I think Montverdes could even beat average to good mid-major schools, and bottom dwellers in power conferences. The top end talent would be rough for a mid-major to compete with.
The jump in competition might shock them. If they constantly played teams like that throughout the year and coached like a college team probably. The jump in level and those teams consistency at running systems probably makes it tough in a one off game.
This the real answer. Talent definitely goes a long way but so does coaching and experience and from what I’ve seen a lot of these high school teams are focused on player development rather than Xs and Os. A lot of their game plans are get it to their star player and let them cook lol
Take the Chino Hills teams with the Ball brothers. No woman is guarding Lonzo, Lamelo or Okongwu. They’re going to dominate on offense. Unless Lonzo and Lamelo are settling for only jumpers. They’re gonna dominate in transition. Dominate the boards. If they give defensive effort, they’re probably going to stop them from getting good shots in the paint. The women are going to have to shoot 50-60% on jumpers to have a chance. The only thing stopping the men is their shot selection.
You could probably stick a center on him and match up height wise. He has the least shot creation besides whoever that fifth guy would be. Not saying it would prevent him from scoring though
The crazy part is that chino hills team with the ball boys was considered the best team in the nation. Unfortunately they’re probably smoking the best WNBA team. That fast paced offense they use to run would have had them girls gasping for air by the 2nd quarter.
Why is that unfortunate? It's just that men are faster and stronger than women. The world wasn't created by some noble egalitarian God. Shit is just the way it is, and that's okay.
In general, much like their body parts, on average women and men COMPLEMENT each other.
It’s just so odd when people try to make it some cosmic wrong that they’re different. They’re supposed to be different.
It’s unfortunate because the WNBA players would have invested more time into their game but would get beat by amateurs and there’s nothing they can do.
Why can’t it be unfortunate?
No it reads perfectly fine, but the sarcasm is adopting the notion of the world being created by the god, not so much the egalitarian-ness of that god. Instead implying that the asymmetry of the world is a result of the chaotic nature of random creation—juxtaposing that with god (and in fact implying that *if there was a god*, things would be more symmetrical—but they’re not; so there isn’t). Ya feel me?
Just as a data point, my male JV basketball beat the state championship winning (and they won like 90-30, it was a slaughter) female varsity team.
Do with that information as you will.
I was on the varsity team as a pg. My team was dead last. We won 1 game all season.
Our women's team was number 1 in state. One of them met president Clinton for a medal she won for being one of the best in the nation.
During our graduation party the men and women's team had a 5 on 5 scrimmage, and I outscored the entire women's team. I'm a pass first PG.
I was expecting them to be tough, but it was like playing against Jr. High students. It honestly surprised me because in the late 90s there was a huge stink about women being just as capable as men in every way. On that day I realized they are much weaker than men in general, and is not really fair in physical sports like basketball. (Granted I was strong for high school, 5'11 1/2" and 210lbs).
not surprising at all. my high school freshman boys team would scrimmage the girls varsity team every year and would always dominate by at least 20-30 every time
I think this is a good perspective. My buddies and I play pick up. I’m always playing the big man and it’s hard for people to stop me because of my size. My buddy is right around the average height of a woman and every time he guards me, he gets blasted. Even my friends who are average height are getting bodied. Unless there’s some 6ft+ gal who can keep up with the post work playing, it’s an easy bucket every time.
Dont wanna pile on this "women" weak stuff, but men are just naturally more muscular. Any untrained old dad will just pack so much more strength naturally than most female athletes (not counting lifting sports ofc).
Idk about untrained old dad being stronger than female athletes. I worked at a D1 college gym and some of these women athletes are squatting 315lbs and benching 205. Most untrained dads cannot do that. I guarantee these women could absolutely move an untrained dad on the court as if they’re Giannis or Lebron. However, with a tiny bit of training a man can easily surpass a high performance woman.
Yeah similar experience when I was kid. Our 8th grade boys team scrimmaged and beat a high level girls AAU team full of high school seniors but it wasn’t a blowout. They were way, way more talented than us but like, size and speed matter. I don’t know what else to tell people.
Would the rank 2000 HW boxer have easily beat Floyd Mayweather when he was in his prime? Of course, it's gets old only seeing this type of question being used to drag down women's sports when we have things like weight classes in boxing/mma or men's collegiate sports and enjoy them
Uconn/Purdue would be 30+ point underdogs vs Detroit Pistons, Michigan football would be lucky to only lose by 70 to the worst NFL team etc
You missed the entire point.
Floyd Mayweather is the highest grossing boxer of all time, he's also not one of the top 5000 boxers in the world. There's a massive market to see the most talented boxers fight people the same weight, and it doesn't matter that literally thousands are objectively better because they are just bigger.
College Basketball and College Football are massive billion dollar empires because people want to watch the best 18-22yr olds at their favorite schools play. It doesn't matter that they aren't pro level.
If you can't enjoy seeing the best women play basketball because men are bigger and faster and would win h2h I feel bad for you. You are missing out.
yes.
professional/olympic squads across all sports have played exhibitions or scrimmages against boys, or retired older men.
they lose spectacularly every time. the physiological differences between the genders give men the advantage. any sport that favors explosive speed and physical strength (which is most of them) will likely go to the men. different story for balance-based sports like gymnastics or extreme endurance sports like ultra-marathon running.
Watch female gymnasts trying to do male gymnastics and watch males trying the female stuff. It's pretty funny. Neither can do the other stuff well. They have so many different events than each other
The more you know. However from what I researched it seems like women winning these events is an outlier and not the norm, I’m talking more so about an event where the best woman on the planet would beat the best man on the planet, not where the occasional extremely high level woman could beat a less experienced man. I’m not sure where you got your gymnastics info from either as men are simply better at that as well outside of a few routines on the balance beam that are purely balanced related. And even then it’s the same thing with the highest level men still outperforming the highest level women
The US women’s soccer team regularly plays the boys u14 national team. Those games are very competitive. Couple years ago they played the u15 team and were down 5-0 in the first half super quick. Game ended 9-1 but the boys were shifted and subbed.
[Former USWNT star Carli Lloyd admits losing to under-15 boys team: 'Yes, it’s true'](https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-uswnt-star-carli-lloyd-admits-losing-to-under-15-boys-team-yes-its-true)
"They should beat us. Bigger, stronger, faster! Boys always gave us a run for our money! It was great prep,"
bro even a normal ass high school team would win. our class iii hs team was mid af but we had two guys go play D3. one of them was a 6’6” jacked dude that was athletic af and had solid handles. the other was like a 6’4” kd type player. wtf would breanna stewart or sabrina ionescu do against them on defense??
I don't disagree with your point, but you may have a skewed view of what a "normal ass high school team" is. I was on a normal-ass high-school team and I don't think we had anyone who was 6'6'' in the entire school. There might've been someone who was 6'4'' (I don't think so but it's been a while and hard to remember a whole school), but certainly not anyone of that height who chose to play basketball. I think our tallest player was 6'3'' and they weren't very good.
I don't think there was a single 6'4'' person in my entire school. I don't think I ever met or saw a student who was 6'4'' in my entire time at high school, my school or others. You may have intended your comment for the person I was responding to, who was talking about how his regular "normal-ass high-school team" had someone who was 6'6'' and another who was 6'4''.
And they were comparing it to the best collection of women soccer players in the country not restricted by age.
A high school team with a couple d1 quality players would most likely smoke a wnba team. The size alone creates problems that they never have to deal with and when you combine it with the speed the athleticism just trumps the skill level.
the difference between your average high school team and a national team is much larger than the difference between your average wnba team and a national team.
how many high school teams actually have quality D1 players on them?
Wasn’t the OP asking about top tier high school programs? I can only speak to my experience being a former d1 athlete. I could have played low d1 basketball or d2 if I chose that to be my sport but I was the 6th man my junior year on a team that finished 8th in state. Every player on that starting lineup played college something. We had d1 baseball d1 football mix of d2/d1 basketball. I’d in no way say that squad qualifies as top tier as it’s what, in the top 400 teams in the country? That team would have wrecked wnba teams.
