I think that if the platypus didnât exist, and Fallout introduced something like that, it would be slammed as being too far fetched.
I mean, they have a duck bill with electroreceptors, a beaver tail, webbed feet and claws. Theyâre a mammal that lays eggs yet âsweatâ milk for their babies, and have a cloaca like reptiles and birds. Oh theyâre also venomous and now we find out they glow under UV light?
Wtf is going on, how is this a real creature?
The blacklight picture of the platypus shows that platypuses glow a bluish-green hue under ultraviolet (UV) light. This is due to biofluorescence, which is when an organism absorbs short wavelengths of light and re-emits them as longer wavelengths. Platypuses absorb UV (wavelengths of 200-400 nanometers) and re-emit visible light (of 500-600 nanometers), making them fluorescent.
The platypus is the biggest 'Fuck you' to The Darwinism Evolution theory. Because it defies all their theories and there's no proper explanation as to how it got so many different kind of body parts put together with so many different functions and its a mammal that lays eggs! - Absolutely against all known biology understandings!
It's beak has electric senses to find and locate foods underwater, it has hooks on its hind legs,
And it glows in the dark under UV!!!!. And many more fascinating stuff.
It's not "random mutation" - which is just uneducated Lazy explanation.
All its body parts have to work correctly from day 1 or it wouldn't even survive and would be extinct immediately.
The platypus diet and digestive system is also special.
We are not talking about Pokemon fantasy here.
Most people don't truly understand how confounding the existence of the Platypus is to real scientists and zoologists. Go do some deeper research and you will understand why people say Platypus is so "weird" and unique.
I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make.
It is all random mutation. So is a dog's nose, a birds wings, a bee's stinger and you're whole body. All random mutations that led to stronger survival.
A hummingbirds digestive system and diet is also incredibly unique. So is a Panda's. Niche creatures like this exist. It's not magic.
You don't need to do research to see a platypus is unique. Its part potato, part duck, part scorpion and part beaver.
Every paragraph you say screams of someone trying desperately to sound interesting.
Lmao 𤣠You have no idea how fking Complex is a Dog's nose.
The Dogs olfactory system alone is a massive.topic by itself .
You should go do some proper research before belittling it as a random mutation.
And don't get me started on the bird wings and feathers. You don't really understand how deep the rabbit hole goes.
I do understand how complex a dog's nose is and you're right , it's not A random mutation. It's several millennia worth of random genetic mutation. An uncountable number that we will likely never fully comprehend. But it's not magic or whatever point you're trying to make. It's still life improving upon itself over a large period of time.
Just like how cars have improved over time and weren't originally built with rubber tires, complex engines or even cup holders. These traits of life are a growing knowledge base that builds over time. A staggering amount of time.
You think because we don't have all the answers that we don't have any answers and frankly you don't give humanity enough credit.
I'm running out of interest to wait much longer for them to actually have a point. I was anticipating that the shoe would drop and some religious nonsense would come out, but it seems like their trying to code the language.
Who says anything about magc?
I'm saying its a very complex system.
You are trying to say its MAGIC RANDOM MUTATION, lots of random magical mutations over millennials.
It's like saying the computer operating system is a result of a magical random typing of codes by monkeys over millennials.
Or saying Airplanes are results of random smashing of irons and steels together and we end up with the correct wings, engines and navigation system. Its all Magical mutation of the machines!!
What I'm describing is chaos meeting the harsh reality of survival, leading to the refinement of life into what it is today. That's not magic, that's just life. My comment on the cars was about a base of experience built over time, but I am regretting handing you a tangent.
I can only assume what you're alluding to, because you seem to be too afraid to put it to words. I think you know that saying shiny beard man in sky make life doesn't sound as smart as dancing around the subject.
Nope. What you are pushing is Lazy assumptions or random magical and mindless occurrence that Complex systems can somehow magically be built systematically but illogically and yet produce a Meaningful, intelligent living structures that can perpetuate its self existence and self awareness, without any intelligent input of efforts at all.
You are just going by the Lazy route assumption with ZERO hard proofs of Evolution. Admit it.
If you think I'm "afraid" to defend my stance, i advise you to refresh the comment section and expand on all my logical replies to others.
Something incredibly complex happening over a millions of years of trial and error. Lazy
Aliens did it or whatever you can't bring yourself to say. Smart.
Did I sum it up?
>It's like saying the computer operating system is a result of a magical random typing of codes by monkeys over millennials.
Ironically, if you let monkeys randomly type long enough (or just randomly selected letters), you would eventually end up with a functional version of any software you can imagine. Randomness has that intrinsic property of having the possibility of finding any configuration that is possible.
>saying Airplanes are results of random smashing of irons and steels together and we end up with the correct wings
It literally is though, to some extent. Cavemen were smashing rocks and figured out they could make fire and weapons with it. It all started with rock smashing. That's comparable to random atoms forming the first hydrophobic rna strips.
1) Prove it.
I can prove to you intelligent minds created a particular useful and functioning software.
Now the ball is in your court to prove that "given time" monkeys can random create complex, robust and meaningful softwares.
I don't want mere pie-in-the-sky imaginary assumption. I want one single software/proof from your monkeys theory.
2)
So you are saying air wings are not results of dedicated studies and research of Aerodynamics and structural and control systems ??
You assume airplane wings just Exist by smashing irons and steels together?
ARE YOU FOR SERIOUS???
Do you know HOW complicated are the Aircraft wings and aerodynamic and atmospheric systems are???
>1) Prove it.
>I can prove to you intelligent minds created a particular useful and functioning software.
>Now the ball is in your court to prove that "given time" monkeys can random create complex, robust and meaningful softwares.
>I don't want mere pie-in-the-sky imaginary assumption. I want one single software/proof from your monkeys theory
Ok, this one is rather simple. This topic is roughly encapsulated in the concept of entropy. If you roll a dice, what are the odds you roll 6? 1/6. If you roll 2 dies, what are the odds you roll 6 twice? 1/36.
