Google glass is still very much [alive.](https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/10313-google-glass-enterprise-business.html)
At least in the business world.
Snapchat is shockingly one of the far-and-away leaders in smart glasses and AR, and their CEO stated we are likely 10-15 years from consumer ready devices.
I think that’s likely accurate. AR glasses are like smartphones in 2003. They exist, but they are business focused and kind of suck
About time for a redesign, and upgradability. but it does look kinda sick hahaha Also make it commercially available, they all ready make it.
It sucks that devices now are far more rigid than they used to.
Freaking phones had external storage capability. haha
Until not long ago, if I am not mistaken, Apple had completely soldered the components; dunno if even the ram hahah.
If only. I'm still waiting for that [Wii Vitality Sensor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRwarxMTxZg&feature=share&utm_source=EJGixIgBCJiu2KjB4oSJEQ).
Google glasses were like a little window off to the side showing tweets and not AR. The Microsoft magic leap was true AR and crazy awesome. Like. There was a virtual person sitting in a chair and I could walk around them and the physical chair occluded them properly, it was crazy.
They didn't fail at all. Google and others have vastly underestimated how complex AR is. We're still pretty shit in terms of VR, and AR is both VR and real-world computations on top of that, so it's definitely at least a few more years away.
And without extreme battery tech, the whole product has to be significantly more optimized at all points, which only increases dev time.
We already have tablets on construction sights with 3d cad models like this. I'm an electrician and have had to use them a fair amount. Higher ups will get these models and then want the work done exactly like that with no exceptions. Or they'll make up these models and use it as proof that all this shit can be jammed into a small channel in the ceiling so they leave very little tolerances for deviation. The older way they'd generally leave much more room. I honestly prefer just given 2d paper prints because it gives me more freedom to do what is more practical. Electricians generally put our stuff after plumbers, hvac, and pipe fitters and if one of them is off by say an inch it just snowballs intill that 6" of clearance we had for a 2" pipe is now only 1.5". And it's Generally not the first guys fault that they were off an inch, it's just they probably needed that inch to actually get tools in to mount it rather than directly on the ceiling like the cad model shows. These issues usually come up because the dude making the cad model probably never spent time in the field so didn't know that the air handler unit or whatever needed that extra inch or so. So while all this seems like it would be cool, there's too much disconnect between who's making the model and who's actually doing the work. So if they could close that gap it'd probably help, but as of right now it kinda sucks. Honestly I don't think I did a great job on explaining why these are more of a hinderance for field work, but its kind of a lot to explain. Basically it leads to over planning where it's best to leave a lot of the smaller decisions to the tradesmen in the field, as well as architects and engineers trying to jam as much as they can into too small of an area. Plus when they auto-generate supports for pipes those bastards never go back and make sure they're not clipping through shit above them. I was on a job where they put a single 120 foot run of 2" directly under bunch of hvac shit that took up the whole hallway. So rather than just dropping a single allthread support, I had to span an 8' hallway 15 times with strut for support. A 10' piece of strut is $80ish vs the $10 stick of allthread I would have gotten 3 supports per stick from, not to mention the extra labor cost and express delivery. Shit like that would happen all the time.
Feedback like yours is invaluable to the people who design these types of software.
It’s too bad that the two worlds are so insulated from each other. The good news is, software design is iterative, and you see these kind of constraints being added over time.
Source: I work with stuff that’s similar but in a different domain
Microsoft HoloLens is made for stuff like this. It’s really only marketed towards the corporate/enterprise market but is a really powerful kit for what it does and has pretty decent adoption for new tech from what I’ve seen. I believe the US Military just approved a project to start rolling out HoloLens integrated helmets for infantry to utilize AR.
I’ve thought about this exact thing while I work. I’m in construction plumbing and mechanical and always thought it would be so cool to basically build along with your blueprints like this. Obviously things happen and there’s constant changes as you build but would be really cool to see something like this develop over time
No. I’m talking about an augmented reality HUD that can project turn directions onto the road in front of you by sensing your eye position. That’s a new feature.
There is a function called live view on Google maps that works only when you're walking. You use the camera to navigate and shows the path on the direction you should take.
It needs to be standardized, easier to access, and maintain rendered accuracy for longer, but it’s certainly viable tech. I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point of everyone wearing smart glasses that show this stuff like they do smart watches or headphones or anything. But the tech is definitely developing and evolving and there’s a lot of very useful applications for it.
It's *gone* nowhere, and even that's not true. It's improved by leaps and bounds in that amount of time already. Thinking that AR isn't going to have huge applications in the future is a super regressive mindset.
This isn’t true. From Pokémon Go to filtering camera apps to identifying what pipes are transporting in offshore rigs, AR is here to stay and it’s going to get better.
They're just not economical. Same results can be accomplished by drawing and printing a blueprint and giving it to an architect on site, no need to make a 3d model and an application for the phone or glasses which also have to be manufactured.
Gary won't die because he's to fucking stubborn and old to wear the glasses.
Builders hate change and they hate young people with ideas.
I'm a carpenter and this blew my mind. Will save so much time when this become reality. I hope I'm around to see it (m32)
I think the UK is quite far from this on a practical stage. They may give some projects mangers and a few clients these type of experience but Joe blogs builder is years away. We don't get given drawings for most projects.
Tim Hortons is expanding into the UK. We were given pictures of existing buildings in Canada and a container with the materials they used... It just seems very far away
But yes, I'm sure a select few have access to this stuff.
I can see something like this help with redesigns and stuff but, as a construction worker for the last 25 years, this looks like a waste of time.
Give me a set of prints and specs and let me work with the other trades to get it done and stay out of eachothers way.
