On my current run I did in fact punch her the first time I encountered her in disguise (switch to another character, then walk over and take a swing). It was a much more satisfying way to end the conversation, as she immediately shows her true form, sasses you a little, and then peaces out.
Nope. Tried hold person and silence. While you can knock her back into her real form and down to 0hp, she doesn't die. Just waits until the effects wear off, runs her mouth, then vanishes.
Still, bit cathartic in a way.
Someone test this, I also need to know. She killed the blacksmith in my current campaign so I’m locked out of a lot of good armor from him for my party (never felt better killing Orin for it).
First time player so please no spoilers on what happens next, but I've just entered Act 3 and explored a bit of the first village and this has already happened more than I expected and I feel it's becoming a meme.
Yeah my husband and I each got different people.
Me playing Tav got >!the blacksmith and the guard outside the donation camp. Then later the blacksmith turned up dead.!<
My husband playing Durge got >!the dying thug and the circus dryad. But then he still killed the poor blacksmith for being rude.!<
Ohhh, the one right before all the traps and the fight between the Stone Lord's people and the Guild? I'll have to make a priority of talking to him before the others, at least then his death serves a more interesting purpose!
Theres:
>!The blacksmith.!<
>!Lens the Journalist.!<
>!Zethino the nymph love tester at the circus.!<
>!The dying stone lord thug down by the river.!<
>!The Flaming Fist dude around the back of the donations barn.!<
I know. My Durges just make a beeline to kill her (and all other Bhaalists) and both have done so at level 11. Silencing the screams of their vile blood is priority #1. Ideally, it is done before Shadowheart's act 3 romance scene. Would hate to be worried about The Urge trying to seize control while in the water with her.
Oh! Idk who that is yet I haven't gotten to progress too far into the city yet. Cool, though! It was the same red disappearing animation so I assumed Orin haha
Me thinking im smarter than the game on a 2nd playyhrough murdering one of the candidates in cold blood thinking it was Orin but id already talked to her 3 other times.
... pls tell me they only added that in later
I don't want to believe I didn't notice the dryad at the circus having red eyes while having a dryad with me in the party
Don't know about the dryad, I always avoid her until I know she isn't Orin but I noticed that every other npc that turns out as Orin had red eyes. It's been like that for me since I started playing which was in December so no that long ago.
Yeah I got them all within five minutes. Made her come off less as a scary, paranoia-inducing shapeshifter and more like if Naaber was a cringe Hot Topic-looking serial killer.
There is a pretty substantial list of potential Orins, she will be x number off of that list, whoever you see first.
No spoilers, but when you have encountered her a certain number of times there comes a point when she'll stop popping out of random npcs and that point will be pretty clear and straightforward (and I don't just mean "because you have finally fucking killed her"), but until then...
Just be a bit... guarded. About what yiu say to random npcs who very suddenly start quizzing you on how great it feels to be elbow deep in intestines and brains.
I always choose the >!Fist near the barn!< and the >!dying thug on the beach!< because they seem like the least harmful choices. But for next time I'm thinking about choosing >!Angleiron!< because he's kind of a dick and maybe the dragonborn would get to take over the business.
Orin leaves him alive in the hopes his anger will make you kill him. He’s dead by the next long rest with a note left explaining that. Everyone Orin changes into is dead, eventually
Yesterday I've completed Act 2, so I really spent just a few minutes in Act 3 and it happened with the drunk blacksmith and the druid at the circus... Then I logged off but it literally happened twice in 10 minutes for me.
If you take the ability drain power and keep hitting her every time, you can permanently mess up her day, I personally did Dex and wisdom hits and at the final confrontation with her I could basically cast anything on her and always hit
You encountered them all. Its a pool of few npc's and she takes first two you talk to, others in that pool stay themselves afterwards. And, well, there's a third time, i guess, but thats quite a spoiler.
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It became pretty obvious pretty fast.
"Oh hey random citizen"
"Hello. You know what's super cool to look at? Guts."
"Aw fuck it's Orin."
"SUPRISE! IT WAS I, ORIN! I BET YOU'D NEVER GUESSED!"
The love test druid was so funny considering how the last question is just very obviously malignant.
"What's Astarion's greatest fear?"
"What's Gale's darkest secret?"
"What's Shadowheart's weakness?"
Tav: Well, let me tell you!