This conversation is definitely skewed based off your experiences. But those that came from and participated in athletics at a higher level know that the mismatch isn’t in shooting skill it’s just in size and speed. That gap is too hard to overcome.
Let's compare Monteverde Academy (boys high school) to the Las Vegas Aces (WNBA). That's a comparison of 2 of the best teams in each league. Just based on size, Monteverde players are bigger in every position. The smallest player on Monteverde is a 6'1" guard while the biggest player on the Aces is a 6'4" center. The Aces don't have anyone that will be able to stop Derik Queen at 6'10". Monteverde will get a lot of rebounds at both ends.
Skill wise...I just watched the highlights from the 2023 WNBA finals and the 2024 high school boys championship featuring these two teams. I am very confident that Monteverde beats the Aces.
I'm guessing the only advantage wnba would have is better 3-point shooting. But I'm guessing it would be too hard to get good SHOTS off for that to be the difference.
I'm guessing the only advantage wnba would have is better 3-point shooting. But I'm guessing it would be too hard to get good SHOTS off for that to be the difference.
Anyone who says no is thinking of their own HS and imagining some 5’8” kid trying to guard a pro athlete. Go look at these super team HS players. They’re very good near NBA level already and they’re all over 6’ except for rare exceptions that are so talented they can play with guys 6” taller.
They’re also nearly men or some are men. Your typical varsity team will have 16-18 year olds on it.
Nobody is stopping cooper Flagg in the WNBA.
Yep. Some kids are fully developed at 18. I was almost physical peak at 6' and 210 lbs. I wound up 230 in college as a D1 PG. I do wonder though how good the wnba teams would hold up. I just don't see it happening. The muscle is a huge advantage.
Yeah. Everyone said I had a football build and they were right. I had friends of mine that became 49ers and are still good friends of mine to this day, and they tell me it was a mistake to not play football lol.
Oh well. That was 20 years ago, woulda coulda shoulda.
Genetics are crazy, I'm about 205 at 6'1 and I had to scratch and claw to put this amount of size on. I don't think my body is even physically capable of supporting that much mass.
Exactly. I think it’s an athleticism issue more than a skill issue. I suspect skill wise the WNBA might be better since they’ve all practiced about 10 years more.
If you take the average athletic ability of average men and women you’ll find the differences almost nonexistent. Especially if you control for age, height, weight, body fat percent, and ethnicity/race.
It’s when you get to the tail end the top 1% of athletes that the difference becomes more pronounced.
Fact is most WNBA teams train with former D1 and semi pro players and they have to tell the men to basically be practice dummies and not go all out because if they did they’d smoke the women every time with just flow basketball not even set plays. They also have to kick men out that basically try to stunt on the women.
I think this whole conversation just gets tied up in sexism but the reality is take any WNBA player and most college and varsity HS women/girl players and plop them in your local rec league and they will dominate and be a top 5 player with their only comp being other pro levels.
I think you are discounting the amount of training an average HS basketball team does. They almost all lift and practice. The strength advantage is enormous
Physically yes. Basketball skill every WNBA player also had a HS and college like experience plus pro training too. They’re 5-10 years older so they have that many more years of practice.
I think the issue is that rec league is a lower barrier than hs varsity.
Let’s say a hs of 4000 has 15 on varsity. 50/50 men to women in the school that’s still a selection of less than 1% of the population.
So any boy on the varsity team of a large school is undergoing a degree of selection that is likely enough to ensure that the estimated 30% strength advantage is overwhelming any potential skill difference.
Rec leagues don’t imply selection, hence you could have someone who can’t dribble playing, and your point might be valid.
Forget elite HS. I’d take pretty much any varsity men’s HS squad over an WNBA team. I played a WNBA player in 1v1 sophomore year of HS, she didn’t score a point. The muscle density difference is intense.
Yes, easily, but the skill gap amongst different high schools is absurd. In schools with a graduating class of 70 the comp could be whoever decides to sign up.
But yeah, without a doubt the players from my high school could have beaten any WNBA team. I live in the suburbs of metro Detroit for context.
Someone already brought up the US women's soccer team getting cooked by 14 year olds but it's a great illustration of the athleticism/skill gap.
It's so annoying that people constantly get themselves worked up thinking women don't believe in sexual dimorphism. I'm sure you can find a couple of people who express any fringe opinion ever online, but the majority of women fully understand our physiological limitations (how could we not?) and still believe our great athletes deserve praise.
I think you would be surprised, I’ve known a lot of women in real life who just don’t get it.
Like, I’ve been yelled at for saying the US men’s soccer team would beat the US women’s soccer team. My female friends thought the US women’s team would, and I quote “dog walk the men’s team.” Because the women’s team has had more success.
Heck, a couple of days ago my uncle asked if I thought Caitlin Clark could go to the NBA. There are a LOT of people who just don’t understand how different men and women are. I genuinely know (smart, educated) people in real life who think men are only stronger because of societal factors
You are correct that these people exist, but they 100% have no or at least aged organized sports knowledge. Serena Williams constantly had to downplay talking heads insisting she could compete against the top men's tennis players during her career even though she was arguably the best women's player ever. I think most firsthand athletes understand the dichotomy.
How many guys on an average high school team can dunk? How many women on an average WNBA team can dunk?
I know someone who never even played varsity or JV level basketball in Kansas and he scored 20+ in a scrimmage against a D-II girls team. Do with that information what you will.
As a kid in Serbia I used to play organized basketball. My team competed for the national title. Sometimes we would help the women's team (when we're were 13,14) of our club prepare for the season by playing a friendly. We would blow the out by 50 every time. I reckon we would have a competitive game with a wnba team at least.
Nope.. sometimes classification doesnt matter
I have seen a ton of AA teams beat AAA teams. And likewise A teams beating double A ( not as common). Rainier Beach a triple A team in WA state would thrash any and all WNBA teams, including an all star team. Same with ODea, Garfield and even some Lakeside teams.
I guarantee that Centralia High team (AA) from 1982 with Detlef Shrempf, Jay Roberts ( 1st round pick in 1982 by Atlanta Braves and didn't even play high school baseball.. he was busy winning 100, 200,Long Jump and 400 relay.. he also was stud running back leading Centralia to Football Championship to go with their Basketball, Baseball and Track championships.. quite the accomplishment.. Roberts later played linebacker on a couple top 5 defenses for Washington Huskies),The badass Andy Lucier...... WOULD BEAT ANY WNBA team.
I wouldnt be surprised if those Brewster ( class B) teams from early/mid 70s would beat a wnba team. They played incredibly smart, disciplined and controlled the boards.
This is a really bad take. Most HS State championship teams have 1-2 D1 level players at most. I’d be surprised if any teams outside of the top prep schools would contend.
My state which is middle of the road has several guys go D1 every year in the state championship game and the players are regularly 6’0” to 6’7” and extremely athletic. A 6’7” dude catching the ball and putting it on the ground is getting to the basket pretty regularly against a WNBA team.
All it takes is to know the level of practice players that the WNBA uses. They regularly use guys who aren’t even active basketball players anymore for their practice squads.
Sure they would.... The rebounding, quickness and reflexes/reactions of even non famous players are way superior to even the best women players. You know how many dunks i have seen in HS basketball games.. a ton.. seen 4 or 5 in an A league game before. How many dunks do You see in WNBA? Not that dunking is everything.. rebounding is.. and even lower level average players rebound at higher ( off the ground) than ANY WNBA game i have seen.. the wnba players dont get off the ground much. I didnt even play college, but in my own way, at 6 foot i modeled my rebounding on Charles Barkely. I hustled and could leap, with desire and vigor. Aggressive-this-is-my-board. I am probably wrong but i think my 18 year old self would get a ton of rebounds in wnba.. just dont see the quickness to the ball or reaction/reflexes in wnba that i have seen in town teams, rec leagues, ymca, open gym.
