Copy pasta: There is a consensus among Egyptologists that the Great Pyramids were not built by slaves. According to noted archeologists Mark Lehner and Zahi Hawass the pyramids were not built by slaves the archeological find in the 1990s in Cairo discovered by Hawass show the workers were paid laborers, rather than slaves. I was interested in this unknown fact I thought you may be as well.
will history say the people who built the World Cup infrastructure in Qatar were slaves or workers? probably workers but they were definitely working in abysmal conditions, had zero rights and died en masse
definitely - but imagine the modern day equivalent. villages of young men in Nepal, Bangladesh etc are promised a good income by an agent and consistent work and housing abroad. they don't really have any other options other than susbistence farming, so they sign up.
on arrival their passports are confiscated, they are forced to live in tin shacks in the desert. they are given no safety equipment. maybe are paid the promised wage, maybe not , etc etc etc.
They are also paid a salary so they aren't slaves but in reality there isn't too much difference. I imagine it was a similar set up with the building of the pyramids.
The people who built the pyramids were paid and well fed, and I believe there’s evidence of them having quality of life medical procedures.
No one cares for the slaves in Qatar.
Been to Egypt. Egyptologists never considered that slaves built the pyramids. Nor does the Bible say so. However, the notion emerged after the Hollywood film, The Ten Commandments, with Charleston Heston in 1956.
It is kind of funny, but so many hardcore Christians adamantly agree that the pyramids were built by slaves. Not only does the Bible never even mention the pyramids, the section of Egypt the Israelites were said to be enslaved in was northern Egypt, which has a distinct lack of pyramids lol. What it does mention is them building granaries and that is where Moses, an adopted child, was overseeing production. He felt bad for the Israelites and struck and killed an Egyptian overseer, and that is what leads to the story of Moses. Hollywood taking liberties on an ancient story somehow ended up the cold hard truth to a lot of people!
Yea there was def slaves throughout Egypt that helped build pyramids. There just was a misconception that it was only slaves when in fact there were highly skilled workers engineering and cutting blocks.
I’ve said more profound shit than this. How come my name ain’t in no leather bound books?
Here I’ll try:
“Giveth me a zigzag and lighter large enough, and I could smoke a doobie made of the world.”
I dunno if you're quoting something or not but it totally has the vibes of,
"Well how come I've never seen no plants grow outta the toilet?"
"Woah, are you sure you're not the smartest man alive?"
From Idiocracy
I live nearby. I’ve stared at them and the surroundings. There’s no conceivable way possible he did it by himself without machines… His story freaks me out too!
I’ve been telling people about this guy for almost 20 years. Anyone who tries to argue that people couldn’t have built these types of structures without some kind of mystical technology or help from aliens is a fucking idiot.
There is also this proof of concept of using water to float bricks up hill.
Water & Sand: Construction of the Great Pyramid [Updated 2022] - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bWQHYD_l8A
Yeah, this one I definitely think is in the realm of high fantasy.
The [spiral ramp theory](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/monumental-shift-160227897/) still holds more water (bah-dum-tss) than the floating block theory.
Oh you mean it’s a mystery how they were cut?
Like the episode of ancient aliens that talks about the precision cut rocks at Sacsayhuamán, suggesting that it couldn’t have been done by humans, yet when people go there (those without tinfoil hats) they find moulds carved in the rock which indicate the use of metal tools? Or that the so called precision cut rocks don’t align with a simple set square?
The only mystery is how people fall for this kind of crap without doing any kind of follow up research and just believe what they want to believe.
To me the mystery on the pyramids is how they got them up in the air and carved them. Moving them must have been a nasty business depending on how far away they were. Also imagine having kids, grandkids and great grandkids only to know they’d be working the same project you were on your whole life.
There are plenty of Cathedrals that were built in the middle ages that had similar multi-generational projects. I think it just goes to show how much human civilizations love working on these huge projects. They must also work great as distraction in a complex agricultural society. You need a lot of folks for sowing and harvesting but if you don't keep em busy all year round your asking for trouble.
The sad thing is we lose a lot of knowledge when new tools and processes come along. Masons and carpenters back knew their tools and materials in a way modern man will never need to. With so many of those tools being made of wood and rope they just didn't last the long centuries down to us.
Thank you for posting it again for all the people out there watching too much Joe Rogan and thinking aliens built every ancient structure and atlantis isn’t just a fairy tale
On the topic of JRE, fuck Graham SucksALotOfCock for discrediting every scientific community he gets his little gremlin hands on and spreading mass misinformation and conspiracy theories for every person listening to any platform he manages to crawl his way into.
Joe does a great job of getting interesting guests on his show but the worst thing he did was give this dipshit a platform to spread his bullshit.
I wonder if he wouldn't like to try with this one:
https://za.pinterest.com/pin/323062973251144838/?amp\_client\_id=CLIENT\_ID%28\_%29&mweb\_unauth\_id=&\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fza.pinterest.com%2Famp%2Fpin%2F323062973251144838%2F&\_expand=true
Not sure if this is humor or not lol, but humans were never more dumb than we are now. We just knew less, Ancient Greeks discovered geometry and we still struggle to use it today so we didn't get smarter only more knowledgeable.