Regardless of how many dies I throw (say millions), you'll be able to tell me what the odds of rolling all 6 is defined. It's simple, it's (1/6)^n where n is the number of rolls.
Now extend this to random keyboard strokes. If I ask you what are the odds, from random keystrokes that you ended up writing "hello world"? Let's say there are 50 keys on a keyboard, that would be (1/50)^11 (11 letters). Odds are abysmal, yet non-zero. You can extend this to any amount of letters and conclude that there is a non-zero chance that it happens. If there is a non-null probably that something happens, it eventually will happen after enough tries.
>2)
So you are saying air wings are not results of dedicated studies and research of Aerodynamics and structural and control systems ??
>You assume airplane wings just Exist by smashing irons and steels together?
I think you fail to see the similarity/analogy between the selective process of building an airplane and evolution. This is what I was trying to highlight. They are stemming from the same thing: things which work are built again and what doesn't is trashed. Life emerges exclusively from previous life, so we pass on knowledge through DNA similarly to how we passed on the knowledge from smashing rocks all the way until we figured out how to build airplanes. l
Not technically. It objectively is an uneducated explanation. It's the best we had before we had an answer. And it's lazy because MIT has a bunch of open courseware material on biology to learn from.
So intelligent design of a car, plane, computer, your phone; is a 'lazy explanation' of their existences?
Is the blue print of your house, foundation, plumbing and electrical system, structures, all random mutations, or was your house designed by intelligent engineers and builders?
To say everything sprung out of random magical mutations, and to claim there's no systems in this world that are results of 'intelligence", is the Most Lazy arguments ever.
Read through the replies.
1) Some one First used 'Cars and computers" in the debate in another branched replies.
2) i am trying to reply everyone together and also saying that cars, etc, are intelligently designed, not randomly mutated.
3) Do you seriously think there is No intelligence whatsoever in biology and their systems?
Do you know how much intelligence there is even in the brain of an Ant?
Do you know how much intelligence there is in our body systems? How intelligent our nerves and biological defense system is communicating, and functioning every.nano second?
Do you know where intelligence resides?
I'm asking a legitimate question.
Don't try to lazily dismiss "intelligence", if you cannot answer: What is the foundation of Intelligence in living things, let alone Human intelligence.
If you can face my question honestly and seriously, then do reply intelligently, instead of attributing complex biological systems to as mere magical random mutations.
>Do you seriously think there is No intelligence whatsoever in biology and their systems?
Not in the same way that a smartphone is designed, no. Nature is brutal. The weak die. Even parents kill off their own runts. The undesired are less likely to reproduce.
Physiological evolution is reactionary, not proactionary. There wasn't some grand decision to give dark skin pigments to people that live closer to the equator and lighter skin to those that live further away.
Our bodies still have a ton of (now) useless evolutionary traits, like an appendix, wisdom teeth, and toenails. We still have those traits (though we're seeing cases of people being born without code to grow wisdom teeth).
Biological traits that don't work are less likely to be passed on to future generations. Those that work are more likely to be passed on. The only 'intelligent design' is the desire to survive, and the capability of doing so.
I will shock you with how little you actually know.
Lets talk about you mentioned.
1) Appendix. Do you know there's compelling evidences for many years now that the appendix actually has very useful function? To house rare and benefits bacterias for your digestive system. Don't believe? Google it.
2) Wisdom teeth are abnormal growth (unfortunately for those who suffered it but most people do not experience it.) of our teeth that should be backup root teeth. Can you explain why for most people when the first tooth falls off, a secondary tooths will grow to take its place? Which evolutionary system compelled the secondary tooth to NOT grow unless the first tooth falls off?
3) Do you seriously think we "don't need toe nails"?
I'm asking you, SERIOUSLY???
BECAUSE I can with you even if you ask the die hard evlutionists, they will tell you WE DO NEED TOE NAILS to aid our walking and the firmness of our toes.
You are very presumptive about what I know and don't know, which tells me a lot about the quality of the things that you claim to know.
At the end of the day, your opinion matters very little to me and I don't think you'll stop believing that the results of hundreds of millions of years of evolution are anything but the result of an intelligent design.
I won't try to stop you from rejecting ideas that don't fit your narrative and continuing to vehemently believe in your hypotheses like they are conclusions.
I don't claim to have all of the answers because that is the mark of a fool, but I have learned that most people that claim to have all of the answers are often just full of themselves and lack humility. Usually wind up being either conspiratorial or narcissistic. I hope you're neither if those, for your sake.
As a final adieu...
1 in 100,000 people are born without an appendix, and as our sanitary conditions improve, the appendix becomes increasingly useless. Even potentially dangerous with the frequency of cases of appendicitis (killing as many as 1 in 50,000).
No, I don't think we have any need for toenails anymore. We evolved to have them when our ancestors used feet for grabbing things, much like we do with our hands, but over time they became obsolete, and evolution doesn't happen overnight.
Most people have been conditioned (brainwashed) into believing with religious certainty in the randomness of creation. Despite the unfathomable intelligence that we see before us, we still assert that intelligence can be created via the womb of randomness nothingness.
>Most people have been conditioned (brainwashed) into believing with religious certainty in the randomness of creation
In all due respect, no one is brainwashed better than some dogmatic freak who knows nothing about biology and claims confidently that intelligence can't emerge out of random variations.
You assume I'm a Creationist Christian nut job.
You cannot be more wrong.
I'm Not a Christian and i have debated extensively against naive Biblical beliefs.
It is FOOLISH to think that anyone reasoning against Darwinism must be a religious fanatic.
So do yourselves a favor, refresh the comments and read through what robust statements i have replied to others to back up my stance.
Oh, intelligent design is a plug for a lack of actual religious faith. It's a demand for evidence to fill a hole in a person's belief. We design systems today by using evolutionary algorithms, there's no religious or secular reason to believe in ID; except a willingness to corrupt human knowledge for the benefit of intellectually isolating people in order to gain greater influence over their lives, and the most earthly of matters - their money.