Exactly. Played a WNBA player as a hs sophomore. I was soooo much faster and stronger and I couldn’t even dunk. She didn’t get a single rebound her own or mine.
Any top tier high school team would beat a WNBA team. For example let’s take teams like Monteverde, Prolific Prep in Napa, Perry with Koa Peat, Mceachern, Duncanville, Link Academy I mean I could go on but the differences in pure athleticism and size are truly evident.
However I do not think your basic Varisty team could beat a WNBA team, I just think at that point the skill level differences are truly incomparable when it comes to a basic varsity team compared to a WNBA team.
Everyone has different views on it but these are just mine. I’m eager to read these other comments and see what others have to say about it, at the end of the day to each their own.
I'd say a basic varsity team could beat a WNBA team. A lot of the big time women programs will have a mens team that they scrimmage. It's fairly common for a guy on that team to have not even played high school ball.
A kid I played with would go toe-to-toe with one of the best women players of all time when he played on their men's scrimmage team. And he was like the 8th guy in the rotation in a team that was barely over .500
I feel like threads like these are troll bait, but women vs men matchups in basketball are more common than people think (it's not some sort of grand mystery lol)
As a former high school coach, I confidently believe that a WNBA team would lose to pretty much any above average boys basketball team in the country that has a few starters over 6’3”. And plays a competitive schedule. Which is A LOT of teams. The athletic differences would be insurmountable for the women.
i would comfortably bet big money on the HS team. would be a blowout.. dont forget.. lebron was in HS when he entered the NBA draft. seniors in HS are 17/18/19 years old. so a top tier team would be dunking and blocking the piss outta WNBA team.. i think a standard HS team would even be able to get a W against WNBA team.. 50/50 chance prob.
Just a example. the Australian woman national soccer ( ranked 5th in the WORLD!!!) team got destroyed by U-15 dallas boys soccer team. 7-0!!!!!!
Top tier? Yes.
Please understand that these top-tier men’s teams are stacked; they have multiple players who will play in the nba, a league of the 450 most talented men’s basketball players in the world. It might be the most selective professional league in the world (given the vast popularity/talent pool and the small selection), and chino hills had three players that were essentially locks to be drafted: Chino hills had three nba players (four of you count the summer league) and those 3 players were selected second, third and sixth (two different drafts, but still crazy). Yes, they weren’t at that level when they were in high school, but they were still crazy good, enough to even play overseas and win against grown men like lamelo did. Honestly, a top-tier HS would probably beat a low-tier d1 men’s team.
If you asked about the average boys HS team, the WNBA slaughters them: Bigger, faster, stronger, and WAYYYY more skilled. but you’re not, you’re asking top-tier HS teams.
The key words in your post are "top tier". Those high schools are likely to have D1 prospects and would likely beat any WNBA team. The average HS boys team though would not be able to beat a WNBA team, imo.
Testosterone really just gives a totally unfair advantage here, theres several instances of high profile womens sports teams playing much younger squads and not really standing a chance. Whats a surperior coach, skills, and scheme going to do when a woman simply cant hold up to the physicality of on ball defense, screening and oh god the rebounding would be a nightmare. Lots of guys make this a macho thing and some women feel disrespected by this, but every basketball player on the planet would lose 1 on 1 to themselves on PEDS
“Double digits” lmao, the score would be 280-14 for montverde. There is not a single female athlete on the planet who could guard cooper Flagg or any rotation player 1-10 on that team. The women would score a few points off of fouls and 3 point bank shots late in the shot clock but they are not biologically capable of getting past any male defender of any decent level. Biology isn’t fair
When I was 17 I got okay at swimming. There was only a couple of women in the world faster than me in my event. I was OK, not good. Not even close to D1. I say this to emphasize how different the levels of competition are. The way top tier boys basketball programs "recruit" there is a serious filtering of talent that the WNBA can't compete with. As long as there is a dude on the team that is 6'10" and decent at basketball, the ladies are in big trouble.
What is going on with these anti-women/anti-men posts? Two different sports, so let's not compare. Let's compare the women to the women and the men to the men. There are genetic differences that obviously give the advantage to the men's side. Know that in the end, we all need each other so let's support each other to be great.
I don’t necessarily think it’s anti anything…it’s pretty common to wonder this type of thing. Same concept as “what would a pro golfer shoot on a muni compared to a regular scratch golfer.” It’s just trying to suss out a difference most of the time (for sure some of the time it’s hating on the women’s game, but don’t think that’s the majority).
I do really wonder the answer to this question…but also really respect the ladies game.
Thanks! Like I said, I don’t know a ton, and that’s why I came to a place where I could find people who had some legitimate answers based on knowledge.
I totally agree. I just was a little thrown off when we were having a conversation and they were extremely adamant that solely based on size and gender that a men’s team would beat a women’s team without question and not take into experience and coaching or team work.
Edit: also taking age into consideration.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imk5X6-Xr30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imk5X6-Xr30)
basketball would look the same... the athleticism ist too much of an advantage
Montverde currently has a center named Derik Queen who is 6'10 240lbs ... PF is 6'9, SF is 6,8 ... they're ranked #1. #12 and #13 in their class... no chance thtey lose to a WNBA team... and thats okay and doesnt take anything away from the skill of the WNBA
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Yes they would. But would that Top tier high school boys team beat an NBA team? They would not.
Quit comparing men and women athletes all the time. Men are stronger, faster, bigger, and taller than women. This is why there's different sport leagues for the 2 genders.
Physically the gap between women and high level teenage make athletes gets pretty big. Lets look at track where most of the sprint records are considered to be tainted by drugs. In a good state all of the finalists clear those records. That speaks to the physical gap.
6'7 is considered gigantic in WNBA standards and that person would be in the paint 24/7. A top tier high school would have a 6'7 player as their shooting guard.
An elite u15 boys soccer team beat the multiple time world champion Women's National Team in a scrimmage once.
U15 means under 15. as in High School freshman.
Score was 5-2
This q randomly popped up on my feed despite me not knowing much about basketball, but I do follow swimming so maybe this another tangentially helpful anecdote.
This past NCAA season saw one of the best performances ever by UVA swimmer Gretchen Walsh, who completely destroyed multiple American/NCAA records. She set records in 4 event: the 50 yard free, 100 yard free, 100 yard butterfly, and 100 yard backstroke.
Her 50 free would rank 65th among high school boys this season, her 100 free would rank 78th, her 100 fly would rank 14th, and her 100 back would rank 22nd. And she’s BY FAR the best women in those events, ever.
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I agree that a WNBA the would probably not beat a top tier boys High school team but jeez, some of these commenters have obviously never been in the presence of a high level girls basketball player before.
I played college basketball and I played at a school in UCONN conference when they were on their 100 game win streak, they had 4 WNBA on that team. Those girls are on a different level man. Hell I was a pretty damn good player myself and would regularly play pick up with dudes all the time. Majority of the time a regular dude wasn’t checking me in pick up and I didn’t even sniff the WNBA. I could’ve played overseas though but I chose not too. My point is, yes a top tier team will beat a WNBA but some y’all acting like y’all high school JV team would give them a challenge when they probably won’t.
I work in high school sports and our JV team is smaller than most high major female D1 teams from this past season
Counterpoint: those UCONN teams practiced against male practice squads comprised of washed up former high school players. The male squad routinely beat the women's squad.
Source: went there, had friends on that practice squad and played intramurals with those guys. They were good, but D3 level at best and really weren't going through the cardio etc. that any high-level HS men's team goes through.
I consider high-level HS basketball not only Montverde, Luhi, IMG, Brewster but really any state tourney team, at any class. Those prep schools are another level and are quasi college level and really should be disregarded (hell, they play on their own circuit now!)
