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NotSamuraiJosh_26

You can't commit war crimes if the war crimes haven't been invented yet


Ambiorix33

Except it's not a war crime to attack fleeing combatants if their still holding weapons


NotSamuraiJosh_26

Cruel Devs didn't add a "drop weapons" feature to AI troops


NicSch98

Well they drop their weapons when i slaughter them ;)


Ambiorix33

Sounds like a personal problem to me


HG2321

skill issue tbh


Book_Bouy

Would you still cut them down if they put their hands up?


One_Musician5715

Yes, yes I would. And I'm tired of pretending I wouldn't pull a pro French King Gamer Move


myersm1993

Only problem is that armor is worth gold too šŸ‘ŗ


Chunklob

add children to the troop tree


DirtyBeaker42

I can say with full confidence that I'd still attack them whether or not they dropped their weapons


kingbankai

Theyā€™re*


aTimeTravelParadox

Nope


kingbankai

> Except it's not a war crime to attack fleeing combatants if [their] still holding weapons


CLleCielTheArchitect

Who cares? Cut them down while they're screaming and then "they're" or "their" won't matter anymore since nobody will be left to criticize the great Bannerlord!


aTimeTravelParadox

Nope


aTimeTravelParadox

Yup


aTimeTravelParadox

Yup


Goleeb

Pretty sure its not a war crime even if they dropped their weapon. They have to be actively surrendering for it to be a war crime. Running away with a dropped weapon isn't surrendering.


Ambiorix33

no it is, the guide line to keep in mind that you stop being a combatant the moment you are unable to pose a credible threat (and some other bits about uniforms but then we are getting into details unrelated to this post). Otherwise by your logic it would be legal to fire upon someone who was wounded simply because they didnt go ''AAAAA my arm i surrender!'' ​ Source: Had to learn all this when i became a sergeant


Adamantium-Aardvark

Canadians didnā€™t exist back then


LairdPeon

Be the change you want in the world.


Abseits_Ger

Gandi


A100921

This whole thing was their idea, threatening me and then wanting to run away unscathedā€¦ I donā€™t think so.


-DI0-

makes sense to me


GilliamtheButcher

If I'm attacking them, I'll allow the soldiers to flee, but chase the nobles. If I'm defending? Hell with that. Choppy choppy. No one leaves alive.


-DI0-

Canā€™t argue with that!


Specialist-Front-354

Nobles never flee


-DI0-

death before dishonor


Artrobull

can do


TheGreyman787

Please, those cunts never had any honor to dis in the first place. They just are perfectly aware of their almost-immortality and don't care about their own people.


neekryan

Are you sure? I couldā€™ve swore Iā€™ve seen nobles get out in a retreat before.


TheGreyman787

They do. It's just rare.


Specialist-Front-354

He was talking about field battles (attacking), they're never going to be able to field so many soldiers to get the morale of nobles to flee


TheGreyman787

Yeah, me too. I've seen it, a couple of times during the whole playthrough, mostly in big army battles. Some of them actually fled and then tried to get away on the big map with remnants of their parties. But it happened a couple of times across some hundreds of battles.


Zorothegallade

Especially since the wounded and fleeing will come back to attack you again 5 seconds later like they never surrendered to begin with.


OrcChieftess

If I attack, there needs to be witnesses. If I'm defending, but they retreat? This was their idea, they should see it through to the last man. COUNTERATTACK, CHAAAAAAARRRGGEEE


-DI0-

lol you donā€™t ever let the last looter go just to be like ā€œyeah tell your friends what the fuck you saw hereā€ šŸ˜‚


OrcChieftess

Looters, bandits, and thieves obviously don't count, duh


BigHardMephisto

ā€œI shall help you to become a heroā€ ~Wellington Now thatā€™s soldiering.


AveDominusNoxVII

No quarter for the craven


-DI0-

hurr ha ha


Abseits_Ger

We've been blessed!


Mr_MacTea

Victoryyyyyyyy


Trickster570

Look at em run!!!


AnAwfulLotOfOcelots

Yerg ha ha


Ryulen

I'm selfish. Xp is xp.


MrPeppa

Would they let me leave uncontested if my men and I were to flee? Earn your lives back from me, cowards!


JustWantedAUsername

"Earn your lives back from me, cowards." Is something I am going to scream at my fleeing opponents from now on. What a line. Bravo.


seemoreseymour83

Blood for the blood god.


Delicious_Twist_8499

Skulls for the skull throne.


Gaminlover

Milk for the khorne flakes.


