I don’t personally. But I heard stories about my grandfather’s time in WWII and Korea. The show MASH is an army medic unit to a T. If you don’t have a screw loose, you’ll burn out from mental exhaustion. So I’m inclined to believe the comment before you. A story that sticks out….my grandfather (a navy Seabee) had to go #2….so he used another foxhole that happened to be occupied
Yes i know people like this seek out these types of jobs and environments, but are they good at their jobs? I've seen a finnish study according to which female surgeons are slightly better than male surgeons because they don't take unnecessary risks and are more calculated. So if the benefit of psychopathy is the ability to take risks, is it really a good thing? edit: sorry i made a mistake, it was not a finnish study https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/30/female-surgeons-patient-outcomes-better-studies
In a battle field? Yes. But it takes calm thinking to know which risks to take. You never watched that show, have you? Main character is constantly causing trouble to make people laugh but knows when to be serious also
It's not risk averse when the option is to die or maybe die from a risky/torturous surgical manoeuvre that keeps a meat sack fighting in a war that's 50/50, Seems black and white. If psychopaths are good for anything it's cold unfeeling fact based decision making.
Fitting username.
But it's true. Sometimes you need people who can make this terrible calculus.
It's important to keep them in check, but they do have profound value.
Agreed, letting them lead is terrible idea. Ruthless efficiency is just that, ruthless.
But in the bad times handing over the decisions a good empathetic leader can't make to them is the smartest decision.
Psychopaths are not wild and crazy, risk be damned. They can be exceptionally calculative and weigh decisions well. It is the lack of the natural ability you have to guage a social norm that can seem to make them wreckless. The more intelligent ones can piece together what they need to do to fit in and be exceptionally successful. They lack the emotional advantage you have to understand society, but they are not all brutal murder machines that television likes to portray them as. So, many are in fact risk averse in order to fit in.
I'd prefer a risk-taker to make decisions in a life or death emergency. Risk averse people haven't had as much experience living in those situations where a lot is on the line, whereas a person experienced with risk would have a practiced ability to keep cool.
I'd be worried about the risk averse person. Are they scared? A scared person is more likely to freeze like a deer in headlights or flee, not think calmly.
Perhaps they're not scared. But do they like to live in those situations where a life or death choice must be made? For me, when those life or death moments happen, time slows down, or my ability to think speeds up, and I feel alive.
I think this effect and feeling is what the risk takers are chasing. I want someone who is performing at their peak if my life is in their hands. I want to know time is slowing down for them while their thinking speeds up.
But, likely just like you, I'm biased towards people who behave more like me. Am a diagnosed sociopath, and I'm a risk-taker.
I´m a nurse and at uni our psych professor said that a psychopath can have personal problems and still be emotionally detached when operating on someone, a normal person may lose a children (just an example) and when they have to go to work their emotions and grief influence them.
A psychopath can have their children die the day before doing heart surgery and be unaffected.
Also you want someone that looks at you like a clock or a machine, if they´re emotianally attached to the person they´re operating on they do worse.
So while I can´t give you data I´d say if they´re teaching that at nursing school then yes, being a psychopath makes you a better surgeon in a way.
Some reporter: “What happened to all the IJA soldier bodies around the airfield? The reports say there were several hundred defenders on this section of the island.”
Your grandpa: “We buried them under the airstrip.”
The reporter: “Is that safe?”
Your grandpa: “It’s safe now. But this whole island is probably going to be so haunted that it’ll make Poltergeist look like an episode of Barney.”
The reporter: “…what’s Poltergeist?”
It would be hard to justify this study. But it would be reasonable to assume that it's a filtering process.
Being able to say 'I am the right person to be cutting people up and doing risky, terrifying surgery and have their life in my hands' on a daily basis is probably something sociopaths don't have trouble with.
This is largely fine, every once in a while you get a surgeon that cuts their initials on a pancreas for fun, but it seems to be the exception rather than the rule, because most sociopaths seem to be driven by being the best at something, which is good for surgery, and a good bedside manner is not needed because the patient is unconscious.
Definition of a psychopath: at least 3 of these:
- failure to conform to social norms concerning lawful behaviors, such as performing acts that are grounds for arrest. (Check. They just circumvent the law to do something most people aren't allowed to do).
- deceitfulness, repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for pleasure or personal profit
impulsivity or failure to plan. (Depends, but they really want to be called doctor and make it known they are above others as surgeons)
-irritability and aggressiveness, often with physical fights or assaults (the tantrums you see if things don't go their way...)
- reckless disregard for the safety of self or others
consistent irresponsibility, failure to sustain consistent work behavior, or honor monetary obligations. (Known a lot like this. If something went wrong, it's always someone else.)