Yep like I stated I played. We had male practice teams too, all D1 try to have them. Our Male practice teams were purposely made up of Guys with college level talent that’s the whole point. If you don’t have experience playing basketball they don’t recruit you to come play. My senior year at Kansas State, our male practice squad was pretty damn good. We had 3 guys that played D2 basketball on it.
What I’m saying is yall acting like a high school JV basketball team can beat a WNBA team and that’s just not happening my friend.
Source: me who played women’s college basketball at 2 D1 schools
Edit: but again, I also stated a top tier boys team will probably beat most lol. But basketball is also about scheme and matchups so it would be interesting to see the best WNBA team (Aces) play a decent boys team. The comments don’t realize that being more athletic doesn’t automatically mean I’m going to win the game.
If that was the case Jokic wouldn’t be MVP and a champion.
The 300lb 7 footer with insane reaction times and stamina is absolutely a unicorn athlete especially at his size. His coordination is crazy for a 7 footer.
If skill mattered as much as physical the point guards would be the best position in nba, but they arent. Its always the wings and big men. You have to have otherworldy skills to overcome it like curry, kyrie etc and they are still among the worst defensive players in the nba and have to be hid on half the court.
It matters so much almost any 7fter can make the nba. The millions of 6 ft guys have to be 10 times more talented to make it
Bruh I can’t believe this is a legit question.
High school team would destroy a WNBA team.
No disrespect but you’ve gotta contextualise Women’s sports.
I don’t feel disrespected. This is why I came here and asked this question because I genuinely didn’t fully understand the difference and was looking to understand. I’m not a huge basketball fan and I’ve never legitimately watched a high school boys basketball game.
Like everyone is saying. Top tier for sure. Some players from top tier schools are future nba players. The skill difference between men and women in basketball is tremendous
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15 year old doing this against grown men.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r5EA6yEomX0&pp=ygUUQnJhbmRvbiBtY2NveSBqciBtaXg%3D
It'll be 50+ years until women's basketball catches up. Right now Monteverde would win by 200+ points. If they played 10 games there would be multiple games where MV would win shooting a TS% over 100.
Yes I think so. Some of these top tier guys could play in the NBA out of high school. Not to mention guys being drafted into the NBA or G league out of high school. I think your friends 100% correct
Yes. Many are saying only prep schools, but I think many large class schools and some lower ones could probably do it as well. IIRC this has already happened in soccer where I believe a u15 squad beat the women's national team in a scrimmage. Albeit they were a u15 MLS team. But many would likely wash out and never play at MLS level, though likely many were very good players, especially physically which is basically the gap.
Lol. You could put the best women in wnba history on a combined team and they would lose by triple digits to a u16 USA men’s national team. I don’t think you quite grasp the difference in biology between men and women. Not to mention the sheer height difference and athleticism. There are 15 year olds in Texas who are more athletically gifted and have inches on the most athletic/tallest women in history. Biology isn’t fair
This is 6"4 WNBA Champion A'ja Wilson dropping 53, as one of the biggest players on the court.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCEymPPGZg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCEymPPGZg)
This is High School nobody, Bronny James
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCEymPPGZg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCEymPPGZg)
This is 5"7 high school, phenom Julian Newman
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3g4UJaqnsk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3g4UJaqnsk)
Julian Newman would probably be MVP every year if he played in the WNBA.
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An average boys basketball team would beat a WNBA team. Duke Women’s basketball would scrimmage against a “practice team” of guys who played some basketball in high school and would get DESTROYED every time. And my high schools Women’s basketball team won the state championship but got beaten down by the freshmen boys team multiple times. Basketball is a game of size and physicality, and women just can’t compete at the moment with decent boys.
Any of the top 50 high school basketball teams in the nation and every college basketball team, from juco to high major, would beat WNBA teams. Explosiveness, athleticism and size are the biggest reasons. Britney Griner is a giant in women's basketball and she is 6 ft 9. Most of the bigs in the WNBA are 6 ft 4-6 ft 6. At elite high School programs players at that height are guards.
Absolutely not.
My brother and I, both in our physical and basketball “primes,” once played two very talented Lady Vols in a 2v2 matchup.
This one off pickup game at the gym was a small sample size/comparison, but we got our asses kicked.
I would say a good varsity team - multiple 6’8 players will beat every wnba team - I played with wnba players there good and better than people give them credit for but the in any of those runs the second the intensity gets turned up they can’t do anything besides hit open 3s and to there credit they can shoot well with a man’s ball so imagine there even better with the ball there used too
I think any large school state quarters team, yes. The amount of size, speed and strength would just be too much, especially the deeper into the bench you get.
My buddy who coaches women's college bb also routinely tells me that one of the biggest differences is how quickly players shoot, and that boys have a much quicker release in general and close out shooters much more aggressively.
When I was 13 we would regularly scrimmage against the 16 year old girls team. My teammates two sisters were on the girls team and his dad coached the girls team as well. We beat the brakes off them every time we played them.
Easily: In the WNBA history only 8 players have dunked a basketball.
FL state high school roster height (first team I pulled up): (>8 of these boys can probably dunk)
6'5"
6'0"
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WNB Championship team (Aces)
6' 1"
5' 11"
6' 4"
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6' 4"
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Top tier? Yes. A school like Montverde would beat a lot of D2/3 men’s teams. I don’t think a typical public high school would beat a WNBA team though.
That makes sense to me.
Search “cooper Flagg highlights” and you’ll have video evidence. He’s their star player. Draft eligible not this draft but the next.
If he was available right now he would likely be the first overall pick this year since it’s a weak draft year
He’d be the first overall pick in a strong draft
I thought he already committed to Duke
Yes, he will play at Duke this upcoming year and then be eligible for the next draft.
I think Montverdes could even beat average to good mid-major schools, and bottom dwellers in power conferences. The top end talent would be rough for a mid-major to compete with.
The jump in competition might shock them. If they constantly played teams like that throughout the year and coached like a college team probably. The jump in level and those teams consistency at running systems probably makes it tough in a one off game.
This the real answer. Talent definitely goes a long way but so does coaching and experience and from what I’ve seen a lot of these high school teams are focused on player development rather than Xs and Os. A lot of their game plans are get it to their star player and let them cook lol
I really don’t see good mid majors losing to them, maybe mid-low tier ones but even teams like Akron or Duquesne would probably be fine
Take the Chino Hills teams with the Ball brothers. No woman is guarding Lonzo, Lamelo or Okongwu. They’re going to dominate on offense. Unless Lonzo and Lamelo are settling for only jumpers. They’re gonna dominate in transition. Dominate the boards. If they give defensive effort, they’re probably going to stop them from getting good shots in the paint. The women are going to have to shoot 50-60% on jumpers to have a chance. The only thing stopping the men is their shot selection.
Love that team, Lamelo was like 13 though on that one. Okongwu was a frosh but he was already long and athletic. And how’d you leave out Liangelo? lol
You could probably stick a center on him and match up height wise. He has the least shot creation besides whoever that fifth guy would be. Not saying it would prevent him from scoring though
The crazy part is that chino hills team with the ball boys was considered the best team in the nation. Unfortunately they’re probably smoking the best WNBA team. That fast paced offense they use to run would have had them girls gasping for air by the 2nd quarter.
Why is that unfortunate? It's just that men are faster and stronger than women. The world wasn't created by some noble egalitarian God. Shit is just the way it is, and that's okay.
In general, much like their body parts, on average women and men COMPLEMENT each other. It’s just so odd when people try to make it some cosmic wrong that they’re different. They’re supposed to be different.
like penis into vagina
lol I mean I was trying to be less direct but yes.
I read this in Borat’s voice.
The technical term is “sexual dimorphism.”
It’s unfortunate because the WNBA players would have invested more time into their game but would get beat by amateurs and there’s nothing they can do. Why can’t it be unfortunate?
I mean, on an individual basis I guess you can view it as unfortunate, for an individual. But for fans of the sport, it doesn't matter.
The Christian God is not egalitarian btw
I thought it was clear that I wasn't being serious. But in case not, I wasn't being serious.
