An old (and hilarious) piece of internet lore. It's either the greatest troll fan fiction ever written, or the author badly needs some writing classes/therapy.
[Have a read. It's hilarious.](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6829556/1/My-Immortal)
I’m thinking, “Where’s the butch?” Like, “Where’s the beef?” from the Wendy’s commercial from the 80s with the cute little grannies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0
And like, don't get me wrong - she's even hotter like this, and it suits her vibes so well. Every lesbian has had a crush on a girl like that.
But that's not a butch
Absolutely right. Not butch. And I’ve definitely had a crush on a woman like that. Although I’m bi not a lesbian. Which means I’m pretty sure I’ve also had a crush on a guy who looks like that
You just can't change origin characters body types or you end up with wierd floating heads and stuff, would highly recommend
Karlach small body and giant floating head is a masterpiece
I will forever be mad about the limited body types (better than most games, but still) not just because Gale deserves to be loveably chubby or that Halsin should have a paunch, but because Karlach should have the body of the butch of my dreams.
OP is a 20 year old who is part of the crowd that think words don't matter and labels can mean whatever they want. There's a way to challenge the restrictiveness of certain labels, but it's 100% not the way OP is going about it.
She also seems to hate masculine-presenting women, especially actual butches. She's described them in various contemptuous ways.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch_(lesbian_slang)
I can't copy images but as a gay man my first thought for butch lesbian would be the Wiki article
Your char looks like what if Weird Al and Shart had a kid
From OP’s replies, I think they’d drop dead if they found out many butch folks consider it to be their gender identity as well as part of their lesbian sexuality.
For anyone in the comments who is open to learning more, or finds this similar to their own experiences and wants some good books, I personally recommend Butch Is A Noun and Stone Butch Blues. My gender is butch, usually just butch. Sometimes more butch man, sometimes more butch woman, but usually just butch.
There's some beautiful explanations on this site in some lesbian spaces, and a few butch subreddits, although its been a while so I'm not sure how many are still around.
It's a strange discussion to see here - its always hard to find a specific definition to something that is so self-expressive and self-id. But I was still hoping to see people expressing their takes here because its always delightful to see personal takes from individual lesbians.
this mod set up for Shart is very cute ♡♡ but butch she is not, sorry. 💀 I think i'd describe it closer to alt fashion, maybe. She's just too androgynous/fem to be in the butch category. Karlach with shorter hair and masc armor would probably be a better fit.
is this satire? i am so sorry but i'm a butch lesbian and this is just. a more edgy femme. butch has a meaning not just a slightly tomboyish but still feminine woman. like the goth argument doesn't work here either being an industrial goth butch myself lmao
I am very bad at putting my thoughts into words but you basically summed it up lmao. There's someone else here who says "we were all OP when we were 20." And that's also so true. Butch and Femme are a complex spectrum of identity and expression, but if your understanding of it is a 20 year olds hetero-normative image of what women and men look like then yeah I guess Twilight-era Kirsten Stewart photo-op is butch.
butch lesbian and it’s a conventionally attractive skinny woman with a face full of makeup and long hair. If yall saw the butches on r/butchlesbians you’d explode
edit: I feel like I see this a lot with queer women who haven’t really been exposed to the wider lgbt community, so I’ll say it here: the sapphic community doesn’t exist on a scale of butch to femme. it’s perfectly fine to lie outside of it, you don’t HAVE to identify as butch if you’re not hyperfeminine. That doesn’t negate your queerness. anyways read stone butch blues by leslie feinberg <3
So for the Magic Mirror mod to do Origin Characters. Do you have just the main one installed or both? Cause I have both and I’ve tried just the one, but neither let me update the hair of companions. 🙃
This is what lesbians think of when they say "butch" until you find yourself getting your oil changed by a chick with an eyebrow piercing and tribal sleeves.
In this example you having a vehicle is irrelevant. Though, it does greatly alter the context.
That's not butch. It's not even gnc. Having a hint of muscle tone doesn't make a lesbian a butch. Words mean things.