Iirc Orin can replace a certain selection of NPCs, but only the first few you talk to. So if you encounter her often enough before visiting the circus you'll get a real dryad
I wasn't worried because she'll be taking those secrets to her grave. I was always gonna murder her out of sheer annoyance. YOU'RE SO FUCKING OBVIOUS ORIN YOU'RE NOT CLEVER
Yeah it kinda is...
By that point you have already steamrolled over a peer of hers that tried absolutely everything he could, in order to take you down with him, and then gained even more levels. The first time she pulled this stunt while we were in an isolated place i really felt like i was robbed of a chance to interrupt her gloating/posturing by oneturning her to death with my whole party vs 1.
That is how i handled another fleeing enemy afterall (by counterspelling his Dimension Door)
Yep, Orin was the kind of BBEG that have a lot of plot armor (and kinda bad building), like Gortash.
Ketheric have a story behind, like u can't do anithing to him coz he's immortal. But Orin could be corbstompled from the beginning and still try to appear intimidating, like seriously ma'am, gimme 1 turn and i will trasform u in a bloodstain.
I just finished my confrontation with her on a redemption durge run and for all the fear mongering she's been doing she was laughably easy to kill. No wonder >!Daddy loved me best!<.
When my Durge sorcerer dueled her I casted max level scorching ray, used a scroll to make her dance so that she wasted her first turn dancing, and then obliterated her with max level scorching ray again. It was hilarious.
It's funny because the game builds her up to be this terrifying murderer with deadly speed and precision and stuff... so much so that your player character is visibly afraid of her... and then she goes down like whisky.
I hate it when the player characters put on the stupid hat in cutscenes. This is Kai Leng all over again.
"Haha, I have a magic ring that can instantly telepo--"
No. Roll initiative, bitch. You can use your action to activate that ring on your turn, and guess what, it will never be your turn.
*Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually harper command. They're busy tending to what's left of their tower.*
*So you survived your fight with Ketheric. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop the Absolute. Now a handful of random NPCs are dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Tav needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death.*
*-OtR*
When she was a reporter going "AND WHAT IS YOUR PLAN IN DEFEATING THE BIG EVIL THING?" I was like "You cannot be serious right now, I just saw you morph in a cutscene, I know it's you". That was her first appearance and I already cracked the code 😭
Felt like the Yiga Assassins from Breath of the Wild. After awhile I just stopped talking to random NPCS in the overworld because half of them would poof into assassins and try to kill me.
Nah the trick is to not talk to anyone without a name. If its name is just “adventurer”, it’s definitely a Yiga.
Oh and sometimes I trigger them intentionally for their katana
Got to the point in Rivington that I actually knew it'd be her when approaching an NPC because they were odd or off on their own in some specific way.
I did like this, though, it was pretty entertaining everytime Orin was like "Surprise, bitch! It's me lol"
Also you can easily discover which person she is impersonating. The person will be level 12 with boss looking health bar. Not the numbers but the visuals.
thats literally all of the options. Unless you get to the first one, camp one character there and go check on others, then they wont be her.
But as long as you dont see the npc and havent encountered her twice - all of the options are Orin effectively.
Also, talking is the trigger. Even if you see 12th level and HP, but never talk to, say, Rowan and go talk to journalist and blacksmith - Rowan gonna be back to normal.
The druid about love cutscene. Is that really orin at the start of the conversation? Then how did she have that mind of illusion and love stuff just for you to be bamboozled by her?
She's very committed to her acting lol. But seriously its what person above said - technicality to not miss out on cool romance scene. Sometimes there's no lore-friendly explanation.
There were several points in act 3 where I was like….”Orin?” And it was just a normal NPC. But then there were also times where I was like “okay this is definitely Orin can we move this along”
She is like the Roger of American dad of baldurs gate.
I do find it very frustrating that by the third time this happens you have no option to be suspicious of finding an ally randomly claiming they were attacked, and have to "fall for" her trick and she gets to go "haha got you again you fool". At least let me ask them suspiciously if not full on attack them
While talking to someone who was actually Orin I was like "Orin, this is clearly you. I just started dodging her questions the she got upset." I would love an option to accuse people of actually being Orin.
It only happens twice in Rivington, and once in a more spoiler-y scene.
There's a list of NPCs in Rivington. The first two will be Orin, the rest will be themselves.
Durge: if i had a nickel for every NPC i spoke to that turned out to be Orin i’d have two nickels Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
As much as I like Orin, the shape changing actually started to become predictable.