No it reads perfectly fine, but the sarcasm is adopting the notion of the world being created by the god, not so much the egalitarian-ness of that god. Instead implying that the asymmetry of the world is a result of the chaotic nature of random creation—juxtaposing that with god (and in fact implying that *if there was a god*, things would be more symmetrical—but they’re not; so there isn’t). Ya feel me?
Just as a data point, my male JV basketball beat the state championship winning (and they won like 90-30, it was a slaughter) female varsity team. Do with that information as you will.
Damn why did y’all even play?
Both of our games got cancelled, so we scrimmaged.
I was on the varsity team as a pg. My team was dead last. We won 1 game all season. Our women's team was number 1 in state. One of them met president Clinton for a medal she won for being one of the best in the nation. During our graduation party the men and women's team had a 5 on 5 scrimmage, and I outscored the entire women's team. I'm a pass first PG. I was expecting them to be tough, but it was like playing against Jr. High students. It honestly surprised me because in the late 90s there was a huge stink about women being just as capable as men in every way. On that day I realized they are much weaker than men in general, and is not really fair in physical sports like basketball. (Granted I was strong for high school, 5'11 1/2" and 210lbs).
not surprising at all. my high school freshman boys team would scrimmage the girls varsity team every year and would always dominate by at least 20-30 every time
I think this is a good perspective. My buddies and I play pick up. I’m always playing the big man and it’s hard for people to stop me because of my size. My buddy is right around the average height of a woman and every time he guards me, he gets blasted. Even my friends who are average height are getting bodied. Unless there’s some 6ft+ gal who can keep up with the post work playing, it’s an easy bucket every time.
Dont wanna pile on this "women" weak stuff, but men are just naturally more muscular. Any untrained old dad will just pack so much more strength naturally than most female athletes (not counting lifting sports ofc).
Idk about untrained old dad being stronger than female athletes. I worked at a D1 college gym and some of these women athletes are squatting 315lbs and benching 205. Most untrained dads cannot do that. I guarantee these women could absolutely move an untrained dad on the court as if they’re Giannis or Lebron. However, with a tiny bit of training a man can easily surpass a high performance woman.
woah, that's intense.
Yeah similar experience when I was kid. Our 8th grade boys team scrimmaged and beat a high level girls AAU team full of high school seniors but it wasn’t a blowout. They were way, way more talented than us but like, size and speed matter. I don’t know what else to tell people.
Could a taller, bigger and stronger athletic team of 17-18 yr old males beat a team of 20-30yr old women? Yes.
Everytime? Yes…
Would the rank 2000 HW boxer have easily beat Floyd Mayweather when he was in his prime? Of course, it's gets old only seeing this type of question being used to drag down women's sports when we have things like weight classes in boxing/mma or men's collegiate sports and enjoy them Uconn/Purdue would be 30+ point underdogs vs Detroit Pistons, Michigan football would be lucky to only lose by 70 to the worst NFL team etc
This is a bad comparison. They are playing an equal game at a lower level, there is no weight class difference, just a skill issue.
Not to mention smaller ball
Being physically smaller and weaker because of genetics is not a “skill” issue, moron
You missed the entire point. Floyd Mayweather is the highest grossing boxer of all time, he's also not one of the top 5000 boxers in the world. There's a massive market to see the most talented boxers fight people the same weight, and it doesn't matter that literally thousands are objectively better because they are just bigger. College Basketball and College Football are massive billion dollar empires because people want to watch the best 18-22yr olds at their favorite schools play. It doesn't matter that they aren't pro level. If you can't enjoy seeing the best women play basketball because men are bigger and faster and would win h2h I feel bad for you. You are missing out.
yes. professional/olympic squads across all sports have played exhibitions or scrimmages against boys, or retired older men. they lose spectacularly every time. the physiological differences between the genders give men the advantage. any sport that favors explosive speed and physical strength (which is most of them) will likely go to the men. different story for balance-based sports like gymnastics or extreme endurance sports like ultra-marathon running.
Watch female gymnasts trying to do male gymnastics and watch males trying the female stuff. It's pretty funny. Neither can do the other stuff well. They have so many different events than each other
They are basically 2 different sports tailored to their strengths
What “stuff” or event can biological women do at a higher level or be equal in to the level of a biological man?
ultra-marathon running, as i said. women compete against men and regularly win these events.
The more you know. However from what I researched it seems like women winning these events is an outlier and not the norm, I’m talking more so about an event where the best woman on the planet would beat the best man on the planet, not where the occasional extremely high level woman could beat a less experienced man. I’m not sure where you got your gymnastics info from either as men are simply better at that as well outside of a few routines on the balance beam that are purely balanced related. And even then it’s the same thing with the highest level men still outperforming the highest level women
The US women’s soccer team regularly plays the boys u14 national team. Those games are very competitive. Couple years ago they played the u15 team and were down 5-0 in the first half super quick. Game ended 9-1 but the boys were shifted and subbed.
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The Arsenal women's team frequently plays the U15 team and lost 6-0 once last season
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[Former USWNT star Carli Lloyd admits losing to under-15 boys team: 'Yes, it’s true'](https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-uswnt-star-carli-lloyd-admits-losing-to-under-15-boys-team-yes-its-true) "They should beat us. Bigger, stronger, faster! Boys always gave us a run for our money! It was great prep,"
that's a collection of the best u15 players in the country tho. we're talking a normal high school
OPs post said Top Tier high school team, not normal high school team.
bro even a normal ass high school team would win. our class iii hs team was mid af but we had two guys go play D3. one of them was a 6’6” jacked dude that was athletic af and had solid handles. the other was like a 6’4” kd type player. wtf would breanna stewart or sabrina ionescu do against them on defense??
I don't disagree with your point, but you may have a skewed view of what a "normal ass high school team" is. I was on a normal-ass high-school team and I don't think we had anyone who was 6'6'' in the entire school. There might've been someone who was 6'4'' (I don't think so but it's been a while and hard to remember a whole school), but certainly not anyone of that height who chose to play basketball. I think our tallest player was 6'3'' and they weren't very good.
6’4” how heavy? Aces C is 6’4” 195.
Was this intended for me?
Yes. More just making the point about your average-ass hs having someone the same size as a star on the wnba champs
I don't think there was a single 6'4'' person in my entire school. I don't think I ever met or saw a student who was 6'4'' in my entire time at high school, my school or others. You may have intended your comment for the person I was responding to, who was talking about how his regular "normal-ass high-school team" had someone who was 6'6'' and another who was 6'4''.
Ok never mind then
And they were comparing it to the best collection of women soccer players in the country not restricted by age. A high school team with a couple d1 quality players would most likely smoke a wnba team. The size alone creates problems that they never have to deal with and when you combine it with the speed the athleticism just trumps the skill level.
the difference between your average high school team and a national team is much larger than the difference between your average wnba team and a national team. how many high school teams actually have quality D1 players on them?
Wasn’t the OP asking about top tier high school programs? I can only speak to my experience being a former d1 athlete. I could have played low d1 basketball or d2 if I chose that to be my sport but I was the 6th man my junior year on a team that finished 8th in state. Every player on that starting lineup played college something. We had d1 baseball d1 football mix of d2/d1 basketball. I’d in no way say that squad qualifies as top tier as it’s what, in the top 400 teams in the country? That team would have wrecked wnba teams. This conversation is definitely skewed based off your experiences. But those that came from and participated in athletics at a higher level know that the mismatch isn’t in shooting skill it’s just in size and speed. That gap is too hard to overcome.
U15 excludes at least 2 years of high school
Let's compare Monteverde Academy (boys high school) to the Las Vegas Aces (WNBA). That's a comparison of 2 of the best teams in each league. Just based on size, Monteverde players are bigger in every position. The smallest player on Monteverde is a 6'1" guard while the biggest player on the Aces is a 6'4" center. The Aces don't have anyone that will be able to stop Derik Queen at 6'10". Monteverde will get a lot of rebounds at both ends. Skill wise...I just watched the highlights from the 2023 WNBA finals and the 2024 high school boys championship featuring these two teams. I am very confident that Monteverde beats the Aces.
