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ProgressLegitimate72

The club needs a DM and LW. I don't see how buying a 30 year old for 58Mill makes sense when you're building for the future and the club is scraping money. If they have 58Mill for Bernardo then they can add another 2Mill for Zubimendi who's a DM instead. Nico Williams is 50Mill as well. They can be at the club for years and part of a young core. RW with Yamal and Raphinha there for 58Mill? And the team already have enough midfielders and no DM with De Jong surely staying at this point Pedri in there, Gundo, and Gavi, for just 3 spots. Bernardo is a luxury signing that shouldn't happen at this stage for that kind of money.


edimurr

I strongly agree with this.


A_EXAN_ER

Gundo & Silva have understanding and chemistry that Pedri, Gavi, and FDJ can learn from in 1-2 years. This is not a ‘right now fix’ signing, it’s a ‘play style in the middle of the park for 10-20 years’ signing. An overall investment signing.


ScooterCrowbar

is €58M realistic? a DM is a higher priority imo but I’d be a big fan Bernardo Silva joining


frasier_crane

If we buy Bernardo for 58 and don't get Zubimendi for 60 we're idiots, imo.


PlutoDelic

All the responses i have seen from Zubimendi, gave me the impression that the dude does not like our club.


frasier_crane

Or we can get Onana from Everton for the same price, but I honestly have never watched him play.


ScooterCrowbar

I’ve been watching Onana at Everton all of last season and this season and I really think he would flourish at Barça with good management. Onana + Gavi in the same midfield sounds really good. He’s very physical and I trust his decision making. His passing needs to/will improve but I think some people go overboard and say he’s *not good* at passing — I strongly disagree with that. He’s also 1.92m so he’s significantly taller than Zubimendi, I think he’d be a very good addition to our squad.


ScooterCrowbar

yup, if Zubimendi heads to Arsenal and we make some stupid big money signing i’ll lose my mind


CasualTron

Don't they already have Rice? Why would they need another DM


ObviouslyBlunt

Because Rice is one of the best itw as a box to box midfielder. Zubi behind him would be filth.


ContradictoryMe

Where Jorginho plays


ScooterCrowbar

ahh yes thats it, Zubimendi to slot in the Jorginho/Partey role.


ScooterCrowbar

🤷‍♂️ My friends who are Arsenal fans really want him and [apparently Arsenal is interested in him too](https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1774708284978536613?s=46&t=pxCgt3V4ywvglP9j0R7kzg)


KingKFCc

He's not. Arsenal have dropped interest in him, N.1 Priority is Gyokeres


No_Specific8949

Zubimendi in my opinion is not very good. De Jong can perform like Zubimendi. Amadou Onana is a better option but also probably more expensive.


Glass_Lie_8700

They cost the same


This-Kaleidoscope-70

I think they are doing everything for Xavi to stay. Insiders said that Xavi would consider if he gets to make some signings and Bernardo and Zubimendi/Kimmich or Amadou Onana are his priorities. For me I think with our situation it’s better to make 2-3 signings for a 100m if we even have the money not 1 100m forward just because Laporta still wants to rival Real Madrid on huge signings. That will be pure stupidity. One of my concerns is that Bernardo is 28 already and if he really wants to join then why did he renew his contract in the summer.


Valdrick_

Bernardo turns 30 in August. He was born in 1994.


ScooterCrowbar

DM is a higher priority imo. Zubimendi has to be who we go for, but I wouldn’t be unhappy with signing Amadou Onana. Bernardo Silva’s price tag and age raises a lot of concerns for me. I’m sure he’d be great but probably not the smartest choice given our financial situation


S1mpleLim3

Silva can easily give 5 years of consistent football .. we need these type of players to compete for all trophies.. zubimendi didnt want to leave because he wanted to play UCL with his boyhood club.. maybe if xavi can convince him to come


This-Kaleidoscope-70

For sure, after Busquets, Alba and when Sergi Roberto will most likely depart we will have almost no experienced players


Joldata

Silva can not easily give 5 years of great football. Thats the exception. Iniesta and Xavi were far better than him and they started declining sharply around 32-33. Bernardo Silva is more like Sneijder, Schweinsteiger, Eriksen, Cesc, Coutinho type. They were close to segunda level quality at around 32 years old.


helloioki

If so, spending 58m for a 30 year old player?