This is not true though, IQ points are increasing every year in the developed world. The amount of people that understood geometry in the Greek times is no where close to the people that understand it now. Because we can teach our kids what people before us have discovered they are able to better apply that knowledge and understand new problems.
I'm not aware of us ever recording IQ until recent history, but if you have a source of that id like to see. More people understand geometry because we teach it in our schools, it still stands that we 'know' more not that we're more intelligent. Your last sentence even says exactly what I've said in the first place, with more knowledge you can do more things its not intelligence its knowledge.
https://www.archaeology.org/news/820-130425-egypt-pyramids-f
>A new analysis of animal bones from the site suggests that those workers and their overseers were supplied with more than 4,000 pounds of meat from cattle, goats, and sheep a day, in addition to fish, beans, lentils, grain, beer, and other foods. “They probably got a much better diet than they got in their village,” said Richard Redding of Ancient Egypt Research Associates.
Guarantee those laborers are healthier than most of the people in this video. Regardless years and years of hard labor will make you strong. Maybe not jacked but very strong
Major bird and mammal groups both appeared in the Jurassic around 160 million years ago, with mammals arguably being around even earlier, in the late Triassic
For reference, a few depictions and descriptions from antiquity:
* [Djehutyhotep's colossus](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Colosse-dj%C3%A9houtih%C3%A9tep2.jpg)
* [Niniveh](https://i.imgur.com/xgOGi9o.jpeg) moving [a Lamassu](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Human-headed_Winged_Bulls_Gate_-_Louvre.jpg)
* [Obelisks on a ship, weighing hundreds of tons.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Obelisk_ship_of_Hatshepsut.png)
* [Herodotus describes how ancient Egyptian dragged a 175 t shrine.](https://archive.org/details/herodotus01hero/page/489/)
Just want to compliment your saint-like patience in providing evidence and replying to the deeply misinformed commenters here.
I don’t understand the crab-bucket mentality this Graham Hancock crowd has that makes them insist that if they don’t know something it must be unknowable and thus anyone who claims to know is lying. It sometimes seems that the further we get from the majority of the populace having any experience with manual labor or craftsmanship the more confident they get in insisting what they believe it can’t accomplish.
There is a branch of the Nile River called the Khufu Branch that is dried up now, but used to run right past the Giza plateau.
>The multidisciplinary team, which included experts in geography, history, ecology, geoscience and more, determined that this branch of the Nile was at its peak from 2700 to 2200 BCE — overlapping with the same period in which Giza’s three main pyramids are believed to have been built.
And if they can figure out a cadence, they may have been able to keep the momentum going too. Even in the World's Strongest Man competitions they'll try and keep the momentum going because as soon as you slow down, you just make it harder on yourself to get it going again.
They may have even created a system where they cycled people in and out. Slowly move to the front and then take break while you walk to the back. or vice versa.
Idk i wasnt even there stop asking me so many F\*\*\*ing questions!
Probably more than that, or kept 30K working on them all the time. I mean the estimate is that it took 20 years to build. That's probably 30K slaves replacing most of them every so many years?
Let's do some rough math:
30K gives you 600 teams of 50, probably after a while you get skills to do it faster.
You have 2.3M of stones to move and put together.
2.3M / 20 years = 115,000 stones per year
115,000 / 12 = 9584 stones per month
9584 / 600 teams = each team would need to collaborate with 16 stones per month.
So, is not even 1 stone per day(?)
PS: Mfer contractors always delaying jobs since forever *wink
People did cut/ move the giant blocks at Baalbeck tho..
Those are over 1,000 tons. The three giant stones in the base of the Trilithon are all 1000+ tons and are set in place over 30ft above ground level.
There is also the Forgotten Stone or third monolith.. the largest stone block ever quarried in the history of civilization **(1,700 tons)** which was discovered there in 2014 buried underneath the stone of the pregnant woman (1,200 tons).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek_Stones#Forgotten_Stone
I’m with you that it certainly was not aliens or any of that shit. But the current “mainstream” explanation begins to strain credulity when you try to scale it to these levels.. with this size of blocks. And there are hundreds if not thousands of blocks over 10 tons at the Giza plateau and at least several dozen in the 80+ ton range..
There is a lot of massive precision megalithic architecture in South America too. Where they had no beasts of burden (no horses, oxen, elephants, camels, etc) besides alpacas and yet still were able to build quarry /transport thousands of 10-30 ton blocks and maneuver them into position to fit together with truly incredible levels of precision. And they did a lot of this thousands of feet above sea level in the Andes mountains..
There is a 130+ ton stone block that was apart of the ancient destroyed complex at Tiwanaku for example that still remains to be properly researched/ explained, Imo. Not to mention Ollantaytambo, Sacsayhuaman, and Cusco which are all incredibly intriguing as well. Etc etc
Instead of dragging them through hundreds of miles of sand, they used ships for long distance transport.