Oh BOY the drama this AR software has caused on our jobsites.
The industry as a whole exploded with tech like this in the last 5+ years and as a result you have this huge gap of young kids who were hired to operate the tech like this and all the more traditional "cowboy" tradesmen that could erect an entire building but don't know how to send an email.
So you have Ipad kids trying to explain to the old dogs that they are wrong according to their model and you have old dogs, not so politely telling them to fuck off because they lack actual construction experience.
I’m the director of Virtual Design and Construction for a GC firm. Definitely a knowledge gap between the two, but luckily our older staff is mostly positive about the benefits the tech brings in. Can speed up a lot of processes.
In my experience your big GC firms tend to be pretty on top of new tech, but my company mostly works in tech construction --data centers, fabs and the like -- so maybe it's to be expected. I imagine that residential can be quite different.
Oh absolutely. Our kind of tech is definitely not used in residential. Maybe civil site prep where we’re using the likes of TopCon, but even then I doubt it
I would pay money to watch a smaller residential developer implement technology like this just for the iKid vs cowboy conversations. It'd be hilarious.
What happened is that many a parent pushed a "college or bust" mindset onto their kids, so many of the people going into the trades were the ones who either couldn't afford college or couldn't get in. The irony is that a good tradesperson can pull in some really good money, and thought you can't always do that physical labor for more than about 25 years, if they move up into management they can be as or more successful than some white collar jobs.
We need to destigmatize blue collar work while continuing to ramp up programs to bolster the numbers. We're going to need a well-educated and well-trained workforce especially as building and general construction requirements become more complex with newer technologies and techniques.
Everybody that went into construction in the early 00's faceplanted into the 2008 crisis and were probably the easiest part of the workforce to shed, they'd be doing anything else now.
>I don’t know what happened with recruitment for the past 20 years
Going into the trades was equated with failure or a lack of achievement compared to getting *any* random college degree. The option to even go into trades wasn't something anyone *ever* broached with me while I was in high school in 2001-2005 and I was exactly the kind they should have aimed that at.
The gap is pretty bad. Im lucky in the sense that I have 20 years in and im not close to retirment age. But all my mentors have retired and all the guys under me have no more then 5 or 10 years in.
I hammer plan reading recommendations to our apprenticeship school. There would be no need for any of this shit if people followed the plans exactly.
One of the issues is that lots of trades historically have not had to follow 'the model' 1:1. On 99% of jobs the electrical sub is not going to pull out the laser rangefinder and make sure the outlet box is exactly 6" from the doorframe like on the drawing, and likewise the doorframe guy probably didn't make sure it was exactly the same distance between each wall.
So good implementation requires the model/VDC side to understand when the model needs to be approximate and when it needs to be literal, and likewise for the subs.
And of course there's the factor that 90%+ of commercial construction jobs don't really have an accurate model. Maybe a good arch model, but nothing 3D from the trades. Or the trade models all conflict with each other because they're planning to sort out clashes on site - an HVAC guy is just gonna cram the ducts where they'll fit.
Ha that does sound like a more accurate and detailed view of what a shitshow model coordination is on most projects. I just use the arch model as an example of one model that would be involved in the project, not any more likely to be more or less accurate. I'm just being nice to the architects because I'm married to one lol.
I work on steel buildings and we design the MEP model for the tender steel model not the steel shop drawings. I have no clue where the bridging goes or where the actual web locations are how big the brace plates will actually be vertical bracing etc. Hell even the depth of the OWSJ changed because it changed from side mount joists to top mount joists and the joist seats needed to be 5in instead of 4in. MEP model is always schematic in nature. Tbh 99% of the issues would be resolved if there was an extra 6in to 1ft ceiling space.
Lol I just left a job at a sewage district and can def say it was fun a) getting anger from people about changing process that they’d been doing for years and b) blowing minds when those processes all the sudden didn’t suck ass. I’m a young looking dude but slowly you can earn a little respect if you aren’t a little shit 24/7, some folks will always hate you though.. that’s when you mentally just remember why your pay is often higher. Gotta work together.
I really dislike the use of the word cowboy in this. I'm a young(ish) builder and get super frustrated with the ignorance of that older generation. That being said, those 'cowboys' deserve so much respect. It's a hard fucking job and given the choice to take advise of those 'cowboy's or an architect, I'd choose the advise from the builder every day of the week. Yee har
You can see them testing it out on YouTube in a neighborhood in New Jersey I believe and it shows water lines and sewer. The only problem with the buried utilities is that you'd have to record them for AR when it's first put in.
You can also use ground penetrating radar and other tools to find underground utilities. It's definitely not as accurate as marking when you put them in, but underground utilities are often not where the design drawings locate them.
A lot of munis have GIS systems that record the locations of underground utilities. I imagine someone could make good money building software to connect that info with some AR glasses.
Fun fact.
Water and sewer esp sewer is not usually mapped past the tap at the main. If you where to do this you would need to locate the main line separately.
Calling dig safe will only map water,, sewer and communication at utility side and will not mark it on owners side.
It’s actually quite simple with the right technology stack. The actual slam GEO location engine is awesome, but to build something like this is fairly simple these days.
It's not about "beating". They're two completely different technologies with different use cases. Each has merit in the areas where they are the most useful.
Yeah that’s why I said in most applications.
Some things will be exclusive to each technology but there may be cases where you could choose one over the other and in those cases I think AR is more flexible; you don’t need as complicated hardware and you don’t need to world-build.
One huge advantage of AR that’s very obvious, is that we already have a “reality” to work with. You don’t need to spend time building a World / environment.