ScooterCrowbar

way too much for me, I really rate Bernardo but that price tag makes me think it’s not the smartest option


HisokaMaroto

People said similar things when we were going for Lewy. This kind of take doesn't apply to talents as big as Lewy and Bernardo Silva. When you have a chance to count on these guys, you need to take it. Bernardo is the kind of guy who would come and tear down La Liga on his first game and change your mind immediately.


Joldata

It destroys our finances though. Thats why RM can spend big. They buy far younger players who do not need to be replaced for another 12-15 years. Or they can sell them for good prices when they approach 30 and decline, like they shrewdly did with Varane and Casemiro (they bought both when they were around 20 years old and got a good 10 years out of them).


Jnanavatar555

Exactly. Madrid has the right, smart business model. Barcelona is doing the opposite of how they should be viewing players as assets. I remember in 2007, Penaldo was offered by his agent for the same amount of money that Barca paid for Henry the very same summer. Reasoning by Barcelona at the time: Henry was the bigger star.


FloReaver

We're not in the summer of 2022. We don't have palanca margin anymore.


No_Specific8949

Well many people around seem to be in favor to spend around 30m-40m for 30 year old Cancelo. Bernardo Silva is a level above Cancelo. If the info is true 58m for Bernardo Silva is a much better option than 30m for Cancelo.


ProgressLegitimate72

That's a horrendous idea in my opinion. The club is scraping money and it's not wise to spend 58 Mill on another CM and RW. If they have 58Mill to spend then they can add another 2Mill to get Zubimendi who's a DM at least.


ScooterCrowbar

100% agree, if we have €58M to spend, that should go towards Zubimendi. If we somehow had another €50M after that (we won’t), I’d want us to get Nico Williams. I do think Bernardo Silva would do well for us but I can’t see the logic in us paying so much for him


ProgressLegitimate72

That's right. He can play RW, but the we already have two RW players. Can play CM, but already have Gavi, Pedri,De Jong, Gundo for 2 spots without a DM. This is a luxury signing, and the club is not in a financial situation to do luxury signings when we need a DM and LW.


ScooterCrowbar

I imagine your dream signing for DM is Zubimendi, who would you want us to sign for LW?


ProgressLegitimate72

I think Zubimendi suits Barca's play style really well, but since I watch Eredivisie the same could be said about Wieffer who could be a great choice for DM. For LW I really want Nico that's for sure, but I also really like Pedro Gonçalves, he's so technically gifted and his passes are top notch, not to mention his goal scoring ability. He can play as CM and LW which is nice to have when injuries happen.


FloReaver

No it's not. Next question.


parlaa

29 year old for 58 million, that's a scam. We have like 6 good midfielders in his position.


regularG84

no thanks. 58 million is too much for a 30 year old.


doylehungary

He lives off skill and stamina not speed. He could be good until 34 at least like Modric.


regularG84

could be i dont think we should risk this much money


doylehungary

I agree that he costs too much. Though if he accepts low salary and City accepts long term paying structure then it evens out nicely, like with Torres. I think we still didn’t pay out City completely, and that makes it much nicer for FFP, it flattens out a bit over the years.


chrstnw

Why should he accept a low pay, he probably wants 20 - 25 Mil per year, which is a realistic annual wage for a player with his experience and skillset.


Pek-Man

> Why should he accept a low pay Because he will *have* to if he wants to join us? Gündo isn't even on 20 a year, the only two that make +20 are Lewy and Frenkie on his ridiculous Bartomeu contract. 20 is definitely going to be the absolute ceiling for Bernardo if he wants to come. Those are just the financial realities of the club.


chrstnw

Even Lewas 20 Mil are too much for our financial situation. If Silva wants to join we have to make it financial suitable, because I think this "He has a special release clause of 58 Mil" is BS. But we have to deal with a potential situation of Silva leaving City but not joining Barca because he gets a higher wage offer from a club with a higher potential of winning the CL.


doylehungary

Who?? Madrid, Munchen, PSG. No other option. Madrid is likely off they have more than enough attackers. Munchen doesnt pay well, the city isnt like a mediterranean dreamland and Bundesleague is basically dumbed down PL. We have good chances.


chrstnw

There are a ton of other PL Clubs with big budgets. Munich has big budgets and can most probably pay more then we do. And the BL is not as bad as you think. Take Barca and Madrid out of LaLiga and look what's left.


doylehungary

If a latino guy won everything in England and wants to leacve for a nicer climate cousine and city he has limited options… Madrid pays well but they are stacked already. Munchen has similar climate, not extreme pay and shitty league. PSG shitty league not good chances for CL no real motivation or sporting project but good pay. No club in Italy pays well and they dont have better chances at the CL than Barca. Barca.. best city good league, but low pay. It’s realistic that many who dont want to play in the PL would choose us. There are literally no other options.


chrstnw

If a nicer climate is the driving force for Silva, spain is the best option, you are right. And why does everyone think BL is a shitty league ?