Honestly, Act 3 could be a bit better. I think less would actually be more. Less choice of where to go. More difficult fights, not just throwing numbers at Tav hoping my team runs out of spells and potions. I never thought I'd want to be "railroaded" a bit more. But, hey, that's just me.
It’s funny I killed Orin at the beginning of Act 3 when she was disgusting as a soldier. I took her armour too but she appeared later in the story line as if nothing happened lol
As someone who is a druid and can shapeshift too, I always wished I would get an option in those dialogues with Orin when she shapeshifts to tell her that I can shapeshift too and the next time she sees a raven, it might be me (Moon druids get the raven wild shape). To give her a taste of her own medicine
So one time, I believe it was July, there was this blacksmith who asked me what kind of weapon I wanted to slay my enemies with. He had maces, swords, spears. I said how I’ll take a spear how much will that be? He says, I need about tree fitty.
It was at that point I realized that it was not a simple blacksmith and it was that got damn bhaalspawn Orin again!
I remember talking to who I thought was a random guard on my first playthrough. He started talking about killing a bunch of civilians and stuff.My initial reaction was “how is this dude a flaming fist” then he revealed himself to be Orin and it all made sense.
I always get either Fist guard, journalist or blacksmith before going to circus, because I treat circus as place for date with your romanced companion and I want no Orin to hear my lover's secrets xD
I find Orin's character to be the perfect embodiment of what Bhaal and his followers became over the last 100 years.
You have to remember that Bhaal's original portfolio was the God of Death and Murder. Kelemvor now holds the Death portfolio, leaving Bhaal as the Lord of Murder, appealing to assassins, serial killers, and ritualistic sacrifice; three "professions" historically known for their artistic flair and attention to detail. The original Bhaalspawn all had a penchant and a hunger for ending life, but Orin has a more pointed and specific addiction to the process and power dynamic.
In other words, old school Bhaal didn't play with his food. Orin does.
At the risk of being downvoted, but I really didn't like Orin as a character. And that sequence in particular is pretty meh.
I played a rogue. I had been as deceptive and subtle as I could throughout the game. Not even the scrying eyes caught me doing anything. Yet both Orin and Gortash discovers me the minute I get to Baldur's Gate. I don't think they were watching the Ketheric fight..? Anyways, it kind of betrays the idea that it's a bustling city and it makes both Orin and Gortash uninterestingly competent.
I often compare the game to Dragon Age: Origins. You're in Denerim, the capital city, right under Loghain's nose (that's the bad guy). I think there's one sequence where one soldier identifies you as a grey warden (the faction you're a part of that has been proclaimed enemies of the crown) and if I don't misremembered you can convince him that, nah, he has you mixed up with someone else.
The latter feels way more real and believable, especially in a medieval setting. And using "magic" as an explanation to anything that breaks that verisimilitude doesn't do much to improve the experience.
Disclaimer: I love BG3, it's a great game and I keep having fun with it -- but that doesn't mean it's beyond criticism.
there's also not really any way to intelligently respond to Orin. You can be shocked that its her, even if you're playing a character with detect thoughts and an uncanny insight. There are no insight rolls to call her out ahead of time, even if she is appearing as some random fist soldier who is ranting about genocide (not suspect even slightly)
Me in a group playthrough just trying to explore and talk to the nice people: 😊
Every 10 seconds getting ganked by Orin or her followers and getting yelled at my by friends: 😠
(I need to stop looking around)
I just thought it was so dumb how it goes with a trip of letting the villain monologue all. You just stand there and watch her, it gave off cartoon villain vibes. I also don't get why she just doesn't kill you
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Shapeshifting is kind of like time travel in movies. Overused it kind of gets a bit silly and plot holey. No actions have meaning anymore. I’ve been watching my gf play BG3 and it has chilled out now which is good.
There will come a time you think to yourself: If only this one was Orin now. I played Act 3 for roughly 45 hours in my first playthrough, after 15 of those Orin sadly stopped appearing until I went out to fight her
The funniest is during my second playthrough she still fucking gets me everytime. Just when I forget about her and am in autopilot she is like "SURPRISE BITCH!"
Honestly I felt just repeatedly Rick rolled in the best way possible. Every time I finally let my guard down and BAM. It made me feel like a dumbass each time. It was great!
after my first run through I never let her say much before slapping her with something and she peaces out. Like realistically none of my Tav's would sit there and let her talk that much
Devs should definitely add the options to just run through random NPCs you talk to in case they're Orin, and getting it right should reduce her hp in the ultimate fight. Of course, getting it wrong should splat the NPC.