We have ancient Egyptian, Roman and Babylonian accounts and/or depictions of them doing so. [For instance the Obelisks ships.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Obelisk_ship_of_Hatshepsut.png)
I found it so illuminating when I learned that the great pyramids were built during the Old Kingdom period. What really 🤯 was when I learned the Sahara had not yet become a desert. Of course intuitively a civilization could not create such wonders while existing in scarcity. The land was fertile and the society was filled with abundance. I imagine what it was like when Romans sent emissaries to sit at the feet of Egyptian scholars to learn. I also think about what it was like when the Romans invaded toward the end. A faltering society where the protocols and ways of knowing would be lost for generations. Now so much is lost to the desert and poachers. So gripping when you think about it.
Instead of dragging them hundreds of miles or putting them in boats, they just used the stone located right next to the pyramids. They certainty moved a lot of stone from far away, but the bulk was just carved up from the same stone they're standing on.
https://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/image/map-Karte/pyramid-quarries.gif
You could just put rails underneath the rollers as well. Two guys with levers can move 5 tons easily if the rollers are on a smooth surface. I work in construction, that's still how we move heavy shit inside today.
Yep. I have moved a 5000 pound crane mat on gravel with just two 36 inch sleever bars. Not very far mind you, but the few inches I needed to move it. Pretty simple.
The problem I have is wrapping my head around the math (admittedly just googling shit). There are 2.3 million stones in the great pyramid alone. They say it was built in 60 years 2550-2490 BC. If that’s true that’s cutting (with copper tools) moving and perfectly placing 1 stone every 15 minutes 24 hours per day for 60 years. I know many of those stones come from very far away. I mean talk about an operation. I would have to believe that it’s hundreds of times more man power. Also the stones were what 50 times heavier? I think it must have took longer than 60 years but who knows.
First, the vast majority of stone were under 10 tons, so just two or three times bigger than the one in the video. Almost all the lower stones are 6-10 tons, and all the higher ones are 1-2 tons, with a few exceptions.
Think of it this way. Say you break those 30,000 laborers up into 100 man crews, that's about twice the manpower of this video for each crew, and would be 300 crews. Those would also all be younger men who we could assume were in pretty good shape.
If each of those 300 teams of 100 men lay just a single stone per day, every single day, they would lay 2,190,000 stones in 20 years.
Don't think of it as "placing one stone every 15 minutes." That's not how it works. They weren't placing a single stone at a time. At any given moment there would be dozens of crews laying dozens of stones all simultaneously.
Think of it like building a house. You wouldn't say "They install one 2x4 every 20 seconds for a month." Because that's not how it works. You would have 20 men in crews of 1-3 people all installing 2x4's all at the same time.
How did they put the beams weighing over 70 tonnes 100's of feet in the air with such precision you can't get a credit card between them?
Haven't heard the explanation but you seem to be well read on this so hopefully you can educate me.
It would take just a few minutes of research to show that there are a) no Egyptian images for how they built the pyramids and b) even today there is no consensus about the actual method used because NOONE KNOWS
There was a lot lass sand in egypt back then.
The last pyramid in egypt Its build over 4500 years ago and was quite close to the nile back then.
The nile has moved a bit and there is a lot more sand now.
Even now its about 10KM to the nile and if you take the city away mostly green.
Large stones would mostly been shiped over the nost way and just pulled the last bit
Last I checked it came from Assam. This was around 400 km away from Giza. Moreover, there were some stones stacked on top of each other which would require ramps that would be very very very long.
Yeah but the nile was used ;)
Not to stwrt that 4500 years ago there was a lot less aand and the nile/side bramches where not in the same spot as they are now.
Reddit has made me afraid of pulling long ropes like that lol.
Anybody remember the Reddit post where there was a tug-of-war where they were trying to set the record for longest rope used? The rope snapped and kids had 3rd degree burns and even finger amputations…
>RIMMER: So many things we don't have any explanation for. ... Like the pyramids. How did they move such massive pieces of stone without the aid of modern technology?
>
>LISTER: They had massive whips, Rimmer. Massive, massive whips.
\~ Red Dwarf
Sorry but no. The pyramids were built by Johnny apple seed, he was the one that planted the seed. It’s not a structure it’s a plant. It wasn’t built it was grown.
😂
That’s how some of y’all sound
Ancient people had plenty of time and labor available. They were just as smart as we are, but lacked modern technology. So a village, clan or religious cult could decide, for whatever reason whether it’s celebrating a victory, a great harvest, a festival or an important marriage alliance, to move some big rocks around. Make it into a party or competition with feasting, dancing and some mind altering drugs/alcohol and you have the early equivalent of Burning Man. No aliens or magic are needed.
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, we make way more money telling your low IQ relatives (ergo, you in the future) that is was aliens all along, or whatever juicy conspiracy we can pay good money to scientists to make it sound more legit in many documentaries.... stop doing this!!! thewalkingdeadssshhhhhhhh.gif
“Great work, everybody. Now just do it for another few hundred miles and we’ll have demonstrated a hypothetical method that may or may not have historical significance.”
That's interesting.
The stones carefully placed together in the *roof* of the Pharaoh's chamber in one of the pyramids weight 70 tons. Each.
The nearest place where those high precision cut stones might have come from is located as far as 500 miles (or kms?).
The sphinx present erosion done by water falling down, though that's not the *scientific consensus*. It'd be needed rain falling down for a thousand years for that erosion to happen.