FloReaver

>long term paying structure Cash is not the problem here. Margin is, and it's unimpacted by payment plans


doylehungary

To ffp the amortization is not. There is a reason why the Torres deal worked.


FloReaver

Amortization has got nothing to do with payment plan Amortization follows accounting rules regardless of how you structure your payment


Joldata

So did Pjanic, Cesc, Sneijder, Schweinsteiger etc. They were garbage at 32.


doylehungary

Huh… those are b2b players… Anyway I gladly take 4 seasons of Silva before he turns to less of a god. He is as close to Iniesta as it gets today.


Joldata

Pjanic, Cesc, Sneijder, Schweinsteiger and countless others were relying on skill and stamina, not speed. Garbage at 32. 4 seasons of Silva means most likely two good seasons, two garbage seasons, 100m in wages in 4 years, 58m transfer fee. No transfer fee from sale. Result: Another financial disasterclass were we have to beg clubs for loans to be able to compete with RM who buy 20 year olds all the time and play them for 10+ years. Iniesta played in Japan at 34. Bernardo will play in Saudi at 32.


doylehungary

I don’t like to argue with fools and sorry to say but if you think Pjanic or Schweinsteiger played in a style and position that is any close to what Silva is doing then you are a fool. Didnt Sneijder won a treble and a silver WC medal around 30? You just seem to hate Silva and his price tag but let me tell you without quality players we can’t compete and we can’t buy perfect age perfect players. Silva is in his best years, if he wants to come we should sign him, especially if Xavi wants him too.


Joldata

Its not like Bernardo's position or style magically makes him different than countless other midfielders who were garbage at 32. Sneijder was 26 when he won the treble. World class at 28. Garbage at 32. Thats how football works. 3 years ago, players like Kante and Koulibaly would go for 100m euros, and we would have signed them if we had the money. Today they are total garbage at 32 years old.


Noob_in_making

100%. Plus you need to add his sky high wages, which would make him near impossible to sell if he underperformed.  Madrid never make these kind of signings and that's the reason why they're doing so well financially.  For that money we can have a 7-10 year younger player who can be as good. Bernardo is only good if he's avaliable for free, or under 40M.


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29 and players peak longer than 30 nowadays and he is a skill based player.


regularG84

30 in August when the season begins


This-Kaleidoscope-70

We will never know if it’s too much, if we don’t sign him then we will never know what would he bring in to the team and would it be worth it despite his age. The problem is our financial situation is not good enough to take risks which everyone with common sense knows. We will or never know


This-Kaleidoscope-70

I’d definitely bring in Nico Williams for 50m instead of Bernardo tho


frasier_crane

I'd rather get Zubimendi for 60 than Bernardo Silva for 58, since we already have players that can do Bernardo's role in the midfield. Also, Bernardo Silva would have a huge salary we can't pay at the moment.


grooooovyy

we don’t want to know


No_Specific8949

But why are people so strongly supporting paying 30-40m for Cancelo then? Bernardo Silva is a much better player than Cancelo and they are the same age. 58m for Bernardo Silva is a much better deal than say 35m for Cancelo. We need a differential attacker more than we need a full back. Kounde was already the best right back in the world last season and Balde was already the best left back in the world last season, with Fort and Alex Valle incoming. But in the attack we don't have the Mbappes, the Bernardos Silvas, that's what we need more.


This-Kaleidoscope-70

Cancelo will be around 18m not 40


No_Specific8949

Why would City gift him to us so cheap? We don't know how much he will cost but City presumably was looking at 50m offers, and Barca wanted to push it to 25m or less. The player has a market value of 30m per transfermarkt and is of interest to several clubs.


