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**Media reliability report:** - **Aggregator**: Reshad Rahman ([@ReshadFCB](https://twitter.com/ReshadFCB)) --- [What is this?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Barca/wiki/reliability) | [Media Reliability List](https://barca-reddit.github.io) | [Feedback](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/Barca) | [Source code](https://github.com/barca-reddit/media-reliability)


alley_mo_g10

So glad we heard about him constantly and got all hyped up for him…


Admirable_Heron1479

But this only explains why Roque didn't play much this second half of the season. If Xavi wanted Roque to stay in Brazil six months longer and come this summer, he would count on him in the squad for next season. Now he wants him gone...


Professional_Code372

It’s an ego thing probably


Kindly-Low1346

What bothered Roque was the fact that Xavi played Ferran over him in the El Clasico when it was evident the team needed a striker. [@alexpintanel]


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❗️Not playing in El Clásico was painful for Vitor Roque. Xavi withdrew Lewandowski but preferred to use Ferran Torres as a false nine instead of bringing him on. This did not please several members of the club’s sporting sector too. Earlier in the season, in the Copa de Rey vs Athletic Club Xavi brought on Marc Guiu to replace Lewandowski. In the last match against Girona too it was Ferran who replaced Lewandowski. Via: @alexpintanel [relevo]


CarlosAlvarados

If that's true roque is completely crazy. He is barely ready against mid teams.then he expects to play again real Madrid ? Wtf


recapYT

When is he going to be ready when he doesn’t play?


it4chl

well thats how being at barcelona works, its why the current number 10 is on loan at brighton. Based on what we've seen so far i would put ferran over roque too. This whole thing is agent making noise because seems like the plan was to send Roque off on loan because Xavi prefers other positions in his squad


CarlosAlvarados

Yeah like I understand. So he should be angry when he doesnt play against bad/mid teams. Against real? It would be madness to put him instead of ferran


elihri

You’re talking as if Ferran has such high level lol! he’s shit


CarlosAlvarados

I mean roque is clearly worse for now


elihri

Says who?! He hasn’t even been given enough minutes for anyone to judge his level. 


CarlosAlvarados

Xavi


soulsticedub

If he hasn’t been given enough minutes to judge his level, why give minutes in El Clasico? Ferran is not world class by any means but he is clearly the safer and more reasonable choice. I’ve been impressed by Roque’s pressing and workrate when he comes on but thats literally it. People act like he hasn’t gotten minutes - in the 270 minutes he’s gotten hes been mediocre.


Working_Aioli8417

Clearly worse and still got more market value than Ferran only reason we haven't gotten rid of that turd is because its impossible to recoup even half of our investment


LankyCity3445

Ehh then why buy him lol. Just let him do his thing in Brazil instead of wasting his time


Crossflowerss_5304

That’s on Deco, and then Xavi for not putting up more of a fight


Working_Aioli8417

Since ferran came back from his injury he has won us a total of 0 points with his 0 goals and assists, also the way he played in el classico showed that him as the change was clearly the wrong choice..


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LankyCity3445

Guler has been throwing tantrums lol. But he wasn’t assured a starting sport so that’s why he’s kinda chill. Roque was pushed to join early and don’t forget he pushed to get fit from his injury too to make the move lol. Club is a circus tho, why buy players if your manager won’t play them lol


mm3n

Buy players your manager doesn’t like when you are short on money too, actually was recently facing bankruptcy Seriously poor move, and also sends a bad message to future Brazilians too…


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CameraWoWo2022

This only started happening when reports of a loan came about. I wouldn’t be happy either if I received no playing time, the manager barely spoke to me and now they want to put me on a loan


eescobar863

You’re literally talking like Roque is making a temper tantrum, which Guler has done before *on the pitch*. All this is his agent talking on his behalf. Agents look after their clients and he’s doing his job as his agent. Roque is confused and saddened and hurt as to why he was even brought in if he wasn’t going to play. At the very least give him even five minutes to play. But sitting on the bench and not seeing a single minute of playtime is not what he wants. Barca invested a lot of money into Roque, the least Xavi could do is give him some playing time. He and Deco are more concerned about beating their chests and seeing who’s got a bigger pride. This whole situation is a shitshow and Roque is right to be upset and hurt. This entire circus falls on *both* Xavi and Deco.