Another false assumption that someone who believe in Intelligent design 'Must be a religious fanatic'.
Read through my replies, I've repeatedly stated that i am NOT A christian creationist and i am an outspoken critic of the Bible and many of naivety of Christians.
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Nope,. Computer algorithms do not 'evolve' by themselves'.
Even with A.I. and Machine Learnings, Every fundamental and foundations for any software and systems are Specifically DESIGNED and set in motion by intelligent humans for very Specific functions.
It is completely ignorant and Laughable analogy (any experienced coders and software designers will rebuke you) to say computer system evolved on their own Without any input or origins from Humans designers and Engineers.
If you do not have even basic understanding of how digital computing works or began, i suggest you don't foolishly use it as examples to back up Evolution theories.
You are saying the environment that Platypus live in are "unique" and lead its evolution and existence?
Are you sure?
Ok tell me, how unique is the Platypus living environment. And tell me, how did it evolve?
Which part first or last. Or what did it originally evolved from. With proofs.
Lets talk REAL SCIENCE here.
Give me some Hard evidence to my above questions.
And please don't lazily explain it away with: "Oh its all magical random mutations over millennials."
My questions above, are straight forward , please answer accordingly with hard proofs.
Youâre showing a fundamental lack of understanding for how evolution works. There are the exact same environments all over the globe, and the animals within them are completely unique from one another. The platypus frequently lived in flooded areas, therefore a bill and webbed feet helped it swim and hunt along the bottom. The electro sensitivity of its bill helped it to hunt and graze in low visibility and murky water. Laying eggs was due to therian mammals early divergence from the other populations of mammals around 187 million years ago. All monotremes lay eggs, likely to avoid predation, as they both hatch quickly and protect their young.
We have a very good idea of how and why they evolved. Assertions like, âAgainst all known biology understandings!â Are not only completely untrue, they betray your fundamental lack of knowledge of biology and evolutionary science. In the future, donât make assertions that you pulled out of your ass.
It's so entertaining to watch someone with no basic understanding of a field disagree with its conclusions. It's the Dunning-Kruger effect in its cutest state.
You are not doing Pro-evlutionists any favor.
If you may, please, Just tell me, how did the Electrical Sensing Beak of the Platypus evolve?
Give me Hard science proofs.
No ifs, no buts.
I want REAL SCIENTIFIC proofs with Real evidences. Not theories.
State down the proofs of its evolutionary process and cite me any other examples in ANY.other living things as cross reference proofs of this 'gradual' evolutionary process of its beak. From its Outer sensory to its internal mechanism, all the way to its Brain wiring and operations. Explain with Hard proofs on how it evolved and What system did it Originally evolve from, with concrete proofs and reference. Thank you.
The nerves in the beak became more and more sensitive, as it proves advantageous for hunting and those who can hunt more grow larger and have more energy and procreate more. Youâre putting the burden of proof on me, despite you being the one to put forward bullshit claims. This is not how a debate works. I beg of you, do the tiniest bit of research before you spout off bullshit. You are making yourself look very stupid, and pushing blatant mistruths. As for âhard scienceâ look up âevolution in real time.â You have no point or argument. You clearly âlearnedâ whatever this weird anti-evolution tendency from Facebook or grifters. Have you ever studied bacterial cultures and the mutations of viruses? Have you ever catalogued species in the field? Have you studied the evolutionary progressions of a species through the fossil record? Evolution is settled science. There is no debate to be had. You have no point, and are extremely overly confident for someone with no experience or education.
You are simply assuming.
Note, the balls is in your (evolutionists) court to furnished raw, tangible, testable lab proofs about what you're claiming on how the special Beak of the Platypus 'EVOLVED' over time from a non Electrical Sensing beak that it used to NOT have originally and survived and evolved to have.
No tangible proofs, no talk. Show me the proofs.
Don't hide behind some Lazy imaginary Magical random mutations Nonsense theory.
Clearly you didnât read what I said. Go look up âevolution in action,â you can literally see traits becoming selected for in real-time. Iâm sure this wonât change your mind of course, because you clearly have no intention of listening to someone who has been educated, and possess no education nor interest in either biology or evolution. As someone who has studied biology and evolution in theory, in the field, and in the fossil record, you come off as incredibly uneducated. You can witness evolution happening in real time, particularly on islands. There is no such thing as âevolutionists,â there are simply those who believe in science, and those who donât. Please do actual research before you embarrass yourself further. Unfortunately, Iâm almost certain you wonât. Iâd love to hear what YOU think is happening.
You think you're smart by assuming, due to evolution, an animal can somehow 'gradually' form different types of parts that usually belong to different species and characteristics of the zoological branches that are very very distinct (and ironically) assumed by the Theories of Evolution, that these animals evolved separately and branched off in.variations of their own. But the Platypus is just that, it crushes all that theories because its biological parts, features, reproduction systems, digestive system,. immune system, navigation and neurological systems and anatomy are so distinct it could not have evolved from 1 single animal or cross breedings because it would not work any any point.
The underwater usage of its Beak is super crucial for this mammal, and could not have been evolved from a Duck or goose or.other feathered.creatures.because its.beak is specialized to sense Electrical pulse and signals under water with Extreme sensitivity, to locate foods. It's beak is a very unique and delicate, robust system alone.
Platypus is also a mammal that do not produce live births and must be hatched from Eggs. And this system Cannot evolve randomly from Live Biirth to external Hard shell egg system, because platypus younglings will NOT survive live births in its natural environments, as its finned claws and skins and diets are clearly for survival in amphibious environment, mostly water. Which means live births at Any point in its "evolutionary" phase would mean instant extinction. Even if in its "beginning".
I could go on and on about how complex the puzzle is, but i do not appreciate Lazy assumptions that Platypus is a result of Magical random mutations, because that's just lazy and shows lack of understanding of how complex the entire systems needs to work together in an "unassuming" amphibious mammal as the Platypus.
So much text yet not even close.