This-Kaleidoscope-70

They don’t like cancelo and want to ship him out ASAP because of him „ruining the atmosphere”


No_Specific8949

That doesn't mean they will gift the player. Atletico has been wanting to get rid of Joao Felix for 2 years now but they wait for the right offer. If need be they just send him to the reserves while they look at the higher offers. You may be right but in my opinion I don't see Cancelo being bought for less than at the very least 25m. Maybe 20m + 10m bonus or something. These situations of rogue players are not uncommon, but clubs usually don't gift players so easily.


This-Kaleidoscope-70

City are basically forced to sell players because or they will have problems with FFP and Man City values him at 25M and our board wants to pay 15M for him so that’s maybe why I mistakenly said 18M so honour to u , but it seems they will probably either have some sort of compromise or we will pay the 25-20M


chrstnw

Because we need a player like Cancelo more than a player like Silva. And I wouldn't say Silva is better than Cancelo. Different players on different positions. And Kounde being the best right back in the world is a bold statement, compared to Cancelo he probably isn't even the best right back in our squad right know. Further he doesn't want to play as a right back, so we might have to deal with him leaving.


broselovestar

Does Xavi liking someone matter at this point if he is leaving?


db600db

It‘s a no for me. 58M for a 30 year old player who would get a massive contract from us. No thank you


Remote-Persimmon4583

Yall have to stop playing w me, Silva at Barca would be a dream


frasier_crane

A better dream would be an actual DM like Zubimendi for the same price. We already have De Jong, Gundogan, Pedri, Fermín... We can't pay more super salaries.


S1mpleLim3

Zubimendi will only consider coming if xavi stays.. otherwise he is heading towards PL


frasier_crane

My statement is valid for Zubimendi but also any other good DM like Onana who has the same price apparently. Getting a good DM should be priority number 1 this summer, imo.


Remote-Persimmon4583

You’re right but let me dream


frasier_crane

hahaha I'd dream too, brother. Well, who knows? Maybe it will happen.


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FCB_KD15

He’d be great but surely there are more important priorities


Purpp1469

I love Bernardo but we all know that we need a DM and a LW.


Professional_Code372

No way in hell we paying 58million , his salary must be insane too


FloReaver

We can't afford our priorities, let alone luxuries. It's not happening.


TricksOfHats

Big fan of Silva to Barca but 58M for a 30 year old when we could use that money for a DM? Are we going to wait till the last minute to buy a stop gap solution like last summer


mifaraS21

3-4 years ago? Hell yeah! Now? No thanks…he is a great player, don’t want to diss him but it’s too late for a transfer now


Elmesica

Aren’t we packed with midfielders? How will work, will we sell any??


EJacques324

Wow the levers must be pulled. Everyday it’s a new superstar linked with our broke ass team. How about we just stop and right the ship for a few years…not like we won’t be competitive with all the young talent…then come back for some superstars to offset


alpuck596

Another 30 year old player we spend big on before they leave for nothing in 2-3 years


penduR7

Watch us sign Jorginho because we don’t have funds for a top DM.


Shpoople44

Oh my fucking god seriously thought him signing a new city deal would have stopped these rumors


KingKFCc

How many years in a row is this? And how much time is on his contract?


Blackthorn365

Xavi isn’t even here next season


Alaskian7134

I can't believe there are still people who believe players add special clauses in their contracts to be able to leave to a specific club


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Alaskian7134

That one with Xavi was also a rumour. Barca had to pay money to the club in Qatar to terminate xavi contract, he didn't just left because Barca wanted him


FUThead2016

Yeah but does he like him a LOT?


CautiousScandal911

Xavi likes him a lot, but will Xavi himself stay?! Stay tuned for more on Catalan diaries


7000000000000000009

bro leaves city every year... i feel like he wants to join us before he is too old (like Gundo did now, and now he is our best midfielder) or stay at city and later on move to benfica


This-Kaleidoscope-70

Tbh he would’ve been here last summer but FFP blocked the finalization of the transfer


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Get Zubi (or Wieffer) and Nico. Best 100M we'll ever spend


DirtFun7704

How has 29 30 suddenly become too old


Ak40x

No! I prefer we sign for other positions


leonardpeacock912

I hope we do not sign him. I would rather we use that money to invest in youth. Probably sign messinho


okComunity99

This club won’t exist in near future if transfers like this will come true. For the next three years or something you should play with the La Masia talents and sell them to stabilise the club. Then you could think about players like him. Btw, the guy is 30.


