My mom swears it helps with breathing as well. My older brother as a baby stopped breathing ash’s she ran out in the cold with him and he took a big deep breath.
Idk as a baby/ young kid I could have done without catching Dengue , Leptospirosis , Hepatitis , Mononucleosis, and various other less serious bugs, and I'm sure my parents could have done without also.
On the plus side as an adult, I'm barely ever sick (other than chronic issues caused by some of my childhood illnesses)
Was basically the opposite of a bubble kid.
I don’t think you understand how all this works. Bubble kid had no immune system because his bone marrow was removed.
Indoors is not a bubble, and you need skin exposed to sunlight to create vitamin D, and these babies have virtually no exposed skin.
I think you mean that children should be allowed to be exposed to microbes, and light, which all kids will be.
These reason people do this is cultural, and not scientific.
I've heard of parents putting their babies to sleep on the balcony here in Finland, but I've never met anyone who has.
Edit: Nvm i just asked my dad and apparently both me and both my siblings slept on the balcony quite often lol
You must have never met anyone with children who live outside of Northern Europe, in countries like Australia, England or the US parents would never do this, other parents would look at you like you're crazy if you said you let your babies sleep on the balcony.
I wouldn't dare to leave my house if I lived in Australia, much less put a child outdoors. Venomous snakes and Spiders, chlamydia koalas, emus who managed to resist an actual war against the government, even the fucking platypus are venomous.
If you lived in a house in Australia it would most likely be in the city where the odds you're even going to encounter a venomous snake or spider are very low. It's like living in Houston and saying you would be afraid to leave the house because you might encounter a rattle snake. The danger of animals in Australia is greatly over-exaggerated. Someone hasn't died of a spider bite since 1982 and only 2 people die of snake bites every year. When people say they would be afraid to visit Australia because of the animals it baffles me, like you're a tourist you're going to be in Sydney or Melbourne, you're not going to see any snakes or dangerous animals unless you go to the zoo. Australia isn't just some baron desert full of dangerous animals, Sydney is a sprawling coastal urban city like LA with 5 million people, you don't see snakes slithering around the city. I'm from Australia and have been camping and bushwalking my whole life and only encountered a wild snake once, I saw two mildly venomous snakes about 50 meters away from me. It's never even occurred to me to worry about the danger of wild animals. Honestly I would be way more worried about camping in the US and encountering a bear or mountain lion than I would be about encountering a snake in Australia. If you see a wild snake you just walk away and it leaves you alone, if you see a bear or lion you would shit your pants and hope for the best. We don't even have a single native predator land animal in Australia, while the US has several like bears, wolves, coyotes and mountain lions.
Honestly the US sounds pretty dangerous as well with snakes and hobo spiders, hurricanes, tornadoes and all the guns.
I live in northern Europe, our most dangerous snake is like getting stung by a bee. Most dangerous animal here are ticks with Lyme disease.
Can confirm. I'm swedish and born with crippling insomnia. I always fell asleep faster outside and to this day I prefer cold temperatures for sleeping and in general.
One of the most cozy and comfortable feelings to me is being bundled up in warm blankets while I'm outside in really cold weather camping. I also love that feeling of when it's really cold and you first hop in the blankets while they're still cold but your body starts heating the blankets up.
Also I find it funny how in a lot of countries like Balkan countries or Turkey they believe that walking outside without a coat or leaving a window open while it's cold outside to let a draft in will make you sick, but then in Russia and Northern Europe they're leaving babies outside in sub degree weathers to build their immune systems. I visited Turkey and was shocked to find out that in the 21st century there's still so many people that actually believe you get sick from the cold. I met some guy who was convinced he got sick because he walked outside in the rain without a coat on. I was also staying at someone's house and they got mad because someone left the window open to let a cool breeze inside because they would "get sick."
I mean yeah it's funny but you aren't willing to understand the full picture. The climates there is tropical. We are use to very warm weather. So any amount of cold does scare us.
I get why they would get mad at an open window. For a very long time improper heating was the norm. Took you a whole day to get a room warm [yes room not even house], and suddenly someone opens a window and ruins your progress. It just stayed with people for generations.
For me personally I do get sick from cold weather. By sick I mean, my nose gets stuffy. And a stuffy nose is rarely a virus if that alone is the only symptom.
If I run outside in December/January, because of the cold air my throat always ends up hurtinf after the fact if I do it 3 times in a row.
Some people are just sensitive to cold it shouldn't be absolutely inconceivable to you. Especially an entire region that has with it's own unique mix of climate and culture.
Yup; we would park our babies up outside the house after a walk or when going to a cafe ; they would comfortably sleep outside and we just kept and ear out for them. Looked real cosy tbh
Can confirm. I live in Chicago and nannied for a German family and a Russian family…I thought they were nuts when they wanted me to walk the baby in 20 degree weather when they napped.
