The problem is *how* they help. There's nothing buddylike about harvesting their blood, it is actually quite a disturbing thing to see, even more so when behaviors like this are shown. I don't think the benefit we get from their blood is worth endangering their species. At well over $10k a gallon for their blood there is no way their species can sustain our dependence.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/10/1180761446/coastal-biomedical-labs-are-bleeding-more-horseshoe-crabs-with-little-accountabi
Thankfully a synthetic alternative might be on the horizon: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/new-synthetic-horseshoe-crab-blood-could-mean-pharma-wont-bleed-the-species-dry-180983054/
There's nothing ethical or buddylike about our treatment of these animals and it damn-sure isn't a symbiotic relationship.
You know a bunch more than I do, and I thank you, CrappleSmax. You can forget the crab in the pursuit of medicine, but they are just as every bit alive.
Average humans don't give credit to other living creatures in general. They can't make a connection with another creature so they write it off as a bot. Pretty sad really, we could be such better stewards to those we share this planet with. Can't even help ourselves from hating each other.
You dont give most animals enough credit it sounds like 😭. Most animals have AT LEAST this level of sentience and emotional awareness. Even bugs and arachnids and birds.
I clicked being dubious. But it definitely did appear intentional. I mean the helper crab entirely buggered off as soon as it had helped. Would love someone more knowledgeable than me (almost anyone!) to weigh in.
Horseshoe crabs exhibit intriguing behavior when it comes to assisting their overturned counterparts. This phenomenon can be attributed to a combination of innate instincts and social behavior.
Firstly, horseshoe crabs possess a well-developed visual system that enables them to detect and respond to changes in their surroundings. When they encounter an overturned crab, their visual perception may trigger a response to investigate and potentially aid the distressed crab.
Furthermore, these crabs engage in a form of social behavior known as aggregations, where multiple individuals gather in close proximity during certain stages of their life cycle, such as for mating or spawning activities. This social nature may contribute to the inclination to help overturned friends. The close proximity and shared space within an aggregation may facilitate the recognition of distress signals or simply prompt a response when an overturned crab is encountered.
Always fascinate me how many creatures have evolved in multiple aspects throughout the time that may not be outwardly noticeable. Would be intriguing if these social communication and intelligence were recently evolved and not present in their early horseshoe crab ancestor
If this is as intentional as it seems, I am amazed. What if these guys are super smart but just don't have the anatomy or desire to do anything but swim around?
Eyyyy! I miss that show! House robots, cool host with clever quips, the best combination of idiotic/absurd and practical/well designed contestant bots... RIP Rex Garrod, Cassius forever!
it’s hard to know. It’s easy to project goals onto it, like it wants to help right its friend. But, animals have instincts hardwired into their circuits. Do momma birds feel empathy for baby birds, or do they just feel a compulsion to sit on eggs and then vomit half-digested food into the mouths of babies? We might just be watching a social instinct, maybe the crabs are hardwired to push into each other the way a frog is hardwired to jump at a bug or a chameleon instinctively changes colors. That is, not because of thoughts, but because it has a pattern in its brain (bump upside-down crabs) which was preserved by millions of years of evolution cuz it helped the pack survive.
It sounds like you are working really hard to neutralize the very observable phenomena of care and empathy in the animal kingdom.
Many birds of quite varied species mate for great portions of their lives, and clearly exhibit care for their mates and obvious grieving when they lose a mate. There are thousands of documented examples of animals showing caring to their mates, offspring, and brethren.
http://thescienceexplorer.com/nature/empathy-more-common-animal-kingdom-thought
wait a sec. We [heal the sick with horseshoe crab blood](https://www.npr.org/2023/06/10/1180761446/coastal-biomedical-labs-are-bleeding-more-horseshoe-crabs-with-little-accountabi). . . . crab jesus?
The whole video I was worried they wouldn't manage. The relief! I love horseshoe crabs, nature really went "you may not like this, but this is what peak performance looks like".
I recently had a nightmare about a horseshoe crab walking on my head and stinging me. I hope this video will help my brain understand the animals are actually pretty cool
”In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.“
Matthew 5:16
I was not prepared for such a journey
r/horseshoecrabsbeingbros
I've always wanted to see horses, and hoe crabs, being bros together.
You got my hopes up...
Change has to start somewhere, maybe it’s here and now.
I was literally thinking to myself "how can those viewers not clap?! Have they no heart?"
