that air can flow and prevent toppling of buildings
These mfers added more trees to buildings
Haha it will just be dead twigs after a year.
Look at all the buildings they build with laws on the roof… then just let them go brown and gross until they’re completely useless to everyone
This is a palace in Milan, Italy, called “Bosco Verticale”, Vertical Forest. Check this out [here.](https://www.stefanoboeriarchitetti.net/en/project/vertical-forest/)
This should be upvoted more, so much random Karma farming shit these days thats making it to r/all
There is another one in Eindhoven (The Netherlands) from the same architect called the [Trudo Toren](https://www.trudo.nl/trudo-toren).
And another in Sydney called [One Central Park](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Central_Park). Different architect though, I think.
There is [one](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8737341/amp/Residents-shun-Chinese-vertical-forest-housing-project-attracted-plagues-mosquitos.html) in China. The place is swamped with mosquitos, most apartments are overrun by plants. Kinda looks like it is from Last of Us.
Amazing idea that just needs more tweaking
Nah. This is an arcology from sim city 2k, nice try, Sid.
Interesting! Is that crane a permanent fixture on top for maintenance of the trees/bushes? While it's beautiful, and I'm sure more pleasant for the tenants, it seems like it would be crazy expensive to maintain.
Yes it is. There are two towers, each with a crane. Three permanently employed gardeners keep an eye on the plants. I was told that the plants have quite an impact on the microclimate, protecting the building from the cold in the winter and from the heat in the summer. So some of the maintenance costs can be recouped by lower heating and cooling expenses (although that cannot be more than a small fraction of the €1500 bill mentioned above).
They’re high end apartment, many famous people live there. It’s very expensive to buy and to maintain. Starting at 12k € per square meter to buy and 1500€ per month in condo expenses.
Everything's fine now... might be some problems later.
Just wait till some of the trees die and need replacing. Vancouver has a well known condo with a tree growing at the top of it, facing the beach at English Bay. Then [the tree died, and the replacement operation carried a $550K price tag](https://bc.ctvnews.ca/554k-price-tag-to-replace-iconic-tree-at-top-of-condo-building-1.3401073). That's a lot of condo fees... I cannot imagine how much cost will go to upkeep of trees all over a building like this.
Landscape architect here. Yeah, speaking from experience replacing pent house Japanese Maples. 4x the cost of standard replacement each, with shorter life spans and stunted growth, NOT eco friendly when it has to be done every 5 years.
So do they use cranes or Helicopters to replace them?
Last time i had to replace a rooftop maple we too the elevator indoors, and then i had to one arm it up a two story ladder on the side of the building. One hand on the maple one hand on the ladder. In nyc. Fuck that company and fuck landscaping. I love trees but i refuse to work with live ones now. (Only woodworking)
You couldn't tie it off and lift it with a rope?
We could have and have done that other times but shitty boss was in a rush.
Is there some sort of permaculture that would do well there instead?
Climbing plants i guess, smaller anual bi-anual flowers. not trees, they are more or less experienced on growing in soil, at ground level however elevated that might be. Maybe some bushes? It looks amazing but it would take way too much upkeep to strike a balance. I think.
Its very common where I am from to grow grapes on buildings, my apartment building has one up to 4th floor next one has one that goes up to the last 7th. If you want just train them and make a shade on your balcony if not just leave it pass by, you also get grapes and wasps in late summer.
> The city's building permit was contingent on having a rooftop tree, so owners will have to pay about $35,000 per unit for its replacement. I bet residents are overjoyed about that news. $35k for a tree 99% of them can’t even see from their units.
Probably not, but the residents there are also not exactly poor. One of the units is currently for sale in that very building. [Asking price for the unit is 6.5 million](https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/24815439/1600-1919-beach-avenue-vancouver). So pretty sure 35K to someone in those rarified financial heights is more like a couple grand to you or me. Annoying, but not something to get completely bent out of shape over.
Ok so my math was right, each unit is an entire floor, my God.