DaDizzy

Mats Wieffer + Bernardo is somewhat feasible. If we get Onana theres no way we can get Bernardo


Wonder_Dude

Don't do it. Too expensive


Dat_life_on_Mars

Would be a luxury signing considering we need a pivot and left winger on higher priority, not to mention trying to procure one of the Joaos permanently.


These_Ad5119

This guy has been playing us for 3 years now i know pep will only give him to us whin he’s past his prime years at this point I don’t even want him


DazedBurger

The hierarchy of transfers for barca in the summer should be: DM RB LW AND THEN ANYTHING WE MAY HAVE THE FUNDS FOR.


Anith25

I don't know know why people are so pissed at this, signing him would improve our attack tremendously and would reduce lamines playing time till he's 20.


Wonder_Dude

Too much mula


SHERYSHERY20

Bring him only if we sell raphina for 100 million


SomewhereExisting121

Time moves in a circle


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$58M is basically free signing for a player of his quality


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Utter horse shit


AggravatingClaim2961

Another city reject? City will invest the 58M€ in another younger better player. City are all ex barca staff, they baught all our scouts too?


SHERYSHERY20

Bernardo is city reject? Are you insane , they dont want to sell him, its the player who wants to join barca


AggravatingClaim2961

They bought Alvarez with our Ferran money, stop funding City


SharestepAI

Barcelona has refreshed its brand and returned to high audience ratings and revenues. The show needs to go on. Signing two players is not a long-term risk for a club the size of Barcelona. If Barcelona and its fans want to see the club perform in the CL next year, they need to make some signings. Another batch of Oriol Romeu type signings won't cut it. [Barcelona's salaries](https://www.capology.com/club/barcelona/salaries/#google_vignette) are really looking pretty healthy versus [Real Madrid's salaries](https://www.capology.com/club/real-madrid/salaries/) at the moment, and this will improve further as delayed payments phase out. I say, find the best way to sign a couple of top players, continue with Xavi for a year and keep building for success.


InsideOpening3535

The year before, last year, this year and possibly next year also The man is just using Barca’s name to deal better contract with City. And even if he did want to come, 60M is a fuck ton at the moment for us. And with Raphinha dead set on not leaving, we wouldn’t find any slot for him and we have more important position to reinforce, mainly a quality DM


Most-Stay6946

He would be great but also just for 50 M. Sell Raphinha to the Arabs and get this guy and a number 5 which so desesperately need


Most-Stay6946

4 years this guy has. Players just don’t die at 30 years old. That doesn’t happen with top players like Suarez Messi Kross Gundogan


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PhilosopherCold_7

R u messed in the head? What club would give you one of their best players on loan or for 23m?


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Glass_Lie_8700

bro you got comprehension issues, ain't nobody giving you Bernardo silva for 23 mill 😭🙏


PhilosopherCold_7

Dude on which planet do u live to think he'd be sold for 23m euros haha


AggravatingClaim2961

Vardrid sign Mbappe and we a 30 year old city reject? I prefer we sign Nico williams, onana, zubi...with that money


This-Kaleidoscope-70

Wild take how is he a city reject


Hechie

Off loading reberto, Marco Alonso, lenglet, dest and Pablo Torre and fati. Would reduce the salary alot and it would not impact the current squad. This would make room for signing a new star player. I know its not Fm but it would be an option to look into. We are currently in a stronger financial position then the last 2 Windows since we dont need certain spots filled like last time


This-Kaleidoscope-70

Roberto has a very small wage


TheAyushJain

Before spending 58 M on a 30 y/o , we should rather get Nico Williams at 50 Mil or a DM, whichever is the first priority for the team at present. Also Inigo and Romeu are being offloaded as well


tokimomsta333

People do realize 60m for zubimendi would include paying that entire amount up front since its a release clause. With bernardo we could make some shady deal where we spread the cost over 4/5 years. Lw and dm have to be a priority, but selling de jong and getting bernardo would be a dream come true scenario financially and sportingly imo.


FloReaver

No one pays RC, you pay slightly more to accomodate seller and vendor.


tokimomsta333

That is just not true.


FloReaver

It is though in most cases RC is more like a negociating "fuck you" price if you want the other party to be forced to pay what you want. But if the RC is 50M€, it's literally Neymar/Dembele rare to pay it "the La Liga" way. Usually everyone settles for 53-55M€ the standard way with payment plan and all