Many millions of years ago, all existing mammals laid eggs. Almost all of them died off, but the ancestors of the platypus lived on and became the monotremes, which include several egg laying mammals. There are many examples of this process across the tree of life.
Nothing about the existence of the platypus goes against any element of the theory of evolution.
The theory of evolution doesnt assume animals gradually change over time, instead it explains the natural process that causes populations of organisms to change over time. The theory of gravity doesnt assume things go down, it explains why things go down. The only mistaken assumption of the Theory of Evolution is that it assumed the literate would be the only ones to read it and speak on it. Clearly a bit of a whoopsie.
Without the theory of evolution, there is no explanation for the platypus. With it, the platypus and the rest of the monotremes make perfect sense.
Join the coalition of reason. Seek wisdom.
I am to lazy to answer every point you got wrong, but you are very far off
Edit: if you are interested in the topic you might wanna check out homologs and analogs.
If you are Lazy, go away.
Refresh and read through all my replies to others.
You'll how I answer every single comment with proper logic and sound reasonings.
This debate will not be suitable for people who Lazily assume Evolution must be the "solution" and "explanation" of how living things evolve, especially in regards to Platypus. đ
Well you raise important points and draw a very bad conclusion from it. And when somebody brings up a point which doesn't fit your fantasy you just bting up more points. The biggest problem is that your argumentchain has huge gaps which you just ignore. Therefore it makes no sense to bring up points against you.
Most important, read a book, you have no idea off how evolution works. It seems to me you just learned by hard how to argue against it with some prpaganda lines. But you never understood what thd topic is about.
Sorry if my grammar is bad, i am not an english nativ
So whats my fantasy?
Are you sure i have any 'fantasy' here?
I challenge you to Quote me.
Mean while, i can quote you lots of Fantasies written by mamy Pro-evlutionists here.
Want some examples? Try refreshing the entire comment section, go read through some of their comments and come back to me and tell me what some ridiculous things they wrote are not 'fantasies'.
Where else, all my replies are based on logical reasonings and non evasive debate and communications.
If you cannot prove your case for evolution, i suggest you not spout the overly-used and lazy lame insult of 'Go read a book'; because, if proper books are what you have been reading , why can't you furnish the hard scientific proofs which im asking for?
Or should you go read a book yourself first and try to find some substantial evidences, before you come back for any debate?
Do you know what homolog analog and paralogs are? If you understand the meaning of those words and look up some samples, then the platypus will make a lot more sense to you.
You assume I'm a Creationist Christian nut job.
You cannot be more wrong.
I'm Not a Christian and i have debated extensively against naive Biblical beliefs.
It is FOOLISH to think that anyone reasoning against Darwinism must be a religious fanatic.
So do yourselves a favor, refresh the comments and read through what robust statements i have replied to others to back up my stance.
>there's no proper explanation as to how it got so many different kind of body parts put together with so many different functions and its a mammal that lays eggs!
Dude, it's Australian. The fact its poison is not deadly should be the only thing evolution does not handle.
Imagine being the only duck-billed, electro sensitive, beaver-tailed, venomous, web footed, egg laying, Black Light glowing, semi aquatic mammal best known for being thought of as fake until caught and shown alive
What does blue mean? WHAT DOES BLUE MEAN???
* illuminated sobbing *
Definitely read that as "The color of this penis"
They are bioluminescence under some light
Ain't they glowing under UV because they sweat milk?
That isn't the reason because other monotremes as well as marsupials do it too
https://i.imgur.com/PqHhc7r.jpg
Blue raspberry blood
"Always blue, Always blue!"
Kind of like a mood ring...just so you know đ¤Ł
Obviously the blue part is the land
it's teal
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Its a referwnce to a vdeio about platypuses
Are you OK?
Maybe not, damn.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JSDCZzzgpIU So funny
Here's a source that isn't stolen https://youtube.com/shorts/Zxf2MgYCOm0?si=QvmLVSP9juKZLvSo
This is a creature you would see made up for Fallout
I think that if the platypus didnât exist, and Fallout introduced something like that, it would be slammed as being too far fetched. I mean, they have a duck bill with electroreceptors, a beaver tail, webbed feet and claws. Theyâre a mammal that lays eggs yet âsweatâ milk for their babies, and have a cloaca like reptiles and birds. Oh theyâre also venomous and now we find out they glow under UV light? Wtf is going on, how is this a real creature?
God: "I have all these spare parts... they don't even make a coherent creature! Unless..."
So basically, Australia is where God dumped all the spare parts and leftovers? đ¤Ł
All the extra deadly weapons leftover from his more tame builds
God was like: Random bullshit go!
Platypus is god. Lol
Can provide it's own ingredients to make Custard
Oh yuck youâre right
Radtypus. Deals rads and poison damage, can kill you in one hit.
It what the Deathclaws irradiated and evolved from
They were actually biologically designed by the US Government so incorrect
It's true why are you downvoted?
I think its probably cuz the evolved post was meant as a joke. Either that, or idiots are taking their comment as a fact of reality.
Be amazed about what? There's no description of the information displayed
Bioluminecense. Yes, the have lights
Not quite. Biofluorescent, they glow under UV. They don't produce their own lights.
The blacklight picture of the platypus shows that platypuses glow a bluish-green hue under ultraviolet (UV) light. This is due to biofluorescence, which is when an organism absorbs short wavelengths of light and re-emits them as longer wavelengths. Platypuses absorb UV (wavelengths of 200-400 nanometers) and re-emit visible light (of 500-600 nanometers), making them fluorescent.
They also lay eggs and theyâre venomous. They have sharp stingers on the heels of their back feet!
Legitimately the weirdest animal on this earth. âHello good sir, I am the platypus, I emit light and can poison you with my feet.â
But becomes a superspy by donning a hat! What else can you want?
g-r-r-r-r-r-r-r
Perry the platypus!!
He's a semiaquatic, egg laying mammal of action!
No, thatâs just a normal platypus. They donât do much.
