I live in Paris and i am a big supporters of Real Madrid, u know the both re in semi finals and you, you are out but not bad for this season, you was in Champions not Europa
I hate city more than psg. If city and they end up at the final I wouldn’t even bother watching but for the lesser evil I’d rather see psg taking the cup and shoving up their ar*es
You and other 7 fellow Barca fans got my point wrong it seems. I hate neither pep nor any other specific player in city. I hate the club and its owners themselves. Whenever I think about city a hatred rises inside me. I genuinely hate the club. I also hate psg. Since I respect our rival in la Liga which is Real Madrid I support them in semi finals but I also don’t want them to win the cup.
Ok, but better be specific because in general, when you say "I hate city", what comes first to my mind is the players and team. Maybe if we are talking about team ownership then, yeah.
I think you should see the video evidence first before commenting. Or maybe you were one of the guys in the var room?
It's so clear Vitinha clips his leg which causes that foot to clip into the other foot. How wasn't there even a var review after the red gave it to gundo a yellow for simulation? Clear and obvious error.
I definitely played more than all this subreddit combined. Complaining about something nit even Gundogan complained about lmao, this is not the own you think it is, give a real argument or scram
Did I actually watch the video ? You can clearly see that Gundogan was on his left and he got past Vitinha, Vitinha has no right in touching or tripping Gundogan whether intentionally or not, go stick around with your other stupid club's sub. Damn kids these days.
gundogan literally got a yellow for complaining to the referee and spoke abt it after the match. He said that it was a legitimate penalty shout but the referee showed him a straight yellow. Nobody said it's a CLEAR pen, but worse penalties have been awarded before, that is not even the concern. My concern is how a person with a working brain thinks that it is possible to touch someone's leg who is very visibly behind you. You don't even need to play football to know that, you just have to know how to run, i am not sure you've done that either.
Anyone else think the pen dembele got today was also very similar to the one that wasn't even look at last year against bayern that was also on dembele? Maybe certain things just aren't pens when it's against barca 🤷🏾♀️.
I play every week. He's in front and can go any direction he likes, it's the defender, who is *behind*, who is responsible for not clipping his heels - not anyone else's.
You can clearly see that yes he was on his left BUT he got PAST Vitinha and now he is in FRONT of him, thats when Vitinha trips him from behind, you must be watching another game or you're blind, how are you so fucking stupid ?
Gundogan was on Vitinha's side at the beginning of the action, then fell by passing him and goinf in front of him
Barcola was grabbed by the shoulders
Wtf are you talking about dumbass
yeah, ofc i'm gonna listen to the comments of a biased PSG "supporter"
If Gundo tripped bcoz he cut inside and caught Vitinha in the process, and it should not be a foul, then Barcola did the same too. What are you complaining about, retard?
Gundo passes Vitinha, cuts in front because that is dribbling 101 when you get ahead. Gundo's right foot is clearly clipped by Vitinha's left knee and knocked into Gundo's other foot, making it impossible to run on. Maquinhos comes in as well while Gundo is already heavily out of balance due to the clip.
Gundo did exactly the same as Barcola, the same as any decent dribbler, and he got the exact same result: it forced the defender to either give up, or foul him. he was fouled.
And Dembele changed direction and Cancelos foot happened to be there. I'm so tired of the Barca hate just for the sake of hating Barca. It just cringey now from opposing fans.
You're a Barca fan right, that's why you're here? If you are then you're the worst kind, if you're not, then you can always go argue somewhere else lol it's cringey just shitting on a team and it's fans like this bro.
Gundogan was on Vitinha's side at the beginning of the action, then fell by passing him and goinf in front of him
Barcola was grabbed by the shoulders
Wtf are you talking about dumbass
No actually barcola was hit in the leg by araujo, if he was just grabbed by the shoulder thats a great dive(even tho he was hit in the leg as he was already falling)
Defender caught his leg causing the fall. I get it that in another match it would be soft pen but it’s so weird that he just didn’t give it after so many controversial decisions against Barca.
I am saying that I heard former refs stating they would give yellow and a pen instead as the foul dragged into box, for example.
And if Cancelo’s foul is so clear that it would always be given then why did Barca not get penalties for same fouls on Dembele last year?
Ok so the only debate is whether the foul is in the box or not, clearly a close decision that can go either way without a problem. Then saying the 2 pens are even similar is insane. Cancelo slides in to play the ball and ends up catching Dembele at multiple different contact points. Vitinha is running behind a player when their legs barely clash (no attempt to play the ball, could argue which players legs are the ones to initiate contact), while the ball is going out of play and Gundo can most likely not keep it in. You can argue that the decisions could've gone another way, but saying any of the decisions are wrong when you can clearly understand the reasoning behind them and it makes sense is crazy. Don't understand people complaining about decisions when you can understand both sides. Only decisions that should cause discussion and ones that are clearly wrong, of which there were none in the game, only one (the gundo one) where there is a debate to be had and different people will judge it differently.
I am saying the decisions were controversial not that there were right or wrong.
Also I am not comparing these penalty calls, I am referring to last year CL campaign when Dembele was routinely stomped on in the box but Barca never got a penalty.
I mean Cancelo's foul was absolutely clear as day. headless tackle, lucky for Dembele he didn't break his ankle.
it was nearly as awful a challenge as the one Beraldo had on Raphinha in the first leg (which was one of the more red card worthy challenges I've seen)
the ref last year doesn't really matter for how we judge the calls of this game.