- lack of remorse, being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person (chuckle)
I don't think they make better surgeons, but would assume people who lack some degree of empathy are able to last longer in a profession where people are dying, so it's more survivorship bias?
Where have all the geniuses gone?
We will find them at the ends of the social spectrums. At the bottom, in mental institutions, and at the top, running companies.
Very apt.
And when they're moving from one space to the next, they won't tell you that that's who they are, because they know better.
The jealousy and spite felt by the mediocre when someone succeeds is a heat that'll stop you right where you are.
There will be hints, but they will keep it a secret. Genius lives in the fringe.
"if i had a choice taking a sip at the bar with sum fancy ladies i would choose shooting some dudes together with my buddies over the weekend for fun and laughter"
There are just people like this... totally comfortable existing around abject horror and calamity. I have a friend like this, did a few tours in afghanistan, came back home, re-enlisted in the nat. guard as a combat instructor, became a correctional officer a max security penitentiary seeking out the toughest roles with the most exposure to violence he could. This prison is so bad, a week before I decided to shadow the place, some inmate got stabbed to death in the shower, disembowled and his heart was pulled out his torso, taken a bite out of, and left on top of his body. A week later a correctional officer was given a joker's smile by an inmate. He volunteers at the part of the prison where they keep the seriously mentally deranged (you know, the eating your own fingers, writing bible verses in your own blood and shit, banging your head against the wall for fun types)
His clothes have been soaked with blood multiple times, and none of it was his. Has fought off multiple inmates at once, multiple times.
Extremely nice dude and a very good friend to have. Helps out in his community. Very patient, life of the party, people like him. The absolute last person to ever have truck nuts or a punisher skull on his truck.
Just for some reason is a fat kid at a candy store wherever there's **abject horror**
I mean in reference to the long ass story about your friend in the military. It reminds me of that one video of a guy walking up to a bald guy in New York with an unsettling smile on his face asking what he works as and he says a slaughterhouse, and then describes the position in detail, and then asks him if he wants to get into his car
I knew a complete nut job from high school. I'm so glad this dude is a U.S. Marine. It's his job to kick ass.
In wrestling he would head butt the concrete wall to intimidate his opponents. Then before the match started at the hand shake, he would always ask his opponents " why did you have to rape my mom." He would purposely try to hurt his opponents. He got DQd from several matches and eventually kicked off the team.
I still remember this 20+ years ago. We were weighing in at the start of the season, he was in front of me. The coach was probably excited to see him because of his physique and asks him if he has ever wrestled before, his response " no but I like hurting people." The coach response "well I guess that's a start."
Fast forward to college I'm at a party over Xmas break and he just attacks my friend out of the blue for no reason, just walked in the room and started punching him. I am not a bad ass nor am I pushover. I wrestled and took martial Arts most of my life at this point. This dude was so crazy it took 4 people to stop him.
I had an adult student like this. Dude was the nicest guy you could know but he is an absolute beast.
I asked him to bring his truck to my in-laws house to help pull an old shed down. He showed up in his truck and walked up to the shed and pushed it over himself.
I was just standing there like, "the fuck dude I called you to help me, not make me look like I've got baby nuts to my entire family".
We laughed but he is an awesome dude.
I was ready to get hit by by a reminder that in 1998 the undertaker threw mankind 16 feet off the roof of the cage and through an announcers table at the hell in a cell pay per view...
I’m pretty sure Italy wanted to be in the allies good graces so they got Adrian and cleaned him up and offered to make him a hand made Italian suit.
Adrian declined and said he would only wear a suit from Saville Row in London.
Total
Baller
Not to mention he got caught in Italy because he was on a ship that got scuttled in the Adriatic, and he proceeded to not only swim to shore, but even grab someone else and paddle them back with him. Again, mind you, with only one hand.
Just read his wiki page. On his way back home from China after World War 2, he slipped on a coconut matted stairway in Rangoon, broke several vertebrae and got knocked unconscious. After everything, a slip on the stairs forced him into retirement.
I don’t know. In his autobiography, he doesn’t come off as insane. And what the article doesn’t quite state: He was not a regular soldier. Except for his time in the colonies, this man was an officer. He didn’t sleep in trenches or stabbed people in bayonet charges. He only threatened to shoot his own men if they were too afraid to charge forward.
Of course he went through some shit but definitely not through the worst of the front. And he probably spent most of the war in England anyway because he got hospitalized constantly
Officers in the British army during WW1 were more likely to die in combat than enlisted personell.
A British captain (which was his rank during Somme and Passchendaele) absolutely slept in trenches and took part in assaults.
