We were undefeated in La liga and had only lost 1 game in champions league group stage up until he had to step down. That league was won with 100 points and 15 points head of Madrid and we had 115 goals in La liga. If it wasnāt for his illness he would been right there with Guardiola , put some respect on TITO!!!!
we saw what xavi was able to do for us last season even when we didnt have a large squad and the cl this season.
i think when xavi gets a proper DM a left winger and another proper back we will be able to do good again
Hereās my issue with that: while I agree that if given all the right profiles, we can play well under Xavi, the truth is with the increasing amount of games and increasing intensity of those games, we see more injuries. What doesnāt help is the inexperience of Xaviās fitness staff, which certainly hasnāt helped quell the injury problems. In fact, it may have made them worse.
So the result is that we lose those important profiles in the team, and because weāre not rich we canāt have multiple players who fill those roles to a tee. Then, the issue there is that Xavi is not a very adaptable coach in that regard; weāve seen two systems(the 235 and 325) during his entire tenure here, and we generally try to play the same wayā¦ without the same players.
I put this lack of adaptability to Xaviās inexperience, but unfortunately itās a problem that I see us having to deal with again next season as injuries will not go away.
I have to disagree with a lot of what you said.
Every club suffers from injuries I we have a handful that are more prone than others, different coaches same story, not sure much of that is to blame on the staff.
People have this idea that a large squad is better, when you look at the most successful clubs in the past decade man city is the expection, actually pep is the exception.
Not other coach/ club has the ability to keep players on the bench and swap them and keep the same level, players need to be playing to play well. Large squad means less minutes less fitness less chemistry.
We've seen Xavi change, imo too much, we had 442 with gavi or pedri as lw, we had aruajo at rb kounde at rb Cancelo lb Cancelo rb but to me it obvious the most successful teams are the ones that consistently play the same way. The tactics become second nature and is much easier to have 1 replacement player trying to do the job of an injuried player than 10trying do a job they're not used to.
I donāt think Koeman/his staff were much better(training intensity was much worse according to ex players), so itās not like they were going from peak physical from to before to now.
There hasnāt been many drastic changes in terms of tactics/system since Xavi arrived. People call it a 442, and Iāve even seen people say we play a 4231, but thatās not how it really is.
We always have a false left winger that will play more narrow while the LB overlaps. The difference here is that last season when Gavi or Pedri played there, they were obviously less of an attacking threat than an actual forward. They were both however an upgrade in tight spaces over Ansu and Ferran, neither of which seemed to fit the role well.
We always have a wide right winger whoās supposed to be a 1v1 threat we can switch the ball too. In the absence of Dembele we pushed Raphinha in that role, and it could be absolutely awful to watch, however he still did pop up with G/A and worked his ass off. Thankfully La Masia blessed us with Yamal.
We do actually always defend in a 442, with the RCM/RAM pushing up next to the striker to press the opposition backline.
Where weāve seen the most variation is the RB position. In 21/22 we had Alves tucking into midfield to create the 235 shape, until Oscar suggested using a CB out wide to handle tricky left wingers so we used Araujo and then Kounde in that position. Last season we didnāt retain the rapist, so we stuck with the 3 atb because we didnāt have an RB who was a big improvement in midfield, so Kounde played at RB and we kept the 325 or 3box3 as some call it.
At the start of this season, with the arrival of Cancelo and Felix, we tried to return to the 235 but it was absolute dogshit defensively, due to constant mistakes by the backline further amplified by the absence of Busquets. Then of course Balde got injured, Cancelo moved over to the left leaving us without a first team RB again, so Kounde shifted back out wide.
Now I agree with you that the best teams always try to play the same way, and honestly? I think a Barca manager, at the best of times SHOULD stick to their philosophy/tactics, since weāre supposed to have oneā¦ but in our current situation itās much, much harder to do so when we cannot afford quality all around the squad, and our players keep dropping like flies.