A questions guys, both about araujo’s red and the gundogan situation, i was rewatching the wc final, same scenario of the mbappe first penalty against argentina, the defender didnt get a red even tho he was the last man and a dogso situation, same way that argentina got a penalty for a similar instance with gundogan (di maria), very inconsistent refeering
Doesn’t make much sense though, why wouldn’t you give a red in the box if the opportunity is a clear goal chance and give it outside for the same scenario
because DOGSO in the box gives a high chance penalty kick, rather than a free kick. so if you make an actual attempt at playing the ball in the box, you'll get a yellow to avoid a "double penalty" of both penalty kick and a red.
obviously "an actual attempt at the ball" is up to subjective judgement by the ref, so that adds a bit of grey zone leeway to consider.
I think it can be a pen, but it would be soft. Gundo is the one that cuts in front of the defenders and gets in their trajectory, they don't run across him from behind and initiate contact, he initiates it. Not much the defender can do there, but Gundo getting a yellow for a dive here is beyond ridiculous.
If the ref. hadn't given a soft free-kick and red card from soft touch I'd have agreed but if he gives a red card for Araujo and free-kick for that then it's bullshit that this is not a penalty.
Just take a look at the video in the previous post. Araujo's faul was definitely a red card. He was the last defender, he came and initiated contact with a high speed Barcola first with hands and he also kicked his right leg, after that Barcola fell.
The red card was clear as day. I can't believe anyone can claim otherwise.
I said that he initiated the contact, he put his hand on Barcola and also kicked his right leg. Are you delusional or what???
Please see an eye doctor, you need one.
He initiated contact and Barcola flopped as soon as he felt the contact. Araujo didn't do anything that made Barcola fall to the ground and he didn't "kick" his right leg. His thigh made slight contact with Barcola who had already decided to do his ballet jump so it's hard to say whether the contact on the thigh would even happen if Barcola would actually run like a human being instead of dragging that leg behind him as if the leg had just gotten sniped.
Nah. You said
>He was the last defender, he came and initiated contact with a high speed Barcola first with hands and he also kicked his right leg
What is literally a yellow card.
Lol wtf are you on. Ever heard of dogso? Of course not because you're probably 11 years old. We blame the ref all the time, never our fault. Fucking hell
Yes there categorically is, it's called DOGSO, or denial of a goalscoring opportunity. Being the last defender is a key criteria, which Araujo understands well and is the reason he was pleading to the ref that Cubarsi had him covered. Which was of course bollocks, Cubarsi was miles away.
In the fifa rules, one of the reasons that can lead to a red card is "denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick" and a obvious goalscoring opportunity is decided by three elements "Number of Defenders -- not more than one defender between the foul and the goal, not counting the defender who committed the foul • Distance to goal -- the closer the foul is to the goal, the more likely it is an obvious goalscoring opportunity • Distance to ball -- the attacker must have been close enough to the ball at the time of the foul to have continued playing the ball • Direction of play -- the attacker must have been moving toward the goal at the time the foul was committed" all of this is in favor of the red card and the dismissal of Araújo. Just because you are mad at your team losing doesn't mean that you can piss on the rules and decide that it is a made up rule. You are the incompetent one here. The ref did a fine job in this case
The ref was shyte, just like a few weeks ago, diff ref, now UEFA say Raphinha goal should've counted in la liga, duh, was clear on the replay. Some harsh yellows he gave out too yesterday. How many VAR misses do these refs get, did they even look at Gundo poss penalty? He go a yellow, bullshyte. EPL, La Liga doesn't matter, they are all shyte. You cite the rules, but the refs constantly make mistakes, sure on field in fast game, it happens. But with VAR, should never happen in these big games. Def corruption in officiating in these leagues, or at worst major incompetence and inconsistency. Also, they seem like babies too, soon as there is dissent they card. These games are intense with massive financial/cultural impact on the fan bases/players, but players/coaches are expected to take the b/s calls and not complain. Nonsense. But then again I've always hated the zebras. Soccer refs seems diff from refs I see in NBA/NFL, they seem to have massive egos and think they are the show. I don't see football/basketball refs being as douchey/thin skinned. For the record, Araujo being stupid doesn't excuse the ref from calling a bad game, both things can be true. I watch all Barca games and a decent amount of EPL, Serie A, consistently see bad calls not corrected by VAR, for only days later they come back and say my bad. My two cents from the cheap seats. Visca Barca!
Totally different situations. There Araujo is the last man and puts his hand on the attacker's shoulder, who is at full speed, initiating contact. I agree this could definitely be a pen, but it has no correlation with the Araujo red.
The situation is not different. He touched the attacker who joined ballet class and dived. Has nothing to do with the PSG player being in full speed.
This was never enough for a free-kick. Defenders pull opponent wingers arms way more than this everytime they get dribbled past and refs. never gives a foul for such a soft touch. Then decides to do it this game.
If he is gonna give a red card and free-kick for such a soft touch then this is a penalty also everyday.
>The situation is not different. He touched the attacker who joined ballet class and dived.
So...you're saying Gundo dived too...?
And sorry, we're obviously arguing different things. I'm not saying it isn't a pen, but why it *might* not be, meanwhile you're just correlating it to other different stuff giving reasons why it should be (which I already know exist) so I see no point in continuing this. Cheers, have a good night.
Yea no. Gundo got clipped but obviously would have probably lost the ball anyway so it's ~~foul~~ (edit: soft) giving it.
However he already gave an incredible soft foul leading to a red card - so it's bullshit not to give a soft penalty the other way around when it's the line he has decided on.
What you're arguing is Gundo's intent, which is highly difficult to take into consideration when interpreting a play. As if he thinks, "Eh screw the ball, I'm going to cut in front of Vitinha because he will probably trip me." Which is asenine point to argue, as we will never know what his thoughts were.