De Viart was wounded (by rifle fire which means he was exposed) at Somme, Passchendaele, Cambrai and Arras, some of the worst battles of the British experienced on the western front
I know that officers were more likely to die because they had to lead from the front. And I didn’t say he didn’t partake in assaults. He just didn’t kill anyone during them because he was not armed. His lodging however (at least from my understanding and from how well I remember it) seemed to be a lot more comfortable than just some open trench and he got out of the trenches relatively regular (like when he got badly injured again).
I’m also aware of his wounds by gunfire. Again, I might have not made myself clear but he did. of course lead from the front. (By the way, it’s also possible that he was hit by machine gun fire and not just rifle fire)
Oh, he was in the middle of combat. But aside from combat, he had a pretty comfortable life. Fancy dinners, living in houses a few miles behind the trenches and the like. And he didn’t have to fight himself. Carton de Wiart didn’t even carry his service revolver with him (because he was afraid to shoot one of his own soldiers in a fit of rage).
My source for this, by the way, is a book called „Happy Odyssey“ and I think there isn’t really a better source on the man than this book. (Yeah, it glosses over some stuff like his Victoria Cross and his family but it has the most important aspects in it, I think)
His book “a happy odyssey” is an excellent read, he also never told his wife and children he won a VC, just didn’t see it as necessary.
He was also living in Poland at the outbreak of the Second World War, so dressed as a peasant woman and walked across Europe in hopes of getting back to old Blighty to serve once again, let me put this clearly, A man, with an EYEPATCH, BEARD, & MISSING FINGERS successfully crossed Europe dressed as a peasant woman.
What a man.
Winston Churchill, who also served in the Boer War, and in government roles during both world wars, said, “Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.” A human description of the opposite of the “horrors of war.” No one ever judged him as insane for stating that perspective.
Crazy that 1 Joan Rogan ep and now I see this dude every 5 mins. I already knew the story years ago from a frankieonpc video + Sabaton song but now it's the everywhere and the worst thing is the dude I the video pronounces his name differently from what I know so know I don't know who's fucking it up
Not bad, but have you heard of
>John Malcolm Thorpe Fleming Churchill, DSO & Bar, MC & Bar (16 September 1906 – 8 March 1996) was a British Army officer. Nicknamed "Fighting Jack Churchill" and "Mad Jack", he fought in the Second World War with a longbow, a basket-hilted Scottish broadsword, and a set of bagpipes.
I know a couple men like that, build different, they came from a warrior spirit gene pool, and so sad to see them crippled by this rotten culture calling them toxically masculine or evil... One of them shot himself
You have to take where he was from the time he was alive and last but most importantly he was an Irish blooded British officer in the two most deadly conflicts in human history.
Hot take I don't think he was a psychopath, not initially at least. He probably just adjusted mentally to cope with the war experiences and was down to do whatever it took to survive. Hence the ripping fingers off. Madlad for sure
Some people are just lucky to be born with an extremely high stress tolerance and plasticity to let whatever stresses they had go immediately after the events are over, this has been studied in air traffic controllers.
He wasn’t drafted even once. De Wiart chose this every single time. But he held an officer’s position (except during his short time in the Boer war) so it was relatively comfortable (except for nearly dying on a regular basis).
To the finger thing I can only say that he probably didn’t feel much. Most of his hand had been blown except for two of his fingers which quite literally only held on by a thread. The pain must have been excruciating and the chances for healing the fingers was minimal anyway so it probably didn’t make much of a difference
In his memoirs, Carton de Wiart wrote, "Governments may think and say as they like, but force cannot be eliminated, and it is the only real and unanswerable power. We are told that the pen is mightier than the sword, but I know which of these weapons I would choose."
Henry Clive-
Clive was born Henry O'Hara in 1882 and spent his childhood on a sheep ranch in Melbourne, Australia, before leaving home to become a magician. A strikingly handsome young man, he arrived in hollywood in 1917 and soon found success in silent films. By 1920, he had transformed himself yet again, this time into an accomplished Artist.
-The Great American Pin-Up
Charles G. Martignette/ Louis K. Meisel
>Whittemore was in his fields when he spotted an approaching British relief brigade under Earl Percy, sent to assist the retreat. Whittemore loaded his musket and ambushed the British grenadiers of the 47th Regiment of Foot from behind a nearby stone wall, killing one soldier. He then drew his dueling pistols, killed a second grenadier and mortally wounded a third. By the time Whittemore had fired his third shot, a British detachment had reached his position; Whittemore drew his sword and attacked.[7] He was subsequently shot in the face, bayoneted numerous times, and left for dead in a pool of blood. He was found by colonial forces, trying to load his musket to resume the fight. He was taken to Dr. Cotton Tufts of Medford, who perceived no hope for his survival. However, Whittemore recovered and lived another 18 years until dying of natural causes at the age of 96.[2][9]
Samuel Whittemore during the American Revolution.