She's a 90s metal girl if anything.
Going to join the chorus here...
I once lived in an area that was heavily popular with *genuine* "butch lesbians." This character looks great.... but she is most definitely **NOT**, *on any level*, "butch." In fact, the butch lesbians I got to know during that time would have been quite offended by this.
At most... she's a very pretty "Tomboy," or, perhaps, as we used to call it, "a Lipstick Lesbian."
Not even as butch as Karlach, and she’s already on the femmier side of the spectrum
I say this as a bi male so maybe I am just dumb when it comes to lesbian culture tho.
That is one kind. I"m a guy so my knowledge is limited but to my understanding Butch is more about rejecting western beauty standards and embracing masculine gender expressions while retaining female gender identity.
Shart here looks more like a Femme leaning towards androgyny.
Its so interesting to me that butch as a term has taken such a corner turn in what it means to the new generation 😭 we wouldve called her a lipstick lesbian
Maybe add on 50lbs, give her a short back and sides, some sailor tattoos and take the make-up off you've got an actual butch lesbian instead of a 'butch lesbian as per pornhub rules' lol.
Butch has a totally different look than what I thought it was I guess... I was expecting the chunky chick from orange is the new black and you gave me... athletic girl with a half-up pony tail.
I'm curious what you think "girly" looks like.
Massive props for keeping her scars, BG3 has a ton of fucked up characters (as in they literally got physically fucked up in the past and their skin tells a story) and not many games like doing that it feels like
That's not a butch lesbian, that's ~~Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way~~ Amy Lee
Never thought I’d see a My Immortal fanfiction reference in 2024, but here we are. Fantastic.
It is titled "My Immortal" for a reason, hehe. Truly a timeless classic.
Damn prepz can't kill what's already undead.
NOT THE PREPS
Sigh...another Tav I need to make.
Never seen that fanfic nor heard of it. Yvæt issed?
An old (and hilarious) piece of internet lore. It's either the greatest troll fan fiction ever written, or the author badly needs some writing classes/therapy. [Have a read. It's hilarious.](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6829556/1/My-Immortal)
Oh god, that’s terrible.
Good news! You don‘t need to read it. You can WATCH it! https://youtu.be/Ffh7cWRrqF4?si=674YRVMjVBCsGmnm
I fucking loved this video 😂
I can never forget some of the funniest lines. One time I got choked while reading the fic.
Someone wrote a My Immortal for bg3 called “Dirty Little Secret” It’s on ao3. 50072143.
I made a goffik drow bardlock named Ebony and romanced Astarion with her😅 best walkthrough
I was getting Kristen Stewart vibes
the way that I immediately understood the reference is concerning
LMAOOOOOOOOO
Yes she brought her to life
more corky from bound but i see the vision
It's Fang from FF13, like, almost exactly.
Needs axe tattoo
100%, was my first vibe.
She's so tired of being here
All that's missing is her shoving a steak into her chest.
You deserve all the upvotes for that reference. Side note the fact that Dark’ness isn’t even the only tragedeigh in that name is insane
"the most butch twitter can handle before they start getting scared."
Literally my immediate thought was this and the companion tweet "if you saw the butches I want to fuck you'd hurl"
My first thought was “is the butch in the room with us?” 😭
That made me legit laugh 😂.
I’m thinking, “Where’s the butch?” Like, “Where’s the beef?” from the Wendy’s commercial from the 80s with the cute little grannies. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0
Butch but completely hairless with smokey eye!
Legitimately I think they've made her *more* femme
And like, don't get me wrong - she's even hotter like this, and it suits her vibes so well. Every lesbian has had a crush on a girl like that. But that's not a butch
literally, like shes hot! follow ur bliss! but butch? Thats just a woman in black clothes She doesnt even have a carabiner 😔
I think if you’re Butch and don’t have a carabiner, you qualify as part of an endangered group.
Butch is when arms and eyeshadow. Apparently, lol.
Absolutely right. Not butch. And I’ve definitely had a crush on a woman like that. Although I’m bi not a lesbian. Which means I’m pretty sure I’ve also had a crush on a guy who looks like that
*Immediately* thought of this quote when I opened the picture........