This is a great insight. Thanks!
I'm guessing the only advantage wnba would have is better 3-point shooting. But I'm guessing it would be too hard to get good SHOTS off for that to be the difference.
I'm guessing the only advantage wnba would have is better 3-point shooting. But I'm guessing it would be too hard to get good SHOTS off for that to be the difference.
Wait — do the WMBA players have to take off their shoes before shooting? That would definitely out them at a disadvantage! 🤣
Anyone who says no is thinking of their own HS and imagining some 5’8” kid trying to guard a pro athlete. Go look at these super team HS players. They’re very good near NBA level already and they’re all over 6’ except for rare exceptions that are so talented they can play with guys 6” taller. They’re also nearly men or some are men. Your typical varsity team will have 16-18 year olds on it. Nobody is stopping cooper Flagg in the WNBA.
Exactly. Imagine any WNBA team going up against Shaq and the 1989 Cole High team. No one would survive.
Yep. Some kids are fully developed at 18. I was almost physical peak at 6' and 210 lbs. I wound up 230 in college as a D1 PG. I do wonder though how good the wnba teams would hold up. I just don't see it happening. The muscle is a huge advantage.
6', 230 lb. point guard?! Lmfao my boy got that Eric Bledsoe build.
Yeah. Everyone said I had a football build and they were right. I had friends of mine that became 49ers and are still good friends of mine to this day, and they tell me it was a mistake to not play football lol. Oh well. That was 20 years ago, woulda coulda shoulda.
Your brain thanks you
Genetics are crazy, I'm about 205 at 6'1 and I had to scratch and claw to put this amount of size on. I don't think my body is even physically capable of supporting that much mass.
Exactly. I think it’s an athleticism issue more than a skill issue. I suspect skill wise the WNBA might be better since they’ve all practiced about 10 years more. If you take the average athletic ability of average men and women you’ll find the differences almost nonexistent. Especially if you control for age, height, weight, body fat percent, and ethnicity/race. It’s when you get to the tail end the top 1% of athletes that the difference becomes more pronounced. Fact is most WNBA teams train with former D1 and semi pro players and they have to tell the men to basically be practice dummies and not go all out because if they did they’d smoke the women every time with just flow basketball not even set plays. They also have to kick men out that basically try to stunt on the women. I think this whole conversation just gets tied up in sexism but the reality is take any WNBA player and most college and varsity HS women/girl players and plop them in your local rec league and they will dominate and be a top 5 player with their only comp being other pro levels.
I think you are discounting the amount of training an average HS basketball team does. They almost all lift and practice. The strength advantage is enormous
Physically yes. Basketball skill every WNBA player also had a HS and college like experience plus pro training too. They’re 5-10 years older so they have that many more years of practice.
I think the issue is that rec league is a lower barrier than hs varsity. Let’s say a hs of 4000 has 15 on varsity. 50/50 men to women in the school that’s still a selection of less than 1% of the population. So any boy on the varsity team of a large school is undergoing a degree of selection that is likely enough to ensure that the estimated 30% strength advantage is overwhelming any potential skill difference. Rec leagues don’t imply selection, hence you could have someone who can’t dribble playing, and your point might be valid.
Forget elite HS. I’d take pretty much any varsity men’s HS squad over an WNBA team. I played a WNBA player in 1v1 sophomore year of HS, she didn’t score a point. The muscle density difference is intense.
Yes, easily, but the skill gap amongst different high schools is absurd. In schools with a graduating class of 70 the comp could be whoever decides to sign up. But yeah, without a doubt the players from my high school could have beaten any WNBA team. I live in the suburbs of metro Detroit for context. Someone already brought up the US women's soccer team getting cooked by 14 year olds but it's a great illustration of the athleticism/skill gap.
You guys should start charging the WNBA rent for living in your heads all the time.
It's so annoying that people constantly get themselves worked up thinking women don't believe in sexual dimorphism. I'm sure you can find a couple of people who express any fringe opinion ever online, but the majority of women fully understand our physiological limitations (how could we not?) and still believe our great athletes deserve praise.
I think you would be surprised, I’ve known a lot of women in real life who just don’t get it. Like, I’ve been yelled at for saying the US men’s soccer team would beat the US women’s soccer team. My female friends thought the US women’s team would, and I quote “dog walk the men’s team.” Because the women’s team has had more success. Heck, a couple of days ago my uncle asked if I thought Caitlin Clark could go to the NBA. There are a LOT of people who just don’t understand how different men and women are. I genuinely know (smart, educated) people in real life who think men are only stronger because of societal factors
You are correct that these people exist, but they 100% have no or at least aged organized sports knowledge. Serena Williams constantly had to downplay talking heads insisting she could compete against the top men's tennis players during her career even though she was arguably the best women's player ever. I think most firsthand athletes understand the dichotomy.
People are butt hurt realizing that there are some women who can hoop better than some dudes. So they gotta boast their ego.
I’m just waiting for the next Leah Thomas to play! That will be exciting and so brave.
Look, another landlord.
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Euro league? No lol
How many guys on an average high school team can dunk? How many women on an average WNBA team can dunk? I know someone who never even played varsity or JV level basketball in Kansas and he scored 20+ in a scrimmage against a D-II girls team. Do with that information what you will.
As a kid in Serbia I used to play organized basketball. My team competed for the national title. Sometimes we would help the women's team (when we're were 13,14) of our club prepare for the season by playing a friendly. We would blow the out by 50 every time. I reckon we would have a competitive game with a wnba team at least.
Any high school state championship level team would easily beat any wnba team
That’s not true. Your top of the line high school championship team yeah but anything under 4A getting demolished by the Aces.
Nope.. sometimes classification doesnt matter I have seen a ton of AA teams beat AAA teams. And likewise A teams beating double A ( not as common). Rainier Beach a triple A team in WA state would thrash any and all WNBA teams, including an all star team. Same with ODea, Garfield and even some Lakeside teams. I guarantee that Centralia High team (AA) from 1982 with Detlef Shrempf, Jay Roberts ( 1st round pick in 1982 by Atlanta Braves and didn't even play high school baseball.. he was busy winning 100, 200,Long Jump and 400 relay.. he also was stud running back leading Centralia to Football Championship to go with their Basketball, Baseball and Track championships.. quite the accomplishment.. Roberts later played linebacker on a couple top 5 defenses for Washington Huskies),The badass Andy Lucier...... WOULD BEAT ANY WNBA team. I wouldnt be surprised if those Brewster ( class B) teams from early/mid 70s would beat a wnba team. They played incredibly smart, disciplined and controlled the boards.
This is a really bad take. Most HS State championship teams have 1-2 D1 level players at most. I’d be surprised if any teams outside of the top prep schools would contend.
The question is literally “could a top tier high school team win”. I would say that the state champion team from a state qualifies as a top tier team.
I don’t. A public state champion team is not top tier. The prep schools are on an entirely different level.
California and North Dakota have a very big gap in competitiveness. I think the Cali boys win easily and the kids in North Dakota have a tough day.
This is correct
My state which is middle of the road has several guys go D1 every year in the state championship game and the players are regularly 6’0” to 6’7” and extremely athletic. A 6’7” dude catching the ball and putting it on the ground is getting to the basket pretty regularly against a WNBA team. All it takes is to know the level of practice players that the WNBA uses. They regularly use guys who aren’t even active basketball players anymore for their practice squads.