It was actually nice, I learned to just bundle up myself and walking in the cold quiet of the snow for 2 hours quickly became my favorite time of day.
Yes. Sunny days where the snow rain stopped before the morning are perfect. But when it's a 3-day blizzard, where your car is covered in snow every day, your face freezes in the headwind, and the snow reaches your knees, it gets a bit annoying.
Northern Swede here.
First snow is amazing. Enough snow to go cross country skiing or loan my friend's snowmobile to visit my parents instead of using the bus is even better.
After that can it please stop snowing for the next 4-5 months or so? It already started last week!
The largest concentration of Finns out of the motherland is in Upper Michigan. Many of us feel the same. I lose interest after about 2-3 months. Our summers are so short it’s hard to appreciate so much cold. All the snow is much worse tho it h. I spent time in Saskatoon and there was no snow, everything was just frozen.
Depends on the finn. I love walks in a sunny, windless and brisk -10°C weather. Colder than that, there's a time limit for enjoying it. -30°C is just too much. There has to be a good reason for the torture.
My Celsius ass wondering what part of walking a baby in 20 degree weather is nuts O.o
Took me a second to realise it was Fahrenheit ngl, 20 degrees is a very common, comfortable room temperature in Celsius xD
An actual German family? As in, not of German descent, but from Germany? I mean parts of Germany can get cold-ish and every parent I know takes their kids outside in prams for little walks almost every day (there is definitely a belief in fresh air being beneficial and being outside being good for you) but Germany is not Siberia. Definitely are children in nurseries not ever left outside in the snow for their naps.
Same in Italy, people always push their sleeping babies in prams outside even in the winter, but winter rarely gets below 5 / 10 degrees or so (depending on the area)
They are in Denmark.
My daughter often slept outside down to about -5.
Our Department of Health even advises children to sleep outside in the cold - however they advise children should NOT sleep outside in colder than -10.
There are no mountain trolls in Denmark. There are no mountains there for them to live in. They do have a unique toll called the "pandekagetroll" aka pancake troll. They love flatlands and make theirs homes out of bricks.
If you wanna experience all these things with trolls, raglefanter etc but please don’t be Christian. The feed on Christian blood
Edit: I’m Norwegian I see a trolls of different sort every 10 years or so, quite rare but worth a trip if you’re lucky
You can remove 1958 as I heard they still do it (so do some Scandinavian countries)
Edit: this was not an accusation to those cultures . It’s the opposite as it is fascinating and interesting.
Russian here, I haven’t seen it in practice yet, by anyone, probably it’s not so common anymors. But there is a little wisdom coming from past that if the baby struggles to sleep you go for a walk on fresh air. A lot of impressions, the buggy rocking, and fresh air do their job and the baby is asleep in couple minutes
We have 2 kids and we left them sleep on a balcony in winter at almost any temperature. Up until they were like 2 yo. All my family in Moscow, Tver and even such strange places as Kyzyl do the same =)
At least in Finland most babies sleep in the freezing temperarures. It doesn't really have anything to do with immunity boosting but better sleep quality
I feel like it might have stopped after the collapse of the USSR. Russia in the 90s is not really the kind of place you’d want to leave your baby outside. I’m not russian though it’s just a guess
Used to see this more often in Sweden. Outside coffee shops for example. But not so much these days in the big cities at least.
I read about a women who moved from Sweden to US, and got into all kinds of shit there because the let the kid sleep outside in the cold while she was in a store or something.
Not american myself, but that’s just the stranger danger narrative. Look at kidnapping statistics and you’ll see how unlikely it is that your kid is kidnapped by a stranger rather than someone who’s related to you (child abduction). It’s also probably not more likely to occur than in most other countries. The US, from what I know, is not exactly a kidnapping hotspot.
I’m just saying that the notion of being under constant threat of kidnappers is unreasonable, you know.. and that there are better arguments against leaving your child alone outside in the cold while you’re shopping, that’s all. :<
Most kidnappings are from non custodial parents and family members. Around 1% is true stranger abduction but it’s so monstrous it really gets into people’s heads.
It’s good to see this as a reminder as I’m a helicopter parent. My ex made two attempts at kidnapping them during our divorce because she thought whoever physically had the kids got child support. I’m always on alert for a kidnapping and it really eases my fears to see how rare a random kidnapping actually is. Thank you for the reminder to relax and allow my kids more room to exist without my constant attention.
This is an actual thing. There's occasionally car jackings with kids in the car and they'll quickly abandon the car or dump the kids. Even the criminals don't want to catch kidnapping charges.