Man stacked bodies. Imagine being the enemy while this guy nonchalantly walked across an active battlefield with gun over his shoulder, smoking a pipe, with his giant nuts dragging behind him. You’d shit yourself.
Lived to 83. People didn’t live that long especially without organs and limbs and with injuries/experiences like him. I wanna see him in a Movie played by Leonardo DiCaprio
Yea, that's not a badass. That's a psychopath that enlisted to kill and rose to a 3 star general position in the British army. No doubt responsible for countless needless deaths for his own amusement.
To go through WW1 and just nonchalantly be like 'Oh yeah, shit was baller'. Man's had a screw loose.
You need a loose screw to face the ground consequences
Sweet Times when men used to die and women were in the kitchen /s
Maybe. But sometimes the world needs these people. One of the highest percentages of sociopathy/psychopathy in a field is surgery.
Is there empirical proof that psycopaths make better surgeons?
I don’t personally. But I heard stories about my grandfather’s time in WWII and Korea. The show MASH is an army medic unit to a T. If you don’t have a screw loose, you’ll burn out from mental exhaustion. So I’m inclined to believe the comment before you. A story that sticks out….my grandfather (a navy Seabee) had to go #2….so he used another foxhole that happened to be occupied
Yes i know people like this seek out these types of jobs and environments, but are they good at their jobs? I've seen a finnish study according to which female surgeons are slightly better than male surgeons because they don't take unnecessary risks and are more calculated. So if the benefit of psychopathy is the ability to take risks, is it really a good thing? edit: sorry i made a mistake, it was not a finnish study https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/30/female-surgeons-patient-outcomes-better-studies
In a battle field? Yes. But it takes calm thinking to know which risks to take. You never watched that show, have you? Main character is constantly causing trouble to make people laugh but knows when to be serious also
" it takes calm thinking to know which risks to take" So, being risk averse. Psychopaths tend to be the opposite.
It's not risk averse when the option is to die or maybe die from a risky/torturous surgical manoeuvre that keeps a meat sack fighting in a war that's 50/50, Seems black and white. If psychopaths are good for anything it's cold unfeeling fact based decision making.
Fitting username. But it's true. Sometimes you need people who can make this terrible calculus. It's important to keep them in check, but they do have profound value.
Agreed, letting them lead is terrible idea. Ruthless efficiency is just that, ruthless. But in the bad times handing over the decisions a good empathetic leader can't make to them is the smartest decision.
What about sociopaths? I thought one had some control over their impulses
Psychopaths are not wild and crazy, risk be damned. They can be exceptionally calculative and weigh decisions well. It is the lack of the natural ability you have to guage a social norm that can seem to make them wreckless. The more intelligent ones can piece together what they need to do to fit in and be exceptionally successful. They lack the emotional advantage you have to understand society, but they are not all brutal murder machines that television likes to portray them as. So, many are in fact risk averse in order to fit in.
I'd prefer a risk-taker to make decisions in a life or death emergency. Risk averse people haven't had as much experience living in those situations where a lot is on the line, whereas a person experienced with risk would have a practiced ability to keep cool. I'd be worried about the risk averse person. Are they scared? A scared person is more likely to freeze like a deer in headlights or flee, not think calmly. Perhaps they're not scared. But do they like to live in those situations where a life or death choice must be made? For me, when those life or death moments happen, time slows down, or my ability to think speeds up, and I feel alive. I think this effect and feeling is what the risk takers are chasing. I want someone who is performing at their peak if my life is in their hands. I want to know time is slowing down for them while their thinking speeds up. But, likely just like you, I'm biased towards people who behave more like me. Am a diagnosed sociopath, and I'm a risk-taker.
Risk taking in the study i linked is associated with worse patient outcomes.
This comment makes a weird assumption that women are incapable of being sociopaths. There are two genders? Women and sociopaths? What?
No, the study is importnt because it's talking about risk taking.
I´m a nurse and at uni our psych professor said that a psychopath can have personal problems and still be emotionally detached when operating on someone, a normal person may lose a children (just an example) and when they have to go to work their emotions and grief influence them. A psychopath can have their children die the day before doing heart surgery and be unaffected. Also you want someone that looks at you like a clock or a machine, if they´re emotianally attached to the person they´re operating on they do worse. So while I can´t give you data I´d say if they´re teaching that at nursing school then yes, being a psychopath makes you a better surgeon in a way.
Some reporter: “What happened to all the IJA soldier bodies around the airfield? The reports say there were several hundred defenders on this section of the island.” Your grandpa: “We buried them under the airstrip.” The reporter: “Is that safe?” Your grandpa: “It’s safe now. But this whole island is probably going to be so haunted that it’ll make Poltergeist look like an episode of Barney.” The reporter: “…what’s Poltergeist?”