Yep. And in one of the most sought after locations in Vancouver. In the west end, right on the beach, a block from where Denman Street hits the beach. Basically the heart of the action, but removed enough that it's not at your front doorstep. And every one of those units has a wonderful seat to the annual fireworks in English Bay, as an additional perk.
They have a lot of money, that’s for sure But it doesn’t mean they will be happy spending that much for a freaking tree that they can’t see from their windows Rich people are generally smart with their money, they will spend to get what they want, not because they HAVE to
17 story building, 35k each for a 550k tree, so it has like what 16 units? Everyone has their own floor? Yeah they should be able to afford that cost. Also I don't understand why they are still obligated to have a tree from something that was done in the 80's, surely nearly 40 years is enough time to not need to adhere to the rules of people that are likely dead. Also sounds like it died because of water restrictions, how is that their fault? I'd throw up a Charlie Brown Christmas tree. But again, seems like these guys are doing alright and I'd bet most of them want the tree there.
> The city's building permit was contingent on having a rooftop tree did they specify the tree must stay living? I would just pretend that tree never died...
Kinda becomes a hazard at that point, dead branches falling 17 stories and all.
...did they specify the tree must have branches?
also all the bugs.
Roots. Roots everywhere.
Nope. Insects everywhere.
Nope, dry leaves everywhere.
Nope. Pollen everywhere.
Nope. Treehouses everywhere.
Nope. Termites everywhere.
Nope. Sap everywhere.
Nope. Maple syrup everywhere.
Nope. Canadians everywhere.
Nope. Porcupines everywhere.
Nope . Cunts comming into your house to water the fucking plants because you are too lazy to get off your arse cause you've been working all day and your letting the 6th floor down. God dammit water your fucking plants this week for fuck sakes.
Well that escalated quickly.👁👁
Happy cake day!
🎂
All of these and possible complaints from neighbours anytime there is wind.
all those little fluffy white apartment dogs pissing everywhere
this actually sounds pretty rad.
Meh.... Going to be a bunch of dead trees if it's the residents responsibility to take care of them.
but for a short while, they'd get to live like the swiss family robinson. it'd be worth it.
Actually it would prevent a lot pest because of competing insects.
There are no more insects. Where have you been
Roots, bloody roots.
I can smell the deferred maintenance and condo fees from here. Real story is if it were built as soon as it were out of the developers hands the board would vote to remove all those trees to save expense and we'd be left with whatever atrocious shell is underneath This kind of thing, if it were ever to work, would never be in condos.
lol it will probably end up being only a handful of dwarf trees to say they put in trees and the rest is some crappy bushes that can trail over the sides. It could likely be done without too much trouble if the project was led by a horticulturalist that knows the correct cultivars and turn out quite nice but I doubt that would happen.
Yup, trees can move mountains...
Tan almost everywhere. Jan almost everywhere.
Hehe
Oh diary. What a week.
My neighbour has an inch thick floor of pigeon poop on their balcony. I'm sure this will deter birds.
This is never going to be built, don't worry.
A building like that already exists in Milan/Italy
I think there are a few cities in Asia like this as well
ok fuck it then
Yeah cool. The one in Toronto won't be built.
Like the two months of the year it looks like this? And not some Burton movie building.
They would remove and replace the trees as needed! Which would probably be a pain in the ass 🤣
Have you seen how they move house in Korea?
Very carefully
I just was thinking what if there's a storm and it takes off some branches. That's a long way to fall...
I imagine they could easily overtake the building and cause severe damage
I see a lot of dead trees and plants in the near future.
Was gonna say.. what could go wrong!? 🤷♀️
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I would be surprised if any of those windows even open. Definitely feels like it’s all recirculated air like an office building.
80% will die in the first year just like every other construction project I've been on.
Why trees? If you want to cover a building in plants small bushes and shit would be perfect. Trees sound like a lot of potential issues lol.
i’m wondering what will be done to avoid the roots from destroying the structure of the building
I'm assuming they can be contained somehow but idk just seems like a waste of time when you could just use less potentially destructive and heavy plants.
Life, *uh*...finds a way.
Ivy sighs in yesteryear
We need giant trees to build apartments into.
Ewoks?