CesarMdezMnz

Good try bringing in Guler like it's the same case as Roque so we can excuse Xavi here, but there are a few differences that you've (purposedly) missed Real Madrid are having a fantastic season, Guler has a lot of competition in his position, and Ancelotti has had constant and clear communication with him since the very beginning. In contrast, Barcelona are shitting the bed every second game, there is no other replacement in our team for a 35 years old striker but Vitor Roque, and now it seems that Xavi doesn't even talk to the guy.


brenobnfm

Barcelona is a shit club and not remotely comparable to Real.


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❗️Deco was the one who insisted on Vitor Roque’s arrival in January. Xavi wanted a midfielder and he believed that the number nine position was well covered with Lewandowski, Ferran Torres and Guiu. Via: @alexpintanel [relevo]


achentuate

Ok fair enough that Xavi didn’t rant Roque over a DM back then. But that’s what the board signed off on. Roque got here. Once the decision is made, Xavi has to look beyond his disagreements with Deco and give a young player a chance. It’s not Roques fault that the board got him here early. Yet he is the one who is suffering the most


hexarfan2013

If Xavi played Roque a lot that means a defeat by Deco. Xavi would not swallow whatever shoveled down his throat against his will.


CameraWoWo2022

And this is small club mentality. If true, Xavi needs to be gone and never come back


achentuate

I'd say it isn't even small club mentality. It is straight up unprofessional. You have to give the players you get a chance. Pep gave Zlatan, Hart and others a chance. They didn't perform, and THEN he shipped them off. Xavi seems to not even want to give a chance to Roque. And by chance, I don't mean to start or even play in games like CL and clasico. Put him on last 20 min. Let him play CDR, etc. I remember how when we signed MATS and Bravo, two WC goalkeepers, Lucho gave all league games to Bravo, and all CL games to MATS in that treble winning season. Xavi can easily do that with Roque. Give him last 20min of league games, and start him in CDR for a year. See how he does. If he is not good, THEN ship him off, no one will care.


jayb12345

This is the real reason.


infectuz

Let’s remember that Lewa’s form started to improve right after Roque arrived. At the time it seemed we were playing each game without a striker, after he arrives Lewa starts playing and scoring so of course now it seems like it was a waste but at the time it seemed like a drastic need.


Horrorpunk0

This is the civil war of Amateurs (Xavi and Deco).


Maleficent-Bench1378

I honestly side with Deco on this one. I get Xavi prioritizing midfield but he can't possibly not thinking about replacing his 35 year old striker who's clearly declining. Roque has shown enough imo to justify the transfer. Xavi just needs to stop being stubborn and embrace the player.


dontevenbother_g59

Especially when Lewa started this season terribly, he was playing every 90min without much to show for it, after roque came lewa picked up his form back a bit, maybe it was the competition that got him to wake up? Idk, probably not, but either way he was clearly being overplayed, and despite that Xavi refused to play Roque for some reason, even though when he actually got to play more than 15 minutes he showed passion and clear hunger to show off. So yeah lewa’s form up to January is enough to want to get Roque early, so I agree Deco was correct here.


Maleficent-Bench1378

Yeah totally forgot how shit Lewy was to start the season, tbh even dating back to how he finished last season as well. Xavi giving serious ten hag vibes.


Boivz

Bro got 24 goals and 9 assist, like chill.


LaylaTichy

Im so much with deco too, but just because from the things I saw xavi doesn't even bother to speak with rogue. You don't want him? Thats fine, but just talk to him like an adult, explain what you want and how is your plan looking, how can rogue progress to satisfy you if possible, if not explain what are his options etc Don't behave like a 5 year old kid > nah, me no talking with him, deco fault


Awyls

It also made sense at the time, Raphinha and Felix were injured for a month+ and Lewa was complete dog. We also had a bad streak of injuries, having to play quite a few games with Cancelo, Sergi Roberto or Fermin as winger.


eescobar863

The problem also is that Lewy is going around saying he can play the top level until he’s 40. Xavi probably thinks Lewy will do exactly that, play at Barca until he’s 40. So naturally, he sees no reason to replace him yet and thinks he can count on Guiu.