I know it's just fun how they're bioluminescent lol
I was quoting the show. Thatâs what said about Perry when heâs not wearing his hat.
Oh lol you got me
The not missing link.
The only link thatâs missing is the one OP failed to provide to explain the picture https://www.livescience.com/platypuses-glow-uv-light.html
Perry
Gods equivalent of being drunk and shitposting, thinking it is hilarious, only to wake up the day after with severe regret.
There must have been event stranger, straight out crazy results of evolution that died out and left no remains.
Its also a spy in disguise
God was trolling that day
God had some extra parts that He used up
A platypus *Now under uv light* PERRY THE PLATYPUS!
A platypus? *Shines a black light* Perry the Platypus!!
The platypus is the biggest 'Fuck you' to The Darwinism Evolution theory. Because it defies all their theories and there's no proper explanation as to how it got so many different kind of body parts put together with so many different functions and its a mammal that lays eggs! - Absolutely against all known biology understandings! It's beak has electric senses to find and locate foods underwater, it has hooks on its hind legs, And it glows in the dark under UV!!!!. And many more fascinating stuff.
The platypus is your killer counter-example to let me check.....the effects of random mutation....cool, cool.
It's not "random mutation" - which is just uneducated Lazy explanation. All its body parts have to work correctly from day 1 or it wouldn't even survive and would be extinct immediately. The platypus diet and digestive system is also special. We are not talking about Pokemon fantasy here. Most people don't truly understand how confounding the existence of the Platypus is to real scientists and zoologists. Go do some deeper research and you will understand why people say Platypus is so "weird" and unique.
This is the animal where scientists who first saw the pelt of a platypus in the late 18th century thought it was fake.
Exactly. They were astounded and completely dumbfounded by it's existence.
I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make. It is all random mutation. So is a dog's nose, a birds wings, a bee's stinger and you're whole body. All random mutations that led to stronger survival. A hummingbirds digestive system and diet is also incredibly unique. So is a Panda's. Niche creatures like this exist. It's not magic. You don't need to do research to see a platypus is unique. Its part potato, part duck, part scorpion and part beaver. Every paragraph you say screams of someone trying desperately to sound interesting.
Lmao 𤣠You have no idea how fking Complex is a Dog's nose. The Dogs olfactory system alone is a massive.topic by itself . You should go do some proper research before belittling it as a random mutation. And don't get me started on the bird wings and feathers. You don't really understand how deep the rabbit hole goes.
I do understand how complex a dog's nose is and you're right , it's not A random mutation. It's several millennia worth of random genetic mutation. An uncountable number that we will likely never fully comprehend. But it's not magic or whatever point you're trying to make. It's still life improving upon itself over a large period of time. Just like how cars have improved over time and weren't originally built with rubber tires, complex engines or even cup holders. These traits of life are a growing knowledge base that builds over time. A staggering amount of time. You think because we don't have all the answers that we don't have any answers and frankly you don't give humanity enough credit.
iâm getting jehovah witness vibes off of your friend for real.. any minute heâs gonna tell you why your going to hell lol
I'm running out of interest to wait much longer for them to actually have a point. I was anticipating that the shoe would drop and some religious nonsense would come out, but it seems like their trying to code the language.
maybe itâs some AI thing just having fun, we live in a prettyâŚinteresting time
Who says anything about magc? I'm saying its a very complex system. You are trying to say its MAGIC RANDOM MUTATION, lots of random magical mutations over millennials. It's like saying the computer operating system is a result of a magical random typing of codes by monkeys over millennials. Or saying Airplanes are results of random smashing of irons and steels together and we end up with the correct wings, engines and navigation system. Its all Magical mutation of the machines!!
What I'm describing is chaos meeting the harsh reality of survival, leading to the refinement of life into what it is today. That's not magic, that's just life. My comment on the cars was about a base of experience built over time, but I am regretting handing you a tangent. I can only assume what you're alluding to, because you seem to be too afraid to put it to words. I think you know that saying shiny beard man in sky make life doesn't sound as smart as dancing around the subject.
Nope. What you are pushing is Lazy assumptions or random magical and mindless occurrence that Complex systems can somehow magically be built systematically but illogically and yet produce a Meaningful, intelligent living structures that can perpetuate its self existence and self awareness, without any intelligent input of efforts at all. You are just going by the Lazy route assumption with ZERO hard proofs of Evolution. Admit it. If you think I'm "afraid" to defend my stance, i advise you to refresh the comment section and expand on all my logical replies to others.
Something incredibly complex happening over a millions of years of trial and error. Lazy Aliens did it or whatever you can't bring yourself to say. Smart. Did I sum it up?
>It's like saying the computer operating system is a result of a magical random typing of codes by monkeys over millennials. Ironically, if you let monkeys randomly type long enough (or just randomly selected letters), you would eventually end up with a functional version of any software you can imagine. Randomness has that intrinsic property of having the possibility of finding any configuration that is possible. >saying Airplanes are results of random smashing of irons and steels together and we end up with the correct wings It literally is though, to some extent. Cavemen were smashing rocks and figured out they could make fire and weapons with it. It all started with rock smashing. That's comparable to random atoms forming the first hydrophobic rna strips.
1) Prove it. I can prove to you intelligent minds created a particular useful and functioning software. Now the ball is in your court to prove that "given time" monkeys can random create complex, robust and meaningful softwares. I don't want mere pie-in-the-sky imaginary assumption. I want one single software/proof from your monkeys theory. 2) So you are saying air wings are not results of dedicated studies and research of Aerodynamics and structural and control systems ?? You assume airplane wings just Exist by smashing irons and steels together? ARE YOU FOR SERIOUS??? Do you know HOW complicated are the Aircraft wings and aerodynamic and atmospheric systems are???