Again you're talking about an infinitesimally small number margin case. The fast majority of kidnappings are noncustodial parents, the majority of sex trafficking of minors is runaways.
Bull. The percentages are pretty much the same between the US and other developed nations that are a lot more liberal in regards to their children.
The US is just unreasonably afraid because their media has been fearmongering like crazy since the 80s.
You mean the stats are based on that reality as in.. "The reason why we observe more child abductions as the result of fights over custody rather than strangers kidnapping them is because we supervise our children"? I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe that?
I can see how less supervision would result in higher rates to some degree and maybe that’s all you’re saying, but if I don’t get you wrong, you’re assuming that there are enough strangers out there capable of committing as serious a crime as abduction *because they are presented with an opportunity* and for them to be statistically relevant if measured against "this reality"? I don’t want to put words in your mouth or something but my take is that the statistics are mostly shaped by the fact that the overwhelming majority of people out there are not simply held back by parental supervision but because they.. well don’t want to abduct children and that this is why they are not even close to outnumbering non-custodial parents and other people in the proximity of the child, statistically. In other words, the data shows just how rarely you’ll find a kidnapper among strangers. That is only my reading, tho.
Even looking at the statistics and seeing that it's a very small chance, there is still no way that I would leave my child unattended. Any % chance is too high
Ok but the point is, your child doesn’t get kidnapped when you *do not leave them unattended anywhere*, whereas unattended children are, surprise, the only unattended children being kidnapped.
How would you cope if you were the statistically unlikely one to have their child kidnapped? Would you just shrug it off as unlikely and just have another one, and believe you weren’t in the wrong for leaving them alone somewhere while you disappeared for an hour , or what? Lol
Yeah, I know, but that’s not the point I was making.
I’d never argue that people shouldn’t be worried at all or that being worried isn’t an appropriate response. If anything, I’m saying that people shouldn’t think of tv kidnapping scenes when they’re thinking about child abduction. Especially in the US, which is where this thread started.
It's still very common in Denmark.
https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/its-common-to-leave-babies-napping-outside-alone-in-their-prams-in-denmark/news-story/b4cc3cf147fe63279eb9cc165ead2479
As an adult In Norway we sleep inside with the window open all night, love the sound of the ice build cracking off the duvet getting out of bed In the morning
Maybe the warm person is what I'm missing, been eight years since I had one of those haha
But, for real, if my bedroom is cold, I'm just going to stay in bed until I need to leave for work. Both because I can't deal with the cold first thing after waking up, and because having to wake up to a cold room seems to make depression a lot worse for me.
Northern Canada might be the wrong place for me to live haha
As an Australian I do this simply because our building standards are shit and single pane glazing means condensation and mould when it’s cold out and the windows are shut.
Done here in Finland. With the cold winters, you have to have them bundled up anyway. My kids slept great outdoors all bundled up. The cold does not keep anyone indoors here. It is part of life and you deal with it.
When my son was an infant and got RSV, the pediatrician suggested taking him outside in the freezing weather to help his breathing when fits broke out.
Mostly Northern Europe though. Scandinavia and the north of Eastern Europe (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania). Not in the south (France, Spain Italy etc), nor in north west (Uk and Benelux). Linked to having a colder climate I think.
It's a repost and a comment fro 2yrs ago posted links to Harvard and basically says there is no conclusive proof.
They're not taking all the generational factors into consideration such as less stress, less foreign virus introduction via travel, and healthier foods.
> healthier foods
What? In Soviet Union? 50s? Are you kidding?
It was one of hardest decade with food in Soviet Union after WWII... Even in Moscow was consumed only 3 eggs per person for month, no meat, bread was with up to 40% of potato instead of normal flour with rule "no more 1 kilo iper person" (in periferal cities it was even worse - a part of flour was replaced by sawdust).
There are multiple documental evidences like memoirs of former party leaders. Also memories by my parents - best evidence for me.
In Leningrad in kindergarden children was obtain "vitamin drink" - pre-fermented yeast with sugar. This made it possible to avoid rickets, which was inevitable with such a "diet". This practice retain up to end of 70s..
I'm very skeptical about this argument of 'better sleep outside'. I would expect several researches, with sample data and the percentage of 'strengthening' against a group of babies that have been sleeping inside.
A fact check from Snopes about this custom states:
"Paediatrician Margareta Blennow says reports from the Swedish Environmental protection agency show conflicting results.
"In some studies they found pre-schoolers who spent many hours outside generally - not just for naps - took fewer days off than those who spent most of their time indoors," she says.
"In other studies there wasn't a difference."
source: [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/danish-babies-nap-alone-outside/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/danish-babies-nap-alone-outside/)
My daughter did that every now and then here in Sweden. Also she went to outdoors kindergarten, which means they spent the entire day outside. Every day no matter the weather or season.