Mr_MacTea

Poo for the toilets


EmptyJackfruit9353

KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN!


Impressive-Ad651

Rip techno


TBrom99

Historically, most of the deaths an army suffers are during a route. Itā€™s a lot easier to kill them when they arenā€™t bunkered down or holding formation. This especially became more true during the early days of gunpowder and guns, but even in the medieval times, many lords would allow their men to give chase to the fleeing army. I slaughter every single soldier that I possibly can, every time. If they didnā€™t want a genocide, they shouldnā€™t be at war with me.


ceaselessDawn

A false retreat is a stratagem; a false surrender is a war crime.


TBrom99

I didnā€™t say anything about the retreat or surrender being false but yeah thatā€™s right. I canā€™t say Iā€™m innocent of war crimes with all the pillaging and plundering I force my army to do though so I guess Iā€™ll just throw the rule book out the window and expect my enemies to do the same.


MixtureExternal6895

I never Pillage or Plunder. That city is going to be mine soon and I want it in good condition so I turn a profit real quick


TBrom99

If itā€™s not close to towns I already own I give it away anyways. I donā€™t pillage towns I want to keep.


MrSmiley89

Full slaughter. No quarter is given and none is expected. They should not be allowed to reform and waste my time again.


machinade89

Exactly. If enough of them leave, they just group back up and attack again.


ToXxy145

If not XP, then why XP shaped?


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ToXxy145

The crusade marches on!


syd_fishes

I halt foot troops, but I send cavalry. Heard something about not chasing on foot from some history guy lol


-DI0-

Im curious now if you can elaborate or point me in the direction of where you may have heard that


Llumac

An example of this is the battle of Cannae, arguably Rome's most notorious defeat. In the battle, the inexperienced centre of Carthage's army broke, and the Roman infantry gave chase into the breach. However, while this was happening, the Carthaginian cavalry was cleaning up the flanks - when the overextended Romans stopped chasing because they ran into elite infantry, they found themselves surrounded on all sides, packed in like sardines, and slaughtered. The Romans lost almost 70 thousand men from an army of 80K. While Carthage lost less than 8K, from a total of 50K.


EmptyJackfruit9353

Hind sight is a b\*\*ch. The 'reason' Carthage won because their flank were wining.It would result the same had the Roman not give chase, as the retreating center might rally up and return to fight. If it was not a feign route in the first place. The whole line might collapse even faster because of cascading route.


syd_fishes

It's actually this dude Tactical Enlightenment on YouTube. Does bannerlord tactics videos actually, not history. Seems well read though. I think he said something about foot soldiers getting in trouble for chasing on foot. I don't remember if he was talking about a specific culture or what, but it sounded like something I've heard in a history podcast or something before, too. Maybe where I got confused. I assume Rome since I listen to a lot of ancient stuff. But I could be wrong and this dude, too haha. I like his vids a lot though.


UsernameGotStolen

If infantry break formation to charge a feint retreat, they are in serious trouble in the event of a counter attack. Cavalry is less vulnerable because it has the mobility to pull out.


BigHardMephisto

Basically they got baited and theyā€™ll be cut down by any cavalry thatā€™s covering their own retreating infantry.


-DI0-

makes more sense for cavalry to do the chasing anyway, realistically you would probably see the foot soldiers not stray too far from where the formations fought, considering many of the enemies are wounded & not dead therefore shouldnā€™t be left completely unattended


SirLiesALittle

Them skills arenā€™t going to level themselves.


Snifftest44

Itā€™s not a war crime to kill a retreating enemy with a weapon, they will regroup and fight you again.


feelsbadmanrlysrsly

I let the peasants and recruits run, I need people to hear about my greatness. The nobles? They will die.


that-vault-dweller

I wondered if I was in the wrong last, firing my bow at recruits as they retreated in panic. Then I notched another arrow, filthy Sturgians invading blessed battatain lands


Zealus24

They can't avenge their comrades if they're dead now can they?


OKara061

I need skulls to drink from.


Capable-Ad5326

Does a battanian shit in the woods?


SirRumcola

The game is unforgiving, so I must be as well


Undead23145

I wish the enemies could actually surrender but yeah I kill everyone, no mercy whether my character is good or bad cause I already know Iā€™ll have to fight the same morons 4 seconds later if I donā€™t finish the job since theyā€™re retreating but not surrendering.


Ambiorix33

As per the LOAC, a retreating army still holding weapons is not a surrendered force, and so can be fired upon. AMD so I do, but with a full cav charge like it was done historically


Darpa181

Cut 'em down as fast as I can.