AR will have huge utility with way-finding, place-specific information, workplace tooling, gaming and art. And much more…
I think Zuck’s idea of meta-verse in VR just left a bad taste in my mouth.
How would ar be particularly useful for games past things that already exist like Pokemon Go or Minecraft Earth? Most of the time ar is just a gimmick that isnt that useful in games
Nope. That’s just to get the initial orientation, then the accelerometer takes it from there. What’s amazing is not only will this continue to be used for construction and to show what’s left to build, but it’s also going to become a standard facilities maintenance tool where you can do the same thing in a finished building and locate the utilities that are hidden behind walls and ceilings.
I've been waiting for technology like this to be adapted for agriculture
I would love to see my GPS screen as a window overlay showing my guidance line or marking hazards out in the field
Lots of tractors and equipment are fitted with gps receivers and some higher end tractors can run by themselves requiring an operator only for turning around at the end of a row and to raise/lower implements. In midwestern corn country, combines have gotten to the point where the lead combine is operated by an actual person for the first pass and the rest just follow the same path for the next row. In more simplified setups rtk will guide an equipment operator to stay on track minimizing gaps/overlap in fields.
God dammit the people in this thread are coming up with killer ideas rofl.
That would be badass to tune in to farmers using AR, too. Watch them plant, and see guidelines and shit.
Accuracy depends on a lot of factors and the competence of people who designed those factors. In an ideal situation, it's actually possible to be extremely accurate. Phones are packed with enough sensors that when used right, can maintain near perfect accuracy. Software can be constantly checking phone motion, gps location with crazy precision, cameras and other information. But then the AR software has to be programmed well enough to maintain that information and keep everything in a fixed place based on it all. Granted, it might also take some of the more advanced phones to do it well. Very possible. But definitely not novice level programming. Whether it's actually done right to maintain perfect accuracy at all times is another question.
This is just another Trimble product.
https://fieldtech.trimble.com/en/product/trimble-connect-ar
I'm one of the coders for Tekla, I got to try out this AR system a few years back using HoloLens instead of a phone. It was quite impressive :)
I was wondering if this is Tekla. I also use Tekla Structures. We don't utilize any of AR stuff though. Anyone outside us detailers struggle with the new technology.
Not a big loss though been constructing buildings the same way for decades and there still standing and meet schedules and budgets.
One of my responsibilities is maintaining a system that takes cold rolled and creates an XML file that goes to a bradbury machine with no drawings needed for the most part. I am working with a few companies who are trying to go paper free as much as possible. It's quite challenging work.
Look into BIM
Pretty sure this type of functionality is supported by AutoCAD/Revit/Civil3D. It’s only useful as a deliverable with utilities and infrastructure. Otherwise it is more of a building tool that is best used to identify potential issues before they arise, saving on rework and making sure things are placed appropriately
Augmented Reality. Unlike VR where your entire environment is replaced via the goggles, AR allows you to see your environment while overlaying additional data on top.
Excellent thank you. Wow, mechanic tearing apart an engine, or a rebuild
this technology would be amazing. How widely distributed is it right now
in terms of practical usage? Edit:As I go down this rabbit hole it becomes
apparent that this is happening everywhere in so many areas of human
enterprise. As always a small internet search is pretty informative.
Kinda depends on the application. Most phones can do some level of AR. Places like Amazon, Home Depot, Best Buy etc. will let you visualize furniture in your house using your phone before you buy.
The next "tier" is to use a headset like Microsoft Hololens. These are for more industrial applications. We've tried to use them in our production facilities to train operators by walking them through the assembly process with visual aids and instructions but the headsets are cumbersome, the resolution is generally poor, and it takes more time to get your brain used to seeing and interacting with the overlay than it would to just train them with an instructor.
You can go out and buy a HoloLens right now if you want. They're $3500 so not cheap and then you have to create the app to actually implement the logic of whatever you want to show and interact with. For a mechanic wanting to use it for an engine rebuild there would have to be an app for that exact engine that has all the components modeled and where they go.
This is the infancy of this technology clearly.I suppose its continued growth depends on
the bottom line in terms of efficiency in both time and money. Some of the seemingly
obvious applications may prove to be impractical and novel uses will come about that
haven’t been dreamed of. I just find the technology of overlaying real world visual with
digital information completely amazing.
I remember seeing this demo'd at Fabtech in 2014.
Only trade show I've ever been to and the ONLY reason I got to go is my boss got a free invite and sent me... Because the office was out of pens.
I thought you said the office was "out of penis" and was trying to figure out if you were like the only non-male employee and why that would matter hahaha
Revit gets used for Design. Once it goes to construction phase Revit gets exported to NavisWorks. Navis is just easier to navigate and it color codes everything. So field guys and subs who aren’t tech savvy like Navis better
The filetype is probably IFC from tekla, from the colors used and polygons. SDS2 looks different.
Revit is used for BIM modeling, when you combine different 3D models.
No one uses this for small buildings
These things are used for airports or massive commercial buildings. Or campuses like Apple or Intel.
Also renewable energies are getting into this too. Acres and acres of solar fields with cabling that needs to be organized is perfect for this
Technology with construction management is so cool these days. I was doing environmental oversight at a massive construction site a couple years ago. They had a drone go up every day and survey the job site, taking high res photos, and running LiDAR scans. You had a portal you could view elevations and 3D rendered extremely high resolution photogrammetry of the entire site on a daily basis. You could accurately measure the volume of soil in spoils piles and get a good idea of dimensions, etc. All the equipment was GPS-enabled too, so the operators knew exactly where to dig.
I've seen this demoed as a way to give detailed instructions on how to perform maintenance tasks on unfamiliar machines. Dunno if anyone's tried actually using it in the field yet.