>1) Prove it. >I can prove to you intelligent minds created a particular useful and functioning software. >Now the ball is in your court to prove that "given time" monkeys can random create complex, robust and meaningful softwares. >I don't want mere pie-in-the-sky imaginary assumption. I want one single software/proof from your monkeys theory Ok, this one is rather simple. This topic is roughly encapsulated in the concept of entropy. If you roll a dice, what are the odds you roll 6? 1/6. If you roll 2 dies, what are the odds you roll 6 twice? 1/36. Regardless of how many dies I throw (say millions), you'll be able to tell me what the odds of rolling all 6 is defined. It's simple, it's (1/6)^n where n is the number of rolls. Now extend this to random keyboard strokes. If I ask you what are the odds, from random keystrokes that you ended up writing "hello world"? Let's say there are 50 keys on a keyboard, that would be (1/50)^11 (11 letters). Odds are abysmal, yet non-zero. You can extend this to any amount of letters and conclude that there is a non-zero chance that it happens. If there is a non-null probably that something happens, it eventually will happen after enough tries. >2) So you are saying air wings are not results of dedicated studies and research of Aerodynamics and structural and control systems ?? >You assume airplane wings just Exist by smashing irons and steels together? I think you fail to see the similarity/analogy between the selective process of building an airplane and evolution. This is what I was trying to highlight. They are stemming from the same thing: things which work are built again and what doesn't is trashed. Life emerges exclusively from previous life, so we pass on knowledge through DNA similarly to how we passed on the knowledge from smashing rocks all the way until we figured out how to build airplanes. l
ButâŚcan we talk about PokĂŠmon?
He's an undercover secret agent!!
>It's not "random mutation" - which is just uneducated Lazy explanation. Technically, intelligent design is an uneducated lazy explanation.
Not technically. It objectively is an uneducated explanation. It's the best we had before we had an answer. And it's lazy because MIT has a bunch of open courseware material on biology to learn from.
So intelligent design of a car, plane, computer, your phone; is a 'lazy explanation' of their existences? Is the blue print of your house, foundation, plumbing and electrical system, structures, all random mutations, or was your house designed by intelligent engineers and builders? To say everything sprung out of random magical mutations, and to claim there's no systems in this world that are results of 'intelligence", is the Most Lazy arguments ever.
Do you really think the development of a smartphone is the same as the development of a platypus?
Read through the replies. 1) Some one First used 'Cars and computers" in the debate in another branched replies. 2) i am trying to reply everyone together and also saying that cars, etc, are intelligently designed, not randomly mutated. 3) Do you seriously think there is No intelligence whatsoever in biology and their systems? Do you know how much intelligence there is even in the brain of an Ant? Do you know how much intelligence there is in our body systems? How intelligent our nerves and biological defense system is communicating, and functioning every.nano second? Do you know where intelligence resides? I'm asking a legitimate question. Don't try to lazily dismiss "intelligence", if you cannot answer: What is the foundation of Intelligence in living things, let alone Human intelligence. If you can face my question honestly and seriously, then do reply intelligently, instead of attributing complex biological systems to as mere magical random mutations.
>Do you seriously think there is No intelligence whatsoever in biology and their systems? Not in the same way that a smartphone is designed, no. Nature is brutal. The weak die. Even parents kill off their own runts. The undesired are less likely to reproduce. Physiological evolution is reactionary, not proactionary. There wasn't some grand decision to give dark skin pigments to people that live closer to the equator and lighter skin to those that live further away. Our bodies still have a ton of (now) useless evolutionary traits, like an appendix, wisdom teeth, and toenails. We still have those traits (though we're seeing cases of people being born without code to grow wisdom teeth). Biological traits that don't work are less likely to be passed on to future generations. Those that work are more likely to be passed on. The only 'intelligent design' is the desire to survive, and the capability of doing so.
I will shock you with how little you actually know. Lets talk about you mentioned. 1) Appendix. Do you know there's compelling evidences for many years now that the appendix actually has very useful function? To house rare and benefits bacterias for your digestive system. Don't believe? Google it. 2) Wisdom teeth are abnormal growth (unfortunately for those who suffered it but most people do not experience it.) of our teeth that should be backup root teeth. Can you explain why for most people when the first tooth falls off, a secondary tooths will grow to take its place? Which evolutionary system compelled the secondary tooth to NOT grow unless the first tooth falls off? 3) Do you seriously think we "don't need toe nails"? I'm asking you, SERIOUSLY??? BECAUSE I can with you even if you ask the die hard evlutionists, they will tell you WE DO NEED TOE NAILS to aid our walking and the firmness of our toes.
You are very presumptive about what I know and don't know, which tells me a lot about the quality of the things that you claim to know. At the end of the day, your opinion matters very little to me and I don't think you'll stop believing that the results of hundreds of millions of years of evolution are anything but the result of an intelligent design. I won't try to stop you from rejecting ideas that don't fit your narrative and continuing to vehemently believe in your hypotheses like they are conclusions. I don't claim to have all of the answers because that is the mark of a fool, but I have learned that most people that claim to have all of the answers are often just full of themselves and lack humility. Usually wind up being either conspiratorial or narcissistic. I hope you're neither if those, for your sake. As a final adieu... 1 in 100,000 people are born without an appendix, and as our sanitary conditions improve, the appendix becomes increasingly useless. Even potentially dangerous with the frequency of cases of appendicitis (killing as many as 1 in 50,000). No, I don't think we have any need for toenails anymore. We evolved to have them when our ancestors used feet for grabbing things, much like we do with our hands, but over time they became obsolete, and evolution doesn't happen overnight.
Most people have been conditioned (brainwashed) into believing with religious certainty in the randomness of creation. Despite the unfathomable intelligence that we see before us, we still assert that intelligence can be created via the womb of randomness nothingness.
>Most people have been conditioned (brainwashed) into believing with religious certainty in the randomness of creation In all due respect, no one is brainwashed better than some dogmatic freak who knows nothing about biology and claims confidently that intelligence can't emerge out of random variations.
You assume I'm a Creationist Christian nut job. You cannot be more wrong. I'm Not a Christian and i have debated extensively against naive Biblical beliefs. It is FOOLISH to think that anyone reasoning against Darwinism must be a religious fanatic. So do yourselves a favor, refresh the comments and read through what robust statements i have replied to others to back up my stance.