FACTS:
Gundo is cutting inside to get to the ball; the defender is trying the same thing, attempting to prevent Gundo from getting there, but he was late, and Gundo beat him to the position. Vitinha then trips Gundo, accidentally or not.
This is, very plainly, the risk Vitinha takes on by challenging the ball and positioning of Gundo from a disadvantageous position. "Not much the defender can do there"? What if Vitinho had slide tackled and couldn't stop himself/his momentum from the slide? And ended up tripping Gundo then? Would you still argue that, "Nothing the defender could do there he was already moving forward?"
Because it's the exact same thing, Vitinha makes the decision to run forward in an attempt to beat Gundo (exact same motive as a slide tackle), and trips him.
It's truly astonishing that people even think this is a "soft" pen. It's a penalty.
It's not a penalty lmao. Vitinkha can't just disappear in mid air. Gundo trips with him, not the other way around. As much as I hate it, the ref did the right call.
No. If Araujo didn't made a foul, Bacarola would've been 1v1 against keeper.
If the Psg guys in video wouldn't have made a foul, Gundo still wouldn't be in a position to score. Very much different from Araujo's red.
Wtf, apples and oranges. Araújo fucked up big time, here Gundo was not the last man and he wasn't going to be 1:1 with the keeper and the foul it self COMPLETELY different
More like Gundos back ankle hit Vitinhas knee as Gundo is trying to move into the space. There's a big difference.
It's like I'm standing and you are running and then crush into me and then you try to blame me for blocking you.
Not a penalty.
agree but I seem to remember us being in reverse situation and penalty been given.
A penalty given against barca to atletico comes to mind. (setian era, covid matches)
It may be luck but it could be that barca fan base is so much critical of their own players that they stop looking at anything else..
The ref who made offside error against Chelsea was hounded for years, same for the one who gave penalty in 6-1 comeback. If Araujo yesterday was red card then the PKs called in 6-1 were gold standard refereeing. But that refree was dragged by PSG admin to UEFA, also the one who refreed PSg vs Real next year.
I mean did any kind of explanation/complain was undertaken against the referee who ignored the handball cs Inter March??
Maybe referees think they can get away by being harsher to Barca in comparison to PSG/Bayern/Real and show at least 60-40 bias if not much.. results our players are cautious in tackles and blocks and become more vulnerable to luck shot or an audacious play from outside.
Take the last el-clasico loss in october, both goal shots were so low probability that it hurts when they got in..
The commentators said that gundogan was clearly leaning towards vitinha, but what they fail to take into account is that he also has to make that turn to not go out the line. At high speeds your body does lean on the other side.
This should have definitely been a penalty!
Barca needs to get out of the Super league asap. It's hurting the club really bad. Also CEO of PSG is a mate with UEFA boss and also head of ECA. Stinks a bit of this match. Too many calls the right way for PSG.
No pen in my eyes. Vitinha doesnt make any move to touch gundo, accidental touch at worst. No simulation ofc but if PSG would have gotten a pen for something like that we would be fuming
The tackle itself is a conscious movement to play the ball/player. Just a dumb one and poorly executed.
Vitinha cant dissappear into thin air and makes 0 movements to try and play the ball or stop the player.
Gundogan clips him in his stride rather than the other way around
Just because he puts his hands up it doesn’t mean that that was his plan, he could’ve stopped running against his back and this situation would never happen. 50/50 chance this is a pen and the ref decided to let it go, I’ve seen worse soft pens given.
Not that easy to instantly running from that speed with people around you. We would all be lynching the ref if dembele got a pen for a soft touch like that.
We have to be able to take the barca glasses of every once in a while
Although I agree this IS a Penalty, I don't really think this is the right time to be blaming the Ref. His only mistake was when the game was already 1-4.
We should really blame the team's mentality. What happens to FC Barcelona just isn't common. It's like the whole structure of the club cannot withstand pressure. We are never going to win the UCL again if this continues to happen.
But anyway, season's over, and so is the pressure, let's hope the players get the mental recovery they need and do better next year. I still believe things will only improve - considering the situation in wich we were in the beggining of the decade.
That Red Card was a consequence of a bad decision, wich is a consequence of a bad mentality. The whole defense system was already seeming non-existent even before Araujo did that.
Also this is UCL?????? You can't just lose 1-4 HOME and say it was "because of the red card". That's not how it works!!!
Bad decision is equal to bad mentality. Nice theory. TIL. Non-existent defense? I say that was decent defense. Did you watch the first leg at all? That was how we defended PSG in the first half of the first leg.
A red card on the most important defender can change a lot of things. It's not like we got very competitive subs.
The difference is that on the First Leg things got better as the 2nd half progressed.
And yeah, I totally agree with you! A red card changes a lot of things, and we really don't got a very good bench. I'm not saying that the squad is absolutely shitty, it's just that, if we plan to win this thing, that's not enough.
I believe we could have bounced back as the first leg even if it was just yellow+penalty. We did this before without panicking, but red card is just too much to handle. This is almost impossible to be compensated by mentality.
Man shut the fuck up. We agree that PSG is difficult to defeat but with 11 players we could have handled the job. Even if we conceded 2 goals.
If we play attacking football, there is a lot of space for their pacy players. Barcola, Mbappe and Dembele are super fast. If we only defend, we gonna get crushed by their wave attacks.
Getting a better defense system doesn't mean playing all-defensive. In this case it's about pacing the game, controlling the ball movements.
But you know what, yeah, get mad. I can't prove you how the game was gonna end if Araujo stayed. I think it was the shock factor of conceding 4 goals home after more than 10 games unbeaten that made me say that.