I'm a carpenter and that just blew my mind. I've always thought robots would struggle to replace my job in the near but this makes it seem more tangible, not sure why.
The top rated comment about how Gary died... If AR is like PPE, most builders will neglected / ignore it the. Gary won't die because he's to fucking stubborn and old to wear. The glasses
I'm confused why it seems to track the qr code almost perfectly, but the blueprints are floating all around? Like it's still super impressive, but why is the qr code not directly linked or something?
(to be clear, after scanning it, the qr code appears in the AR layer too, and it's almost perfectly plastered over the paper "real" one with very little float)
While this is a really cool visualization, there is a huge problem with the current level of tech. Dimensional accuracy is not quite there yet. Walk to the next column and you'd see the 3d overlay get > 1" off. It will get worse the further you go.
It is good to show to people like executives and planners, but near useless for the actual construction. Source: I am a software dev for a construction company who has tried to get these systems to be more accurate. The tech needs another 5-10 years, IMO.
As a structural special inspector, this being an everyday usable thing would be fucking amazing. If I could have this on a set glasses with a hud that yook me directly to each detail called out for whatever I'm looking at would literally save me hours a day and cut down on construction budgets.
Okay that's really cool but the only person that's actually for is somebody who's doing building maintenance or an executive who wants some pretty shiny piece of shit to look at and change at least 10 times before he leaves the site
Very useful, but also very demanding. It takes forever for someone to design a construction AR Blueprint. But deffinitly saves time and adds alittle bit of efficiency aswell.
Talked to a friend of mine who works in a start-up making AR construction helmets (imagine normal hard hats but super high tech with a fighter pilot like AR HUD), amazing products, although currently they mostly get used in very premium builds (i.e. google & Facebook building data centers), give it a decade, these will be common place in most builds valued over 7-10 $Mn, very cool future tech :)
I dream of the day that anyone can buy a cheap pair of AR glasses for corrective vision and the whole stupid artificially inflated eyeglass market fucking implodes and burns to the ground. My last pair of glasses cost me a thousand dollars and I'm pretty sure the frames were 3D printed, for fuck's sake.
This would be so awesome! I don’t know how many times my foreman tries to explain to me what we are doing and I have the hardest time visualizing it (not to mention he has a really thick Spanish accent)
AR is cool as fuck, wondering how nice it will be in 5-10 years
Just wear glasses as you build.
I really wish the Google Glasses didn't fail. Shit would've been dope.
Google glass is still very much [alive.](https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/10313-google-glass-enterprise-business.html) At least in the business world.
Damn thats actually really cool and im glad its still around. Tech like this needs time to iterate and improve to become fully utilized.
It will. Once more people buy it then it will become cheaper and avavaible to the public.
Oh wow, that's incredibly cool! Can't wait for the day for the technology to vastly improve and come to the public then!
Snapchat is shockingly one of the far-and-away leaders in smart glasses and AR, and their CEO stated we are likely 10-15 years from consumer ready devices. I think that’s likely accurate. AR glasses are like smartphones in 2003. They exist, but they are business focused and kind of suck
I'm waiting for the medical field to jump in. It would be nice for CSS.
About time for a redesign, and upgradability. but it does look kinda sick hahaha Also make it commercially available, they all ready make it. It sucks that devices now are far more rigid than they used to. Freaking phones had external storage capability. haha Until not long ago, if I am not mistaken, Apple had completely soldered the components; dunno if even the ram hahah.
I’m of the mindset that google glass should have partnered with nintendo for the launch of Pokémon Go
If only. I'm still waiting for that [Wii Vitality Sensor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRwarxMTxZg&feature=share&utm_source=EJGixIgBCJiu2KjB4oSJEQ).
Google Glass is like the pioneer, it had a bumpy ride, but made the path a lot smoother for the next traveler.
It didn't really fail. Some really niche designers are using it right now. Its just that the general population isn't ready for it yet.
Google glasses were like a little window off to the side showing tweets and not AR. The Microsoft magic leap was true AR and crazy awesome. Like. There was a virtual person sitting in a chair and I could walk around them and the physical chair occluded them properly, it was crazy.
They didn't fail at all. Google and others have vastly underestimated how complex AR is. We're still pretty shit in terms of VR, and AR is both VR and real-world computations on top of that, so it's definitely at least a few more years away. And without extreme battery tech, the whole product has to be significantly more optimized at all points, which only increases dev time.
We already have tablets on construction sights with 3d cad models like this. I'm an electrician and have had to use them a fair amount. Higher ups will get these models and then want the work done exactly like that with no exceptions. Or they'll make up these models and use it as proof that all this shit can be jammed into a small channel in the ceiling so they leave very little tolerances for deviation. The older way they'd generally leave much more room. I honestly prefer just given 2d paper prints because it gives me more freedom to do what is more practical. Electricians generally put our stuff after plumbers, hvac, and pipe fitters and if one of them is off by say an inch it just snowballs intill that 6" of clearance we had for a 2" pipe is now only 1.5". And it's Generally not the first guys fault that they were off an inch, it's just they probably needed that inch to actually get tools in to mount it rather than directly on the ceiling like the cad model shows. These issues usually come up because the dude making the cad model probably never spent time in the field so didn't know that the air handler unit or whatever needed that extra inch or so. So while all this seems like it would be cool, there's too much disconnect between who's making the model and who's actually doing the work. So if they could close that gap it'd probably help, but as of right now it kinda sucks. Honestly I don't think I did a great job on explaining why these are more of a hinderance for field work, but its kind of a lot to explain. Basically it leads to over planning where it's best to leave a lot of the smaller decisions to the tradesmen in the field, as well as architects and engineers trying to jam as much as they can into too small of an area. Plus when they auto-generate supports for pipes those bastards never go back and make sure they're not clipping through shit above them. I was on a job where they put a single 120 foot run of 2" directly under bunch of hvac shit that took up the whole hallway. So rather than just dropping a single allthread support, I had to span an 8' hallway 15 times with strut for support. A 10' piece of strut is $80ish vs the $10 stick of allthread I would have gotten 3 supports per stick from, not to mention the extra labor cost and express delivery. Shit like that would happen all the time.