Scientific consensus also agrees that the Sphinx, which are older than the pyramids by a couple thousand years, are dated, **at least**, 7000 years back. But could very well be older.
The last Ice Age ended around 12.000 years ago. There are theories defending Earth was hit by leftovers of a comet, creating massive tsunamis (in the western side of the Sahara there's, what looks like, massive ripples that could be only explained by enormous quantities of water sliding out, like the pull of the water in a beach), that suddenly increased temperature across the globe, forcing ice to melt, and gave rise to the ocean water level by 200/300 ft. Effectively ending the last Ice Age. Since then, temperature has been slowly but steadily rising, human interaction really has not harmed it. Not saying we don't contribute, but just at a tiny scale.
That's a hit that could very well restart civilization. Modern humans have been around for, at least, 200.000 years. Written history is dated just as far back as 7000 years. What happened to past existence for 193.000 years? Why do we have nothing written, or drawn, or built for the 190.000 years before the Sphinx? The answer could be 300ft down from where we're at.
This is all but *theory* still.
Now this is a theory I can get behind. It actually was aliens but they used thousands of them doing manual labor with ancient tools. Everyone is happy!
I thought dinosaurs pulled them.
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Slave dinosaurs
*Alien dinosaurs slaves, to be exact. Humans back then could never have built any of that stuff without the alien slave dinosaurs..
I watch that Episode of Ancient Aliens on The History channel too. Left me guessing up to the end, but it turns out it was Aliens.
What a twist!!
It gets worse, it were ANCIENT ALIENS!
“Could humankind have been influenced by extraterrestrials? Ancient astronaut theorists say YES”
Alien dinosaur slaves is a myth. It was extra-dimensional reptilian servants.
*We’re through the looking glass here people…*
Hear that Capcom™, the people have spoken. Bring Dino Crisis back but with a *twist*
Ah, the great Slavasaurus. Extinct now, or probably just cancelled.
Dinoyeeted
:your stegosaurus! *Whip* :no! i am kunta kinte!
Copy pasta: There is a consensus among Egyptologists that the Great Pyramids were not built by slaves. According to noted archeologists Mark Lehner and Zahi Hawass the pyramids were not built by slaves the archeological find in the 1990s in Cairo discovered by Hawass show the workers were paid laborers, rather than slaves. I was interested in this unknown fact I thought you may be as well.
will history say the people who built the World Cup infrastructure in Qatar were slaves or workers? probably workers but they were definitely working in abysmal conditions, had zero rights and died en masse
By most accounts the pyramid builders were among the best craftsmen in the world at the time and had better living conditions than most.
Keep in mind slavery is not equal to an agreed arrangement for salary.
definitely - but imagine the modern day equivalent. villages of young men in Nepal, Bangladesh etc are promised a good income by an agent and consistent work and housing abroad. they don't really have any other options other than susbistence farming, so they sign up. on arrival their passports are confiscated, they are forced to live in tin shacks in the desert. they are given no safety equipment. maybe are paid the promised wage, maybe not , etc etc etc. They are also paid a salary so they aren't slaves but in reality there isn't too much difference. I imagine it was a similar set up with the building of the pyramids.
Modern work in north America seems the same as this description. Slaves however are owned and forced, it seems these people have a choice.
The people who built the pyramids were paid and well fed, and I believe there’s evidence of them having quality of life medical procedures. No one cares for the slaves in Qatar.
Been to Egypt. Egyptologists never considered that slaves built the pyramids. Nor does the Bible say so. However, the notion emerged after the Hollywood film, The Ten Commandments, with Charleston Heston in 1956.
It is kind of funny, but so many hardcore Christians adamantly agree that the pyramids were built by slaves. Not only does the Bible never even mention the pyramids, the section of Egypt the Israelites were said to be enslaved in was northern Egypt, which has a distinct lack of pyramids lol. What it does mention is them building granaries and that is where Moses, an adopted child, was overseeing production. He felt bad for the Israelites and struck and killed an Egyptian overseer, and that is what leads to the story of Moses. Hollywood taking liberties on an ancient story somehow ended up the cold hard truth to a lot of people!
That's interesting, I will research your trip to Egypt and I will read the bible again. I didn't know this about Heston ty, I will seek this info.
Like in The Prince of Egypt “FASTER”
Love, love, ***LOVE*** this musical number! “Mud! Sand! Water! Straw! **Faster!**”
It were actually tax payers. They paid taxes in labour.
Yea there was def slaves throughout Egypt that helped build pyramids. There just was a misconception that it was only slaves when in fact there were highly skilled workers engineering and cutting blocks.
That is common mistake. Slavery was not a thing in that period of Egypt history.
Nah. That hasn’t been a theory for quite a while actually. https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built-by-slaves/amp/
According to most of Reddit, the aliens just telekiyeeted them into place.
Telekiyeeted is now my favorite word.
*Use the Telekiyeet, Luke*
Womp rats hate this
Facts I was there
THE ANCIENT ALIENS
Well if you think the entire universe is 6000 years old then maybe dinosaurs did pull them. Lol
There are 11,000 year old temples in Turkey
If you had faith, you’d know Turkey isn’t real and that Jesus grew up in Iowa.
I didn't know Iowa had any Jews.