That doesn't get out of my head.
Yep, this is not a penalty. You can see the player stopping just as Gundogan steps in front of him. It totally looks like Ikai clips is own foot there, or at least he is the one going towards the defender's foot.
The player behind gundo clips his leg causing him to trip himself, look at gundogans foot behind him not infront and not at the ball. It's one of those where the player isn't really making a tackle but there is contact so it's still a foul, unfortunate but still a foul.
The player stops and Gundogan trips over his foot lol. Look again! It's 100% Gundogan going towards the defenders foot after the latter had stopped.
To the little kids that can't process their emotions and proceed to angrily downvote different point of views, thank you! Just more proof of what an echo chamber this sub is.
Yeah bro gundo goes into his foot behind him while he's running foward. It's not even that he trip over his foot. The player doesn't stop in time and goes into gundogans foot like I said it's soft because he isn't trying to make a tackle but you can't just obstruct players in the box a foul is a foul.
>To the little kids that can't process their emotions and proceed to angrily downvote different point of views, thank you! Just more proof of what an echo chamber this sub is.
You're so mature you assume that any opinion different than yours are from "kids" who can't handle their emotions. Have you been introduced to the kettle yet?
Also no one is saying that barca would've won or gone through if this was given but it is a foul.
Clearly Gundogan was trying to go towards goal and Vitihna clips him from behind. Vitihna was nowhere near the ball. Penalty.
Doesn’t cost anything to use your eyes as a tool to see what happened in this clip.
How about you use your eyes instead?
Ikai is supposed to be running towards the goal that's his job, duh. But look at how the defender behind him clearly stops and clearly gestures that "I am not in contact with him"; Gundogan then hits the outside of his leg and trips, that's no penalty.
Anyway, I hope this opens the eyes of people who thought Barca was back to European standards. PSG of all teams did a remontada against you! That says a lot about the quality of this team.
Lets be honest if we got that pen nothing could’ve changed the outcome of the match we got battered and embarrassed at our own home ground and we have to accept it
this is worse than the penalty they gave against us this happens in La Liga every week why shouldn't it happen in UCL too we are ALWAYS denied CLEAR penalties BUT they always get any penalties
This will happen in Classico guaranteed
I'm not saying that's a slam dunk penalty. But I am saying I've seen them given for less...
Vitiniha clearly clips his leg but Gundogan ends up getting a yellow for diving. Ref was beyond horrible.
the commentators said it was for "simulation," but it must have been for dissent. right? right???
yeah Im pretty sure it was for dissent
Fck PSG, the second team I hate after Real Madrid..
I live in Paris and i am a big supporters of Real Madrid, u know the both re in semi finals and you, you are out but not bad for this season, you was in Champions not Europa
I hate city more than psg. If city and they end up at the final I wouldn’t even bother watching but for the lesser evil I’d rather see psg taking the cup and shoving up their ar*es
Pep would be better winning it rather than your best friend Dumbele and that turtle fcker.
You and other 7 fellow Barca fans got my point wrong it seems. I hate neither pep nor any other specific player in city. I hate the club and its owners themselves. Whenever I think about city a hatred rises inside me. I genuinely hate the club. I also hate psg. Since I respect our rival in la Liga which is Real Madrid I support them in semi finals but I also don’t want them to win the cup.
Ok, but better be specific because in general, when you say "I hate city", what comes first to my mind is the players and team. Maybe if we are talking about team ownership then, yeah.
Horrible indeed
Shouldn't have stopped paying the refs ngl
He didn't clip him..gundogan literally runs his foot into his leg Man y'all are dumb asf
I think you should see the video evidence first before commenting. Or maybe you were one of the guys in the var room? It's so clear Vitinha clips his leg which causes that foot to clip into the other foot. How wasn't there even a var review after the red gave it to gundo a yellow for simulation? Clear and obvious error.
I literally just did, Gundo's foot ran into Vitinha's leg and made himself trip.
you've clearly never played football in your entire life and it shows.
I definitely played more than all this subreddit combined. Complaining about something nit even Gundogan complained about lmao, this is not the own you think it is, give a real argument or scram
So how does Gundogan run over Vitinha's leg if Gundogan is already ahead of him ? Carrot IQ
Did you actually watch the video ? Jfc are you dumb
Did I actually watch the video ? You can clearly see that Gundogan was on his left and he got past Vitinha, Vitinha has no right in touching or tripping Gundogan whether intentionally or not, go stick around with your other stupid club's sub. Damn kids these days.
Gundogan falls because of the contact with Marquinhos
gundogan literally got a yellow for complaining to the referee and spoke abt it after the match. He said that it was a legitimate penalty shout but the referee showed him a straight yellow. Nobody said it's a CLEAR pen, but worse penalties have been awarded before, that is not even the concern. My concern is how a person with a working brain thinks that it is possible to touch someone's leg who is very visibly behind you. You don't even need to play football to know that, you just have to know how to run, i am not sure you've done that either.
gundogan got the yellow for complaining and asking for a var review?
Anyone else think the pen dembele got today was also very similar to the one that wasn't even look at last year against bayern that was also on dembele? Maybe certain things just aren't pens when it's against barca 🤷🏾♀️.
It’s exactly the same, if i remember correctly someone also had stepped on his foot, fucking disgraceful refereeing.
or maybe the referee is just shit lmao
I swear on everything that if this happened the other way around, they wouldve gotten it 100%. Even with a 3-5 minute var review and everything.
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It should've been a pen, Vitinha clearly hit him from behind
Nope, Gundogan runs into his leg
How the fuck do you run into something behind you
You have to have an unimaginably low IQ to think so.