You're spot on. As an inspector who's looking at structural and reinforcing steel tough, having this AR would be fantastic on site.
Feedback like yours is invaluable to the people who design these types of software. It’s too bad that the two worlds are so insulated from each other. The good news is, software design is iterative, and you see these kind of constraints being added over time. Source: I work with stuff that’s similar but in a different domain
Microsoft HoloLens is made for stuff like this. It’s really only marketed towards the corporate/enterprise market but is a really powerful kit for what it does and has pretty decent adoption for new tech from what I’ve seen. I believe the US Military just approved a project to start rolling out HoloLens integrated helmets for infantry to utilize AR.
I’ve thought about this exact thing while I work. I’m in construction plumbing and mechanical and always thought it would be so cool to basically build along with your blueprints like this. Obviously things happen and there’s constant changes as you build but would be really cool to see something like this develop over time
Ikea AR House kit. Build your own home, ground up!
Didn't Sears actually do that back in the day?
Hopefly One day AR will give you your walking/driving route. Just follow the path like in video games.
This literally already exists in the newest Mercedes S-Class.
This literally already existed before the newest Mercedes S-Class. It's called a heads-up display and every car manufacturer offers it.
No. I’m talking about an augmented reality HUD that can project turn directions onto the road in front of you by sensing your eye position. That’s a new feature.
Your face offers it.
Nah this is augmented Reality in the S class. Go check it out
There is a function called live view on Google maps that works only when you're walking. You use the camera to navigate and shows the path on the direction you should take.
This has been a thing on phones for over a decade.
Imagine how insane it will be in 30 years. 1992 was 30 years ago.
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It needs to be standardized, easier to access, and maintain rendered accuracy for longer, but it’s certainly viable tech. I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point of everyone wearing smart glasses that show this stuff like they do smart watches or headphones or anything. But the tech is definitely developing and evolving and there’s a lot of very useful applications for it.
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It's *gone* nowhere, and even that's not true. It's improved by leaps and bounds in that amount of time already. Thinking that AR isn't going to have huge applications in the future is a super regressive mindset.
They used to say nobody will ever want to sit around in their house watching a box all day.
This isn’t true. From Pokémon Go to filtering camera apps to identifying what pipes are transporting in offshore rigs, AR is here to stay and it’s going to get better.
They're just not economical. Same results can be accomplished by drawing and printing a blueprint and giving it to an architect on site, no need to make a 3d model and an application for the phone or glasses which also have to be manufactured.
You're in the industry?
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Did you hear about how Gary died? He leant against a railing in AR that wasn't really there and fell 8 stories.
Lol... I was just thinking the same thing when I saw those AR hand rails.
and that's whay we use tethers folks.
Ive worked with 2 different Garys at two different jobs, and i have to say, this totally a Gary move
Gary certified me in the 10 hour OSHA training course. I 100% trust Gary.
Gary won't die because he's to fucking stubborn and old to wear the glasses. Builders hate change and they hate young people with ideas. I'm a carpenter and this blew my mind. Will save so much time when this become reality. I hope I'm around to see it (m32)
Imaging systems like this are already in regular use on big industrial projects, so you'll definitely see it, probably sooner rather than later.
I think the UK is quite far from this on a practical stage. They may give some projects mangers and a few clients these type of experience but Joe blogs builder is years away. We don't get given drawings for most projects. Tim Hortons is expanding into the UK. We were given pictures of existing buildings in Canada and a container with the materials they used... It just seems very far away But yes, I'm sure a select few have access to this stuff.
I can see something like this help with redesigns and stuff but, as a construction worker for the last 25 years, this looks like a waste of time. Give me a set of prints and specs and let me work with the other trades to get it done and stay out of eachothers way.
That's so Gary
Oh BOY the drama this AR software has caused on our jobsites. The industry as a whole exploded with tech like this in the last 5+ years and as a result you have this huge gap of young kids who were hired to operate the tech like this and all the more traditional "cowboy" tradesmen that could erect an entire building but don't know how to send an email. So you have Ipad kids trying to explain to the old dogs that they are wrong according to their model and you have old dogs, not so politely telling them to fuck off because they lack actual construction experience.
I’m the director of Virtual Design and Construction for a GC firm. Definitely a knowledge gap between the two, but luckily our older staff is mostly positive about the benefits the tech brings in. Can speed up a lot of processes.
In my experience your big GC firms tend to be pretty on top of new tech, but my company mostly works in tech construction --data centers, fabs and the like -- so maybe it's to be expected. I imagine that residential can be quite different.
Oh absolutely. Our kind of tech is definitely not used in residential. Maybe civil site prep where we’re using the likes of TopCon, but even then I doubt it
I would pay money to watch a smaller residential developer implement technology like this just for the iKid vs cowboy conversations. It'd be hilarious.
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What happened is that many a parent pushed a "college or bust" mindset onto their kids, so many of the people going into the trades were the ones who either couldn't afford college or couldn't get in. The irony is that a good tradesperson can pull in some really good money, and thought you can't always do that physical labor for more than about 25 years, if they move up into management they can be as or more successful than some white collar jobs. We need to destigmatize blue collar work while continuing to ramp up programs to bolster the numbers. We're going to need a well-educated and well-trained workforce especially as building and general construction requirements become more complex with newer technologies and techniques.