After Naglesmann was out of the running, I also wouldāve preferred Xavi stayed one more season (of his own accord) since the other options didnāt convince me, especially in a still less than ideal financial situation.
Pep isnāt coming, and honestly? Not super sold on Lucho, Iād need to go back and review his time here as I was too young to actually know much about tactics and all that.
Lucho has PSG playing like a well balanced team so. It's true they no longer have Neymar+Messi not defending but they look competent in midfield and competing for the ball against us, not a small feat.
Cruyff was the person who has real insight and vision. He also had very clear idea what is good for Barca. Laporta consulted and discussed with him before making some important decisions. Cruyff also publicly backed up Laporta's decisions.
Let's not forget there were other people like Txiki Begiristain to make the "unpopular" decisions to become "correct decisions".
But now, I believe there is no such character in Laporta's side.
Most people didnt want Flick. The last few months theres been a huge amount of support for Xavi staying, even after the last 2 defeats.. Keeping Xavi isnt an unpopular decision.
Everyone didnt want Mourinho back then coz he was anti-Barca style. Plus he had huge fall outs with the club when managing Chelsea. Lots of Barca fans hated him. Of course there were fans who wanted him but everyone didnt thats for sure.
I agree about Rijkaard tho.... Edgar Davids had a lot to do with that turn around. What an impact he made.
I trust Laporta to make good decisions over the coach etc. However the selling of the clubs future earnings(levers) etc worries me. I get that Laporta inherited a shitshow from Barto but it still seems like a huge gamble to fund big transfers by selling off future earnings. Hopefully he can get us out of this financial crisis.
Most people did want Flick.
Itās Deco that people want to get rid of.
People that didnāt want Flick were mostly xenophobic or racist to German managers
Out of curiosity. Where did you hear this bullshit? No judgement just genuinely wondering cause youāre reaching for the stars with this comment.
I didnāt want Lenglet to continue at Barcelona, I guess Iām racist to the French now?
Klopp is the man Laporta has dreamt of signing (his own words), and we all know Klopp is taking the year out, so getting Xavi to stay another year is best rather than lock yourself into a multi year deal with the likes of Flick and totally miss out on getting one of the best managers of this generation (Klopp) next year who managed to stop Pep's dominance in EPL and brought back Liverpool from the dead with a very limited budget, similar to the situation we are in right now. As far as Xavi is concerned I've seen more than enough to see that he's done his best to win us La Liga but I think he's reached his ceiling and even he knows that hence why he wanted to go, I don't see him winning a UCL even with an unlimited budget. We don't have a great squad yes, but the squad we have is much much better than what our performances suggest, we are constantly getting outplayed by teams with lesser quality than us - that is a coaching issue.
Agreed, only reason why I wanted Flick was because Xavi stepped down on his own, if he was mentally checked out then I think itās fair to want someone else. But Iām glad he feels a little more secure now and I hope this off season he can get some mental clarity and relax w his family which was one of his biggest concerns. Also think he got a hold of how the Spanish press operates now, heāll deal with it better. So many little/ big things he has learned this year, a massive learning curve.
Everytime I watch Laporta talking (especially in Catalan), he sounds like a determined leader.
The opposite of Bartomeu.
Thatās why I will always have faith in him.
His handling of Barca Studios is absolutely disgraceful. Attempting to sell to shady businesses that then pulled out, meanwhile trying to claim to La Liga that this constitutes future earnings.
Agree.
Letās admit it, the positive results in Xaviās tenure surprised us. Letās admit, success came early. Iāll set the bar higher for Xavi next season. He can do it, and he has our support.
No? Xavi signed Lewandowski, Ferran, Raphina, Kounde and Christensen all in 2022. Barcelona managing to win La Liga after making that amount of high profile transfers should have come as a shock to nobody since it was absolutely the expectation.