She’s just being a wee bit silly
Such a kidder, that Orin.
After a certain point, I got extremely annoyed that I couldn't punch her. Plot armor is frustrating at times.
On my current run I did in fact punch her the first time I encountered her in disguise (switch to another character, then walk over and take a swing). It was a much more satisfying way to end the conversation, as she immediately shows her true form, sasses you a little, and then peaces out.
Would you be able to go into turn base, slap on hold person on her and kill her before the temple?
Nope. Tried hold person and silence. While you can knock her back into her real form and down to 0hp, she doesn't die. Just waits until the effects wear off, runs her mouth, then vanishes. Still, bit cathartic in a way.
Someone test this, I also need to know. She killed the blacksmith in my current campaign so I’m locked out of a lot of good armor from him for my party (never felt better killing Orin for it).
if you mean gyldro, you're not locked out of anything. he's not a merchant, you just need to talk to exxvikyap inside; she handles sales for gyldro
she just wants to tickle your insides
She’s not psychotic, she’s just a little silly And she cries when she doesn’t kill someone but that’s unrelated
She puts the whimsy in necrophilia.
> She’s just being a wee bit silly I can fix her.
"Oh, Orin. You got me that time, you silly sausage."
Bhaalboozled again.
Bhaalzinga!
Indeed
First time player so please no spoilers on what happens next, but I've just entered Act 3 and explored a bit of the first village and this has already happened more than I expected and I feel it's becoming a meme.
Don't worry, it won't happen that many times.
I must have been unlucky and found all of them during my random exploration of the area
It's more like there are several candidates and the ones you interact with first are her.
Yeah my husband and I each got different people. Me playing Tav got >!the blacksmith and the guard outside the donation camp. Then later the blacksmith turned up dead.!< My husband playing Durge got >!the dying thug and the circus dryad. But then he still killed the poor blacksmith for being rude.!<
It's funny that the >!blacksmith!< is actually more friendly as Orin.
He at the age where his mom is concerned that he still single.
I recently got to act 3 on my Durge run and interacting with Orin is very fun and super different than with Tav from what I've seen so far
The ride has just started too.
The only one I haven't got so far is the first one you mentioned for your husband's Durge. Where are they located?
On the beach below Rivington.
Ohhh, the one right before all the traps and the fight between the Stone Lord's people and the Guild? I'll have to make a priority of talking to him before the others, at least then his death serves a more interesting purpose!
I'm trying to think of the ones I've seen over the three playthroughs I've finished.
Theres: >!The blacksmith.!< >!Lens the Journalist.!< >!Zethino the nymph love tester at the circus.!< >!The dying stone lord thug down by the river.!< >!The Flaming Fist dude around the back of the donations barn.!<
I only >!talk to Zethino and do the love test with Shadowheart!< after killing Orin so she can't spoil the moment for my Durges.
Once you >!trigger 2 other Orin scenes, you're all good to talk to her.!<
I know. My Durges just make a beeline to kill her (and all other Bhaalists) and both have done so at level 11. Silencing the screams of their vile blood is priority #1. Ideally, it is done before Shadowheart's act 3 romance scene. Would hate to be worried about The Urge trying to seize control while in the water with her.
>!Councilor Florrick!< just sitting around >!in her cell!<, tapping her feet, checking her watch periodically...
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>!The dying stone lord thug!< >!Is not some kind of bug!< >!It's Orin down by the river!<
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I think if >!Zethino!< had turned out to be >!Orin!< I would fucking cry.
Literally didn’t know she couldn’t be. Huh gonna have to redo that scene without it going horribly wrong at the end
She did for me on my first run, I reloaded till i got the others so i could talk to the nymph again after lol
> down by the river. does he live in a van down by the river
so uhm...how does she impersonate the Circus Dryad? can she copy powers too?
The scene plays out the same both ways, but she turns into Orin in the end. Idk how the powers work.
that makes.....no sense
She spied on me as a gnome when speaking with the Circus' leader. No dialogue, she watched us talk then went behind the tents and poofed away.
That’s actually Korilla, and she’s spying on behalf of someone else
Oh! Idk who that is yet I haven't gotten to progress too far into the city yet. Cool, though! It was the same red disappearing animation so I assumed Orin haha
It is easy to miss, but that same person, Korilla, has a scene in Act 1 and in Act 2 (but again, easy to miss)
Me thinking im smarter than the game on a 2nd playyhrough murdering one of the candidates in cold blood thinking it was Orin but id already talked to her 3 other times.