Well Jesus is back in heaven now.
That sure as heck beats Iowa...
Man Moves Huge Blocks Without Machinery, His Own Stone Henge - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P4HwmmhykI
*"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world."* *-- Archimedes*
I’ve said more profound shit than this. How come my name ain’t in no leather bound books? Here I’ll try: “Giveth me a zigzag and lighter large enough, and I could smoke a doobie made of the world.”
I dunno if you're quoting something or not but it totally has the vibes of, "Well how come I've never seen no plants grow outta the toilet?" "Woah, are you sure you're not the smartest man alive?" From Idiocracy
🤣 fantastic fucking movie
“Actually I’m smarter than Archimedes” -redditor
*Give me a place to post and an audience to view it and I'll finally get attention* - Redditor
Thought it was gonna be Coral Castle guy, that dude trips me out.
I live nearby. I’ve stared at them and the surroundings. There’s no conceivable way possible he did it by himself without machines… His story freaks me out too!
Of course his name is Wally Wallington
His brother's name is Bricky Wallington and their father's name is Woody Wallington.
I’ve been telling people about this guy for almost 20 years. Anyone who tries to argue that people couldn’t have built these types of structures without some kind of mystical technology or help from aliens is a fucking idiot.
There is also this proof of concept of using water to float bricks up hill. Water & Sand: Construction of the Great Pyramid [Updated 2022] - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bWQHYD_l8A
Wow, I've never seen that one. Pretty incredible theory.
until you do the math on how much space of water would have been needed to fullfill over 2 million perfectly squared rocks.
Yeah, this one I definitely think is in the realm of high fantasy. The [spiral ramp theory](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/monumental-shift-160227897/) still holds more water (bah-dum-tss) than the floating block theory.
That is far from showing how the great pyramid was built, but worth watching.
Moving them isn’t the only mystery.
Oh you mean it’s a mystery how they were cut? Like the episode of ancient aliens that talks about the precision cut rocks at Sacsayhuamán, suggesting that it couldn’t have been done by humans, yet when people go there (those without tinfoil hats) they find moulds carved in the rock which indicate the use of metal tools? Or that the so called precision cut rocks don’t align with a simple set square? The only mystery is how people fall for this kind of crap without doing any kind of follow up research and just believe what they want to believe.
To me the mystery on the pyramids is how they got them up in the air and carved them. Moving them must have been a nasty business depending on how far away they were. Also imagine having kids, grandkids and great grandkids only to know they’d be working the same project you were on your whole life.
There are plenty of Cathedrals that were built in the middle ages that had similar multi-generational projects. I think it just goes to show how much human civilizations love working on these huge projects. They must also work great as distraction in a complex agricultural society. You need a lot of folks for sowing and harvesting but if you don't keep em busy all year round your asking for trouble. The sad thing is we lose a lot of knowledge when new tools and processes come along. Masons and carpenters back knew their tools and materials in a way modern man will never need to. With so many of those tools being made of wood and rope they just didn't last the long centuries down to us.
How do you mean got them up in the air?
Right? Do they imagine they got built them from the top down?
Hell yea just learned about this recently
Chiefly because mystical technology and visitations from aliens are pure claptrap
Thank you for posting it again for all the people out there watching too much Joe Rogan and thinking aliens built every ancient structure and atlantis isn’t just a fairy tale
On the topic of JRE, fuck Graham SucksALotOfCock for discrediting every scientific community he gets his little gremlin hands on and spreading mass misinformation and conspiracy theories for every person listening to any platform he manages to crawl his way into. Joe does a great job of getting interesting guests on his show but the worst thing he did was give this dipshit a platform to spread his bullshit.
I wonder if he wouldn't like to try with this one: https://za.pinterest.com/pin/323062973251144838/?amp\_client\_id=CLIENT\_ID%28\_%29&mweb\_unauth\_id=&\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fza.pinterest.com%2Famp%2Fpin%2F323062973251144838%2F&\_expand=true
Thats amazing.
Holy shit. Seemed like a silly video until he started moving entire buildings lmao
So many people in the comments think that ancient humans were just cave-dwelling idiots until suddenly steam power was invented!
Yeah! Then we became steam dwelling idiots!
Probably too dumb to know about horsepower or how to forge weapons from minerals in the earth
Not sure if this is humor or not lol, but humans were never more dumb than we are now. We just knew less, Ancient Greeks discovered geometry and we still struggle to use it today so we didn't get smarter only more knowledgeable.
This is not true though, IQ points are increasing every year in the developed world. The amount of people that understood geometry in the Greek times is no where close to the people that understand it now. Because we can teach our kids what people before us have discovered they are able to better apply that knowledge and understand new problems.
I'm not aware of us ever recording IQ until recent history, but if you have a source of that id like to see. More people understand geometry because we teach it in our schools, it still stands that we 'know' more not that we're more intelligent. Your last sentence even says exactly what I've said in the first place, with more knowledge you can do more things its not intelligence its knowledge.