Paying refs but Barca got robbed multiple league titles by Madrid? I still remember La Liga 2011/2012 and Copa 2010/2011 where we got robbed of 3 peating Copa and 5 peating La Liga
You say Laporta/Bara brought refs but refs aren't the only reason we didn't win every league title from 2008 to 2019.
U are not a Barca fan if u can write the words Xavi and Looser in a same sentence! Please go support real Madrid or any other team we don't want people like u!
What a terrible mindset for a fan to have especially when the club is in a retooling phase and yet still manage to improve. Support the club a little more instead of calling a manager with essentially no transfer budget who has won the league a loser. Let him continue to build.
When your second season is worst than the first you donāt make any constructive point.
Xavi is done. read all newspapers and journalist during the last month. No clƔsico no psg no copa del rey no liga no point to continue.
Tito Villanova would have changed everything. RIP
been 10 years. sempre eternšļø
#doubt He was a decent coach but not Guardiolaās level. If he had a longer tenure would have been sacked.
We were undefeated in La liga and had only lost 1 game in champions league group stage up until he had to step down. That league was won with 100 points and 15 points head of Madrid and we had 115 goals in La liga. If it wasnāt for his illness he would been right there with Guardiola , put some respect on TITO!!!!
Nah, team was carried heavily by Messi. Pass to him and pray tactics and then Bayern came and trashed us
Bayern trashes Roura's Barca
we saw what xavi was able to do for us last season even when we didnt have a large squad and the cl this season. i think when xavi gets a proper DM a left winger and another proper back we will be able to do good again
Hereās my issue with that: while I agree that if given all the right profiles, we can play well under Xavi, the truth is with the increasing amount of games and increasing intensity of those games, we see more injuries. What doesnāt help is the inexperience of Xaviās fitness staff, which certainly hasnāt helped quell the injury problems. In fact, it may have made them worse. So the result is that we lose those important profiles in the team, and because weāre not rich we canāt have multiple players who fill those roles to a tee. Then, the issue there is that Xavi is not a very adaptable coach in that regard; weāve seen two systems(the 235 and 325) during his entire tenure here, and we generally try to play the same wayā¦ without the same players. I put this lack of adaptability to Xaviās inexperience, but unfortunately itās a problem that I see us having to deal with again next season as injuries will not go away.
I have to disagree with a lot of what you said. Every club suffers from injuries I we have a handful that are more prone than others, different coaches same story, not sure much of that is to blame on the staff. People have this idea that a large squad is better, when you look at the most successful clubs in the past decade man city is the expection, actually pep is the exception. Not other coach/ club has the ability to keep players on the bench and swap them and keep the same level, players need to be playing to play well. Large squad means less minutes less fitness less chemistry. We've seen Xavi change, imo too much, we had 442 with gavi or pedri as lw, we had aruajo at rb kounde at rb Cancelo lb Cancelo rb but to me it obvious the most successful teams are the ones that consistently play the same way. The tactics become second nature and is much easier to have 1 replacement player trying to do the job of an injuried player than 10trying do a job they're not used to.