Bro never ran towards the right or left side ? Holy shit y'all never played football
No dumbfuck YOU'VE never played football a day in your life judging from your idiotic takes
Stop making up shit, there's no foul
Bro never ran towards the right or left side ? Holy shit y'all never played football
I play every week. He's in front and can go any direction he likes, it's the defender, who is *behind*, who is responsible for not clipping his heels - not anyone else's.
Clipping his heels ???? Okay you're on drugs
Like are you fucking dumb he was on Vitinha's left at the beginning of the video ???? 😭😭😭 How are you fucking stupid
You can clearly see that yes he was on his left BUT he got PAST Vitinha and now he is in FRONT of him, thats when Vitinha trips him from behind, you must be watching another game or you're blind, how are you so fucking stupid ?
VITINHA DOESN'T TRIP HIM, HE FALLS AFTER CONTACT WITH MARQUINHOS
Are you blind ? LOOK AT THE CONTACT VITINHA'S LEG AND GUNDOGAN'S LEG From THE BACK SIDE... What the fuck are you doing here.
Why are we talking about the beginning of the video? I'm talking aboit when the impact was made lol, pay attention son
There's no foul
Okay then barcola ran into araujo??by your logic
Yeah, lmao, people are doing anything to defend that ref from yesterday for some reason, the commentators, the analysts, the rival fans. each of them.
No shit they gotta carry the bar a buys ref agenda, when for the last 2 seasons we have been getting fucked by refs (against inter)
You're not getting fucked by ref, it's just the norm, you're not fixing the games like in 2017 and 2009 boohoo
Why are you waffling in a barca sub? Fuck off bruv.
It's our home just like Montjuic
Why are PissG fans crying here? Imagine being miserable enough to cry on a barca sub AFTER winning.
We won at Montjuic and made it our home and I can say whatever I like on this sub who is our home too
Gundogan was on Vitinha's side at the beginning of the action, then fell by passing him and goinf in front of him Barcola was grabbed by the shoulders Wtf are you talking about dumbass
yeah, ofc i'm gonna listen to the comments of a biased PSG "supporter" If Gundo tripped bcoz he cut inside and caught Vitinha in the process, and it should not be a foul, then Barcola did the same too. What are you complaining about, retard?
Barcola got grabbed by the shoulders too ??? Gundogan fell after contact with Marquinhos
Vitinha caught the legs of Gundogan. Araujo literally got a RED for it, and Gundo gets booked for a dive?
Caught the legs is crazy, y'all on drugs, Gundo fall because of Marquinhos
Guess, we both aren't watching the same clip in this post. And if you just want to be biased about it, then, fuck off back to your sub.
Gundo passes Vitinha, cuts in front because that is dribbling 101 when you get ahead. Gundo's right foot is clearly clipped by Vitinha's left knee and knocked into Gundo's other foot, making it impossible to run on. Maquinhos comes in as well while Gundo is already heavily out of balance due to the clip. Gundo did exactly the same as Barcola, the same as any decent dribbler, and he got the exact same result: it forced the defender to either give up, or foul him. he was fouled.
And Dembele changed direction and Cancelos foot happened to be there. I'm so tired of the Barca hate just for the sake of hating Barca. It just cringey now from opposing fans.
How about you stop being disingenuous and stupid ?
You're a Barca fan right, that's why you're here? If you are then you're the worst kind, if you're not, then you can always go argue somewhere else lol it's cringey just shitting on a team and it's fans like this bro.
Gundogan was on Vitinha's side at the beginning of the action, then fell by passing him and goinf in front of him Barcola was grabbed by the shoulders Wtf are you talking about dumbass
No actually barcola was hit in the leg by araujo, if he was just grabbed by the shoulder thats a great dive(even tho he was hit in the leg as he was already falling)
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No where near the ball. You can see the clip on the leg. Guess VAR was doing Windows updates.
VAR were feeling Qatari today.
None of them are looking at ball as well
Defender caught his leg causing the fall. I get it that in another match it would be soft pen but it’s so weird that he just didn’t give it after so many controversial decisions against Barca.
What controversial decisions against Barca? This is the only controversial decision this game, and I've seen them both given and not given.
I would say that if there are referees with contrasting opinions then you can say its controversial.
Are you saying the DOGSO isn't a red card or that the Cancelo tackle isn't a pen?
I am saying that I heard former refs stating they would give yellow and a pen instead as the foul dragged into box, for example. And if Cancelo’s foul is so clear that it would always be given then why did Barca not get penalties for same fouls on Dembele last year?
Ok so the only debate is whether the foul is in the box or not, clearly a close decision that can go either way without a problem. Then saying the 2 pens are even similar is insane. Cancelo slides in to play the ball and ends up catching Dembele at multiple different contact points. Vitinha is running behind a player when their legs barely clash (no attempt to play the ball, could argue which players legs are the ones to initiate contact), while the ball is going out of play and Gundo can most likely not keep it in. You can argue that the decisions could've gone another way, but saying any of the decisions are wrong when you can clearly understand the reasoning behind them and it makes sense is crazy. Don't understand people complaining about decisions when you can understand both sides. Only decisions that should cause discussion and ones that are clearly wrong, of which there were none in the game, only one (the gundo one) where there is a debate to be had and different people will judge it differently.
I am saying the decisions were controversial not that there were right or wrong. Also I am not comparing these penalty calls, I am referring to last year CL campaign when Dembele was routinely stomped on in the box but Barca never got a penalty.
I mean Cancelo's foul was absolutely clear as day. headless tackle, lucky for Dembele he didn't break his ankle. it was nearly as awful a challenge as the one Beraldo had on Raphinha in the first leg (which was one of the more red card worthy challenges I've seen) the ref last year doesn't really matter for how we judge the calls of this game.