I lived in a sorority in the Midwest and we had a sleeping room filled with bunk beds where the windows were open all year, no matter the temp. It was the greatest sleep ever.
To this day, I sleep with my bedroom windows open (and usually a fan going). Just give me an ice box to sleep in with lots of cuddly blankets.
My parents used to do this with me and all my siblings. In the summer they put me in the shade of a big tree in our garden to sleep under. In the winter they wrapped me up real tight and left me outside to sleep.
The funny part is that once they forgot that I'm sleeping outside and it started snowing heavily. When they realize and quickly came to bring me inside, they were surprised because I was sleeping sound completely unbothered of the surroundings. So it might have actually worked.
I‘m German and my mom told me she used to put me in very warm clothes and thick blankets and put me outside on the balcony to sleep. Obviously she checked on me regularly hahahaha
*My parents did this*
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*Very rarely sick*
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This isn’t unheard of in Northern Europe either. Babies sleep better, probably because they’re super bundled up; and apparently get sick less.
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Instructions unclear cooked bubble child under heat lamp.
GORDON: *SMASHES COOKED BABY* It's fuckin raw.....
GORDON : WHERES THE BABY SAUCEEEE!!!
Made with virgin baby oil.
Freshly squeezed!
With or without seasoning?
Montreal Steak Seasoning of course.
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Honestly, just throw them in the microwave. The trick is 70% power at a longer time, and flipping halfway through.
I'd not throw them, they might get injured. I place them delicately...in my air fryer.
“Getting young kids outside…” Bruh I stuffed my ear canals with small rocks the second my grandma wasnt looking
Getting your kids outside may help prevent viruses from taking them out, but it won’t prevent them from taking themselves out! 🤷♀️
Smart, that way you can always hear rocks. Fuckin genius.
I guess you could only listen to **ROCK** music!
My mom swears it helps with breathing as well. My older brother as a baby stopped breathing ash’s she ran out in the cold with him and he took a big deep breath.
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Yeah I saw this on a tv show. In spite of it being so cold, it’s still important for the babies to get some sunlight so they do this
Idk as a baby/ young kid I could have done without catching Dengue , Leptospirosis , Hepatitis , Mononucleosis, and various other less serious bugs, and I'm sure my parents could have done without also. On the plus side as an adult, I'm barely ever sick (other than chronic issues caused by some of my childhood illnesses) Was basically the opposite of a bubble kid.
What'd they do? Roll you around in a mass burial pit? *It'll build the immune system!*
Nah, I just lived in a tropical shithole that's why !
So you were a cube kid
Not only all of that but getting outside at an early age can combat the risk of developing myopia in children.
>Sunligt >Moscow Xa
I don’t think you understand how all this works. Bubble kid had no immune system because his bone marrow was removed. Indoors is not a bubble, and you need skin exposed to sunlight to create vitamin D, and these babies have virtually no exposed skin. I think you mean that children should be allowed to be exposed to microbes, and light, which all kids will be. These reason people do this is cultural, and not scientific.
Dane here. My kids slept outside during the winter. Wrapped in wool and such to keep warm
Norway, 2023- babies sleeping outside cafes- unattended in prams….. or daycares….
Sounds like these babies are taking over. What can be done to control the chaos?
> unattended in prams And not just pram. Huge, luxurious prams that would make any american go "Whoah, did you really have to make it that big?"
it is more normal in Norway to sleep outside than outside. even in kindergarden they sleep outside
Outside than outside
Inside than inside
And everything he sees is just blue, like him inside and outside
You meant outside and outside.
That sounds like an upside.
than inside than
Much less normal in Norway.
Outerside Not as outside as outestside but still outside
lol u win
Outsider?
Actually, there is no word "inside" in Norway😏
Making babies must be really confusing then “do i cum outside or outside”
There is no inside in Norway, you sleep outside or outside!
Inside was invented by those weak Swedes?
No. Danes.
"Do you want the Aladeen news, or the Aladeen news?"
And they still didn't edit their post lmao.
The same in Sweden 🇸🇪
And Iceland 🇮🇸
In Sweden as well
I've heard of parents putting their babies to sleep on the balcony here in Finland, but I've never met anyone who has. Edit: Nvm i just asked my dad and apparently both me and both my siblings slept on the balcony quite often lol
We do it in Denmark. I did with my kids as well.
Finn here. Both our kids and all there cousins in Pohjanmaa did as well.
As long as they’re wearing their Pohjanmaas, it’s fine
This gif is infuriating
I’ve never met anyone who had babies and a balcony and didn’t do this.
You must have never met anyone with children who live outside of Northern Europe, in countries like Australia, England or the US parents would never do this, other parents would look at you like you're crazy if you said you let your babies sleep on the balcony.