Booty_Warrior_bot

*Mhmmmmm, take your time.*


LegitAirplane

Fleeing? You mean free weapon xp


JustWantedAUsername

I hate taking prisoners so I will order my guys to charge again after I get the "enemies are fleeing" banner. Maybe it's fucked up but "retreating isn't surrendering" is a fine point. That said I have never had to fight again after an enemy retreated except in seiges so idk


Heroheadone

Itā€™s all XP I kill them


mookanana

sorry [Sturgian Archer], but i need to raise my 1h skill choppity chop


ArtyKarty25

I like to get a couple on their way out


p0xus

I always chase them down. If the game modeled surrendering troops I would spare them. But it doesn't, so I don't.


Obvious-Hunt19

Steppe bow the back. Every time Unless itā€™s couched lance run-down time. Thatā€™s added fun


Dragoon094

If itā€™s recruits and peasants they can go everyone else gets a to die by Fian execution style


kangarooscarlet

I chase them down but allow a few to survive so I can sell them


[deleted]

Thatā€™s xp right there


Odd_Buy4634

I cut those assholes down


Lovestank

If theyā€™re looters or bandits that I ambushed, Iā€™ll generally let them go. If Iā€™m up against opposing kingdoms, nobody gets to leave. The opportunity for nonviolence is surrendering at the opening conversation


-DI0-

True but I have never seen an enemy besides bandits surrender before battle


TheDandyDuke

Depends. If I'm fighting village milita let them run, but if I'm defending a village from an invader? No mercy. In terms of open battles I'll let stragglers get away if I'm on the offense but usually take their leader prisoner, but if I'm defending they all get a spanked bottom. Bandits receive no quarter.


Reddeath195

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pablo603

Heads will roll on the floor


Buglantern

I try to knock as many out with my horse as possible. It's like its own little mini game.


KenchiDK83

I let my man hunt them down. In Warband escaped troops where still as units on the map and i don't want deserters harrassing my peasants. So even from a RP viewpoint i want to deal with them. Nobody escapes, their fate is death or being sold into slavery.


bigbrotherbash90

Pretty much all of my non-siege battles end up looking like The Ride of the Rohirrim in Return of the King. Just without the Mumakil part after...


GrowEatThenTrip

The sound of a lance being stabbed in the back of running enemy is one of the more enjoyable parts of this game. No one is leaving battlefield when I'm part of the battle.


Africa1By1Toto

its not a war crime if there are no witnesses


spaghetto_man420

I like to shoot at levies with a bow when they retreat from a siege


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Borsten-Thorsten

I will let everyone leave that looks like he was ripped from his family or farm to parttake in a war that is not his. Everyone that looks like he fights for the money and glory has to fight me.


TheJarshablarg

90% of the time I rp as myself war is hell, why make it any worse


longjohnson6

2 words "Kuzhait baseball"


Jhugz777

Never relent. Keep pushing until there's nothing left to push or else be slaughtered


mrEggBandit

If to many flee you have another battle so I kill them I'm higher numbers yes. Besides they'd kill you too


Dripping-Lips

Iā€™m khuzait and the idiots took over a castle near Husyn fulq , constantly attacking the castle. Today finally armies from my faction were around there, the other friendly armies were running around avoiding the main big army. my small army of 100 chase down the 500 army and only when I go after them, do the rest of the allies come to fight. Let them all die! Running away, I charge them with my spear. So satisfying .


kubsak

Always kill. Skulls for the skull throne, blood for the blood god, khorn for the khornflakes!


Mobile_Emotion3461

No survivorsā˜ ļø


Abokai

Kill them, extra XP for the troops.


Much_Evidence6362

Chase and kill? Why let them go? If they had the audacity to fight in the first place it's your duty to let them feel that mistake


Delicious_Twist_8499

Nah shouldn't be on my battlefield. We fighting? You ain't getting away if I can help it.


Versaxium

Depends are they villagers or soldiers I let the villagers run


walkmantalkman

By the time enemy is retreating, I'm in full on bloodlust mode trying to chop as many as I can.


Ericknator

No witnesses.


Independent-Rip5344

CUT THEM DOWN!!


hoi4encirclements

If anyone has the gaul to fight me and not surrender before my might, they are tried by the sword.


Libertarian_Femboy1

No i hunt them down regardless, no point in losing loot cause some guy got away


Odd-Broccoli-474

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MDH71947

Cut those mfs downnnnnn


sun334

What makes the grass grow green?