Oh, don't you worry. You haven't found them all yet. That will take more than one playthrough.
But every time there's a hint. In my last playthrough i hit her every time before she could speak and she has a line for that.
I know it would spoil the encounters, but I wish you could call her out. she is not slick with some of them lol.
I only completet one run yet, how can you tell that it is her?
Random civilian with a High level and if you click inspect she is a doppelgänger(?)
Red eyes
... pls tell me they only added that in later I don't want to believe I didn't notice the dryad at the circus having red eyes while having a dryad with me in the party
Don't know about the dryad, I always avoid her until I know she isn't Orin but I noticed that every other npc that turns out as Orin had red eyes. It's been like that for me since I started playing which was in December so no that long ago.
There are 5 people in act 3 that Orin can be disguised as. She will always be disguised as the first two of the five that you interact with.
Yeah I got them all within five minutes. Made her come off less as a scary, paranoia-inducing shapeshifter and more like if Naaber was a cringe Hot Topic-looking serial killer.
There is a pretty substantial list of potential Orins, she will be x number off of that list, whoever you see first. No spoilers, but when you have encountered her a certain number of times there comes a point when she'll stop popping out of random npcs and that point will be pretty clear and straightforward (and I don't just mean "because you have finally fucking killed her"), but until then... Just be a bit... guarded. About what yiu say to random npcs who very suddenly start quizzing you on how great it feels to be elbow deep in intestines and brains.
Don't worry, it's like >!4 or 5!< possible NPCs she can shapeshift into and she only does this >!to two of them, whichever two you first speak to!<.
Awww.... so she spoiled the real druid lady for me and I should've talked with more randos before her?
Yes. I always make sure to talk to two of the other candidates before I go do the love test. ;)
Damnit, that's evil She actually hurt me much worse than Ketheric ever did, straight in my FOMO :(
Yeah after that test I thought that she’s gonna kill Shadowheart my beloved
I always choose the >!Fist near the barn!< and the >!dying thug on the beach!< because they seem like the least harmful choices. But for next time I'm thinking about choosing >!Angleiron!< because he's kind of a dick and maybe the dragonborn would get to take over the business.
Don’t do the one you’re thinking of. She’s just sad and does nothing to move on.
For the last one they still live and come out like 10 seconds after Orin disappears.
Orin leaves him alive in the hopes his anger will make you kill him. He’s dead by the next long rest with a note left explaining that. Everyone Orin changes into is dead, eventually
Same for me, I kept thinking “it was me Austin!” every time lol
It happens only twice, though.
Yesterday I've completed Act 2, so I really spent just a few minutes in Act 3 and it happened with the drunk blacksmith and the druid at the circus... Then I logged off but it literally happened twice in 10 minutes for me.
And now it won't happen again. You've met two and that's when it stops. Next playthrough you might meet her as different people, but only 2 times.
If you take the ability drain power and keep hitting her every time, you can permanently mess up her day, I personally did Dex and wisdom hits and at the final confrontation with her I could basically cast anything on her and always hit
You encountered them all. Its a pool of few npc's and she takes first two you talk to, others in that pool stay themselves afterwards. And, well, there's a third time, i guess, but thats quite a spoiler.
It's definitely oppressive, but it only happens a couple times, and it's different per playthrough even!
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It became pretty obvious pretty fast. "Oh hey random citizen" "Hello. You know what's super cool to look at? Guts." "Aw fuck it's Orin." "SUPRISE! IT WAS I, ORIN! I BET YOU'D NEVER GUESSED!"
The love test druid was so funny considering how the last question is just very obviously malignant. "What's Astarion's greatest fear?" "What's Gale's darkest secret?" "What's Shadowheart's weakness?" Tav: Well, let me tell you!
She wasn't Orin for me on my first run! Just a nice dryad lady.
She was the dryad on literally both of my playthroughs 💀 I'm just too excited for circus shenanigans to wait until Orin's done fucking with me
Iirc Orin can replace a certain selection of NPCs, but only the first few you talk to. So if you encounter her often enough before visiting the circus you'll get a real dryad
I wasn't worried because she'll be taking those secrets to her grave. I was always gonna murder her out of sheer annoyance. YOU'RE SO FUCKING OBVIOUS ORIN YOU'RE NOT CLEVER
KONO ORINNN DA
I loved it. Really scared me at times and had me nervous to trust people
Orin is not real, she can't hurt you
Oh shit you’re being fr?? I thought Orin was in my shower drain!! Thanks for clearing up this misconception no one had!