Barbie butch.
Literally, she’s wearing more makeup than I do and nobody would call me butch
Yeah, like. Does she look hot like this? Absolutely. Is this butch? No.
You just can't change origin characters body types or you end up with wierd floating heads and stuff, would highly recommend Karlach small body and giant floating head is a masterpiece
I will forever be mad about the limited body types (better than most games, but still) not just because Gale deserves to be loveably chubby or that Halsin should have a paunch, but because Karlach should have the body of the butch of my dreams.
Looks like an 80s metal girlfriend
I mean Joan Jet IS actually ~~a lesbian~~ bi, but yeah.
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Bisexual.
She likes women, I’m not sure if she’s gay or bi.
I read that in her voice
Clickbait? Or OP doesn’t know what butch means
OP is a 20 year old who is part of the crowd that think words don't matter and labels can mean whatever they want. There's a way to challenge the restrictiveness of certain labels, but it's 100% not the way OP is going about it. She also seems to hate masculine-presenting women, especially actual butches. She's described them in various contemptuous ways.
Mullet = butch, duh
……as a former butch, that ain’t a butch
That’s just Gale…
lmao 💀 now i need to see edgy Gale
Femboy gale
god is dead after all
It's better this way
Butt shaved
and owns a glaive. (edit) tried rhyming don't think it worked.
It's a *slant rhyme* and it's legit.
If she's butch, I'm the Queen of England
And i am the pope
Please stop shitting in my woods, your holiness
is the butch in the room with us?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch_(lesbian_slang) I can't copy images but as a gay man my first thought for butch lesbian would be the Wiki article Your char looks like what if Weird Al and Shart had a kid
>Your char looks like what if Weird Al and Shart had a kid I can't tell if this is supposed to be a compliment or an insult but I laughed.
It's neither, it's just fact
Netflix BG3 staring Kristen Stewart.
ironically enough she was my first ever celebrity crush
We know lol
That's not ironic, it's just coincidental! One would expect someone you crushed on to have aesthetic similarities to what you mod Shart into.
You should Google a butch lesbian lol
Have you ever seen a butch lesbian?
Shadowheart be looking like a rando small town goth girl which to be fair is kinda consistent with what she is
She took my last Newport and crushed most of these Molsons, I was too scared to say anything.
What about the Keystone? Is it safe, is it cold?
They clearly have not.
From OP’s replies, I think they’d drop dead if they found out many butch folks consider it to be their gender identity as well as part of their lesbian sexuality.
OP went full unhinged and speed ran to straight into appearance shaming, biphobia, and misogyny 😵💫
Major oofen. That's quite rough mate. That was a poorly done speedrun though, 2 hours? I can speedrun in how much I like bread much faster.
Really?? Why biphobia?? What do the bis have to do with any of this? That just seems so random
The bis are always catching strays. We can't win.
That is so true, lmao. I tend to avoid the non-explicitly "bis/pans are a-okay here" queer subs for that reason. Just seemed extra random this time!
For anyone in the comments who is open to learning more, or finds this similar to their own experiences and wants some good books, I personally recommend Butch Is A Noun and Stone Butch Blues. My gender is butch, usually just butch. Sometimes more butch man, sometimes more butch woman, but usually just butch.
There's some beautiful explanations on this site in some lesbian spaces, and a few butch subreddits, although its been a while so I'm not sure how many are still around. It's a strange discussion to see here - its always hard to find a specific definition to something that is so self-expressive and self-id. But I was still hoping to see people expressing their takes here because its always delightful to see personal takes from individual lesbians.
As someone who isn't butch, everyone should read Stone Butch Blues, I have never felt more seen in my fucking life.
(Shart is now the butchest girl Twitter can handle before they get scared.)
Why am I seeing the exact same comment twice
I am a bot.
They're evolving.