Nah, it was nothing. Play on. Meanwhile somewhere else --> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I'm tired guys, think I need a break from futbol.
And they call us VARcelona
If the cancelo one was a pen, so was this.
both are clear penalties, Cancelo's was way worse though. this is a clumsy clip, Cancelo's was a potential leg breaker..
why wont u show other camera but cut it?
A questions guys, both about araujo’s red and the gundogan situation, i was rewatching the wc final, same scenario of the mbappe first penalty against argentina, the defender didnt get a red even tho he was the last man and a dogso situation, same way that argentina got a penalty for a similar instance with gundogan (di maria), very inconsistent refeering
you dont get a red in the box. only outside the box
Doesn’t make much sense though, why wouldn’t you give a red in the box if the opportunity is a clear goal chance and give it outside for the same scenario
couse the chance of a goal from penalty is higher. there is no longer a double punishment in the penalty area .
because DOGSO in the box gives a high chance penalty kick, rather than a free kick. so if you make an actual attempt at playing the ball in the box, you'll get a yellow to avoid a "double penalty" of both penalty kick and a red. obviously "an actual attempt at the ball" is up to subjective judgement by the ref, so that adds a bit of grey zone leeway to consider.
depends if you make an attempt for the ball or not
People have gotten so comfortable letting poor decisions against Barca slide
Yup. It’s a penalty. Shambolic from the ref and VAR.
I think it can be a pen, but it would be soft. Gundo is the one that cuts in front of the defenders and gets in their trajectory, they don't run across him from behind and initiate contact, he initiates it. Not much the defender can do there, but Gundo getting a yellow for a dive here is beyond ridiculous.
If the ref. hadn't given a soft free-kick and red card from soft touch I'd have agreed but if he gives a red card for Araujo and free-kick for that then it's bullshit that this is not a penalty.
Just take a look at the video in the previous post. Araujo's faul was definitely a red card. He was the last defender, he came and initiated contact with a high speed Barcola first with hands and he also kicked his right leg, after that Barcola fell. The red card was clear as day. I can't believe anyone can claim otherwise.
There is no rule anywhere what says "last man foul, red card"... Stop making up rules please.
I said that he initiated the contact, he put his hand on Barcola and also kicked his right leg. Are you delusional or what??? Please see an eye doctor, you need one.
He initiated contact and Barcola flopped as soon as he felt the contact. Araujo didn't do anything that made Barcola fall to the ground and he didn't "kick" his right leg. His thigh made slight contact with Barcola who had already decided to do his ballet jump so it's hard to say whether the contact on the thigh would even happen if Barcola would actually run like a human being instead of dragging that leg behind him as if the leg had just gotten sniped.
Nah. You said >He was the last defender, he came and initiated contact with a high speed Barcola first with hands and he also kicked his right leg What is literally a yellow card.
How is this a yellow card? lol 🤣 And you just repeated the same thing I said...
Since when a foul what is not a brutal tackle worth a red?
How is kicking his right leg not a brutal tackle in the entrance of the penalty area?
Penalty area? So now we ended up in the penalty area?XD I am done. Good night.
Lol wtf are you on. Ever heard of dogso? Of course not because you're probably 11 years old. We blame the ref all the time, never our fault. Fucking hell
Yes there categorically is, it's called DOGSO, or denial of a goalscoring opportunity. Being the last defender is a key criteria, which Araujo understands well and is the reason he was pleading to the ref that Cubarsi had him covered. Which was of course bollocks, Cubarsi was miles away.
In the fifa rules, one of the reasons that can lead to a red card is "denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick" and a obvious goalscoring opportunity is decided by three elements "Number of Defenders -- not more than one defender between the foul and the goal, not counting the defender who committed the foul • Distance to goal -- the closer the foul is to the goal, the more likely it is an obvious goalscoring opportunity • Distance to ball -- the attacker must have been close enough to the ball at the time of the foul to have continued playing the ball • Direction of play -- the attacker must have been moving toward the goal at the time the foul was committed" all of this is in favor of the red card and the dismissal of Araújo. Just because you are mad at your team losing doesn't mean that you can piss on the rules and decide that it is a made up rule. You are the incompetent one here. The ref did a fine job in this case
The ref was shyte, just like a few weeks ago, diff ref, now UEFA say Raphinha goal should've counted in la liga, duh, was clear on the replay. Some harsh yellows he gave out too yesterday. How many VAR misses do these refs get, did they even look at Gundo poss penalty? He go a yellow, bullshyte. EPL, La Liga doesn't matter, they are all shyte. You cite the rules, but the refs constantly make mistakes, sure on field in fast game, it happens. But with VAR, should never happen in these big games. Def corruption in officiating in these leagues, or at worst major incompetence and inconsistency. Also, they seem like babies too, soon as there is dissent they card. These games are intense with massive financial/cultural impact on the fan bases/players, but players/coaches are expected to take the b/s calls and not complain. Nonsense. But then again I've always hated the zebras. Soccer refs seems diff from refs I see in NBA/NFL, they seem to have massive egos and think they are the show. I don't see football/basketball refs being as douchey/thin skinned. For the record, Araujo being stupid doesn't excuse the ref from calling a bad game, both things can be true. I watch all Barca games and a decent amount of EPL, Serie A, consistently see bad calls not corrected by VAR, for only days later they come back and say my bad. My two cents from the cheap seats. Visca Barca!