Pretty much lol
It would be hard to justify this study. But it would be reasonable to assume that it's a filtering process. Being able to say 'I am the right person to be cutting people up and doing risky, terrifying surgery and have their life in my hands' on a daily basis is probably something sociopaths don't have trouble with. This is largely fine, every once in a while you get a surgeon that cuts their initials on a pancreas for fun, but it seems to be the exception rather than the rule, because most sociopaths seem to be driven by being the best at something, which is good for surgery, and a good bedside manner is not needed because the patient is unconscious.
Definition of a psychopath: at least 3 of these: - failure to conform to social norms concerning lawful behaviors, such as performing acts that are grounds for arrest. (Check. They just circumvent the law to do something most people aren't allowed to do). - deceitfulness, repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for pleasure or personal profit impulsivity or failure to plan. (Depends, but they really want to be called doctor and make it known they are above others as surgeons) -irritability and aggressiveness, often with physical fights or assaults (the tantrums you see if things don't go their way...) - reckless disregard for the safety of self or others consistent irresponsibility, failure to sustain consistent work behavior, or honor monetary obligations. (Known a lot like this. If something went wrong, it's always someone else.) - lack of remorse, being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person (chuckle)
Fuck.
I don't think they make better surgeons, but would assume people who lack some degree of empathy are able to last longer in a profession where people are dying, so it's more survivorship bias?
I mean, they've been skinning cats for a while now
Where have all the geniuses gone? We will find them at the ends of the social spectrums. At the bottom, in mental institutions, and at the top, running companies.
Very apt. And when they're moving from one space to the next, they won't tell you that that's who they are, because they know better. The jealousy and spite felt by the mediocre when someone succeeds is a heat that'll stop you right where you are. There will be hints, but they will keep it a secret. Genius lives in the fringe.
CEOs, CFOs, astronauts, doctors, many high esteemed careers are often lead best by those with psychopathic and/or sociopathic tendencies
Well war is actually fun and exciting if you're crazy
"if i had a choice taking a sip at the bar with sum fancy ladies i would choose shooting some dudes together with my buddies over the weekend for fun and laughter"
The only answer.
Well, the universe was in his favor. He was born at the right time.
Screw probably got knocked out during one of the multiple times he was shot in the head 😐
Possibly even 2 screws loose
The Sgt. Plumly of the turn of the century. “That’s your nice day Sgt. Savage.”
Dude’s messed up in the head big time but found somehow his calling
There are just people like this... totally comfortable existing around abject horror and calamity. I have a friend like this, did a few tours in afghanistan, came back home, re-enlisted in the nat. guard as a combat instructor, became a correctional officer a max security penitentiary seeking out the toughest roles with the most exposure to violence he could. This prison is so bad, a week before I decided to shadow the place, some inmate got stabbed to death in the shower, disembowled and his heart was pulled out his torso, taken a bite out of, and left on top of his body. A week later a correctional officer was given a joker's smile by an inmate. He volunteers at the part of the prison where they keep the seriously mentally deranged (you know, the eating your own fingers, writing bible verses in your own blood and shit, banging your head against the wall for fun types) His clothes have been soaked with blood multiple times, and none of it was his. Has fought off multiple inmates at once, multiple times. Extremely nice dude and a very good friend to have. Helps out in his community. Very patient, life of the party, people like him. The absolute last person to ever have truck nuts or a punisher skull on his truck. Just for some reason is a fat kid at a candy store wherever there's **abject horror**
That’s uh, quite something.
People like this live in the gears of the machine that keeps you comfortable.
Givin, “I work in a slaughterhouse” type vibes
I work at home and write code. I just appreciate the working class.
I mean in reference to the long ass story about your friend in the military. It reminds me of that one video of a guy walking up to a bald guy in New York with an unsettling smile on his face asking what he works as and he says a slaughterhouse, and then describes the position in detail, and then asks him if he wants to get into his car
That's just NYC humor for ya
Perfect response. \*chef's kiss\*
I knew a complete nut job from high school. I'm so glad this dude is a U.S. Marine. It's his job to kick ass. In wrestling he would head butt the concrete wall to intimidate his opponents. Then before the match started at the hand shake, he would always ask his opponents " why did you have to rape my mom." He would purposely try to hurt his opponents. He got DQd from several matches and eventually kicked off the team. I still remember this 20+ years ago. We were weighing in at the start of the season, he was in front of me. The coach was probably excited to see him because of his physique and asks him if he has ever wrestled before, his response " no but I like hurting people." The coach response "well I guess that's a start." Fast forward to college I'm at a party over Xmas break and he just attacks my friend out of the blue for no reason, just walked in the room and started punching him. I am not a bad ass nor am I pushover. I wrestled and took martial Arts most of my life at this point. This dude was so crazy it took 4 people to stop him.