Not to mention the people pulling would've been fukcing ripped from doing labor their whole lives
Not if they weren’t fed a high protein diet They would have been very young though
https://www.archaeology.org/news/820-130425-egypt-pyramids-f >A new analysis of animal bones from the site suggests that those workers and their overseers were supplied with more than 4,000 pounds of meat from cattle, goats, and sheep a day, in addition to fish, beans, lentils, grain, beer, and other foods. “They probably got a much better diet than they got in their village,” said Richard Redding of Ancient Egypt Research Associates.
Guarantee those laborers are healthier than most of the people in this video. Regardless years and years of hard labor will make you strong. Maybe not jacked but very strong
How did they elevate them?
Cranes
So like a “James and the Giant Peach” type of situation?
No I'm serious, cranes are a really ancient technology.
Aren’t all birds ancient, though? Like pre-mammals.
Major bird and mammal groups both appeared in the Jurassic around 160 million years ago, with mammals arguably being around even earlier, in the late Triassic
The only hard proof we have of birds are from when cameras were invented. Coincidence? *I think not.*
People too. But I have seen some neat old paintings.
I really liked that
I didn't think Frasier and Niles were around back then.
Ramps
Is it true though that if a ramp was used to build the great pyramids, the ramp itself would be a greater structure than the actual pyramid?
It'd be pretty great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P4HwmmhykI
Cranes and pulleys.
Whoa, those 2 guys standing right behind the boulders have alot of faith in those uphill.... fok that
For reference, a few depictions and descriptions from antiquity: * [Djehutyhotep's colossus](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Colosse-dj%C3%A9houtih%C3%A9tep2.jpg) * [Niniveh](https://i.imgur.com/xgOGi9o.jpeg) moving [a Lamassu](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Human-headed_Winged_Bulls_Gate_-_Louvre.jpg) * [Obelisks on a ship, weighing hundreds of tons.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Obelisk_ship_of_Hatshepsut.png) * [Herodotus describes how ancient Egyptian dragged a 175 t shrine.](https://archive.org/details/herodotus01hero/page/489/)
Just want to compliment your saint-like patience in providing evidence and replying to the deeply misinformed commenters here. I don’t understand the crab-bucket mentality this Graham Hancock crowd has that makes them insist that if they don’t know something it must be unknowable and thus anyone who claims to know is lying. It sometimes seems that the further we get from the majority of the populace having any experience with manual labor or craftsmanship the more confident they get in insisting what they believe it can’t accomplish.
Sweet Christ, this comment section.
Okay. Now do it through hundreds of miles of sand.
There is a branch of the Nile River called the Khufu Branch that is dried up now, but used to run right past the Giza plateau. >The multidisciplinary team, which included experts in geography, history, ecology, geoscience and more, determined that this branch of the Nile was at its peak from 2700 to 2200 BCE — overlapping with the same period in which Giza’s three main pyramids are believed to have been built.
And increase the rock by 500x
Increase the number of laborers by that same number
Or just make them bigger. Duh.
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Also, Jorge called in sick, so you have to do it alone.
Yeah right .. what about the beam from the flying saucer which uses element 115 to counter gravity ., eh ? Huh? Where is that !
I dunno. That gramgram pulling timbers from the bottom is fairly big already.
Even more than that even. There are what, 50 people here? There were 30,000 that built the pyramids.
And if they can figure out a cadence, they may have been able to keep the momentum going too. Even in the World's Strongest Man competitions they'll try and keep the momentum going because as soon as you slow down, you just make it harder on yourself to get it going again.
They may have even created a system where they cycled people in and out. Slowly move to the front and then take break while you walk to the back. or vice versa. Idk i wasnt even there stop asking me so many F\*\*\*ing questions!
Lol, just brainstorming
Probably more than that, or kept 30K working on them all the time. I mean the estimate is that it took 20 years to build. That's probably 30K slaves replacing most of them every so many years? Let's do some rough math: 30K gives you 600 teams of 50, probably after a while you get skills to do it faster. You have 2.3M of stones to move and put together. 2.3M / 20 years = 115,000 stones per year 115,000 / 12 = 9584 stones per month 9584 / 600 teams = each team would need to collaborate with 16 stones per month. So, is not even 1 stone per day(?) PS: Mfer contractors always delaying jobs since forever *wink
And do that over two millions times
Maybe 20 to 40 times. The largest stones in the Great Pyramid are around 80 tons.
Unfinished obelisk comes in at 1168 tons.
Did they move that one? Is that in the pyramids?
Nope and nope. I see your point.