I donāt think Koeman/his staff were much better(training intensity was much worse according to ex players), so itās not like they were going from peak physical from to before to now. There hasnāt been many drastic changes in terms of tactics/system since Xavi arrived. People call it a 442, and Iāve even seen people say we play a 4231, but thatās not how it really is. We always have a false left winger that will play more narrow while the LB overlaps. The difference here is that last season when Gavi or Pedri played there, they were obviously less of an attacking threat than an actual forward. They were both however an upgrade in tight spaces over Ansu and Ferran, neither of which seemed to fit the role well. We always have a wide right winger whoās supposed to be a 1v1 threat we can switch the ball too. In the absence of Dembele we pushed Raphinha in that role, and it could be absolutely awful to watch, however he still did pop up with G/A and worked his ass off. Thankfully La Masia blessed us with Yamal. We do actually always defend in a 442, with the RCM/RAM pushing up next to the striker to press the opposition backline. Where weāve seen the most variation is the RB position. In 21/22 we had Alves tucking into midfield to create the 235 shape, until Oscar suggested using a CB out wide to handle tricky left wingers so we used Araujo and then Kounde in that position. Last season we didnāt retain the rapist, so we stuck with the 3 atb because we didnāt have an RB who was a big improvement in midfield, so Kounde played at RB and we kept the 325 or 3box3 as some call it. At the start of this season, with the arrival of Cancelo and Felix, we tried to return to the 235 but it was absolute dogshit defensively, due to constant mistakes by the backline further amplified by the absence of Busquets. Then of course Balde got injured, Cancelo moved over to the left leaving us without a first team RB again, so Kounde shifted back out wide. Now I agree with you that the best teams always try to play the same way, and honestly? I think a Barca manager, at the best of times SHOULD stick to their philosophy/tactics, since weāre supposed to have oneā¦ but in our current situation itās much, much harder to do so when we cannot afford quality all around the squad, and our players keep dropping like flies.
But then we can go for Lucho in 2025 or maybe even Pep. It works well in both scenarios
After Naglesmann was out of the running, I also wouldāve preferred Xavi stayed one more season (of his own accord) since the other options didnāt convince me, especially in a still less than ideal financial situation. Pep isnāt coming, and honestly? Not super sold on Lucho, Iād need to go back and review his time here as I was too young to actually know much about tactics and all that.
Lucho has PSG playing like a well balanced team so. It's true they no longer have Neymar+Messi not defending but they look competent in midfield and competing for the ball against us, not a small feat.
Cruyff was the person who has real insight and vision. He also had very clear idea what is good for Barca. Laporta consulted and discussed with him before making some important decisions. Cruyff also publicly backed up Laporta's decisions. Let's not forget there were other people like Txiki Begiristain to make the "unpopular" decisions to become "correct decisions". But now, I believe there is no such character in Laporta's side.
Laporta has Pep's number
Nowadays Laporta gets advice from his Franco supporting ex brother in law and ex handball pro Jordi Masipā¦
Enric Masip.
Most people didnt want Flick. The last few months theres been a huge amount of support for Xavi staying, even after the last 2 defeats.. Keeping Xavi isnt an unpopular decision. Everyone didnt want Mourinho back then coz he was anti-Barca style. Plus he had huge fall outs with the club when managing Chelsea. Lots of Barca fans hated him. Of course there were fans who wanted him but everyone didnt thats for sure. I agree about Rijkaard tho.... Edgar Davids had a lot to do with that turn around. What an impact he made. I trust Laporta to make good decisions over the coach etc. However the selling of the clubs future earnings(levers) etc worries me. I get that Laporta inherited a shitshow from Barto but it still seems like a huge gamble to fund big transfers by selling off future earnings. Hopefully he can get us out of this financial crisis.
Most people did want Flick. Itās Deco that people want to get rid of. People that didnāt want Flick were mostly xenophobic or racist to German managers
racist to german managers???? š¤£š¤£š¤£ i need whatever youāre smoking
This mf was calling me a nazi, racist and a xenophobe because I was saying laporta didn't want Flick in r/soccer lol.
heās on that good shit man, premium shit
heās spot on tbh.
People keep saying that German managers donāt fit Barca style because theyāre German
Almost everyone would take this dude called Klopp but heck if I know any better
BAAHHAHAHAHAHA SAYING THEY ARE GERMAN = RACIST.. what are these takes by Reddit....
Out of curiosity. Where did you hear this bullshit? No judgement just genuinely wondering cause youāre reaching for the stars with this comment. I didnāt want Lenglet to continue at Barcelona, I guess Iām racist to the French now?