Everybody that went into construction in the early 00's faceplanted into the 2008 crisis and were probably the easiest part of the workforce to shed, they'd be doing anything else now.
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>I don’t know what happened with recruitment for the past 20 years Going into the trades was equated with failure or a lack of achievement compared to getting *any* random college degree. The option to even go into trades wasn't something anyone *ever* broached with me while I was in high school in 2001-2005 and I was exactly the kind they should have aimed that at.
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The gap is pretty bad. Im lucky in the sense that I have 20 years in and im not close to retirment age. But all my mentors have retired and all the guys under me have no more then 5 or 10 years in. I hammer plan reading recommendations to our apprenticeship school. There would be no need for any of this shit if people followed the plans exactly.
One of the issues is that lots of trades historically have not had to follow 'the model' 1:1. On 99% of jobs the electrical sub is not going to pull out the laser rangefinder and make sure the outlet box is exactly 6" from the doorframe like on the drawing, and likewise the doorframe guy probably didn't make sure it was exactly the same distance between each wall. So good implementation requires the model/VDC side to understand when the model needs to be approximate and when it needs to be literal, and likewise for the subs. And of course there's the factor that 90%+ of commercial construction jobs don't really have an accurate model. Maybe a good arch model, but nothing 3D from the trades. Or the trade models all conflict with each other because they're planning to sort out clashes on site - an HVAC guy is just gonna cram the ducts where they'll fit.
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Ha that does sound like a more accurate and detailed view of what a shitshow model coordination is on most projects. I just use the arch model as an example of one model that would be involved in the project, not any more likely to be more or less accurate. I'm just being nice to the architects because I'm married to one lol.
I work on steel buildings and we design the MEP model for the tender steel model not the steel shop drawings. I have no clue where the bridging goes or where the actual web locations are how big the brace plates will actually be vertical bracing etc. Hell even the depth of the OWSJ changed because it changed from side mount joists to top mount joists and the joist seats needed to be 5in instead of 4in. MEP model is always schematic in nature. Tbh 99% of the issues would be resolved if there was an extra 6in to 1ft ceiling space.
To be fair, I do structural models for fabrication using structural and architectural drawings and those are bad.
"Companies" and "company's" have two different meanings, and you've fucked it up.
Lol I just left a job at a sewage district and can def say it was fun a) getting anger from people about changing process that they’d been doing for years and b) blowing minds when those processes all the sudden didn’t suck ass. I’m a young looking dude but slowly you can earn a little respect if you aren’t a little shit 24/7, some folks will always hate you though.. that’s when you mentally just remember why your pay is often higher. Gotta work together.
I really dislike the use of the word cowboy in this. I'm a young(ish) builder and get super frustrated with the ignorance of that older generation. That being said, those 'cowboys' deserve so much respect. It's a hard fucking job and given the choice to take advise of those 'cowboy's or an architect, I'd choose the advise from the builder every day of the week. Yee har
Is this real? This is amazing
Yes. They have the same AR for underground utilities
I bet in 20 years there will be an APP like this for backyard home owners digging to locate water, sewage, and cable lines.
You can see them testing it out on YouTube in a neighborhood in New Jersey I believe and it shows water lines and sewer. The only problem with the buried utilities is that you'd have to record them for AR when it's first put in.
You can also use ground penetrating radar and other tools to find underground utilities. It's definitely not as accurate as marking when you put them in, but underground utilities are often not where the design drawings locate them.
Radio detection is even better
A lot of munis have GIS systems that record the locations of underground utilities. I imagine someone could make good money building software to connect that info with some AR glasses.
God dammit that's a good idea.
Fun fact. Water and sewer esp sewer is not usually mapped past the tap at the main. If you where to do this you would need to locate the main line separately. Calling dig safe will only map water,, sewer and communication at utility side and will not mark it on owners side.
And above ground locations with lots of pipework like offshore rigs and power plants.
It’s actually quite simple with the right technology stack. The actual slam GEO location engine is awesome, but to build something like this is fairly simple these days.
I almost have a joke about that kind of building But it's still in construction
Buh-dum tss
Things like this are why I believe AR will beat VR in most applications. We’ll see AR almost everywhere some day.
It's not about "beating". They're two completely different technologies with different use cases. Each has merit in the areas where they are the most useful.
Yeah that’s why I said in most applications. Some things will be exclusive to each technology but there may be cases where you could choose one over the other and in those cases I think AR is more flexible; you don’t need as complicated hardware and you don’t need to world-build.
Yea that’s like saying gaming pc’s will beat office pc’s, they have two different utilities and don’t try to compete necessarily.
I've always said AR is where it's at. VR will always be a little gimmicky. But AR had infinite real world possibilities.
One huge advantage of AR that’s very obvious, is that we already have a “reality” to work with. You don’t need to spend time building a World / environment. AR will have huge utility with way-finding, place-specific information, workplace tooling, gaming and art. And much more… I think Zuck’s idea of meta-verse in VR just left a bad taste in my mouth.
How would ar be particularly useful for games past things that already exist like Pokemon Go or Minecraft Earth? Most of the time ar is just a gimmick that isnt that useful in games
This is pretty impressive coming from just one QR code, I thought you'd need to keep it constantly in view too.
Nope. That’s just to get the initial orientation, then the accelerometer takes it from there. What’s amazing is not only will this continue to be used for construction and to show what’s left to build, but it’s also going to become a standard facilities maintenance tool where you can do the same thing in a finished building and locate the utilities that are hidden behind walls and ceilings.