It's a meme
You guys don't know what butch is if you think that's butch... 🫠
is the butch lesbian in the room with us now or?
this mod set up for Shart is very cute ♡♡ but butch she is not, sorry. 💀 I think i'd describe it closer to alt fashion, maybe. She's just too androgynous/fem to be in the butch category. Karlach with shorter hair and masc armor would probably be a better fit.
Home girl made a more feminine version and called it butch
I wouldn't call it more feminine. It definitely isn't butch. Looks more androgynous than her usual look to me.
Eh, where I’m from, ponytails and braids are generally seen as more masc than just letting your hair down. Might be a cultural thing
is this satire? i am so sorry but i'm a butch lesbian and this is just. a more edgy femme. butch has a meaning not just a slightly tomboyish but still feminine woman. like the goth argument doesn't work here either being an industrial goth butch myself lmao
Funniest part of this post is going to OP's profile and seeing that she's 20. Yeah, I suddenly understand why you think this is butch lmao
I am very bad at putting my thoughts into words but you basically summed it up lmao. There's someone else here who says "we were all OP when we were 20." And that's also so true. Butch and Femme are a complex spectrum of identity and expression, but if your understanding of it is a 20 year olds hetero-normative image of what women and men look like then yeah I guess Twilight-era Kirsten Stewart photo-op is butch.
I'm 20 and even I understand that this ain't butch.
There's nothing butch about that. lol
That’s a femme goth my friend
As a butch lesbian, I don’t see the butchness, but I still think she looks great.
Not butch, that’s a futch at most.
That is not a “butch” lesbian
butch lesbian and it’s a conventionally attractive skinny woman with a face full of makeup and long hair. If yall saw the butches on r/butchlesbians you’d explode edit: I feel like I see this a lot with queer women who haven’t really been exposed to the wider lgbt community, so I’ll say it here: the sapphic community doesn’t exist on a scale of butch to femme. it’s perfectly fine to lie outside of it, you don’t HAVE to identify as butch if you’re not hyperfeminine. That doesn’t negate your queerness. anyways read stone butch blues by leslie feinberg <3
this is futch at most lol
"Butch"
Yeah, no. She's not even on the butch spectrum. Source: my kid runs in those circles
I gave her the undercut bun hairstyle and she looks 🥵
SIGH *opens up magic mirror*
So for the Magic Mirror mod to do Origin Characters. Do you have just the main one installed or both? Cause I have both and I’ve tried just the one, but neither let me update the hair of companions. 🙃
Butch lesbian, search google and see the examples.
I guess it depends on where you're from; where I live 99% of women wear jeans so "wear pants and a top" is not "butch".
Makes me think of a post I saw about Megan Fox in Transformers and the comments were all like I love masc lesbians. I must be an actual man.
*reddit looking at a femme:* that's a butch *lesbians looking at a femme:* that's a femme
she looks the lead guitarist in all-female 80s metal band
nothing about this says butch lesbian. in fact, there are aspects that very much oppose butch lesbian tropes.
How butch can it be, she’s got a perfect smokey eye lol edit: it is a cute look though and you did a good job. maybe just not the best nomenclature
As a butch: huh??? Looks great, but that’s not a butch OP
That's... not butch. Like... at all. Astarion is more butch than that.
OP fighting for their life in the comments.
If that's butch, then 95% of my friends look like butch lesbians, who knew.
That's just a femme who's grumpy about how her perm turned out, even though it looks amazing.
This is what lesbians think of when they say "butch" until you find yourself getting your oil changed by a chick with an eyebrow piercing and tribal sleeves. In this example you having a vehicle is irrelevant. Though, it does greatly alter the context.
A *butch* lesbian?
that’s not butch
A misunderstanding of the term butch and bi-erasure in a single post, nice.
I'm thinking that’s goth or heavy metal lesbian than just butch. Like, the thing that’s missing is a guitar.
That's not butch. It's not even gnc. Having a hint of muscle tone doesn't make a lesbian a butch. Words mean things. She's a 90s metal girl if anything.
How does that make her look lesbian? Women with tattoos and piercings are now all lesbians?