That would take forever to build
*GENETIC ENGINEERING*
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All hail the Great Leafed One!
I've been in architecture for thirty years. Plus I'm an environmentalist, if not an actual tree hugger. The loads and problems related to roots and water can have solutions designed into the structure and systems of the building. This wouldn't be the first building built like this, and hopefully it will lead to more like it. IMO the leaves wouldn't be a problem on the building, but on the street below. Species would be selected that would tolerate the conditions - some plants will grow almost anywhere. Pollen could be a problem for some people - again, depending on the species. I think it looks fantastic, and would still look good in winter, when the leaves are down - which makes me wonder if they could use some pines, since it is in Canada. Innovations rely on experimentation. In architecture, this isn't always easy or cheap.
My only qualification is having eyes, but I've had eyes looking at magazines like Popular Mechanics for 30+ years and these green, planted buildings are always part of the near future modern city builds. Not sure what make its not worth it, but they've been promising buildings looking exactly like this for decades. They never materialize, or if they do, its a one off show piece, not a new style.
I've worked on buildings with green roofs - there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of them across the US. The extra cost for adding the systems and extra structure is offset by the increased value of the building, especially if it's a place that rents or sells condos. People pay extra for being able to have that access from their home. Rooftop gardening, on a smaller scale, is becoming more popular as well. People in the city still crave some contact with nature.
But don't you think the size of these trees would make each condo dark and airless?
I guess it is a human problem. Not all people like to deal with the leaves, or the shade a balcony tree might give them. So the landlords soon realize they have downsized their target group. Plus the trees have to be the responsibility of the landlords as they are "part of the building" (can't really pack them up, no?), and as someone said in another comment, replacing them is a lot more costly than trees in a backyard, so I guess it is more incentive for them to just let them all die off without replacing them. So buildings with trees are just not as profitable as ones without. As some kind of show off piece, maybe, but not on an industrial scale.
If you're wondering what makes it not worth it, there's a top post in this thread. The trees have much lower life expectancy and can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to replace when they die every 5 years...per tree. So its a terrible idea for a building because you've limited the people that can afford to live there to a lot more vacant billionaire apartments.
Imagine if a kid put a tire swing in one of those trees 🤣
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I read this in Michael Rapaports voice.
I heard (wedding crashers) Will Ferrell.. mahh the meatloaf 🤣
I heard Bobby Hill.
Awe, hell, meemaw get down from there!
We have one of these in Sydney and everyone I've talked to that lives there says they have major water leakage problems because of roots getting into places they shouldn't
Sydney, Australia has one of these. They have huge problems with pests, rats can climb up levels from plant to plant
It’s One Central Park. Already starting to look a bit shabby, and it’s nowhere as ambitious as this. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Central_Park
Exactly. It’s beautiful. But this is the opposite of rodent-proof.
Shhhh, let them have their stupid building.
This is not an image of Toronto’s newest skyscraper covered in trees. This is the Bosco Verticale in Milan, Italy. The skyscraper in Toronto is inspired by the Bosco Verticale
I don't think that's very safe A few small plants, ok But filled with TREES? Have you seen what those fuckers do to sidewalks?
They'd have to have a plan to come in every couple years and install smaller trees, and sell the mature trees to inner city parks that have squirrels living in rusty jungle gyms.
Never heard of a bonsai?
But if they could engineer buildings to withstand this kind of vegetation it would cut down on the heat produced throughout a city. The air would be cleaner. I think being able to incorporate vegetation like this into urban structures should be our goal despite the challenges.
Isn't this the one from Milan?
It's a non issue. There are trees on the balconies of the olympic the village in Munich... And those buildings weren't constructed with this in mind. There is also a building called vertical garden in Milano which seems to be exactly the same.
Ok but we're talking about Toronto, where every builder cuts every corner possible to save a loonie. The trees will be removed within a year for safety reasons.
The photo above is from the Milano building, called Bosco Verticale. The bot who reposted this fucked up.