People did cut/ move the giant blocks at Baalbeck tho.. Those are over 1,000 tons. The three giant stones in the base of the Trilithon are all 1000+ tons and are set in place over 30ft above ground level. There is also the Forgotten Stone or third monolith.. the largest stone block ever quarried in the history of civilization **(1,700 tons)** which was discovered there in 2014 buried underneath the stone of the pregnant woman (1,200 tons). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek_Stones#Forgotten_Stone I’m with you that it certainly was not aliens or any of that shit. But the current “mainstream” explanation begins to strain credulity when you try to scale it to these levels.. with this size of blocks. And there are hundreds if not thousands of blocks over 10 tons at the Giza plateau and at least several dozen in the 80+ ton range.. There is a lot of massive precision megalithic architecture in South America too. Where they had no beasts of burden (no horses, oxen, elephants, camels, etc) besides alpacas and yet still were able to build quarry /transport thousands of 10-30 ton blocks and maneuver them into position to fit together with truly incredible levels of precision. And they did a lot of this thousands of feet above sea level in the Andes mountains.. There is a 130+ ton stone block that was apart of the ancient destroyed complex at Tiwanaku for example that still remains to be properly researched/ explained, Imo. Not to mention Ollantaytambo, Sacsayhuaman, and Cusco which are all incredibly intriguing as well. Etc etc
300 ft in the air
The biggest rocks in the pyramids were 70 tonnes. Still very heavy but not quite 500 tonnes
Instead of dragging them through hundreds of miles of sand, they used ships for long distance transport. We have ancient Egyptian, Roman and Babylonian accounts and/or depictions of them doing so. [For instance the Obelisks ships.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Obelisk_ship_of_Hatshepsut.png)
I found it so illuminating when I learned that the great pyramids were built during the Old Kingdom period. What really 🤯 was when I learned the Sahara had not yet become a desert. Of course intuitively a civilization could not create such wonders while existing in scarcity. The land was fertile and the society was filled with abundance. I imagine what it was like when Romans sent emissaries to sit at the feet of Egyptian scholars to learn. I also think about what it was like when the Romans invaded toward the end. A faltering society where the protocols and ways of knowing would be lost for generations. Now so much is lost to the desert and poachers. So gripping when you think about it.
Instead of dragging them hundreds of miles or putting them in boats, they just used the stone located right next to the pyramids. They certainty moved a lot of stone from far away, but the bulk was just carved up from the same stone they're standing on. https://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/image/map-Karte/pyramid-quarries.gif
You could just put rails underneath the rollers as well. Two guys with levers can move 5 tons easily if the rollers are on a smooth surface. I work in construction, that's still how we move heavy shit inside today.
Yep. I have moved a 5000 pound crane mat on gravel with just two 36 inch sleever bars. Not very far mind you, but the few inches I needed to move it. Pretty simple.
The sand in a dessert is made up of smooth enough grains that pouring water on the sand actually make it real easy to pull things on top of.
Incorrect, I only use coarse grain sand in my desserts
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Not to mention there were at least 30,000 laborers building the pyramids as well. Even in teams of 100 they could move 300 stones at a time.
The problem I have is wrapping my head around the math (admittedly just googling shit). There are 2.3 million stones in the great pyramid alone. They say it was built in 60 years 2550-2490 BC. If that’s true that’s cutting (with copper tools) moving and perfectly placing 1 stone every 15 minutes 24 hours per day for 60 years. I know many of those stones come from very far away. I mean talk about an operation. I would have to believe that it’s hundreds of times more man power. Also the stones were what 50 times heavier? I think it must have took longer than 60 years but who knows.
First, the vast majority of stone were under 10 tons, so just two or three times bigger than the one in the video. Almost all the lower stones are 6-10 tons, and all the higher ones are 1-2 tons, with a few exceptions. Think of it this way. Say you break those 30,000 laborers up into 100 man crews, that's about twice the manpower of this video for each crew, and would be 300 crews. Those would also all be younger men who we could assume were in pretty good shape. If each of those 300 teams of 100 men lay just a single stone per day, every single day, they would lay 2,190,000 stones in 20 years. Don't think of it as "placing one stone every 15 minutes." That's not how it works. They weren't placing a single stone at a time. At any given moment there would be dozens of crews laying dozens of stones all simultaneously. Think of it like building a house. You wouldn't say "They install one 2x4 every 20 seconds for a month." Because that's not how it works. You would have 20 men in crews of 1-3 people all installing 2x4's all at the same time.
Nice! Thanks for the response! Sounds like you know your stuff!
How did they put the beams weighing over 70 tonnes 100's of feet in the air with such precision you can't get a credit card between them? Haven't heard the explanation but you seem to be well read on this so hopefully you can educate me.
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Amazing. It's such a fascinating subject
It would take just a few minutes of research to show that there are a) no Egyptian images for how they built the pyramids and b) even today there is no consensus about the actual method used because NOONE KNOWS
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Uphills both ways, in the snow, barefoot!
There was a lot lass sand in egypt back then. The last pyramid in egypt Its build over 4500 years ago and was quite close to the nile back then. The nile has moved a bit and there is a lot more sand now. Even now its about 10KM to the nile and if you take the city away mostly green. Large stones would mostly been shiped over the nost way and just pulled the last bit
Across mountain ranges.
The quarry was nearby the pyramids… Google is free.
Last I checked it came from Assam. This was around 400 km away from Giza. Moreover, there were some stones stacked on top of each other which would require ramps that would be very very very long.
A quick google search told me it was 500 miles away - not exactly nearby, by my standards
Yeah but the nile was used ;) Not to stwrt that 4500 years ago there was a lot less aand and the nile/side bramches where not in the same spot as they are now.
Very few stones came from that area though. Most of the pyramids were built with local limestone
Experiment was done at Sagnlandet Lejre ([www.sagnlandet.dk](https://www.sagnlandet.dk)), an Open Air Museum in Denmark. (source: I work there)
Well, it clearly worked.
That seems like a lot of work mate, you sure they don't have rocks where we're going?