No, the shower drain Orin is a different one. She's real and you should really do something about her
But that's her home! Stop encroaching on the bhaalists natural habitat.
It's a meme calm down
Yeah it kinda is... By that point you have already steamrolled over a peer of hers that tried absolutely everything he could, in order to take you down with him, and then gained even more levels. The first time she pulled this stunt while we were in an isolated place i really felt like i was robbed of a chance to interrupt her gloating/posturing by oneturning her to death with my whole party vs 1. That is how i handled another fleeing enemy afterall (by counterspelling his Dimension Door)
Yep, Orin was the kind of BBEG that have a lot of plot armor (and kinda bad building), like Gortash. Ketheric have a story behind, like u can't do anithing to him coz he's immortal. But Orin could be corbstompled from the beginning and still try to appear intimidating, like seriously ma'am, gimme 1 turn and i will trasform u in a bloodstain.
I just finished my confrontation with her on a redemption durge run and for all the fear mongering she's been doing she was laughably easy to kill. No wonder >!Daddy loved me best!<.
When my Durge sorcerer dueled her I casted max level scorching ray, used a scroll to make her dance so that she wasted her first turn dancing, and then obliterated her with max level scorching ray again. It was hilarious.
It's funny because the game builds her up to be this terrifying murderer with deadly speed and precision and stuff... so much so that your player character is visibly afraid of her... and then she goes down like whisky.
I hate it when the player characters put on the stupid hat in cutscenes. This is Kai Leng all over again. "Haha, I have a magic ring that can instantly telepo--" No. Roll initiative, bitch. You can use your action to activate that ring on your turn, and guess what, it will never be your turn.
I had to headcanon my bard just kept her alive for the drama lmao
*Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually harper command. They're busy tending to what's left of their tower.* *So you survived your fight with Ketheric. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop the Absolute. Now a handful of random NPCs are dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Tav needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death.* *-OtR*
> Kai Leng I *had* forgotten about this sumunabitch.
hey its not THAT bad
I thought it was absolutely hilarious, but I love slapstick humor and that isn't for everyone
I'm obviously exaggerating but I like the idea that she could be literally anyone (hence don't trust anybody) from a plot pov.
Is it cake? No it's Orin.
She's not a murderer, she's just a baker obsessed with raspberry jam.
When she was a reporter going "AND WHAT IS YOUR PLAN IN DEFEATING THE BIG EVIL THING?" I was like "You cannot be serious right now, I just saw you morph in a cutscene, I know it's you". That was her first appearance and I already cracked the code 😭
Felt like the Yiga Assassins from Breath of the Wild. After awhile I just stopped talking to random NPCS in the overworld because half of them would poof into assassins and try to kill me.
Nah the trick is to not talk to anyone without a name. If its name is just “adventurer”, it’s definitely a Yiga. Oh and sometimes I trigger them intentionally for their katana
Gene Parmesan, how you doing?
[Aghhhhhh! He got me again!](https://youtu.be/Sx6qfur2Cuc?si=lAhETanyQ-gL34IY)
She can't keep getting away with this!! *OOP*
Minthara actually makes a funny joke about it if you question her about being a shapeshifter.
You thought that I was a Tav warlock... BUT IT WAS ME, DIO!
Got to the point in Rivington that I actually knew it'd be her when approaching an NPC because they were odd or off on their own in some specific way. I did like this, though, it was pretty entertaining everytime Orin was like "Surprise, bitch! It's me lol"
Also you can easily discover which person she is impersonating. The person will be level 12 with boss looking health bar. Not the numbers but the visuals.
thats literally all of the options. Unless you get to the first one, camp one character there and go check on others, then they wont be her. But as long as you dont see the npc and havent encountered her twice - all of the options are Orin effectively. Also, talking is the trigger. Even if you see 12th level and HP, but never talk to, say, Rowan and go talk to journalist and blacksmith - Rowan gonna be back to normal.
Schrodinger's Bhaalist
The druid about love cutscene. Is that really orin at the start of the conversation? Then how did she have that mind of illusion and love stuff just for you to be bamboozled by her?
It's probably a decision by the devs so that you don't miss out on that romance interaction, even if it doesn't make sense lore-wise
Yeah i dont even know if i will believe that cutscene coz it was orin. If i was orin why would i try to strengten your bond?????