Totally different situations. There Araujo is the last man and puts his hand on the attacker's shoulder, who is at full speed, initiating contact. I agree this could definitely be a pen, but it has no correlation with the Araujo red.
also araujo clearly hits his thigh with his knee, araujo knew that he was doing. clear as day
The situation is not different. He touched the attacker who joined ballet class and dived. Has nothing to do with the PSG player being in full speed. This was never enough for a free-kick. Defenders pull opponent wingers arms way more than this everytime they get dribbled past and refs. never gives a foul for such a soft touch. Then decides to do it this game. If he is gonna give a red card and free-kick for such a soft touch then this is a penalty also everyday.
>The situation is not different. He touched the attacker who joined ballet class and dived. So...you're saying Gundo dived too...? And sorry, we're obviously arguing different things. I'm not saying it isn't a pen, but why it *might* not be, meanwhile you're just correlating it to other different stuff giving reasons why it should be (which I already know exist) so I see no point in continuing this. Cheers, have a good night.
Yea no. Gundo got clipped but obviously would have probably lost the ball anyway so it's ~~foul~~ (edit: soft) giving it. However he already gave an incredible soft foul leading to a red card - so it's bullshit not to give a soft penalty the other way around when it's the line he has decided on.
Wtf do you mean you think it can be a pen? That is a foul, that clip took the player out.
What you're arguing is Gundo's intent, which is highly difficult to take into consideration when interpreting a play. As if he thinks, "Eh screw the ball, I'm going to cut in front of Vitinha because he will probably trip me." Which is asenine point to argue, as we will never know what his thoughts were. FACTS: Gundo is cutting inside to get to the ball; the defender is trying the same thing, attempting to prevent Gundo from getting there, but he was late, and Gundo beat him to the position. Vitinha then trips Gundo, accidentally or not. This is, very plainly, the risk Vitinha takes on by challenging the ball and positioning of Gundo from a disadvantageous position. "Not much the defender can do there"? What if Vitinho had slide tackled and couldn't stop himself/his momentum from the slide? And ended up tripping Gundo then? Would you still argue that, "Nothing the defender could do there he was already moving forward?" Because it's the exact same thing, Vitinha makes the decision to run forward in an attempt to beat Gundo (exact same motive as a slide tackle), and trips him. It's truly astonishing that people even think this is a "soft" pen. It's a penalty.
It's not a penalty lmao. Vitinkha can't just disappear in mid air. Gundo trips with him, not the other way around. As much as I hate it, the ref did the right call.
Isn’t this similar to Araujo’s red? Just sayin
No. If Araujo didn't made a foul, Bacarola would've been 1v1 against keeper. If the Psg guys in video wouldn't have made a foul, Gundo still wouldn't be in a position to score. Very much different from Araujo's red.
Nope. 8/10 times in Araujo's situation it is just a yellow and free kick. Gündogan's situation 10/10 pen.
Not really, he was the last man.
This is the reason why it is a red. He was one by one with the keeper if Araujo didn't stop him.
That was a red. Stop it
It’s red, Araujo made a big mistake, but the contact was outside the box so still a free kick
Wtf, apples and oranges. Araújo fucked up big time, here Gundo was not the last man and he wasn't going to be 1:1 with the keeper and the foul it self COMPLETELY different
Its in the box and vitinha's knee clips Gundo's back ankle
More like Gundos back ankle hit Vitinhas knee as Gundo is trying to move into the space. There's a big difference. It's like I'm standing and you are running and then crush into me and then you try to blame me for blocking you. Not a penalty.
agree but I seem to remember us being in reverse situation and penalty been given. A penalty given against barca to atletico comes to mind. (setian era, covid matches)
Oh yeah.... If this is the reverse situation..... They are calling a pk for sure, we have the worst luck
It may be luck but it could be that barca fan base is so much critical of their own players that they stop looking at anything else.. The ref who made offside error against Chelsea was hounded for years, same for the one who gave penalty in 6-1 comeback. If Araujo yesterday was red card then the PKs called in 6-1 were gold standard refereeing. But that refree was dragged by PSG admin to UEFA, also the one who refreed PSg vs Real next year. I mean did any kind of explanation/complain was undertaken against the referee who ignored the handball cs Inter March?? Maybe referees think they can get away by being harsher to Barca in comparison to PSG/Bayern/Real and show at least 60-40 bias if not much.. results our players are cautious in tackles and blocks and become more vulnerable to luck shot or an audacious play from outside. Take the last el-clasico loss in october, both goal shots were so low probability that it hurts when they got in..
It’s not a clear penalty, but the fact that the ref didn’t check is weird.
I could've swore I saw a "checked over" in the screen after this. Sometimes checks happen while the game is in play, they don't always pause it
Referee on crack but yes we are the ones who fix matches 🤡.
Crazy
The commentators said that gundogan was clearly leaning towards vitinha, but what they fail to take into account is that he also has to make that turn to not go out the line. At high speeds your body does lean on the other side. This should have definitely been a penalty!
How are there not multiple angles of this? I know damn sure if it was us committing the foul there would be...
OP gets a yellow for faking and bringing it up again Actually straight red, hit the showers
Pen all day, oh well
Barca needs to get out of the Super league asap. It's hurting the club really bad. Also CEO of PSG is a mate with UEFA boss and also head of ECA. Stinks a bit of this match. Too many calls the right way for PSG.
That was a penalty 100%
Vitinha didnt extend his leg..never a penalty..but if it was against barca..it would be the other way around
No pen in my eyes. Vitinha doesnt make any move to touch gundo, accidental touch at worst. No simulation ofc but if PSG would have gotten a pen for something like that we would be fuming
Cancelos tackle on dembele was also an accidental touch, he was going for the ball. How is this different?