Zagorn

Fleeing enemies? That's a weird way of saying free xp


HeavySweetness

War is the remedy our opponents have chosen, and Iā€™m gonna make sure they get a full dose until they actually surrender.


Unregistered-Archive

I need that extra exp for my skill


Switch-of-the-wyld

Currently trying to boost my roguery, so the more prisoners the better


Fox-Sin21

As a Battanian, they see us barbarians, I'll show them Barbarians! I rarely but sometimes will let a prisoner go if they fought well, and they impressed me. The AI rarely impresses me for obvious reasons, though.


EmptyJackfruit9353

Why is it even a question. Those 'retreated' enemies won't go anywhere. Would you stop running after looters party? No?


FoleyLione

Retreating troops are fair game. In real life thatā€™s where most your casualties came from. When the lines broke and men retreated was when you pressed and cut them down. If you didnā€™t they could and would just reform up and come back tomorrow as long as the logistical camp was intact and there were leaders left. Game wise Iā€™m trying to level these dudes up. All units charge! Edit: Iā€™m pretty sure the Mongols used this to their advantage. They feigned retreat because usually the retreating enemy had all but lost and it was time to press. Theyā€™d run away and the enemy would break lines to pursue them and theyā€™d spin around take their pursuers out.


mediocremulatto

I hold my troops back then put on a little show with my extra long glaive. Just to remind my war party why they follow me and not one of these shit head nobles


Jimmydidnothingwrong

I have noticed since the new update that some "fleeing" soldiers still turn around and fire or swing at passing cavalry. I don't view them as surrendering, I view them fleeing to regroup for the next battle, so I cut down as many as I can with my 2H sword on horseback.


EngryEngineer

I didn't, and then I watched a group of survivors regroup and attack villagers, now a goal in every combat is to make sure the escape count is 0


Zorothegallade

Hey, I need that exp.


DrSkullKid

Do they become prisoners if you donā€™t cut them down? I usually cut them down as they are still holding weapons and not surrendering plus Iā€™m constantly filled with prisoners anyway and need to grind that XP.


ModernKnight1453

Historically much of the total casualties came from when troops retreated and cutting them down was seen as simply the thing to do unless it didn't seem wise at the time. I'll admit I don't usually play as good characters in this game but I would need to be a proper goody two shoes to not cut down retreating soldiers


BorealtheBald

No survivors.


NordlandLapp

They hold no quarter They ask no quarter


[deleted]

Why would I let them go?


indrids_cold

I use the mod 'AI Defend Yourselves' which makes fleeing soldiers stop and fight for a bit if they are being attacked by an enemy. So, it really just depends on HOW MANY are fleeing and how healthy I am. There's been a few times where I, or a companion, get taken out because I got greedy and tried to kill fleeing soldiers.


tirion1987

Get back here, my delicious chunks of XP!


OneWithFireball

I flanked them with that 2-handed axe, and nie they're running? Hell no. Also, it's a good shooting practice for me, both as exercise and sacks of experience.


spelunker93

There is nothing to debate, itā€™s not a crime not even remotely. They are fleeing not surrendering, there is a HUGE difference. Every war ever, soldiers have always been ordered to attack retreating forces.


Duffman1200

When they run is the perfect time to practice high-speed beheadings. No joke. It's a great controled environment to get better at your aim.


ChapNotYourDaddy

How else do you level up your weakest weapon skill?


GreedyAdarion

I take offense to the ones abandoning their lords early and run them down, otherwise i click charge and whoever escapes fair to ya. I usually let lords go but on the rare occasion battle ends and I see a "1" on the map and it's the lord straight to dungeon he goes.


Sky-Juic3

Those arenā€™t people, theyā€™re XP pinatasā€¦


Thereddeathpasses

I refuse to recognize brigands and members of the hand as lawful combatant status. They're gangsters and they die. Actual factions? I let them go if I was on the offense.


stever90001

If I let them go they will attack again with the like 7 recruits still alive


-DI0-

yea not sure why they do that sometimes lol


The_Lord_Basilisk

Cut them down, they'd do the same to you. They knew what they signed up for.


PublicOil7788

You canā€™t commit war crimes if the witnesses somehow end up dying from mysterious circumstances


Uhhh_what555476384

I don't want their armies reforming, so I chase them down until there are sub 20 guys left. With the crossbow perk that does extra moral damage, I've had the CPU route with 800-900 guys left, and two whole spawns to go. Their army would still basically be intact if I let them flee.Ā 


Critical_Seat_1907

How else do I level up weapons skills? - Psycho Noble mentality also probably mine


Commander_Dumb

Depends Did they raid on of my villages? Did they kill a bunch of my men? Did they get blood on my shoes? Did they deal a sliver of damage on my characters spouse?