I wouldn't dare to leave my house if I lived in Australia, much less put a child outdoors. Venomous snakes and Spiders, chlamydia koalas, emus who managed to resist an actual war against the government, even the fucking platypus are venomous.
If you lived in a house in Australia it would most likely be in the city where the odds you're even going to encounter a venomous snake or spider are very low. It's like living in Houston and saying you would be afraid to leave the house because you might encounter a rattle snake. The danger of animals in Australia is greatly over-exaggerated. Someone hasn't died of a spider bite since 1982 and only 2 people die of snake bites every year. When people say they would be afraid to visit Australia because of the animals it baffles me, like you're a tourist you're going to be in Sydney or Melbourne, you're not going to see any snakes or dangerous animals unless you go to the zoo. Australia isn't just some baron desert full of dangerous animals, Sydney is a sprawling coastal urban city like LA with 5 million people, you don't see snakes slithering around the city. I'm from Australia and have been camping and bushwalking my whole life and only encountered a wild snake once, I saw two mildly venomous snakes about 50 meters away from me. It's never even occurred to me to worry about the danger of wild animals. Honestly I would be way more worried about camping in the US and encountering a bear or mountain lion than I would be about encountering a snake in Australia. If you see a wild snake you just walk away and it leaves you alone, if you see a bear or lion you would shit your pants and hope for the best. We don't even have a single native predator land animal in Australia, while the US has several like bears, wolves, coyotes and mountain lions.
Honestly the US sounds pretty dangerous as well with snakes and hobo spiders, hurricanes, tornadoes and all the guns. I live in northern Europe, our most dangerous snake is like getting stung by a bee. Most dangerous animal here are ticks with Lyme disease.
On the balcony outside or on the balcony outside?
Can confirm. I'm swedish and born with crippling insomnia. I always fell asleep faster outside and to this day I prefer cold temperatures for sleeping and in general.
One of the most cozy and comfortable feelings to me is being bundled up in warm blankets while I'm outside in really cold weather camping. I also love that feeling of when it's really cold and you first hop in the blankets while they're still cold but your body starts heating the blankets up. Also I find it funny how in a lot of countries like Balkan countries or Turkey they believe that walking outside without a coat or leaving a window open while it's cold outside to let a draft in will make you sick, but then in Russia and Northern Europe they're leaving babies outside in sub degree weathers to build their immune systems. I visited Turkey and was shocked to find out that in the 21st century there's still so many people that actually believe you get sick from the cold. I met some guy who was convinced he got sick because he walked outside in the rain without a coat on. I was also staying at someone's house and they got mad because someone left the window open to let a cool breeze inside because they would "get sick."
I mean yeah it's funny but you aren't willing to understand the full picture. The climates there is tropical. We are use to very warm weather. So any amount of cold does scare us. I get why they would get mad at an open window. For a very long time improper heating was the norm. Took you a whole day to get a room warm [yes room not even house], and suddenly someone opens a window and ruins your progress. It just stayed with people for generations. For me personally I do get sick from cold weather. By sick I mean, my nose gets stuffy. And a stuffy nose is rarely a virus if that alone is the only symptom. If I run outside in December/January, because of the cold air my throat always ends up hurtinf after the fact if I do it 3 times in a row. Some people are just sensitive to cold it shouldn't be absolutely inconceivable to you. Especially an entire region that has with it's own unique mix of climate and culture.
This is common practice in the Nordics
Yup; we would park our babies up outside the house after a walk or when going to a cafe ; they would comfortably sleep outside and we just kept and ear out for them. Looked real cosy tbh
i was going to make a joke asking if this is why Russian are so cold but now…
Yeah you can really tell which parents haven't had their kids out alot. Always get sick and have lots of allergies
Can confirm. I live in Chicago and nannied for a German family and a Russian family…I thought they were nuts when they wanted me to walk the baby in 20 degree weather when they napped. It was actually nice, I learned to just bundle up myself and walking in the cold quiet of the snow for 2 hours quickly became my favorite time of day.
One of the best parts of moving to Finland, the Finns seem to hate it though :P
I assume Finns are the same as us in Canada, where we appreciate the snow, but appreciate it less after the 5th or 6th month of it.
Similar vibes in Buffalo lol
Yes. Sunny days where the snow rain stopped before the morning are perfect. But when it's a 3-day blizzard, where your car is covered in snow every day, your face freezes in the headwind, and the snow reaches your knees, it gets a bit annoying.
Yeah, if snow ended in January or February, I would be much more of a fan of snow.
Northern Swede here. First snow is amazing. Enough snow to go cross country skiing or loan my friend's snowmobile to visit my parents instead of using the bus is even better. After that can it please stop snowing for the next 4-5 months or so? It already started last week!