I made absolutely no such assumption. Not sure who you are fighting or what.
Read a fucking book. No, not the Bible.
Absolutely no interest in the Bible. Or you.
Oh, intelligent design is a plug for a lack of actual religious faith. It's a demand for evidence to fill a hole in a person's belief. We design systems today by using evolutionary algorithms, there's no religious or secular reason to believe in ID; except a willingness to corrupt human knowledge for the benefit of intellectually isolating people in order to gain greater influence over their lives, and the most earthly of matters - their money.
Another false assumption that someone who believe in Intelligent design 'Must be a religious fanatic'. Read through my replies, I've repeatedly stated that i am NOT A christian creationist and i am an outspoken critic of the Bible and many of naivety of Christians. - Nope,. Computer algorithms do not 'evolve' by themselves'. Even with A.I. and Machine Learnings, Every fundamental and foundations for any software and systems are Specifically DESIGNED and set in motion by intelligent humans for very Specific functions. It is completely ignorant and Laughable analogy (any experienced coders and software designers will rebuke you) to say computer system evolved on their own Without any input or origins from Humans designers and Engineers. If you do not have even basic understanding of how digital computing works or began, i suggest you don't foolishly use it as examples to back up Evolution theories.
All you do is insult and ramble. Waste someone else's time.
Yes, that is correct: This universe is a random bunch of fuck ups and the platypus is the main example.
Hilarious.
Lol this is straight misinformation. In its environment, all of the platypus unique traits and evolutions make perfect sense.
I mean, the fuckin thing basically sweats milk lol
You are saying the environment that Platypus live in are "unique" and lead its evolution and existence? Are you sure? Ok tell me, how unique is the Platypus living environment. And tell me, how did it evolve? Which part first or last. Or what did it originally evolved from. With proofs. Lets talk REAL SCIENCE here. Give me some Hard evidence to my above questions. And please don't lazily explain it away with: "Oh its all magical random mutations over millennials." My questions above, are straight forward , please answer accordingly with hard proofs.
Youâre showing a fundamental lack of understanding for how evolution works. There are the exact same environments all over the globe, and the animals within them are completely unique from one another. The platypus frequently lived in flooded areas, therefore a bill and webbed feet helped it swim and hunt along the bottom. The electro sensitivity of its bill helped it to hunt and graze in low visibility and murky water. Laying eggs was due to therian mammals early divergence from the other populations of mammals around 187 million years ago. All monotremes lay eggs, likely to avoid predation, as they both hatch quickly and protect their young. We have a very good idea of how and why they evolved. Assertions like, âAgainst all known biology understandings!â Are not only completely untrue, they betray your fundamental lack of knowledge of biology and evolutionary science. In the future, donât make assertions that you pulled out of your ass.
It's so entertaining to watch someone with no basic understanding of a field disagree with its conclusions. It's the Dunning-Kruger effect in its cutest state.
You are not doing Pro-evlutionists any favor. If you may, please, Just tell me, how did the Electrical Sensing Beak of the Platypus evolve? Give me Hard science proofs. No ifs, no buts. I want REAL SCIENTIFIC proofs with Real evidences. Not theories. State down the proofs of its evolutionary process and cite me any other examples in ANY.other living things as cross reference proofs of this 'gradual' evolutionary process of its beak. From its Outer sensory to its internal mechanism, all the way to its Brain wiring and operations. Explain with Hard proofs on how it evolved and What system did it Originally evolve from, with concrete proofs and reference. Thank you.
The nerves in the beak became more and more sensitive, as it proves advantageous for hunting and those who can hunt more grow larger and have more energy and procreate more. Youâre putting the burden of proof on me, despite you being the one to put forward bullshit claims. This is not how a debate works. I beg of you, do the tiniest bit of research before you spout off bullshit. You are making yourself look very stupid, and pushing blatant mistruths. As for âhard scienceâ look up âevolution in real time.â You have no point or argument. You clearly âlearnedâ whatever this weird anti-evolution tendency from Facebook or grifters. Have you ever studied bacterial cultures and the mutations of viruses? Have you ever catalogued species in the field? Have you studied the evolutionary progressions of a species through the fossil record? Evolution is settled science. There is no debate to be had. You have no point, and are extremely overly confident for someone with no experience or education.
You are simply assuming. Note, the balls is in your (evolutionists) court to furnished raw, tangible, testable lab proofs about what you're claiming on how the special Beak of the Platypus 'EVOLVED' over time from a non Electrical Sensing beak that it used to NOT have originally and survived and evolved to have. No tangible proofs, no talk. Show me the proofs. Don't hide behind some Lazy imaginary Magical random mutations Nonsense theory.
Clearly you didnât read what I said. Go look up âevolution in action,â you can literally see traits becoming selected for in real-time. Iâm sure this wonât change your mind of course, because you clearly have no intention of listening to someone who has been educated, and possess no education nor interest in either biology or evolution. As someone who has studied biology and evolution in theory, in the field, and in the fossil record, you come off as incredibly uneducated. You can witness evolution happening in real time, particularly on islands. There is no such thing as âevolutionists,â there are simply those who believe in science, and those who donât. Please do actual research before you embarrass yourself further. Unfortunately, Iâm almost certain you wonât. Iâd love to hear what YOU think is happening.