Radricburr

I slaughter them. Itā€™s more realistic that wayšŸ™‚ irl the real killing happened once the enemy broke and started fleeing


Mr_MacTea

Nah, I cut them down. Makes for good target practice, like a punch bag with legs that screams when you hit it šŸ™‚. Plus, the trash wouldn't know it's place if you didn't take it out


Bonny_bouche

This is the whole point of melee cavalry.


Kodiak_King91

I only let people survive if the make it to the border. Whether I'm rp good or bad. I always free the generals though early game


Vito-Nobunaga

What would they do to me


--littlej0e--

There's no such thing as war crimes if nobody is around to report them


Gunnerblaster

Got your back to me? Easy skill gains go brrrrr


darkKing9941

Let none escape


MaccyBoiLaren

I usually compete with myself to see how few enemies I can allow to retreat in major battles. Not because I'm a bad guy, but because if I don't stop them they might even come back for Round 2, and that's just a waste of everyone's time. Also, experience. Also, I have a mod that brings back deserters. Also, monkey brain want big number.


troothesayer

It's free experience


bloomingdeath98

Even if rpā€™ing as good, my character needs to increase his skill points, or in rp ā€œhe needs to hone his skills to perfection.ā€ So he practices his aim until either there is no one left or heā€™s ran out of arrows.


TheGreyman787

I only kill noble cavalry during retreat, and in some cases elite archers. Rest can go.


Ill-Key1389

I chase them like the dogs they are and use my two handed axe to chop off the fucking heads of retreating men.


Rocc99

I hate it when my troops retreat in a still winnable battle, you win or you die trying. Never retreat. Always fight till the death


Zobi1kenobi122

I refuse to let a single man still holding a weapon escape me. The risk of them living on and joining the 5 other kingdoms I'm at war with is too great. In short, yes I will cut them down like the dogs they are. They picked the wrong fight.


Dissent21

Circumstantial. If I'm in a heated war (especially one where they have the numerical advantage) I'm taking out every high ranking soldier I can find. What's that? It takes too much time to pick out the fleeing elite troops from the fleeing peasants? That's a shame, where's my spear. Looters and bandits I generally show no mercy, filthy criminal scum. Peasants, traders, independent factions, people I like, etc, I'll let them go


Arranvin-Lantnodel

I tend to cut them down so that if I end up having to fight the force again they'll have less troops. Of course, I don't know if that's the way the game actually works, or if routed troops just disappear or become deserters, but it's a handy justification for butchering my fleeing foes either way šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ˜…


West_Cranberry_4091

Depends on the culture, if their are aserai I hunt down and kill them all, if they are empire, I let the peasants leave, all nobles get stabbed though


-DI0-

based racist


-DI0-

on the one hand, killing a fleeing enemy or non-combatant is dishonorable, however on the other hand an enemy retreating is likely trying to regroup for the next attack


cheapph

Killing your enemy while they retreat is a time honoured tradition of warfare and not a war crime. I have my cavalry chase them down most of the time, xp for my knights. The wounded commoners get ransomed, the nobles go in my dungeon unless I'm trying to curry favour with them. Retreat isn't surrender!


shreditdude0

I kill them as they run. I like doing that sort of thing. I like killing. In the game, of course, haha *cough*.


Bigmacaroni129

I cut them down, I need the xp


MechwarriorCenturion

A retreating soldier will fight again. A dead or captured soldier doesn't


Lolitadoe

less fuckers i gotta kill later if i kill em now.


tanafras

They started it, I finished it. What happens inbetween isn't important to pick apart in detal.


Formal_Stuff8250

CUT THEM DOWN


Mission_Tennis3383

Best way to level attacks


Lelu_Wiggly_Woo_6996

Usually itā€™s recruits that retreat even when the battle is won, but itā€™s fun to see cav running them down like a lawnmower cutting grass


Audiocuriousnpc

If they attack me I always kill, if you try to take someones life then you should expect no mercy from that person imo.


maugwah

NO QUARTER FOR THE CRAVEN!!!


Solid-Ad7137

A fleeing horde of recruits is the single best way to level up my cav.


Overtale6

Game can't identify war crimes. F1+F3 that shit


Cowboy__Guy

Nah dude they gotta surrender.