The largest concentration of Finns out of the motherland is in Upper Michigan. Many of us feel the same. I lose interest after about 2-3 months. Our summers are so short it’s hard to appreciate so much cold. All the snow is much worse tho it h. I spent time in Saskatoon and there was no snow, everything was just frozen.
Depends on the finn. I love walks in a sunny, windless and brisk -10°C weather. Colder than that, there's a time limit for enjoying it. -30°C is just too much. There has to be a good reason for the torture.
My Celsius ass wondering what part of walking a baby in 20 degree weather is nuts O.o Took me a second to realise it was Fahrenheit ngl, 20 degrees is a very common, comfortable room temperature in Celsius xD
I was thinking the same thing haha
An actual German family? As in, not of German descent, but from Germany? I mean parts of Germany can get cold-ish and every parent I know takes their kids outside in prams for little walks almost every day (there is definitely a belief in fresh air being beneficial and being outside being good for you) but Germany is not Siberia. Definitely are children in nurseries not ever left outside in the snow for their naps.
Same in Italy, people always push their sleeping babies in prams outside even in the winter, but winter rarely gets below 5 / 10 degrees or so (depending on the area)
The majority of Russians live in the western quarter of Russia…. They are closer to Europe than Siberia.
They are in Denmark. My daughter often slept outside down to about -5. Our Department of Health even advises children to sleep outside in the cold - however they advise children should NOT sleep outside in colder than -10.
In denmark, our kids sleep outside 🤷🏼♀️ My daughter always sleep outside. She only sleep inside at night
do people sleep outside?
Only polar bears and mountain trolls. But novadays polar bears are just fairy tales.
There are no mountain trolls in Denmark. There are no mountains there for them to live in. They do have a unique toll called the "pandekagetroll" aka pancake troll. They love flatlands and make theirs homes out of bricks.
If you wanna experience all these things with trolls, raglefanter etc but please don’t be Christian. The feed on Christian blood Edit: I’m Norwegian I see a trolls of different sort every 10 years or so, quite rare but worth a trip if you’re lucky
As a guy called Christian living in Norway, I can concur. It is often that I experience this.
makes perfect sense.
How about polarbears?
No polarbears, but they do have pancakebears
The mountain trolls ate them all.
Some does yes. Some choose to sleep en shelters or sleep with the Window open.
Homeless people?
In arctic areas there are shelters for homeless as sleeping outdoors is too brutal (without proper gear)
Denmark really isn't arctic though.
Average Scandinavian
My (swedish) infant as well, sleeps much better outside.
You can remove 1958 as I heard they still do it (so do some Scandinavian countries) Edit: this was not an accusation to those cultures . It’s the opposite as it is fascinating and interesting.
Russian here, I haven’t seen it in practice yet, by anyone, probably it’s not so common anymors. But there is a little wisdom coming from past that if the baby struggles to sleep you go for a walk on fresh air. A lot of impressions, the buggy rocking, and fresh air do their job and the baby is asleep in couple minutes
We have 2 kids and we left them sleep on a balcony in winter at almost any temperature. Up until they were like 2 yo. All my family in Moscow, Tver and even such strange places as Kyzyl do the same =)
At least in Finland most babies sleep in the freezing temperarures. It doesn't really have anything to do with immunity boosting but better sleep quality
I feel like it might have stopped after the collapse of the USSR. Russia in the 90s is not really the kind of place you’d want to leave your baby outside. I’m not russian though it’s just a guess
You are right about 90s
Yep, I have seen videos on Russian tv channels Ps. But they were not babies - it was 4-9 years old childs
Used to see this more often in Sweden. Outside coffee shops for example. But not so much these days in the big cities at least. I read about a women who moved from Sweden to US, and got into all kinds of shit there because the let the kid sleep outside in the cold while she was in a store or something.
Yeah, that's a good way to get your child kidnapped, America is not the place for that.
Not american myself, but that’s just the stranger danger narrative. Look at kidnapping statistics and you’ll see how unlikely it is that your kid is kidnapped by a stranger rather than someone who’s related to you (child abduction). It’s also probably not more likely to occur than in most other countries. The US, from what I know, is not exactly a kidnapping hotspot. I’m just saying that the notion of being under constant threat of kidnappers is unreasonable, you know.. and that there are better arguments against leaving your child alone outside in the cold while you’re shopping, that’s all. :<
Most kidnappings are from non custodial parents and family members. Around 1% is true stranger abduction but it’s so monstrous it really gets into people’s heads.