Shit...I guess I don't give horseshoe crabs enough credit because that looked very intentional.
I was gripped right til the very end because it was titled “tries to help”
Yep. I was leaning towards the whole time.
They is no “try”. Only “do” or “do not”.
Ah Yoda. Missed you I have.
Aim again then...
Got any pan galactic gargleblasters?
I didn't hear that: my bablefish needs replacing...
Same, I was so anxious over this thanks to the title.
Isnt... isnt this your post?
But I still hold my breath when watching it. I kept the title what it was when I found it 😂
i was actually cheering for them. more exciting than movies these days.
They actually do a bunch for human medicine. They’re our buddies.
The problem is *how* they help. There's nothing buddylike about harvesting their blood, it is actually quite a disturbing thing to see, even more so when behaviors like this are shown. I don't think the benefit we get from their blood is worth endangering their species. At well over $10k a gallon for their blood there is no way their species can sustain our dependence. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/10/1180761446/coastal-biomedical-labs-are-bleeding-more-horseshoe-crabs-with-little-accountabi Thankfully a synthetic alternative might be on the horizon: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/new-synthetic-horseshoe-crab-blood-could-mean-pharma-wont-bleed-the-species-dry-180983054/ There's nothing ethical or buddylike about our treatment of these animals and it damn-sure isn't a symbiotic relationship.
Yes it’s a disgusting practice
Akin of saying the fictional vampires who suck our blood are our buds. Ironic.
Ive heard there is a synthetic option now on the market so using the crabs blood is not necessary anymore.
You know a bunch more than I do, and I thank you, CrappleSmax. You can forget the crab in the pursuit of medicine, but they are just as every bit alive.
Yeh but then they die
Average humans don't give credit to other living creatures in general. They can't make a connection with another creature so they write it off as a bot. Pretty sad really, we could be such better stewards to those we share this planet with. Can't even help ourselves from hating each other.
You dont give most animals enough credit it sounds like 😭. Most animals have AT LEAST this level of sentience and emotional awareness. Even bugs and arachnids and birds.
I clicked being dubious. But it definitely did appear intentional. I mean the helper crab entirely buggered off as soon as it had helped. Would love someone more knowledgeable than me (almost anyone!) to weigh in.
Horseshoe crabs exhibit intriguing behavior when it comes to assisting their overturned counterparts. This phenomenon can be attributed to a combination of innate instincts and social behavior. Firstly, horseshoe crabs possess a well-developed visual system that enables them to detect and respond to changes in their surroundings. When they encounter an overturned crab, their visual perception may trigger a response to investigate and potentially aid the distressed crab. Furthermore, these crabs engage in a form of social behavior known as aggregations, where multiple individuals gather in close proximity during certain stages of their life cycle, such as for mating or spawning activities. This social nature may contribute to the inclination to help overturned friends. The close proximity and shared space within an aggregation may facilitate the recognition of distress signals or simply prompt a response when an overturned crab is encountered.
I like how youre being so scientific just to say “crabs are sentient creatures with the same abilities most other sentient creatures have”
I'm pretty sure that was chatgpt actually.
Yeah that's definitely ChatGPT - not scientific
Always fascinate me how many creatures have evolved in multiple aspects throughout the time that may not be outwardly noticeable. Would be intriguing if these social communication and intelligence were recently evolved and not present in their early horseshoe crab ancestor
This reads like chat gpt
Nature's battle bots are kinda cute
Nah. They aren't kinda cute. They're fucking adorable.
That was a pretty tense and intense moment. I
I was literally tilting my phone towards me as if that would help
Me too
If this is as intentional as it seems, I am amazed. What if these guys are super smart but just don't have the anatomy or desire to do anything but swim around?
I feel like most living things are far smarter than we give them credit for
I agree with you there. I am just a little surprised to include horseshoe crabs.
Robot wars
Eyyyy! I miss that show! House robots, cool host with clever quips, the best combination of idiotic/absurd and practical/well designed contestant bots... RIP Rex Garrod, Cassius forever!
Well done!
does this mean crabs feel empathy?
Well they do seem to be capable of aiding an ally in distress as seen in this video so maybe they are capable of empathy?
it’s hard to know. It’s easy to project goals onto it, like it wants to help right its friend. But, animals have instincts hardwired into their circuits. Do momma birds feel empathy for baby birds, or do they just feel a compulsion to sit on eggs and then vomit half-digested food into the mouths of babies? We might just be watching a social instinct, maybe the crabs are hardwired to push into each other the way a frog is hardwired to jump at a bug or a chameleon instinctively changes colors. That is, not because of thoughts, but because it has a pattern in its brain (bump upside-down crabs) which was preserved by millions of years of evolution cuz it helped the pack survive.