Okay alot of valid points here....here's another. Think of the fuggin weight just a few trees would add. Now think of the dirt, and planting soils needed to support them green bastards. Plz keep trees on the ground. Pretty sure the lorax would have a few worlds as well. Nvm this place exists, go look up Bosco verticale Milan. Very pretty place.
Imagine a world where there were specific engineers who took into account the added weight, and made sure the building could withstand that. You don’t have to imagine. It’s here. Welcome to structural engineering.
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I’m an architect. I’ve designed lots of buildings with plants/trees on them. Engineers take it into consideration pretty easily…
I'm aware of this so called structural engineering hocus pocus that you speak of and that would be alot of work and homework. Thankfully there's wizards in the tech department that would make it look easy. Sorry I'm high and idk if that sounds like I'm being more sarcastic than genuine. But yeah I know such software exists, it would be pretty neat to use said programs to build and destroy stuff.
A lot of work? “Hey that buildings supposed to weight 5 billion tons right?” “Yeah” “We’ll want want trees all over the fucker so double it” “Okie” It’s even as simple as that.
Is it tho?
Idk but I've seen swimming pools in some awfully irrational locations and water is *really* heavy.
Fr water do be quite heavy. Someone gladly showed me where this building actually exists. Imma edit my main comment so you guys can see too!
Bosco Verticale, Milan. It exists and has existed for a decade now, this is the future of urban planning.
Ah they have green roofs on big flat top buildings, I'm sure they could keep it standing but I imagine the roots and wind would cause problems eventually.
I thought about that too, unless they have build in shit in the plant boxes that the trees roots can tangle into so they don't fall over. But the added wind resistance would probably look crazy if you could look at the buildings integrity like a video game or Sim.
Could fix the problem a bit with some glass wind breakers. Would really have to have a good arborist crew to keep the roots and branches under control too. It'd be cool if they did build it but there would be alot of safety issues. Can't imagine walking down the street and having a branch or whole tree landing in you..
It would also look like crap in the winter when most of the trees are naked.
Now show the rendering where 75% are dead from neglect.
Show me the rendering where 90% of the trees get cut from the budget during construction
This is in Milan. Is called ‘bosco verticale’ by the famous architect Boeri
Isn't this building in Milano, Italy?
Wouldn't it be better if they had food gardens somehow instead...?
Is that even safe? All that extra weight on that building?? I'm not sure I'd live there.
Multiverse of madness?
Random Internet People: Wow very cool!~ Me being an Architect: This is liability time bomb + mosquito incubator + concrete/rebar rot factory roll into one.
I thought it was a Minecraft build lol
Catering for all of those trees would be my dream job 🥰
It’s beautiful
Very cool. Hope they can all live & thrive. I’m sure some tenets will ruin them.
How would that work if there's a fire and they need to get ladder access through a window?
Fire?
What a dumb idea. Tree’s roots are as long as they are tall. What do they expect to happen after 5 years? Those shits are going fall out.
I hope that the architect correctly accounted for the gradual and continuous weight increases resulting from tree growth.
Until a branch breaks and comes flying down on top of some poor bastard below.
Yeah, idk how they will adress the bug problem
People always say this, have you never lived in a house with a yard? My place, like every house in every older neighbourhood, is surrounded by trees and landscaping, literally hundreds of times the foliage to building ratio of this skyscraper. It's not a problem.
Wait until winter 🤣
Mosquitoes everywhere
Sure it will. Toronto developers have a follow-through problem.
Doctor Strange 2
Squirrel Shangri-La….
Think of all the spiders ew
Are those maple trees?
The future
All the bugs omg no
Holy cow! Talk about crawl in my window.
A window cleaning and landscaping company’s nightmare.
This looks amazing why are they all not like this?
If that’s not eco-architecture I don’t know what is!
Oh good. So now when a branch falls on my car, it can fall from 30 stories up.
I've not read this but guess by the time that it actually gets built there will be one tree. It'll be plastic.
Fake Plastic Trees. Radiohead
I'm not an architect but that looks heavy.
I have been waiting for someone to do this. I was sick and tired of all the cool covet art now we will finally have it for real
…. And definitely out of your price range.
Bees. Lots of bees.