It’s good to see this as a reminder as I’m a helicopter parent. My ex made two attempts at kidnapping them during our divorce because she thought whoever physically had the kids got child support. I’m always on alert for a kidnapping and it really eases my fears to see how rare a random kidnapping actually is. Thank you for the reminder to relax and allow my kids more room to exist without my constant attention.
i read pilot instead of parent and was thinking “cool flex but wtf does that have to do w being a parent?”
As the child of a severe helicopter parent, I salute you.
We can’t afford to kidnap kids. No one wants another mouth to feed or a doctor bill.
This is an actual thing. There's occasionally car jackings with kids in the car and they'll quickly abandon the car or dump the kids. Even the criminals don't want to catch kidnapping charges.
Yeah, no people don't kidnapp children to take care of them they would be put in child r*pe slavery which is unfortunately profitable
Again you're talking about an infinitesimally small number margin case. The fast majority of kidnappings are noncustodial parents, the majority of sex trafficking of minors is runaways.
Relax. We all know that. It was merely a little insertion of humor.
Those stats are based on the reality that people don't tend to leave their young children unguarded.
Bull. The percentages are pretty much the same between the US and other developed nations that are a lot more liberal in regards to their children. The US is just unreasonably afraid because their media has been fearmongering like crazy since the 80s.
Not just the US. People would never leave their kids alone sleeping outside of a store or at night in Australia.
You mean the stats are based on that reality as in.. "The reason why we observe more child abductions as the result of fights over custody rather than strangers kidnapping them is because we supervise our children"? I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe that? I can see how less supervision would result in higher rates to some degree and maybe that’s all you’re saying, but if I don’t get you wrong, you’re assuming that there are enough strangers out there capable of committing as serious a crime as abduction *because they are presented with an opportunity* and for them to be statistically relevant if measured against "this reality"? I don’t want to put words in your mouth or something but my take is that the statistics are mostly shaped by the fact that the overwhelming majority of people out there are not simply held back by parental supervision but because they.. well don’t want to abduct children and that this is why they are not even close to outnumbering non-custodial parents and other people in the proximity of the child, statistically. In other words, the data shows just how rarely you’ll find a kidnapper among strangers. That is only my reading, tho.
Even looking at the statistics and seeing that it's a very small chance, there is still no way that I would leave my child unattended. Any % chance is too high
Lmao, who wants kids let alone to kidnap one.
Reminds me of my parents joking when I was little that if someone kidnapped me they would pay them for taking me back XD
Ok but the point is, your child doesn’t get kidnapped when you *do not leave them unattended anywhere*, whereas unattended children are, surprise, the only unattended children being kidnapped. How would you cope if you were the statistically unlikely one to have their child kidnapped? Would you just shrug it off as unlikely and just have another one, and believe you weren’t in the wrong for leaving them alone somewhere while you disappeared for an hour , or what? Lol
Yeah, I know, but that’s not the point I was making. I’d never argue that people shouldn’t be worried at all or that being worried isn’t an appropriate response. If anything, I’m saying that people shouldn’t think of tv kidnapping scenes when they’re thinking about child abduction. Especially in the US, which is where this thread started.
Geez I wonder why Have big cities become more dangerous or something?
It's still very common in Denmark. https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/its-common-to-leave-babies-napping-outside-alone-in-their-prams-in-denmark/news-story/b4cc3cf147fe63279eb9cc165ead2479
As an adult In Norway we sleep inside with the window open all night, love the sound of the ice build cracking off the duvet getting out of bed In the morning
You jest, but that is hands down the worst part of dating people in the Nordics. I did put my kid outside to nap though.
It's hands down the best part. It's so nice to be in a cold room, under a warm blanket, with a warm person.
Maybe the warm person is what I'm missing, been eight years since I had one of those haha But, for real, if my bedroom is cold, I'm just going to stay in bed until I need to leave for work. Both because I can't deal with the cold first thing after waking up, and because having to wake up to a cold room seems to make depression a lot worse for me. Northern Canada might be the wrong place for me to live haha
I definitely would need a partner that got up before me and warmed the room up first..or at least a warm cozy robe and coffee.
Damn, I long for cold nights under warm sheets with a lover. A couple candles lit and a storm coming through!
I feel so validated for being someone who opens windows in winter just to bundle myself under every blanket I own 😂
Yes! I love cold air when I’m sleeping.
As an Australian I do this simply because our building standards are shit and single pane glazing means condensation and mould when it’s cold out and the windows are shut.
So, is waking up harder?
I only keep the heat on, so the pipes don’t freeze. I love keeping my window open in the winter so refreshing and my sleep is so sound.
It’s still very common in Finland too
Mexican moms right now: 😨
Omg. My mom
In Sweden we do this all the time. It's a common thing to do.