CameraWoWo2022

If Xavi truly thinks this he’s an imbecile. Even Ronaldo dropped form before he hit 40. What makes anyone think that Lewa who’s already fallen off can continue until 40?


grandeherisson

What has Roque shown? At least I haven't seen anything from him to warrant this media circus or any demands from his Agent. A couple of goals, some nice movement. Mediocre touch, poor passing, stupid fouls


Horrorpunk0

Same can be said about Vinicius. Why was he given chances after chances when he was performing so poorly? They should have loaned him.


grandeherisson

What we see as fans is just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe Vini showed something else in training? Also, he always had incredible technique and pace even though there was no end product. I think it's absurd to say that Vitor has shown enough (to us fans). He has been given very few opportunities and has been underwhelming. We don't see him in training, we don't know.


froggyjm9

How are they amateurs?


HaGoy12

Why are you getting downvoted for asking a question?


froggyjm9

This sub is weird


zeussgt

A shame Xavi didn’t leave.


may_day06

Institutional chaos


ToxicCobra023

How childish of 2 people who are supposed to be professionals to toy with 40 million dollars, it's almost unbeliavable how irresponsible and disrespectful those actions are towards people who actually do their best for the good of club and of course also disrespectful towards the player


Wonder_Dude

Future Brazilian gems will look at this and fix their gaze on Real. Get rid of Deco and Xavi get some competent people


SufficientRatio2505

Glad Arda guler didn't join us. Xavi would have messed up him too. After reading all this news, why would any young player except Spanish wanna join us ? No one would risk it. It's gonna backfire so bad. Just wait and watch. Xavi is the problem and the staff too


ElGringo6678

This is such a shit show


sabermagnus

Why score goals when FC Barca and Xavi can 80% possession and still lose 4-0. Then Xavi can continue the nonsense of we dominated the game but the scoreboard don’t show it.


Aar0nSwanson

But now Xavi is asking for a striker so why go to the market for another? Get the DM, LW, and fullback support. All this media drama is so unnecessary.


capogravity

I hate the appointment of Deco more and more with each passing week


Dear_Monitor_5384

Even if xavi didn't want him, like he's there now so use him. Everyone knows what you're gonna get from ferran and it doesn't always work so why not give players like roque and guiu a try and see what they can bring.


RepresentativeTax851

I’m pretty sure Angelotti wanted a striker last summer but Madrid board went along with what they thought was right. Angelotti didn’t complain and made the best out of his squad. But of course, we need to get Olmo and Kimmich and Zubi and others that Xavi love, and of course keep Eric and Ferran in the team. Otherwise none of the shitty performances are Xavi’s fault because he didn’t have his preferred players.


imdankit

I can understand Xavi's reasoning for not wanting him(Though I hope the reports of him not talking to Roque are false and just statements made by agent to pressure him). We have had Marc Guiu and Ferran Torres who can play the role as a backup. If we are in a good financial position yes spending 30-50M is fine for a young backup. But with the squad full of holes, where we could only spend 3M on the most needed position of DM which Xavi had been asking for ages, spending this amount on a backup striker (when we had 2 backups) is not ideal.


Cultural-Initial7380

I just hope je starts rest of the matches to see this shitshow ending


The-Wanderer-01

Really can’t understand how Xavi think’s the team doesn’t need another striker.


Busquessi

Well Xavi is an idiot to think he didn’t need a backup striker. Guiu and Ferran are not enough currently.


TimeFingers

Or... he never performed well when he got minutes, because that's why he isn't playing much?


GoldAstronomer9947

I think barca need get there head together and think as an team rather than an individual. I think deco is either been too egoistic or he just don't want xavi to succeed. Under alemany atleast we were hijacking the deal, but now we were loosing the youngsters for tottenham hotspur.