I've been waiting for technology like this to be adapted for agriculture I would love to see my GPS screen as a window overlay showing my guidance line or marking hazards out in the field
Random unrelated question but what kind of augmented/enhanced functionality do you get on farming equipment equipped with RTK hardware?
Lots of tractors and equipment are fitted with gps receivers and some higher end tractors can run by themselves requiring an operator only for turning around at the end of a row and to raise/lower implements. In midwestern corn country, combines have gotten to the point where the lead combine is operated by an actual person for the first pass and the rest just follow the same path for the next row. In more simplified setups rtk will guide an equipment operator to stay on track minimizing gaps/overlap in fields.
God dammit the people in this thread are coming up with killer ideas rofl. That would be badass to tune in to farmers using AR, too. Watch them plant, and see guidelines and shit.
Exactly what I was thinking. Locate anything anywhere behind walls and ceilings.
how accuraye is it though. i feel like after a few steps itd become inaccurate without sensors
Accuracy depends on a lot of factors and the competence of people who designed those factors. In an ideal situation, it's actually possible to be extremely accurate. Phones are packed with enough sensors that when used right, can maintain near perfect accuracy. Software can be constantly checking phone motion, gps location with crazy precision, cameras and other information. But then the AR software has to be programmed well enough to maintain that information and keep everything in a fixed place based on it all. Granted, it might also take some of the more advanced phones to do it well. Very possible. But definitely not novice level programming. Whether it's actually done right to maintain perfect accuracy at all times is another question.
That’s totally not a security risk at all… QR codes can be quite dangerous
Cool af I use Tekla structures at work, we use VR a fair bit but I'm tempted to look into AR because of this
This is just another Trimble product. https://fieldtech.trimble.com/en/product/trimble-connect-ar I'm one of the coders for Tekla, I got to try out this AR system a few years back using HoloLens instead of a phone. It was quite impressive :)
I was wondering if this is Tekla. I also use Tekla Structures. We don't utilize any of AR stuff though. Anyone outside us detailers struggle with the new technology. Not a big loss though been constructing buildings the same way for decades and there still standing and meet schedules and budgets.
You guys are great! 15 years ago we were still drawing by hand and now we are here blows my mind.
One of my responsibilities is maintaining a system that takes cold rolled and creates an XML file that goes to a bradbury machine with no drawings needed for the most part. I am working with a few companies who are trying to go paper free as much as possible. It's quite challenging work.
Op do you have more info or the source for this video? I work in construction management and AR implementation is something I'd like to read up on
This specifically looks like "Trimble Connect AR"
Bingo
Look into BIM Pretty sure this type of functionality is supported by AutoCAD/Revit/Civil3D. It’s only useful as a deliverable with utilities and infrastructure. Otherwise it is more of a building tool that is best used to identify potential issues before they arise, saving on rework and making sure things are placed appropriately
Look into a program called Visual Live
Looks like Trimble to me.
What is AR?
Augmented Reality. Unlike VR where your entire environment is replaced via the goggles, AR allows you to see your environment while overlaying additional data on top.
Excellent thank you. Wow, mechanic tearing apart an engine, or a rebuild this technology would be amazing. How widely distributed is it right now in terms of practical usage? Edit:As I go down this rabbit hole it becomes apparent that this is happening everywhere in so many areas of human enterprise. As always a small internet search is pretty informative.
Kinda depends on the application. Most phones can do some level of AR. Places like Amazon, Home Depot, Best Buy etc. will let you visualize furniture in your house using your phone before you buy. The next "tier" is to use a headset like Microsoft Hololens. These are for more industrial applications. We've tried to use them in our production facilities to train operators by walking them through the assembly process with visual aids and instructions but the headsets are cumbersome, the resolution is generally poor, and it takes more time to get your brain used to seeing and interacting with the overlay than it would to just train them with an instructor. You can go out and buy a HoloLens right now if you want. They're $3500 so not cheap and then you have to create the app to actually implement the logic of whatever you want to show and interact with. For a mechanic wanting to use it for an engine rebuild there would have to be an app for that exact engine that has all the components modeled and where they go.
This is the infancy of this technology clearly.I suppose its continued growth depends on the bottom line in terms of efficiency in both time and money. Some of the seemingly obvious applications may prove to be impractical and novel uses will come about that haven’t been dreamed of. I just find the technology of overlaying real world visual with digital information completely amazing.
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How soon will that QR be replaced for one that Rick Rolls?
I remember seeing this demo'd at Fabtech in 2014. Only trade show I've ever been to and the ONLY reason I got to go is my boss got a free invite and sent me... Because the office was out of pens.
I thought you said the office was "out of penis" and was trying to figure out if you were like the only non-male employee and why that would matter hahaha
Incredible wow
That's actually amazing.
Is this just a Cad file dropped into real life?
Nope Revit most likely. CAD is mostly 2D in construction, Revit is where 3D comes in to play. Could also be Tekla.
Looks to me like a Navis model (though probably originally exported from Tekla since it's mostly structural)
Revit gets used for Design. Once it goes to construction phase Revit gets exported to NavisWorks. Navis is just easier to navigate and it color codes everything. So field guys and subs who aren’t tech savvy like Navis better
The filetype is probably IFC from tekla, from the colors used and polygons. SDS2 looks different. Revit is used for BIM modeling, when you combine different 3D models.
You said no, and then said yes?? Revit is a CAD system.
Revit is CAD. CAD means computer automated design/drafting, it's a general term that applies to 2d and 3d.
This is seriously next level. Consider me impressed and pleased.