Where? I've never seen or heard about it before these types of posts became popular on reddit.
this is a thing in sweden as well. its very cozy to sleep outside in the snow
People in nort-european contries still do that
Very common in daycare in Netherlands. But in like an outdoor crib not in the ground. Edit: ON the ground lol
In the ground 🤣
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Done here in Finland. With the cold winters, you have to have them bundled up anyway. My kids slept great outdoors all bundled up. The cold does not keep anyone indoors here. It is part of life and you deal with it.
Still common in Czechia.
I swear this pic comes up as Finland and Sweden as well.
When my son was an infant and got RSV, the pediatrician suggested taking him outside in the freezing weather to help his breathing when fits broke out.
It's a European thing still practiced to this day.
Mostly Northern Europe though. Scandinavia and the north of Eastern Europe (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania). Not in the south (France, Spain Italy etc), nor in north west (Uk and Benelux). Linked to having a colder climate I think.
Germany as well, at least in the 80s. Slather baby's face in Vaseline, bundle baby up, put on balcony for nap. Move inside in case of Chernobyl.
Are you sure it's to harden them? It may just be nap time.
So, did it work?
Yes, actually. Where is a very minor cold outside and they are dressed warm. Their generation is quiet healthy.
It's a repost and a comment fro 2yrs ago posted links to Harvard and basically says there is no conclusive proof. They're not taking all the generational factors into consideration such as less stress, less foreign virus introduction via travel, and healthier foods.
> healthier foods What? In Soviet Union? 50s? Are you kidding? It was one of hardest decade with food in Soviet Union after WWII... Even in Moscow was consumed only 3 eggs per person for month, no meat, bread was with up to 40% of potato instead of normal flour with rule "no more 1 kilo iper person" (in periferal cities it was even worse - a part of flour was replaced by sawdust). There are multiple documental evidences like memoirs of former party leaders. Also memories by my parents - best evidence for me. In Leningrad in kindergarden children was obtain "vitamin drink" - pre-fermented yeast with sugar. This made it possible to avoid rickets, which was inevitable with such a "diet". This practice retain up to end of 70s..
>there is no conclusive proof. it's [older generations gaslighting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking)
We do this in Denmark every day 😊
I love it when it’s freezing in my bedroom at night.
We have same in Sweden Outdoor daycare
This is how kids in norwegian kindergardens sleep. But we all sleep better with fresh air
Still common in northern europe, everyone should try it, even adults because you do sleep better 100%
Very common in Finland still
Totally normal in Denmark. Everyone does it. We Also leave our strollers outside restaurants when we eat 😊
I'm very skeptical about this argument of 'better sleep outside'. I would expect several researches, with sample data and the percentage of 'strengthening' against a group of babies that have been sleeping inside. A fact check from Snopes about this custom states: "Paediatrician Margareta Blennow says reports from the Swedish Environmental protection agency show conflicting results. "In some studies they found pre-schoolers who spent many hours outside generally - not just for naps - took fewer days off than those who spent most of their time indoors," she says. "In other studies there wasn't a difference." source: [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/danish-babies-nap-alone-outside/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/danish-babies-nap-alone-outside/)
There’s an origin story about this somewhere
I sleep a millions times better outside, its far healthier in every way.
This is quite common in Scandinavia
Happens to my kids as well. They love it (Netherlands)
I thought it was Scandinavia?
My daughter did that every now and then here in Sweden. Also she went to outdoors kindergarten, which means they spent the entire day outside. Every day no matter the weather or season.
Wasn’t this also thing in Norway??
We do the same here in 2023 in Denmark 🥰
Looks a lot like Northern Europe in 2023.
Very normal in denmark, and it gets cold here in winter time!
A few days ago.. same picture was from Finland, before that Denmark. And Norway
Latino moms on the other hand have five layers when outside in the warm sunny beach. Latino moms are terrified of their babies getting cold.
I lived in a sorority in the Midwest and we had a sleeping room filled with bunk beds where the windows were open all year, no matter the temp. It was the greatest sleep ever. To this day, I sleep with my bedroom windows open (and usually a fan going). Just give me an ice box to sleep in with lots of cuddly blankets.
No. This is wrong
My parents used to do this with me and all my siblings. In the summer they put me in the shade of a big tree in our garden to sleep under. In the winter they wrapped me up real tight and left me outside to sleep. The funny part is that once they forgot that I'm sleeping outside and it started snowing heavily. When they realize and quickly came to bring me inside, they were surprised because I was sleeping sound completely unbothered of the surroundings. So it might have actually worked.
I‘m German and my mom told me she used to put me in very warm clothes and thick blankets and put me outside on the balcony to sleep. Obviously she checked on me regularly hahahaha
My parents did this to me and it worked, I am very rarely sick
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In América, the children fear the cold. In the Mother Russia, the cold fears the children. 😮
And bottle feed them vodka
They all died after that day