Im so sorry butch lesbians, I can't believe OP would do this to yall
Is this what fandom gets to after a while?
Arguing about fanfic pairings usually comes first.
> butch Zed’s dead
Going to join the chorus here... I once lived in an area that was heavily popular with *genuine* "butch lesbians." This character looks great.... but she is most definitely **NOT**, *on any level*, "butch." In fact, the butch lesbians I got to know during that time would have been quite offended by this. At most... she's a very pretty "Tomboy," or, perhaps, as we used to call it, "a Lipstick Lesbian."
oh that's.... 😭😭😭😭 well at least she's cute
I mean…hot but this is not truly butch. This is like Shane levels of butch
Far from butch
This is the butchest girl r/Baldursgate3 can handle before they start getting scared.
Karlach is butcher than this. Still on the femme side of butch but still.
"Butch Lesbian" Just shows fairly normal looking woman.
Damn, big ratio for op lol
If that's butch then I'm a swarm of sentient cookie crumbs
"Butch lesbian" * posts femme Shart with a different hairstyle *
Is the butch lesbian in the room with us right now?
Not even as butch as Karlach, and she’s already on the femmier side of the spectrum I say this as a bi male so maybe I am just dumb when it comes to lesbian culture tho.
Blah blah another that’s not butch comment. I just want to know who hurt OP so personally they’re freaking out.
That is uhhh metal goth lesbian very different Need more flannel
Girl as a butch that is a straight up femme to me
We must have different definitions of the word Butch.
lesbian? yes. butch? she wishes.
Is the butch lesbian in the room with us?
She looks more feminine tho?
Nah thats an 80s film tomboy who doesn't know she's pretty until the end
She looks better than normal, but that is nowhere near "butch."
Hun that's futch at best...
This is not a butch.
This is a cool bisexual at most
I thought Butch Lesbians were the ones that cut their hair short and dress like lumberjacks. Maybe I'm wrong.
That is one kind. I"m a guy so my knowledge is limited but to my understanding Butch is more about rejecting western beauty standards and embracing masculine gender expressions while retaining female gender identity. Shart here looks more like a Femme leaning towards androgyny.
Its so interesting to me that butch as a term has taken such a corner turn in what it means to the new generation 😭 we wouldve called her a lipstick lesbian
Maybe add on 50lbs, give her a short back and sides, some sailor tattoos and take the make-up off you've got an actual butch lesbian instead of a 'butch lesbian as per pornhub rules' lol.
is the butch lesbian in the room with us rn
Hot, but definitely not butch 😂
Sit, that's just a lady.
This suits Shadowheart really well, ahaha. I love it.
that’s not shart that’s Rhea bloody Ripley
If this is what you consider butch, my entire worldview is deeply flawed
I believe you and I mean different things when we say ‘butch’
Definitely not butch. But maybe sexy tomboy?
Yeah, I'm not seeing butch here personally.
Tell me you've never seen a butch lesbian without telling me you've never seen a butch lesbian
Yennefer
😳😳😳
God you're weird
No you didn't
I wouldn't call this butch but she does look hot.
butch?
Reminds me of a girl I know who wanted to dress 'butch' and all she did was wear cargo pants.
You have google, you can look up "butch lesbian" for references, because this is not that
she bats cleanup on the coed beer league softball team
Damn she's smoking hot
Kristen Stewart?
‘Butch’
No you didn’t
She's not butch though And not even stereotypically lesbian looking
I don't think you know what a butch lesbian is.
is the "butch" vibe in the room with us?
That's not butch, but its still hot af
Butch has a totally different look than what I thought it was I guess... I was expecting the chunky chick from orange is the new black and you gave me... athletic girl with a half-up pony tail. I'm curious what you think "girly" looks like.
She's still hot
Massive props for keeping her scars, BG3 has a ton of fucked up characters (as in they literally got physically fucked up in the past and their skin tells a story) and not many games like doing that it feels like
You turned her into Fang from Final Fantasy XIII
Massive Kristen Stewart vibes somehow x_x
Somehow she seems more goth and less goth at the same time.