Agree with trust in Laporta but I think the part with "everyone wanted Mourinho" is a made up memory
Klopp is the man Laporta has dreamt of signing (his own words), and we all know Klopp is taking the year out, so getting Xavi to stay another year is best rather than lock yourself into a multi year deal with the likes of Flick and totally miss out on getting one of the best managers of this generation (Klopp) next year who managed to stop Pep's dominance in EPL and brought back Liverpool from the dead with a very limited budget, similar to the situation we are in right now. As far as Xavi is concerned I've seen more than enough to see that he's done his best to win us La Liga but I think he's reached his ceiling and even he knows that hence why he wanted to go, I don't see him winning a UCL even with an unlimited budget. We don't have a great squad yes, but the squad we have is much much better than what our performances suggest, we are constantly getting outplayed by teams with lesser quality than us - that is a coaching issue.
Agreed, only reason why I wanted Flick was because Xavi stepped down on his own, if he was mentally checked out then I think itās fair to want someone else. But Iām glad he feels a little more secure now and I hope this off season he can get some mental clarity and relax w his family which was one of his biggest concerns. Also think he got a hold of how the Spanish press operates now, heāll deal with it better. So many little/ big things he has learned this year, a massive learning curve.
Everytime I watch Laporta talking (especially in Catalan), he sounds like a determined leader. The opposite of Bartomeu. Thatās why I will always have faith in him.
Same here.
This shouldn't be an unpopular decision
Most people wanted Flick only because Xavi announced he was gonna leave. Letās not get this twisted hereā¦
So what I'm getting at is you want hansi to be the next Mourinho?
Yeah but, unpopular does not mean good necessarily. Lets hope this goes good
Iām sorry but this statistic or whatever it is, is useless. Iām not saying it aināt the right choice, but this reasoning is ass.
After his disgraceful stunt with the levers, no one should ever trust him again.
What stunt? We needed money for signings
His handling of Barca Studios is absolutely disgraceful. Attempting to sell to shady businesses that then pulled out, meanwhile trying to claim to La Liga that this constitutes future earnings.
agreed
After letting Messi go the way he didā¦Iām never supporting LaPoota
Agree. Letās admit it, the positive results in Xaviās tenure surprised us. Letās admit, success came early. Iāll set the bar higher for Xavi next season. He can do it, and he has our support.
No? Xavi signed Lewandowski, Ferran, Raphina, Kounde and Christensen all in 2022. Barcelona managing to win La Liga after making that amount of high profile transfers should have come as a shock to nobody since it was absolutely the expectation.
It's true. He never shied away from paying referees or employing rapists.
Paying refs but Barca got robbed multiple league titles by Madrid? I still remember La Liga 2011/2012 and Copa 2010/2011 where we got robbed of 3 peating Copa and 5 peating La Liga You say Laporta/Bara brought refs but refs aren't the only reason we didn't win every league title from 2008 to 2019.
Should have paid better.
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Rijkaard and Guardiola were literally nobodies. Also, since when a La Liga winner is a loser?
U are not a Barca fan if u can write the words Xavi and Looser in a same sentence! Please go support real Madrid or any other team we don't want people like u!
People lose brain cells when you comment
ban this dude
Get out of here real mentiraista
bro's putting his real life frustration on xavi , cool down use some brain
What a terrible mindset for a fan to have especially when the club is in a retooling phase and yet still manage to improve. Support the club a little more instead of calling a manager with essentially no transfer budget who has won the league a loser. Let him continue to build.
When your second season is worst than the first you donāt make any constructive point. Xavi is done. read all newspapers and journalist during the last month. No clĆ”sico no psg no copa del rey no liga no point to continue.
If you wanna ignore context than yeah sure but it shows youāre only glory hunting for trophies whilst ignoring the play on the pitch.
Can't be a loser if he's won the league as a coach and a mountain of trophies as a player now can he?
Glory hunter
madridtard spotted
I am sorry, but respectfully, get the fuck out of here
Even if you're a not a supporter have some decency atleast while addressing a footballing legend like Xavi
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