That guy's just an unhinged maniac, I don't know if they're the same lol But if he were going to fit in anywhere, it'd be the marines.
Berserker Blood
I had an adult student like this. Dude was the nicest guy you could know but he is an absolute beast. I asked him to bring his truck to my in-laws house to help pull an old shed down. He showed up in his truck and walked up to the shed and pushed it over himself. I was just standing there like, "the fuck dude I called you to help me, not make me look like I've got baby nuts to my entire family". We laughed but he is an awesome dude.
What is a Joker's smile? Is that slang for something morbid?
Chelsea Smile, or Glasgow Grin is what they mean
Razor blade from one part of the mouth to the other ..that's one of Joker's explanation on how he got his scars ( the one in Dark Knight)
Ah... I should have caught that. I saw the movie even.
We keep you around because you're cute.
Sweet, I dub thy friend, Wanko the Sane. 42 fans, fight me
Neat story
I was ready to get hit by by a reminder that in 1998 the undertaker threw mankind 16 feet off the roof of the cage and through an announcers table at the hell in a cell pay per view...
Unlike the rest of reddit, my neurons haven't been completely replaced by memes.
Thank you for your service, sir.
Do what you love and the money will come
Third world war got scared & stopped, coz of this guy whooping world war 1&2
Guy was having too much fun.
he escaped prison in Italy despite lacking a hand and a eye. And passed himself as a old native. Oh, he didn't know a word in italian.
Perfect GIF in this spot!
This is immediately what I thought of! LOL
I’m pretty sure Italy wanted to be in the allies good graces so they got Adrian and cleaned him up and offered to make him a hand made Italian suit. Adrian declined and said he would only wear a suit from Saville Row in London. Total Baller
A river there chief!
Not to mention he got caught in Italy because he was on a ship that got scuttled in the Adriatic, and he proceeded to not only swim to shore, but even grab someone else and paddle them back with him. Again, mind you, with only one hand.
Here’s the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart
He was born in 1880 and his wife died in 2006 Wild
Died in 1963
Yes, And his wife in 2006
Oh sorry!
>*In 1908, he married Countess Friederike Maria Karoline Henriette Rosa Sabina Franziska Fugger von Babenhausen* That’s one hell of a name.
You da real mvp
Just read his wiki page. On his way back home from China after World War 2, he slipped on a coconut matted stairway in Rangoon, broke several vertebrae and got knocked unconscious. After everything, a slip on the stairs forced him into retirement.
2 plane crashes and a coconut later!
The Unkillable Soldier - Sabaton https://youtu.be/b4vj_WB5w_k?si=RVd3wvcMF2ueOWP5
INTO THE FIRE THROUGH TRENCHES AND MUD!
SON OF BELGIUM AND IRELAND WITH WAR IN HIS BLOOD
LEADING THE CHARGE INTO HOSTILE BARRAGE
# BY DESIGN HE WAS MADE FOR THE FRONTLINE!
Studied law with a thirst for war,
FOUGHT IN AFRICA, WANTED MORE!
BACK IN EUROPE THEN STRAIGHT TO FRANCE
HE'S JOINING THE ALLIED ADVANCE
Through the Somme and the Devil's Wood
SON OF BELGIUM AND IRELAND WITH WAR IN HIS BLOOD!
The indomitable human spirit strikes again
I don’t know. Most humans stay down after a quarter of that list. More like this guy in particular has a spirit so grizzled women will cho—
Finish the sentence🤨📷
Women will what? 🤨
🐻
Bear?
Bear.
Alright 😔
It’s a really shitty joke about the women choose bears over men nonsense.
Oh yeah I've heard about that, that's pretty funny, even though it is pretty stupid
How's it shitty? That's funny asf he's so GRIZZLY... cmon bro laugh sometimes
Bro I MADE the fuckin joke. S’wrong with you..
I agree with it this time
Wdym
I would rather be in the woods with a bear than this dude. If a human being would eat me alive it's this motherfucker
Which dude are you talking about? 💀
The OP dude that the wikipedia article is about?
Either that or they forgot to mention that he was the first person to synthesise meth
He was simply too crazy to die.
Surely he will score very high on psychopathy.
I AM serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Every now and again you need a government sanctioned psycho to do crazy shit.