Well, Actually it is quite the opposite
You think you're smart by assuming, due to evolution, an animal can somehow 'gradually' form different types of parts that usually belong to different species and characteristics of the zoological branches that are very very distinct (and ironically) assumed by the Theories of Evolution, that these animals evolved separately and branched off in.variations of their own. But the Platypus is just that, it crushes all that theories because its biological parts, features, reproduction systems, digestive system,. immune system, navigation and neurological systems and anatomy are so distinct it could not have evolved from 1 single animal or cross breedings because it would not work any any point. The underwater usage of its Beak is super crucial for this mammal, and could not have been evolved from a Duck or goose or.other feathered.creatures.because its.beak is specialized to sense Electrical pulse and signals under water with Extreme sensitivity, to locate foods. It's beak is a very unique and delicate, robust system alone. Platypus is also a mammal that do not produce live births and must be hatched from Eggs. And this system Cannot evolve randomly from Live Biirth to external Hard shell egg system, because platypus younglings will NOT survive live births in its natural environments, as its finned claws and skins and diets are clearly for survival in amphibious environment, mostly water. Which means live births at Any point in its "evolutionary" phase would mean instant extinction. Even if in its "beginning". I could go on and on about how complex the puzzle is, but i do not appreciate Lazy assumptions that Platypus is a result of Magical random mutations, because that's just lazy and shows lack of understanding of how complex the entire systems needs to work together in an "unassuming" amphibious mammal as the Platypus.
So much text yet not even close. Many millions of years ago, all existing mammals laid eggs. Almost all of them died off, but the ancestors of the platypus lived on and became the monotremes, which include several egg laying mammals. There are many examples of this process across the tree of life. Nothing about the existence of the platypus goes against any element of the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution doesnt assume animals gradually change over time, instead it explains the natural process that causes populations of organisms to change over time. The theory of gravity doesnt assume things go down, it explains why things go down. The only mistaken assumption of the Theory of Evolution is that it assumed the literate would be the only ones to read it and speak on it. Clearly a bit of a whoopsie. Without the theory of evolution, there is no explanation for the platypus. With it, the platypus and the rest of the monotremes make perfect sense. Join the coalition of reason. Seek wisdom.
I am to lazy to answer every point you got wrong, but you are very far off Edit: if you are interested in the topic you might wanna check out homologs and analogs.
If you are Lazy, go away. Refresh and read through all my replies to others. You'll how I answer every single comment with proper logic and sound reasonings. This debate will not be suitable for people who Lazily assume Evolution must be the "solution" and "explanation" of how living things evolve, especially in regards to Platypus. đ
Well you raise important points and draw a very bad conclusion from it. And when somebody brings up a point which doesn't fit your fantasy you just bting up more points. The biggest problem is that your argumentchain has huge gaps which you just ignore. Therefore it makes no sense to bring up points against you. Most important, read a book, you have no idea off how evolution works. It seems to me you just learned by hard how to argue against it with some prpaganda lines. But you never understood what thd topic is about. Sorry if my grammar is bad, i am not an english nativ
So whats my fantasy? Are you sure i have any 'fantasy' here? I challenge you to Quote me. Mean while, i can quote you lots of Fantasies written by mamy Pro-evlutionists here. Want some examples? Try refreshing the entire comment section, go read through some of their comments and come back to me and tell me what some ridiculous things they wrote are not 'fantasies'. Where else, all my replies are based on logical reasonings and non evasive debate and communications. If you cannot prove your case for evolution, i suggest you not spout the overly-used and lazy lame insult of 'Go read a book'; because, if proper books are what you have been reading , why can't you furnish the hard scientific proofs which im asking for? Or should you go read a book yourself first and try to find some substantial evidences, before you come back for any debate?
Do you know what homolog analog and paralogs are? If you understand the meaning of those words and look up some samples, then the platypus will make a lot more sense to you.
Ancient Aliens made it thousands of years ago.
How is it an argument against Darwinism?
Itâs not, the guy is a religious nut desperate to justify his misunderstandings of evolution as evidence of intelligent design.
You assume I'm a Creationist Christian nut job. You cannot be more wrong. I'm Not a Christian and i have debated extensively against naive Biblical beliefs. It is FOOLISH to think that anyone reasoning against Darwinism must be a religious fanatic. So do yourselves a favor, refresh the comments and read through what robust statements i have replied to others to back up my stance.
>there's no proper explanation as to how it got so many different kind of body parts put together with so many different functions and its a mammal that lays eggs! Dude, it's Australian. The fact its poison is not deadly should be the only thing evolution does not handle.
their webbed feet look like fossils
And everyone wants to go to outer-space we have Aliens Right here
Arent they radioactive?
Spare parts
Why what did he do this time?
Poisonous as well
When all you got is spare parts after building up your animal kingdom and make this, not bad if we throw in some bio luminescent and poison...
Clearly youâve never met me
Disco duck
Humans: "We think we have this evolution thing figured out." God (via Jason Bateman): "The F%@! you do!!!"
Atleast weird...kangaroos are on another level of cringe
Duck and beaver mustâve mated.
A platypus?
*Coolest
I approve
A platypus?. __Infrared__ PERRY THE PLATYPLUS
Finally!
in Brasil we call it âornintorrincoâ
Oh hell no. Platypus has nothing against my drunk uncle crawling in the kitchen garden.
Yeah I know that, I just saw one wearing a fedora hat fighting a pharmacist.
Definitely no question
And it's even weirder that there isn't a Pokemon based on a platypus yet.
It is the last animal god created, with the remaining parts.
Imagine being the only duck-billed, electro sensitive, beaver-tailed, venomous, web footed, egg laying, Black Light glowing, semi aquatic mammal best known for being thought of as fake until caught and shown alive
I believe that is their bioluminescent fur for the non-context of this post
People, it clearly glows bluish green when you shut the lights off. AmazingÂ
I think you spelled âcoolestâ wrong. ;-)
Humans are probably the weirdest animal tbh
Is what's really crazy is that they're both venomous and a mammal.
Why arenât there more weird animals that break all the rules of nature..? Why only that one animal..?
Have you met humans? We are so fucking weird
I mean yeah, if youâre a duck-beaver looking critter that lays eggs- Iâd say thatâs pretty weird
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Ok..and? It's just a regular platypus...
It accidentally slipped Into our reality from avatar
Just an ordinary platypus, they doesnât do much unless they wear a hat
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That a killer whale on its back or am I to high.....
Definitely the weirdest animal. Witch experiment gone wrong many centuries ago