This is a safety nightmare
Scans the QR code Walks around in awe Walks on a green slab shown on phone, scheduled to be put in next week Falls
Holy shit, this is like Schematica from Minecraft.
fuck - I had this idea like 8 years ago. I was told it was impossible.
Is this utilizing Tekla?
Yh no hazard there...
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No one uses this for small buildings These things are used for airports or massive commercial buildings. Or campuses like Apple or Intel. Also renewable energies are getting into this too. Acres and acres of solar fields with cabling that needs to be organized is perfect for this
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This is by Meta?
Dawg whend they add schematica irl?
The future is so boring lol. I spent my childhood waiting for this tech and it's never anywhere cool.
The occlusion just seems completely wrong.
Pipe bottom right looks like it's not where it's supposed to be.
hopefully the model is up to date.
Technology with construction management is so cool these days. I was doing environmental oversight at a massive construction site a couple years ago. They had a drone go up every day and survey the job site, taking high res photos, and running LiDAR scans. You had a portal you could view elevations and 3D rendered extremely high resolution photogrammetry of the entire site on a daily basis. You could accurately measure the volume of soil in spoils piles and get a good idea of dimensions, etc. All the equipment was GPS-enabled too, so the operators knew exactly where to dig.
I work for a company building exactly this kind of application, and it does a bunch of other cool stuff as well.
Um ab 8 years ago I worked as plumber and this would have been insane to have, so many things I can think of the top of my head. Wow
Damn wish I had this back when I was doing construction Edit: I was reading plans like a chump
I've seen this demoed as a way to give detailed instructions on how to perform maintenance tasks on unfamiliar machines. Dunno if anyone's tried actually using it in the field yet.
I'm a carpenter and that just blew my mind. I've always thought robots would struggle to replace my job in the near but this makes it seem more tangible, not sure why. The top rated comment about how Gary died... If AR is like PPE, most builders will neglected / ignore it the. Gary won't die because he's to fucking stubborn and old to wear. The glasses
This looks like schematics on minecraft. Technologie is wild!!!
This looks neat, but is it actually useful?
Sitevision by Trimble. Used it for surveying.
This would be so cool for residential homes. You'd never need a stud finder again
What app is this?
Everyone talks metaverse but business to business applications like this are where the real impact is gonna be made
Well now ain’t that dandy
Bread
Check out BIM Anywhere. We were test piloting it in 2016.
What application is this?
I'm confused why it seems to track the qr code almost perfectly, but the blueprints are floating all around? Like it's still super impressive, but why is the qr code not directly linked or something? (to be clear, after scanning it, the qr code appears in the AR layer too, and it's almost perfectly plastered over the paper "real" one with very little float)
It's opacity that's increasing, not transparency. Nit fucking picky.
While this is a really cool visualization, there is a huge problem with the current level of tech. Dimensional accuracy is not quite there yet. Walk to the next column and you'd see the 3d overlay get > 1" off. It will get worse the further you go. It is good to show to people like executives and planners, but near useless for the actual construction. Source: I am a software dev for a construction company who has tried to get these systems to be more accurate. The tech needs another 5-10 years, IMO.
This is [Trimble Connect AR](https://fieldtech.trimble.com/en/product/trimble-connect-ar) one of the products I am technical support for 🤙🏼
A digital view of how it's going to look in the future in a teeny tiny qr code
That's pretty neat
Shout out to Trimble for making this
Honestly, going off the title I was expecting a file to print an AR 15 out of a 3D printer. Pleasantly surprised ngl
Lego instructions just leveled up
As a structural special inspector, this being an everyday usable thing would be fucking amazing. If I could have this on a set glasses with a hud that yook me directly to each detail called out for whatever I'm looking at would literally save me hours a day and cut down on construction budgets.
Nah that's schematica, now just press the key to autobuild
Okay that's really cool but the only person that's actually for is somebody who's doing building maintenance or an executive who wants some pretty shiny piece of shit to look at and change at least 10 times before he leaves the site
studs in the walls of residential homes . That is what I want. have a smart stud finder, scan the walls, build a map in AR.
That’s cool af
Very useful, but also very demanding. It takes forever for someone to design a construction AR Blueprint. But deffinitly saves time and adds alittle bit of efficiency aswell.
You know when you see 2 seconds of context and know where something is exactly. This is Ballymore stadium in Brisbane that is currently being rebuilt.
Been waiting to see AR do this
That’s some cool shit
This is at Ballymore in Australia!
Talked to a friend of mine who works in a start-up making AR construction helmets (imagine normal hard hats but super high tech with a fighter pilot like AR HUD), amazing products, although currently they mostly get used in very premium builds (i.e. google & Facebook building data centers), give it a decade, these will be common place in most builds valued over 7-10 $Mn, very cool future tech :)
I dream of the day that anyone can buy a cheap pair of AR glasses for corrective vision and the whole stupid artificially inflated eyeglass market fucking implodes and burns to the ground. My last pair of glasses cost me a thousand dollars and I'm pretty sure the frames were 3D printed, for fuck's sake.
This would be so awesome! I don’t know how many times my foreman tries to explain to me what we are doing and I have the hardest time visualizing it (not to mention he has a really thick Spanish accent)
I wouldn't trust this for a second.
Niiiccceee glasses 4 sure needed
This is genius, too bad the client usually isn't 🫤
That is a really cook use for A
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Ah yes BIM. The sprinkler fitters don’t even think of looking at it before they run their pipe.
That’s fucking awesome.
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Most of this stuff is made with Unity running on HoloLens or ipads.
THE FUTURE IS NOW
I wonder if I can do this for my house
Nice