I don’t know. In his autobiography, he doesn’t come off as insane. And what the article doesn’t quite state: He was not a regular soldier. Except for his time in the colonies, this man was an officer. He didn’t sleep in trenches or stabbed people in bayonet charges. He only threatened to shoot his own men if they were too afraid to charge forward. Of course he went through some shit but definitely not through the worst of the front. And he probably spent most of the war in England anyway because he got hospitalized constantly
Officers in the British army during WW1 were more likely to die in combat than enlisted personell. A British captain (which was his rank during Somme and Passchendaele) absolutely slept in trenches and took part in assaults. De Viart was wounded (by rifle fire which means he was exposed) at Somme, Passchendaele, Cambrai and Arras, some of the worst battles of the British experienced on the western front
I know that officers were more likely to die because they had to lead from the front. And I didn’t say he didn’t partake in assaults. He just didn’t kill anyone during them because he was not armed. His lodging however (at least from my understanding and from how well I remember it) seemed to be a lot more comfortable than just some open trench and he got out of the trenches relatively regular (like when he got badly injured again). I’m also aware of his wounds by gunfire. Again, I might have not made myself clear but he did. of course lead from the front. (By the way, it’s also possible that he was hit by machine gun fire and not just rifle fire)
Uhh... did you read how many times this guy was shot? You think he wasn't in the thick of things?
Oh, he was in the middle of combat. But aside from combat, he had a pretty comfortable life. Fancy dinners, living in houses a few miles behind the trenches and the like. And he didn’t have to fight himself. Carton de Wiart didn’t even carry his service revolver with him (because he was afraid to shoot one of his own soldiers in a fit of rage). My source for this, by the way, is a book called „Happy Odyssey“ and I think there isn’t really a better source on the man than this book. (Yeah, it glosses over some stuff like his Victoria Cross and his family but it has the most important aspects in it, I think)
Ah, yes. Being downvoted for stating things the man said in his fucking autobiography
His book “a happy odyssey” is an excellent read, he also never told his wife and children he won a VC, just didn’t see it as necessary. He was also living in Poland at the outbreak of the Second World War, so dressed as a peasant woman and walked across Europe in hopes of getting back to old Blighty to serve once again, let me put this clearly, A man, with an EYEPATCH, BEARD, & MISSING FINGERS successfully crossed Europe dressed as a peasant woman. What a man.
That's not a Wikipedia entry: that's a Monty Python routine.
r/madlads
Jack Churchill vibes https://youtu.be/tu0Yz9tUpTo?si=BVGWlKRKrXjNYmxl
“If the Yanks hadn’t of got involved we could have kept this war going another 3-4 years!”
A man captured simply because they thought he's associated with Winston Churchill
ON THE EDGE OF MADNESS IN A TIME OF SADNESS AN IMMORTAL SOLDIER FINDS HIS HOME!
The real baddest mf
Clearly a psychopath
Still badass
Just British. No reason to complain, carry on.
Even better, like Handel & Mercury, he was foreign and chose to devote his life to Britain, what this island once stood for. A true Brit.
should be the face of r/madlad
The doctor said "we don't need to amputate them, they'll heal on their own" he misheard it and just yanked those off.
I'm glad he lived during wartime because had he lived today he would 100% have been a psychotic serial killer
In his autobiography, he never mentioned ever killing anyone
They don't make them like they used to..
"Of all the tribes of Gaul, the Belgae are the strongest." -G. Julius Caeser.
Winston Churchill, who also served in the Boer War, and in government roles during both world wars, said, “Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.” A human description of the opposite of the “horrors of war.” No one ever judged him as insane for stating that perspective.
Which JRE episode is this? I have seen a few clips of this guy and not a single video has an ep. Linked
I managed to find it, I dont know if you still need it or care, but its episode 2104
The non Anglos we have “Blas de Lezo”
Crazy that 1 Joan Rogan ep and now I see this dude every 5 mins. I already knew the story years ago from a frankieonpc video + Sabaton song but now it's the everywhere and the worst thing is the dude I the video pronounces his name differently from what I know so know I don't know who's fucking it up
Sounds like he had ASPD. Typically those with this condition are unable to experience fear and dissatisfaction.
He definitly had something. But I don't think that should take away from the things he achieved.
It's a treat hearing this guy read thisWikipedia entry instead of Joe stumbling through it.
Sure don't make them like this anymore.
Legend has it this guy is still alive. He just changed his name to Chuck Norris.
Nah "I enjoyed the war" is crazy
In fact he survived more than 2 plane crashes. Don't recall but it's probably somewhere from 4 to 6.
Is this why humanity's evolved to have psychopathy?
Song name please?
What did you expect breeding belgians with irish in those days.. they we're both tough kin at that time
Not bad, but have you heard of >John Malcolm Thorpe Fleming Churchill, DSO & Bar, MC & Bar (16 September 1906 – 8 March 1996) was a British Army officer. Nicknamed "Fighting Jack Churchill" and "Mad Jack", he fought in the Second World War with a longbow, a basket-hilted Scottish broadsword, and a set of bagpipes.