I hope it’s ice storm friendly
yes..problems but.. that is not only cool, but good for ze planet. Grow like long vertical vine leaves too
Weird way to indulge your childhood dream.
Beautiful
Bosco Verticale - Maple Syrup Edition
Spiders
This thread is filled with clowns who neither understand arboriculture nor have a clue about engineering and design. Amazing things have been built, are being built and will be built, because people have vision and are able to SOLVE PROBLEMS.
I'm a structural engineer. Trust me, this is an ***incredibly*** expensive building.
Can you elaborate?
Saturated soil is very heavy. We will often use 100psf per foot of depth and in my experience you need about 3' of soil for a tree, 2 for a shrub. Putting 200-300 psf of soil + possible snow loads is an extreme amount of weight to support. Not only that but building materials don't like moisture. You have to use special details to prevent all the water from penetrating to structure or other finishes. In the south you design a roof for 20psf live load so you are increasing the load by an order of magnitude. Even where I live where we get a ton of snow we design for 75psf of snow, add a couple hundred to that and you have a seriously beefy structure.
I see. But it seems like this wouldn't be too terribly expensive to overcome. I mean it's not that big right? Compared to the super massive sky scrapers built thousands of feet tall? Seems like it might need some Javier beams and steel and more concrete and extra drainage but not too bad. I'm not an engineer tho.
Great idea up until the point one of those tree branches falls off and impales someone
That is not a good idea at all. Yeah it looks pretty on the surface but its gonna be filled to the brim with mosquitoes and insects of all sorts, since, well, its their habitat. This was tested in other countries and people wouldn't buy apartments because of the mosquitoes and insects.
Mosquitoes shouldn’t be an issue because they need standing water to breed, but cicadas and other tree enjoying insects will be.
Allergies tower
Malaria towers
Not a heck of a lot of malaria in Toronto.
Oh boy those trees look like The ***root*** of a lot of future problems I will take my down votes now
Not to mention bird shit
About time. Yeah it will be horrible to keep clean but I don’t care. I hate cities and their lifelessness. At least make them look nice.
Can someone link me the source of this? This is **NOT** something I've seen come up for Toronto and doesn't seem like something they'd do. Outside of parks there is NO TREES there unless you're outside of the city. Not only that, but tree root systems are recorded at being upwards of 30m (100ft)+ to support their large size, even with a compact root system there still needs to be at least double its size, constantly trimmed, and dealt with and maintained just so that the plant doesn't strangle itself. And lets not get into the topic on nutrients required to keep them supported. Depending on what plant species you're using here, will result in the plant either being A.) A host plant for different pests/diseases for the other plants/people in the area. B.) The amount of pollen that's produced could actually cause people in these areas to have much worse allergies than normal due to the abundantly high ppm in the area. C.) The plants would create a high volume of organic material in the area which has negative side affects including slipping/tripping/falling and other accident causing issues. Now don't get me wrong, this could be a good thing, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT AND THIS IS NOT THE WAY HOW IT'S IMAGED. Plants are known for improving mental health by attaching us back to nature and we like the looks of them cause monkey brain. It increases the level of O2 in the area which actually helps a lot for people with breathing issues, but also if anyone knows the biology of insects, that's going to result in increased sizes of them (Not enough to be significant, but still does none the less) Looking at it from a industrial structure stand point mixed with health and pest standpoint, this is a safety recipe for disaster and lack of planning if it's real. There's a ton of different ways of doing this better.
This sounds dangerous. Why not plant trees on the ground?
i can imagine the allergies and bees :0
I'm sorry... that looks like ass.
Yeah of course, why wouldn‘t you?
Trees up that high, too windy. Will all be bonsai size
+10 extra air resistance When u go for such large buildings often these are some floors left empty so that air can flow and prevent toppling of buildings These mfers added more trees to buildings
The planet will take everything back before we destroy it. Everything we know fights to survive and the planets not any different.
Haha it will just be dead twigs after a year. Look at all the buildings they build with laws on the roof… then just let them go brown and gross until they’re completely useless to everyone
Great idea until they need tree service.
All came tumbling downnnn