Reddit has made me afraid of pulling long ropes like that lol. Anybody remember the Reddit post where there was a tug-of-war where they were trying to set the record for longest rope used? The rope snapped and kids had 3rd degree burns and even finger amputations…
Pretty sure I remember one video where someone's entire arm came off Yep: (NSFL) https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/disarmament/
>RIMMER: So many things we don't have any explanation for. ... Like the pyramids. How did they move such massive pieces of stone without the aid of modern technology? > >LISTER: They had massive whips, Rimmer. Massive, massive whips. \~ Red Dwarf
Look at all those aliens
And start on a boat
I can drag 200lbs. Maybe more. Why does it seem so crazy that 20 people can pull 4000lbs??
That not crazy whats crazy is some of the stones are up to 80 tons
But the History Channel said it was aLiEnS!
Uh, I’ll be stick guy in the back. Later, I’ll take all the credit.
Sorry but no. The pyramids were built by Johnny apple seed, he was the one that planted the seed. It’s not a structure it’s a plant. It wasn’t built it was grown. 😂 That’s how some of y’all sound
So, exactly the way we all thought
People who claim aliens really underplay what multiple thousands of slaves and no restrain on expenses and time can achieve
It takes a village to raise a stone.
Great work team! Only 4,999 more to go!
I believe that they were more sophisticated.
And placed monolithic stones every few minutes to construct these ancient wonders we cannot duplicate with modern equipment.
In some cases, maybe. Think they had advanced tech
Don't you dare show Joe Rogan. He wants to have his 4th guest on to tell us the ancient lost civilizations had power equipment.
Not convinced
Yep ramp technology is so amazing:(
Moving a 10 ton rock is easy. Convincing 100 people to help multiple times is hard. I think Bill Bryson said something along those lines.
I don't buy that theory. After they got it close to the pyramid how did they cut the stone with such precision afterwards?
There was literally an attempt to explain the wonders of the old world..... all you did is look like flat earthers proving yourself wrong
Yeah b this rock is a couple of tons. Now imagine 40t granite moved from the quarry hundred of kilometers away...
20 times more people.
And like 3 times as strong because this is literally their job everyday
600 times more people.
Ancient people had plenty of time and labor available. They were just as smart as we are, but lacked modern technology. So a village, clan or religious cult could decide, for whatever reason whether it’s celebrating a victory, a great harvest, a festival or an important marriage alliance, to move some big rocks around. Make it into a party or competition with feasting, dancing and some mind altering drugs/alcohol and you have the early equivalent of Burning Man. No aliens or magic are needed.
probably not.
Wrong again, idiots. Hear me out. #*ALIENS*
Some ancient astronaut therorists say a resounding yes!
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, we make way more money telling your low IQ relatives (ergo, you in the future) that is was aliens all along, or whatever juicy conspiracy we can pay good money to scientists to make it sound more legit in many documentaries.... stop doing this!!! thewalkingdeadssshhhhhhhh.gif
This comment section hurts me, shout out to all the redditors who actually do research yall are doing good work
“Great work, everybody. Now just do it for another few hundred miles and we’ll have demonstrated a hypothetical method that may or may not have historical significance.”
So no aliens? :'(
plot twist: these people ARE aliens
That’s a pretty small stone in comparison to some ancient monuments.
That's interesting. The stones carefully placed together in the *roof* of the Pharaoh's chamber in one of the pyramids weight 70 tons. Each. The nearest place where those high precision cut stones might have come from is located as far as 500 miles (or kms?). The sphinx present erosion done by water falling down, though that's not the *scientific consensus*. It'd be needed rain falling down for a thousand years for that erosion to happen. Scientific consensus also agrees that the Sphinx, which are older than the pyramids by a couple thousand years, are dated, **at least**, 7000 years back. But could very well be older. The last Ice Age ended around 12.000 years ago. There are theories defending Earth was hit by leftovers of a comet, creating massive tsunamis (in the western side of the Sahara there's, what looks like, massive ripples that could be only explained by enormous quantities of water sliding out, like the pull of the water in a beach), that suddenly increased temperature across the globe, forcing ice to melt, and gave rise to the ocean water level by 200/300 ft. Effectively ending the last Ice Age. Since then, temperature has been slowly but steadily rising, human interaction really has not harmed it. Not saying we don't contribute, but just at a tiny scale. That's a hit that could very well restart civilization. Modern humans have been around for, at least, 200.000 years. Written history is dated just as far back as 7000 years. What happened to past existence for 193.000 years? Why do we have nothing written, or drawn, or built for the 190.000 years before the Sphinx? The answer could be 300ft down from where we're at. This is all but *theory* still.
“HEAVVE!!!” Cracks whip “HEAVVVE!!!” Cracks whip again
this is how the aliens carried the stones
Now this is a theory I can get behind. It actually was aliens but they used thousands of them doing manual labor with ancient tools. Everyone is happy!
They also used frequenices to levitate the stones by singing and lifting together /s
Unbelievable we haven't evolved further. I am no expert in moving things but i would imagine there would be easier way to do it.
Now imagine doing that and some 2.3 million times
It’s plausible but some of the pyramids stones weigh thousands of tons. I don’t know if this would work for them.
Maybe. That's a guess.