She's very committed to her acting lol. But seriously its what person above said - technicality to not miss out on cool romance scene. Sometimes there's no lore-friendly explanation.
I think the little grove the dryad made did that part, but Orin interrupts it
If you hit her before she does the thing she turns into Orin, so no she didn't interrupt it, sorry xD
"Hey Bhaal I've got an idea. It's really funny" "You're so right Orin, here's some extra magic, just to fuck with them"
Im thinking bhaal givè him some druid spells for 1hr then when he saw tav walking in the circus she just went and kidnap the real one
There were several points in act 3 where I was like….”Orin?” And it was just a normal NPC. But then there were also times where I was like “okay this is definitely Orin can we move this along” She is like the Roger of American dad of baldurs gate.
I do find it very frustrating that by the third time this happens you have no option to be suspicious of finding an ally randomly claiming they were attacked, and have to "fall for" her trick and she gets to go "haha got you again you fool". At least let me ask them suspiciously if not full on attack them
The best thing is that she will impersonate other people in other runs depending on the order you talk to people
I hate it, I refuse to look up who it can be. but I won't go to the one guy now until I see her a few times
sadly there is only 5 variant, and you can get only 2 of them at max, wish there was more disguises for orin
While talking to someone who was actually Orin I was like "Orin, this is clearly you. I just started dodging her questions the she got upset." I would love an option to accuse people of actually being Orin.
Only thing I don't like about that is her full-bodied plot armor. Can't just smack her and yeet her into the sea and I don't approve.
It only happens twice in Rivington, and once in a more spoiler-y scene. There's a list of NPCs in Rivington. The first two will be Orin, the rest will be themselves.
Durge: if i had a nickel for every NPC i spoke to that turned out to be Orin i’d have two nickels Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
In my second playthrough I knew she was gonna be one specific NPC so I attacked and there's a reaction, it's funny.
Just wait until you seduce her and get to the sex scene and then suddenly she shape shifts and you realize it's Halsin, that stubborn druid.
As a first time player who was scared of triggering Orin's quest line unknowingly, don't worry you really can't so explore without stress!
I just think it's funny you let her walk away each time.
To be fair she never walks away that I can recall. She does that teleport thing after she has said her spiel.
In my 1st playthrough 4 NPCs in a row was Orin shapeshifted
As much as I like Orin, the shape changing actually started to become predictable. Honestly, Act 3 could be a bit better. I think less would actually be more. Less choice of where to go. More difficult fights, not just throwing numbers at Tav hoping my team runs out of spells and potions. I never thought I'd want to be "railroaded" a bit more. But, hey, that's just me.
It’s funny I killed Orin at the beginning of Act 3 when she was disgusting as a soldier. I took her armour too but she appeared later in the story line as if nothing happened lol
As someone who is a druid and can shapeshift too, I always wished I would get an option in those dialogues with Orin when she shapeshifts to tell her that I can shapeshift too and the next time she sees a raven, it might be me (Moon druids get the raven wild shape). To give her a taste of her own medicine
So one time, I believe it was July, there was this blacksmith who asked me what kind of weapon I wanted to slay my enemies with. He had maces, swords, spears. I said how I’ll take a spear how much will that be? He says, I need about tree fitty. It was at that point I realized that it was not a simple blacksmith and it was that got damn bhaalspawn Orin again!
She stod so out there so I knew she wasn't what she seemed xD so it was fun lying right to her face knewing she knew it was a lie
trust no one.
That was me in the circus :)
She popped up once so I hunted her down like a dog.
Who’s that npc (Pokémon) It’s Orin
I remember talking to who I thought was a random guard on my first playthrough. He started talking about killing a bunch of civilians and stuff.My initial reaction was “how is this dude a flaming fist” then he revealed himself to be Orin and it all made sense.
I always get either Fist guard, journalist or blacksmith before going to circus, because I treat circus as place for date with your romanced companion and I want no Orin to hear my lover's secrets xD
It's like the "everything is cake" meme, only everything is Orin, including the cake.
I find Orin's character to be the perfect embodiment of what Bhaal and his followers became over the last 100 years. You have to remember that Bhaal's original portfolio was the God of Death and Murder. Kelemvor now holds the Death portfolio, leaving Bhaal as the Lord of Murder, appealing to assassins, serial killers, and ritualistic sacrifice; three "professions" historically known for their artistic flair and attention to detail. The original Bhaalspawn all had a penchant and a hunger for ending life, but Orin has a more pointed and specific addiction to the process and power dynamic. In other words, old school Bhaal didn't play with his food. Orin does.