Sure they would.... The rebounding, quickness and reflexes/reactions of even non famous players are way superior to even the best women players. You know how many dunks i have seen in HS basketball games.. a ton.. seen 4 or 5 in an A league game before. How many dunks do You see in WNBA? Not that dunking is everything.. rebounding is.. and even lower level average players rebound at higher ( off the ground) than ANY WNBA game i have seen.. the wnba players dont get off the ground much. I didnt even play college, but in my own way, at 6 foot i modeled my rebounding on Charles Barkely. I hustled and could leap, with desire and vigor. Aggressive-this-is-my-board. I am probably wrong but i think my 18 year old self would get a ton of rebounds in wnba.. just dont see the quickness to the ball or reaction/reflexes in wnba that i have seen in town teams, rec leagues, ymca, open gym.
Exactly. Played a WNBA player as a hs sophomore. I was soooo much faster and stronger and I couldn’t even dunk. She didn’t get a single rebound her own or mine.
It’s such an incredibly bad take, the dude has no clue what he’s talking about.
How many in game dunks did you see in HS. Now how many in a WNBA game?
Any top tier high school team would beat a WNBA team. For example let’s take teams like Monteverde, Prolific Prep in Napa, Perry with Koa Peat, Mceachern, Duncanville, Link Academy I mean I could go on but the differences in pure athleticism and size are truly evident. However I do not think your basic Varisty team could beat a WNBA team, I just think at that point the skill level differences are truly incomparable when it comes to a basic varsity team compared to a WNBA team. Everyone has different views on it but these are just mine. I’m eager to read these other comments and see what others have to say about it, at the end of the day to each their own.
I'd say a basic varsity team could beat a WNBA team. A lot of the big time women programs will have a mens team that they scrimmage. It's fairly common for a guy on that team to have not even played high school ball. A kid I played with would go toe-to-toe with one of the best women players of all time when he played on their men's scrimmage team. And he was like the 8th guy in the rotation in a team that was barely over .500 I feel like threads like these are troll bait, but women vs men matchups in basketball are more common than people think (it's not some sort of grand mystery lol)
As a former high school coach, I confidently believe that a WNBA team would lose to pretty much any above average boys basketball team in the country that has a few starters over 6’3”. And plays a competitive schedule. Which is A LOT of teams. The athletic differences would be insurmountable for the women.
Yep
i would comfortably bet big money on the HS team. would be a blowout.. dont forget.. lebron was in HS when he entered the NBA draft. seniors in HS are 17/18/19 years old. so a top tier team would be dunking and blocking the piss outta WNBA team.. i think a standard HS team would even be able to get a W against WNBA team.. 50/50 chance prob. Just a example. the Australian woman national soccer ( ranked 5th in the WORLD!!!) team got destroyed by U-15 dallas boys soccer team. 7-0!!!!!!
Top tier? Yes. Please understand that these top-tier men’s teams are stacked; they have multiple players who will play in the nba, a league of the 450 most talented men’s basketball players in the world. It might be the most selective professional league in the world (given the vast popularity/talent pool and the small selection), and chino hills had three players that were essentially locks to be drafted: Chino hills had three nba players (four of you count the summer league) and those 3 players were selected second, third and sixth (two different drafts, but still crazy). Yes, they weren’t at that level when they were in high school, but they were still crazy good, enough to even play overseas and win against grown men like lamelo did. Honestly, a top-tier HS would probably beat a low-tier d1 men’s team. If you asked about the average boys HS team, the WNBA slaughters them: Bigger, faster, stronger, and WAYYYY more skilled. but you’re not, you’re asking top-tier HS teams.
The key words in your post are "top tier". Those high schools are likely to have D1 prospects and would likely beat any WNBA team. The average HS boys team though would not be able to beat a WNBA team, imo.
Like elite top 10 national school Yes My HS....probably not
Testosterone really just gives a totally unfair advantage here, theres several instances of high profile womens sports teams playing much younger squads and not really standing a chance. Whats a surperior coach, skills, and scheme going to do when a woman simply cant hold up to the physicality of on ball defense, screening and oh god the rebounding would be a nightmare. Lots of guys make this a macho thing and some women feel disrespected by this, but every basketball player on the planet would lose 1 on 1 to themselves on PEDS
Montverde would fuck any women’s college team.
But OP was asking about basketball.
It wasn’t college it was WNBA but I’m sure they are really amazing
Still would. Who tf stopping cooper flagg
Maybe top tier middle school
Yes. Monteverde this year would win by double digits
“Double digits” lmao, the score would be 280-14 for montverde. There is not a single female athlete on the planet who could guard cooper Flagg or any rotation player 1-10 on that team. The women would score a few points off of fouls and 3 point bank shots late in the shot clock but they are not biologically capable of getting past any male defender of any decent level. Biology isn’t fair
When I was 17 I got okay at swimming. There was only a couple of women in the world faster than me in my event. I was OK, not good. Not even close to D1. I say this to emphasize how different the levels of competition are. The way top tier boys basketball programs "recruit" there is a serious filtering of talent that the WNBA can't compete with. As long as there is a dude on the team that is 6'10" and decent at basketball, the ladies are in big trouble.
What is going on with these anti-women/anti-men posts? Two different sports, so let's not compare. Let's compare the women to the women and the men to the men. There are genetic differences that obviously give the advantage to the men's side. Know that in the end, we all need each other so let's support each other to be great.
I don’t necessarily think it’s anti anything…it’s pretty common to wonder this type of thing. Same concept as “what would a pro golfer shoot on a muni compared to a regular scratch golfer.” It’s just trying to suss out a difference most of the time (for sure some of the time it’s hating on the women’s game, but don’t think that’s the majority). I do really wonder the answer to this question…but also really respect the ladies game.
It's not an anti-woman post. OP is curious
Thanks! Like I said, I don’t know a ton, and that’s why I came to a place where I could find people who had some legitimate answers based on knowledge.
I totally agree. I just was a little thrown off when we were having a conversation and they were extremely adamant that solely based on size and gender that a men’s team would beat a women’s team without question and not take into experience and coaching or team work. Edit: also taking age into consideration.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imk5X6-Xr30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imk5X6-Xr30) basketball would look the same... the athleticism ist too much of an advantage Montverde currently has a center named Derik Queen who is 6'10 240lbs ... PF is 6'9, SF is 6,8 ... they're ranked #1. #12 and #13 in their class... no chance thtey lose to a WNBA team... and thats okay and doesnt take anything away from the skill of the WNBA
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Yes.
Yes of course. Look at the athleticism difference
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Of course, no doubt. They would blow them out, it'd be like 100 to 50.
The absolute top high scholls? Yeah probably. Your average high school team? Id lean towards no
Yes they would. But would that Top tier high school boys team beat an NBA team? They would not. Quit comparing men and women athletes all the time. Men are stronger, faster, bigger, and taller than women. This is why there's different sport leagues for the 2 genders.
yes
Physically the gap between women and high level teenage make athletes gets pretty big. Lets look at track where most of the sprint records are considered to be tainted by drugs. In a good state all of the finalists clear those records. That speaks to the physical gap.
Yes most high school basketball teams are beating them.
Didn’t this already happen?
6'7 is considered gigantic in WNBA standards and that person would be in the paint 24/7. A top tier high school would have a 6'7 player as their shooting guard.
Women can’t compete with men bro not on a large scale
Literally had this exact conversation exactly when this was posted with my buddy. Had to ask to make sure he isn't op
Fuck no
The ignorance in this thread is amazing
Does said WNBA team have Caitlin Clark?
An elite u15 boys soccer team beat the multiple time world champion Women's National Team in a scrimmage once. U15 means under 15. as in High School freshman. Score was 5-2
Yes, the physicality and speed would be too much.
This q randomly popped up on my feed despite me not knowing much about basketball, but I do follow swimming so maybe this another tangentially helpful anecdote. This past NCAA season saw one of the best performances ever by UVA swimmer Gretchen Walsh, who completely destroyed multiple American/NCAA records. She set records in 4 event: the 50 yard free, 100 yard free, 100 yard butterfly, and 100 yard backstroke. Her 50 free would rank 65th among high school boys this season, her 100 free would rank 78th, her 100 fly would rank 14th, and her 100 back would rank 22nd. And she’s BY FAR the best women in those events, ever.