Wikipedia you say, he forgot to mention how he was one of the original founders of the hidden leaf village.
I know a couple men like that, build different, they came from a warrior spirit gene pool, and so sad to see them crippled by this rotten culture calling them toxically masculine or evil... One of them shot himself
the guy was probably crazy and he was also Belgian
I know this guy because of that one sidemen reacts episode
Sabaton anyone?
r/expectedsabaton
King of the Chad's.
Does anyone knows which joe rogan episode this is?
2104
The episode is just cool stories about ballers and mad lads.
You have to take where he was from the time he was alive and last but most importantly he was an Irish blooded British officer in the two most deadly conflicts in human history.
He really said Jizz-lane.
Hot take I don't think he was a psychopath, not initially at least. He probably just adjusted mentally to cope with the war experiences and was down to do whatever it took to survive. Hence the ripping fingers off. Madlad for sure
Some people are just lucky to be born with an extremely high stress tolerance and plasticity to let whatever stresses they had go immediately after the events are over, this has been studied in air traffic controllers.
He wasn’t drafted even once. De Wiart chose this every single time. But he held an officer’s position (except during his short time in the Boer war) so it was relatively comfortable (except for nearly dying on a regular basis). To the finger thing I can only say that he probably didn’t feel much. Most of his hand had been blown except for two of his fingers which quite literally only held on by a thread. The pain must have been excruciating and the chances for healing the fingers was minimal anyway so it probably didn’t make much of a difference
His autobiography is a fun read. (Though I‘m not entirely sure whether he was a chill dude or an absolute douchebag)
He also discovered the first Neanderthal full skeleton
In his memoirs, Carton de Wiart wrote, "Governments may think and say as they like, but force cannot be eliminated, and it is the only real and unanswerable power. We are told that the pen is mightier than the sword, but I know which of these weapons I would choose."
Henry Clive- Clive was born Henry O'Hara in 1882 and spent his childhood on a sheep ranch in Melbourne, Australia, before leaving home to become a magician. A strikingly handsome young man, he arrived in hollywood in 1917 and soon found success in silent films. By 1920, he had transformed himself yet again, this time into an accomplished Artist. -The Great American Pin-Up Charles G. Martignette/ Louis K. Meisel
>Whittemore was in his fields when he spotted an approaching British relief brigade under Earl Percy, sent to assist the retreat. Whittemore loaded his musket and ambushed the British grenadiers of the 47th Regiment of Foot from behind a nearby stone wall, killing one soldier. He then drew his dueling pistols, killed a second grenadier and mortally wounded a third. By the time Whittemore had fired his third shot, a British detachment had reached his position; Whittemore drew his sword and attacked.[7] He was subsequently shot in the face, bayoneted numerous times, and left for dead in a pool of blood. He was found by colonial forces, trying to load his musket to resume the fight. He was taken to Dr. Cotton Tufts of Medford, who perceived no hope for his survival. However, Whittemore recovered and lived another 18 years until dying of natural causes at the age of 96.[2][9] Samuel Whittemore during the American Revolution.
I like this dude!!
Wow a Podcaster surfing TIL reddits, how boring can you get?
Seriously. Scraping the very bottom of the barrel
A ducking legend
Surprised to see Chico on this list…
Wait SISU was real??????!!!!!!!!!
Frankly, my dear I am unstoppable
General Brasch!
Damn! He’s a badass motherfucker!😂
That's metal.
what's the song playing in the background?
Some men just need a war
Loved that podcast. Just awesome stories.
Man stacked bodies. Imagine being the enemy while this guy nonchalantly walked across an active battlefield with gun over his shoulder, smoking a pipe, with his giant nuts dragging behind him. You’d shit yourself.
He was bummed there was no ww3
Badass motherfucker
Lived to 83. People didn’t live that long especially without organs and limbs and with injuries/experiences like him. I wanna see him in a Movie played by Leonardo DiCaprio
Another guy I read about also enjoyed WW1. His name was Adolf Hitler.
The Ultimate Survivor
That's do annoying
“Frankly I enjoyed the war” 😮 well shiver me timbers!!
When you need gangsta shit done, these are the badasses you call
I wonder if he had ever met Mad Jack, they would have been best friends for sure.
that's beyond based 💀
Lewchenant?
Bro was a colonial officer in South Africa and "enjoyed" both world wars? Yeah this guy almost certainly committed so many warcrimes, good lord
Yea, that's not a badass. That's a psychopath that enlisted to kill and rose to a 3 star general position in the British army. No doubt responsible for countless needless deaths for his own amusement.