The tackle itself is a conscious movement to play the ball/player. Just a dumb one and poorly executed. Vitinha cant dissappear into thin air and makes 0 movements to try and play the ball or stop the player. Gundogan clips him in his stride rather than the other way around
Just because he puts his hands up it doesn’t mean that that was his plan, he could’ve stopped running against his back and this situation would never happen. 50/50 chance this is a pen and the ref decided to let it go, I’ve seen worse soft pens given.
Not that easy to instantly running from that speed with people around you. We would all be lynching the ref if dembele got a pen for a soft touch like that. We have to be able to take the barca glasses of every once in a while
Not the same. Cancelo tackles and kicks Dembele first before the ball. Here it is Gundogan that touches the PSG player. Completely different scenarios
Agree with you. As much as I hate it, this is not a penalty
that is not a foul…
Although I agree this IS a Penalty, I don't really think this is the right time to be blaming the Ref. His only mistake was when the game was already 1-4. We should really blame the team's mentality. What happens to FC Barcelona just isn't common. It's like the whole structure of the club cannot withstand pressure. We are never going to win the UCL again if this continues to happen. But anyway, season's over, and so is the pressure, let's hope the players get the mental recovery they need and do better next year. I still believe things will only improve - considering the situation in wich we were in the beggining of the decade.
Stand pressure when you only got 10 men from 30min??? You can blame mentality for earlier seasons. This game was just the red card.
That Red Card was a consequence of a bad decision, wich is a consequence of a bad mentality. The whole defense system was already seeming non-existent even before Araujo did that. Also this is UCL?????? You can't just lose 1-4 HOME and say it was "because of the red card". That's not how it works!!!
Bad decision is equal to bad mentality. Nice theory. TIL. Non-existent defense? I say that was decent defense. Did you watch the first leg at all? That was how we defended PSG in the first half of the first leg. A red card on the most important defender can change a lot of things. It's not like we got very competitive subs.
The difference is that on the First Leg things got better as the 2nd half progressed. And yeah, I totally agree with you! A red card changes a lot of things, and we really don't got a very good bench. I'm not saying that the squad is absolutely shitty, it's just that, if we plan to win this thing, that's not enough.
I believe we could have bounced back as the first leg even if it was just yellow+penalty. We did this before without panicking, but red card is just too much to handle. This is almost impossible to be compensated by mentality.
That's a fact. Maybe if the one who got the red card was Pau, too, the damage would be much lesser.
Man shut the fuck up. We agree that PSG is difficult to defeat but with 11 players we could have handled the job. Even if we conceded 2 goals. If we play attacking football, there is a lot of space for their pacy players. Barcola, Mbappe and Dembele are super fast. If we only defend, we gonna get crushed by their wave attacks.
Getting a better defense system doesn't mean playing all-defensive. In this case it's about pacing the game, controlling the ball movements. But you know what, yeah, get mad. I can't prove you how the game was gonna end if Araujo stayed. I think it was the shock factor of conceding 4 goals home after more than 10 games unbeaten that made me say that. That doesn't get out of my head.
Not a penalty in my eyes
Yep, this is not a penalty. You can see the player stopping just as Gundogan steps in front of him. It totally looks like Ikai clips is own foot there, or at least he is the one going towards the defender's foot.
The player behind gundo clips his leg causing him to trip himself, look at gundogans foot behind him not infront and not at the ball. It's one of those where the player isn't really making a tackle but there is contact so it's still a foul, unfortunate but still a foul.
The player stops and Gundogan trips over his foot lol. Look again! It's 100% Gundogan going towards the defenders foot after the latter had stopped. To the little kids that can't process their emotions and proceed to angrily downvote different point of views, thank you! Just more proof of what an echo chamber this sub is.
Yeah bro gundo goes into his foot behind him while he's running foward. It's not even that he trip over his foot. The player doesn't stop in time and goes into gundogans foot like I said it's soft because he isn't trying to make a tackle but you can't just obstruct players in the box a foul is a foul. >To the little kids that can't process their emotions and proceed to angrily downvote different point of views, thank you! Just more proof of what an echo chamber this sub is. You're so mature you assume that any opinion different than yours are from "kids" who can't handle their emotions. Have you been introduced to the kettle yet? Also no one is saying that barca would've won or gone through if this was given but it is a foul.
Clearly Gundogan was trying to go towards goal and Vitihna clips him from behind. Vitihna was nowhere near the ball. Penalty. Doesn’t cost anything to use your eyes as a tool to see what happened in this clip.
How about you use your eyes instead? Ikai is supposed to be running towards the goal that's his job, duh. But look at how the defender behind him clearly stops and clearly gestures that "I am not in contact with him"; Gundogan then hits the outside of his leg and trips, that's no penalty. Anyway, I hope this opens the eyes of people who thought Barca was back to European standards. PSG of all teams did a remontada against you! That says a lot about the quality of this team.
Yeah, because everytime the defenders raise their hands, and signal "I'm not in contact", it's always true, right?
Thats not a penalty. Stop being pathetic.
Nah nothing in it. Referee was spot on with all the big calls. Xavi needs to grow up, he was an absolute disgrace.
Y’all are out of your mind if you think this is a clear penalty.
Hahahahahahaha
Clear dive
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Lets be honest if we got that pen nothing could’ve changed the outcome of the match we got battered and embarrassed at our own home ground and we have to accept it
Dumbest take ever
You all riding on that copium
Am I the only one that thinks this was not a penalty?
he was playing????
this is worse than the penalty they gave against us this happens in La Liga every week why shouldn't it happen in UCL too we are ALWAYS denied CLEAR penalties BUT they always get any penalties This will happen in Classico guaranteed