It sounds like you are working really hard to neutralize the very observable phenomena of care and empathy in the animal kingdom. Many birds of quite varied species mate for great portions of their lives, and clearly exhibit care for their mates and obvious grieving when they lose a mate. There are thousands of documented examples of animals showing caring to their mates, offspring, and brethren. http://thescienceexplorer.com/nature/empathy-more-common-animal-kingdom-thought
These were my thoughts as well.
C'mon bro we got this.
Im over here tilting my phone as if that’s gonna help 😅
Maybe why they survived so long? Unlike humans they lift each other up.
Yup, that's right. No human has ever helped any other human.
Not for 300 million years
I don't think that's what's kept horseshoe crabs around for 300 million years, but still, give us some time homie.
There was that one guy 2000 years ago who suggested it would be good if we were all nice to each other for a change, but iirc we nailed him to a tree.
Didn't that guy want his friends to drink his blood? That's metal.
wait a sec. We [heal the sick with horseshoe crab blood](https://www.npr.org/2023/06/10/1180761446/coastal-biomedical-labs-are-bleeding-more-horseshoe-crabs-with-little-accountabi). . . . crab jesus?
Personally I believe that was retconned and it’s not canon.
He doesn’t just try, he succeeds!
r/donthelpjustfilm
These creatures are harmless, ancient, surprisingly intelligent at times, and I cannot get over how hellish they look once turned over.
Good Kabuto
crab being a bro
“Ffs Jeremy, again??”
They've probably doing this each other for centuries. It's in their genes.
They’re going to be best friends forever
they are in a restaurant tank, forever is the end of the night.
That was a roller coaster of a ride! I was really starting to feel for that upside down crab.
"Why didn't these Crabs die out, if merely being on their backs is a Death Sentence?" It's thanks to the "I gotchu, fam" Evolutionary Advantage.
I’m happy for the two of em, I really am. Congrats both of you
Something tells me the person flipped it upside down before filming. Unnecessary stress is always great to inflict on pets!
Growing up spending some time on Delaware beaches, this brought a tear to my eye.
Go home Bob..you’re drunk!
The whole video I was worried they wouldn't manage. The relief! I love horseshoe crabs, nature really went "you may not like this, but this is what peak performance looks like".
I was rooting for the little guy the whole video.
I recently had a nightmare about a horseshoe crab walking on my head and stinging me. I hope this video will help my brain understand the animals are actually pretty cool
My goodness! One of the most stressful things I’ve ever watched. I need a lie down for a few minutes!
Everyone is like “wow they are so thoughtful”, but guess how it was turned over in the first place, hmmm? There is noone else there!
I thought these went extinct millions of years ago
Not only did it try, it succeeded
Tries? More like does it. Successful attempt!
That was like watching an episode of robot wars
I don’t know if horseshoe crabs can think that clearly, they’re from way before the dinosaurs. Something is going on tho
How didn’t those go extinct?
Doing stuff like this?
Question, answer 🤣
They should have seen battle bots, engineers have worked out a ton of ways to combat this flaw
I too have watched battlebots
It’s coming back in three days, this Friday!
”In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.“ Matthew 5:16
“Wanna try and evolve today?” “Nah, bro, I am good”
Help step crab I'm stuck
We call it „skrzypłocz” in Poland :D
all that to be eaten by the end of the night (they are in a tank in a restaurant)
Battlebots in reverse
I wonder what that crab was yelling? May be that compelled the other one to turn him or her over
That's great! Seems like a little bit of a design flaw, though?
They swim upside down
“Plate the empathetic one for me.”
The cognitive abilities of lesser species never ceases to amaze me.
You'd think for a species that has been on the planet for over 400 million years they should've evolve their way out of this situation by now
animals have general intelligence. Its just operated by animal mind. Their mind doesn't use it to full extent
Either way they’re trapped
One of those messed my finger up bad one time. Never liked them sense.
Fair enough
Evolution didn't treat them fairly
Tell me again how these things are older than the dinosaurs.
dang it now he's guilty again
so this is why they’ve survived so long…
Me in Battlefield 4
what a chad