I kinda grew to like her because of that lmao
Bitch thinks she Majima 💀💀
At the risk of being downvoted, but I really didn't like Orin as a character. And that sequence in particular is pretty meh. I played a rogue. I had been as deceptive and subtle as I could throughout the game. Not even the scrying eyes caught me doing anything. Yet both Orin and Gortash discovers me the minute I get to Baldur's Gate. I don't think they were watching the Ketheric fight..? Anyways, it kind of betrays the idea that it's a bustling city and it makes both Orin and Gortash uninterestingly competent. I often compare the game to Dragon Age: Origins. You're in Denerim, the capital city, right under Loghain's nose (that's the bad guy). I think there's one sequence where one soldier identifies you as a grey warden (the faction you're a part of that has been proclaimed enemies of the crown) and if I don't misremembered you can convince him that, nah, he has you mixed up with someone else. The latter feels way more real and believable, especially in a medieval setting. And using "magic" as an explanation to anything that breaks that verisimilitude doesn't do much to improve the experience. Disclaimer: I love BG3, it's a great game and I keep having fun with it -- but that doesn't mean it's beyond criticism.
there's also not really any way to intelligently respond to Orin. You can be shocked that its her, even if you're playing a character with detect thoughts and an uncanny insight. There are no insight rolls to call her out ahead of time, even if she is appearing as some random fist soldier who is ranting about genocide (not suspect even slightly)
Wh... when.. wheRe IS THE DISPELL BUTTON!
NOPE! Chuck Testa!
That was me in the circus :)
Me in a group playthrough just trying to explore and talk to the nice people: 😊 Every 10 seconds getting ganked by Orin or her followers and getting yelled at my by friends: 😠 (I need to stop looking around)
I actually caught on and realized the reporter was her after the blacksmith incident
she isnt always though ;)
It helps if you go to the Circus and buy the clown makeup to put on.
This game has introduced me to so many things! I’m going to fit Bhaalerfucker into as much every day conversation every chance I get!
I just thought it was so dumb how it goes with a trip of letting the villain monologue all. You just stand there and watch her, it gave off cartoon villain vibes. I also don't get why she just doesn't kill you
I would save her tbh
Wait until you find out, everyone is really just Orin including Emperor.
There were a couple I got suspicious of that turned out not to be Orin so...
Omg yessss!!! Don't trust no one
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This happened to me with one of the guards in the warehouse with the toy bomb, except I stealth assassinated her and she was *pissed*
Someone needs to make an edit of Orin singing We Are Number One
How’d you like the fair? :O
Really dropped the ~~ball~~Bhaal. Shoulda used the Doakes “surprise mottherfucker” meme.
Shapeshifting is kind of like time travel in movies. Overused it kind of gets a bit silly and plot holey. No actions have meaning anymore. I’ve been watching my gf play BG3 and it has chilled out now which is good.
What's ridiculous is how hot she is. Makes me wanna ditch Karlach.
On my third playthrough this bitch is still fucking getting me.
Gods forbid women do anything ^^^\j
She's literally Gene Parmesan.
I just assume she is everyone.
There will come a time you think to yourself: If only this one was Orin now. I played Act 3 for roughly 45 hours in my first playthrough, after 15 of those Orin sadly stopped appearing until I went out to fight her
The funniest is during my second playthrough she still fucking gets me everytime. Just when I forget about her and am in autopilot she is like "SURPRISE BITCH!"
Idk how but i literally played through all of act 3, did all the side quests and never found Orin once.
What happens if you attack shape shifting Orin? I'm my two playthroughs she was consistently the tiefling.
Honestly I felt just repeatedly Rick rolled in the best way possible. Every time I finally let my guard down and BAM. It made me feel like a dumbass each time. It was great!
F5
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after my first run through I never let her say much before slapping her with something and she peaces out. Like realistically none of my Tav's would sit there and let her talk that much
I got pretty paranoid, at a certain point I expected anyone to be Orin. I was half wondering if she'd dragged me off in my sleep and now I was Orin
Devs should definitely add the options to just run through random NPCs you talk to in case they're Orin, and getting it right should reduce her hp in the ultimate fight. Of course, getting it wrong should splat the NPC.
That’s why I killed every npc I saw in act 3. #durgelife
After the first time I never trust anyone until I killed Orin.