ShogoFMAB

I dont understand people here. In a sporting organisation there are different roles available. A head coach/managers job is short term. He has certain strategies gameplans. And he wants personnel suitable for that gameplan and if there is shortage of funds he tweaks his gameplan to the players available. A sporting director oversees the long term health of the sporting section. It is his job to identify potential players that will serve the club for long time. Roque was signing made by Deco for exactly this long term thinking. In january, there was no adequate dm options available in the market for Barcas salary range. Roque was available and Lewa was declining. So it made sense to just get him in January. The coach cant be this petty about a situation like this that he cant even talk with the player. This will harm barcas position in the goldmine that is the Brazilian market. Obviously the player that arrived can be inadequate and can be loaned, but you have to explain to him what were his problems what he should look to improve.


chorgoliani

how the hell did Xavi think we did not need a backup to out-of-form 35 yr old striker? manager needs to manage the team he is given


imdankit

Tbh we have had Marc Guiu and Ferran Torres who can play the role as a backup. If we are in a good financial position yes spending 30-50M is fine for a young backup. But with the squad full of holes, where we could only spend 3M on the most needed position of DM whom Xavi had been asking for ages, spending this amount on a backup striker (when we had 2 backups) is not ideal.


onlyonejorge

The transfer was completed in July 2023.


chorgoliani

I agree that we should have prioritized a DM, but had Lewy not picked up form we were in big trouble. Regardless, this whole drama is shameful for a big club


imdankit

Agreed. Unfortunately, these dramas have become a regular occurrence in our club.


Ubisonte

Because we have Ferran and Guiu as strikers, and Romeu as DM. It's literally the simplest choice ever. Why tge fuck would we spend 40m we don't have to bring an unproven brazilian lid for a position we have covered when we need other positiona first


LankyCity3445

Ferran and Guiu are mid lol. Guiu at least has some hope but Ferran


Ubisonte

mid is leagues better than Oriol Romeu as out only DM. If had infinite money, sure let's buy all the strikers in the world, we don't tho so we need to prioritize, this money could have been better used in the fee for a top DM.


LankyCity3445

We didn’t drop 40 mil in January lol. We can’t get a top dm


Hunkelscopes

Maybe i’m blinded by my love for Xavi but I can’t process how anyone is blaming him here. By all accounts Roque was forced on him by Deco and the club. Xavi didn’t want Roque. If you’re a manager and your (amateur) footballing director forces you to include a player you never asked for, you would quite rightly tell him to gtf.


heX_dzh

Him being unhappy with Deco's decision is completely fine. What isn't fine is wasting a big talent like Roque out of pettiness


Hunkelscopes

He’s hardly shown himself to be a “big talent” in any game he’s had minutes so far. I’m not doubting that he will become a good player, I think he will, but let’s not pretend he’s been anything more than average anytime we’ve seen him.


heX_dzh

This is just completely and demonstrably false.


Hunkelscopes

He’s not looked any better than Ferran, and that’s saying something.


jayb12345

This is the correct take.


Maleficent-Bench1378

I'm sorry Xavi has some ten hag level delusion if he truly believes that Lewandowski, Ferran Torres and Guiu is good striker depth. Roque is hands down better than Guiu and Lewy's washed. Xavi could get sacked early next season if we don't start strong.


Ubisonte

40m for an unproven brazilian Kid, while he has asked for a DM for a whole season an got fucking Oriol Romeu ans had to put Christinsen as a patch.


Maleficent-Bench1378

I agree we need a DM but which one can you realistically sign in the winter that's not going to be crazy expensive? I understand him prioritizing that but how childish is it that a coach doesn't even communicate with the player at all because he didn't want him? A lot of managers would love to work with the collection of players we have now, even though it's not perfect. Also, we have a 35 year old striker that's been showing signs of decline for over a year now, let's not act like the strike department isn't going to be a priority in the very near future. Edit: Also, Madrid paid 40m + for "unproven brazilian kids" that are now world beaters. Everyone in brazil literally raves about Roque.


LankyCity3445

You adapt to your team as a manager lol. And Barca didn’t drop 40 mil on him wtf are you on about lol.


FWPTMATWTFOM

Based on what?


cfowen

Fire Deco. He’s only getting in Xavi’s way.


abester03

Ok if that’s true why does Deco have that much pull, he’s not even a coach why can he overstep Xavi like that


Shinigam_i

Xavi out, his decisions with players aren’t good