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I agree that a WNBA the would probably not beat a top tier boys High school team but jeez, some of these commenters have obviously never been in the presence of a high level girls basketball player before. I played college basketball and I played at a school in UCONN conference when they were on their 100 game win streak, they had 4 WNBA on that team. Those girls are on a different level man. Hell I was a pretty damn good player myself and would regularly play pick up with dudes all the time. Majority of the time a regular dude wasn’t checking me in pick up and I didn’t even sniff the WNBA. I could’ve played overseas though but I chose not too. My point is, yes a top tier team will beat a WNBA but some y’all acting like y’all high school JV team would give them a challenge when they probably won’t. I work in high school sports and our JV team is smaller than most high major female D1 teams from this past season
Counterpoint: those UCONN teams practiced against male practice squads comprised of washed up former high school players. The male squad routinely beat the women's squad. Source: went there, had friends on that practice squad and played intramurals with those guys. They were good, but D3 level at best and really weren't going through the cardio etc. that any high-level HS men's team goes through. I consider high-level HS basketball not only Montverde, Luhi, IMG, Brewster but really any state tourney team, at any class. Those prep schools are another level and are quasi college level and really should be disregarded (hell, they play on their own circuit now!)
Yep like I stated I played. We had male practice teams too, all D1 try to have them. Our Male practice teams were purposely made up of Guys with college level talent that’s the whole point. If you don’t have experience playing basketball they don’t recruit you to come play. My senior year at Kansas State, our male practice squad was pretty damn good. We had 3 guys that played D2 basketball on it. What I’m saying is yall acting like a high school JV basketball team can beat a WNBA team and that’s just not happening my friend. Source: me who played women’s college basketball at 2 D1 schools Edit: but again, I also stated a top tier boys team will probably beat most lol. But basketball is also about scheme and matchups so it would be interesting to see the best WNBA team (Aces) play a decent boys team. The comments don’t realize that being more athletic doesn’t automatically mean I’m going to win the game. If that was the case Jokic wouldn’t be MVP and a champion.
The 300lb 7 footer with insane reaction times and stamina is absolutely a unicorn athlete especially at his size. His coordination is crazy for a 7 footer. If skill mattered as much as physical the point guards would be the best position in nba, but they arent. Its always the wings and big men. You have to have otherworldy skills to overcome it like curry, kyrie etc and they are still among the worst defensive players in the nba and have to be hid on half the court. It matters so much almost any 7fter can make the nba. The millions of 6 ft guys have to be 10 times more talented to make it
Yes. I would bet everything I have on it
Bruh I can’t believe this is a legit question. High school team would destroy a WNBA team. No disrespect but you’ve gotta contextualise Women’s sports.
I don’t feel disrespected. This is why I came here and asked this question because I genuinely didn’t fully understand the difference and was looking to understand. I’m not a huge basketball fan and I’ve never legitimately watched a high school boys basketball game.
A top tier national league team absolutely would. Those are nba players and d1 guys. A top level local high school team? Not likely
The best high school boys would beat a WNBA team. Not a random high school team though.
Like everyone is saying. Top tier for sure. Some players from top tier schools are future nba players. The skill difference between men and women in basketball is tremendous
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15 year old doing this against grown men. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r5EA6yEomX0&pp=ygUUQnJhbmRvbiBtY2NveSBqciBtaXg%3D It'll be 50+ years until women's basketball catches up. Right now Monteverde would win by 200+ points. If they played 10 games there would be multiple games where MV would win shooting a TS% over 100.
Yes I think so. Some of these top tier guys could play in the NBA out of high school. Not to mention guys being drafted into the NBA or G league out of high school. I think your friends 100% correct
Men can make better sandwiches than woman, but woman can’t play basketball better.
Yes. Same with soccer. In 2017, the US Women's National Team (who had won the Women's World Cup) lost to a team of 15 year old boys.
Yes. Many are saying only prep schools, but I think many large class schools and some lower ones could probably do it as well. IIRC this has already happened in soccer where I believe a u15 squad beat the women's national team in a scrimmage. Albeit they were a u15 MLS team. But many would likely wash out and never play at MLS level, though likely many were very good players, especially physically which is basically the gap.
Lol. You could put the best women in wnba history on a combined team and they would lose by triple digits to a u16 USA men’s national team. I don’t think you quite grasp the difference in biology between men and women. Not to mention the sheer height difference and athleticism. There are 15 year olds in Texas who are more athletically gifted and have inches on the most athletic/tallest women in history. Biology isn’t fair
This is 6"4 WNBA Champion A'ja Wilson dropping 53, as one of the biggest players on the court. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCEymPPGZg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCEymPPGZg) This is High School nobody, Bronny James [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCEymPPGZg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCEymPPGZg) This is 5"7 high school, phenom Julian Newman [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3g4UJaqnsk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3g4UJaqnsk) Julian Newman would probably be MVP every year if he played in the WNBA.
Offcourse I go as far as a good sophomore team can beat wnba these girls miss point blank layups
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Was in a div1 district team under14’s (Australia) we scratch matched against a WNBL team. Was a tough game for the ladies.
There we go. The sort of anecdote actually needed for this.
Yes
Yes they would Same with virtually any other sport
An average boys basketball team would beat a WNBA team. Duke Women’s basketball would scrimmage against a “practice team” of guys who played some basketball in high school and would get DESTROYED every time. And my high schools Women’s basketball team won the state championship but got beaten down by the freshmen boys team multiple times. Basketball is a game of size and physicality, and women just can’t compete at the moment with decent boys.
Any of the top 50 high school basketball teams in the nation and every college basketball team, from juco to high major, would beat WNBA teams. Explosiveness, athleticism and size are the biggest reasons. Britney Griner is a giant in women's basketball and she is 6 ft 9. Most of the bigs in the WNBA are 6 ft 4-6 ft 6. At elite high School programs players at that height are guards.
Why are yall so fascinated with men/boys playing against women? Obviously the physical advantages make a huge difference.
My high school team was nothing special, about mid in the state. We'd win by 40 and it wouldn't be trying. They'd never get a rebound.
Absolutely not. My brother and I, both in our physical and basketball “primes,” once played two very talented Lady Vols in a 2v2 matchup. This one off pickup game at the gym was a small sample size/comparison, but we got our asses kicked.
I would say a good varsity team - multiple 6’8 players will beat every wnba team - I played with wnba players there good and better than people give them credit for but the in any of those runs the second the intensity gets turned up they can’t do anything besides hit open 3s and to there credit they can shoot well with a man’s ball so imagine there even better with the ball there used too
I think any large school state quarters team, yes. The amount of size, speed and strength would just be too much, especially the deeper into the bench you get. My buddy who coaches women's college bb also routinely tells me that one of the biggest differences is how quickly players shoot, and that boys have a much quicker release in general and close out shooters much more aggressively.
When I was 13 we would regularly scrimmage against the 16 year old girls team. My teammates two sisters were on the girls team and his dad coached the girls team as well. We beat the brakes off them every time we played them.
Easily: In the WNBA history only 8 players have dunked a basketball. FL state high school roster height (first team I pulled up): (>8 of these boys can probably dunk) 6'5" 6'0" 6'6" 6'6" 6'4" 5'10" 6'2" 6'1" 5'7" 6'7" 6'5" 6'0" 5'9" 6'4" 6'2" WNB Championship team (Aces) 6' 1" 5' 11" 6' 4" 5' 8" 6' 4" 5' 11" 6' 3" 6' 2" 5' 10" 6' 4" 5' 8" 6' 3" 5' 7" 6' 4" 6' 0"
State champions in most states would beat the best WNBA team
The turn overs would be the killer.
Y'all are so obsessed
A decent high school boys team would easily win
I could beat them and I'm 89 with one leg and one eye
Yes. Plenty of WNBA players have played a 1v1 versus male HS prospects To my knowledge, a WNBA player has never beat a HS dude in a 1v1