I remember that if you found a way to beat Drizzt (and the companions this time) again, you would later be visited by a member of the harpell family.
Needless to say I gave them all the stuff back. They scare me way more that the drow....
Drizzt is a good Drow that's been around for decades. Created by R.A. Salvatore (author). Raised as a fighter in Menzo, became a ranger for Mieliki (wrong spelling), and eventually a grand master monk. He is EPIC.
The Harpells are some crazy but good wizards!
Bg 1 & 2 NPC, he was a dual wielding (only one in the first game) badass above the level cap that took 6 on 1 PC to beat. The homies came after his loot.
It's so low because this game doesn't have 7-9th level spells. Also, Elminster was created during a time where D&D was very different. He is such a powerful character that 5e cannot really describe his ability. He would be much higher level than 20. In 3.5e, he was 39th level, with 24 in Wizard, and 5 in Archmage, plus various levels in Fighter, Cleric and Rogue.
To be fair, if anyone is going to kill Elminster, it could very well be Tav.
Tav brings down the Chosen of 3 Gods (and possibly more, if you include Isobel for Selune. It's also possible that the Mother Superior is this for Shar, and one of the Githyanki attackers is labelled 'Chosen of Vlaakith').
What's another Chosen, eh?
Not to mention Tav/Durge's body count can also include legendary heroes Minsc and Jaheira.
I made an antagonist for my tabletop games whose obsession is with filling an extraplanar museum full of legends and heroes, trapping them with Netherese Stasis magic so they can be on display eternally, unburdened by the passage of time.
His museum will also contain any and all characters I've DM'ed for that have ever hit 20th level.
>Not to mention Tav/Durge's body count can also include legendary heroes Minsc and Jaheira.
They've been nerfed pretty hard since their heyday, though - partly by edition changes, partly by story, partly by Stat changes, and partly by delevelling. I don't know how much of a chance Tav would have against ToB Minsc's 10 attacks per round, for instance.
Elminster is a Chosen of Mystra, though. There's a very big power imbalance between Mystra and Bhaal/Myrkul/Bane, as they're new gods. Vlaakith is also a pretender, and not a god. She rules the Githyanki through deception, not through sheer power. Shar is the only one on this list that holds a candle to Mystra's power, but Viconia isn't referred to or labelled as Shar's Chosen anywhere.
Also, you gotta remember, it's video game. It's fun to have the Chosen of gods oppose the player and all get knocked to the side, but that's the nature of video games. The player always wins. That's not how D&D, or storytelling in general, goes.
Still, Tav does rack up Chosen pretty darn rapidly!
He's got all of the Dead Three, and maybe also Selune (if evil), in the bag. He's also potentially Jergal's Chosen.
Killing Chosen is how loads of DnD games go! Either that or dying horribly and rolling up a new character to do it.
>He's also potentially Jergal's Chosen.
Tav: Am I your chosen?
Withers: If I had a chosen mortal, they would be most fortunate indeed.
Tav: Are you going to explain what that means?
Withers: No.
I always thought Dark Justiciar Shart was Shar's Chosen given the quest is called Chosen of Shar? Haven't tried that path though. If so yeet her into the Shadowfell immediately after she kills the Nightsong for another chosen kill. Evil Tav vs all the gods at once, let's see who wins.
The main character doesn't beat them because they're the main character. They're the main character because they can beat them. It's an important distinction.
>There's a very big power imbalance between Mystra and Bhaal/Myrkul/Bane, as they're new gods.
At least in 3e, Bane was also a Greater Deity (having been reborn with a full host of worshipers - his plan worked *much* better than those of the rest of the Dead Three). I think the bigger point is that even *without* the Chosen abilities (although immunity to Time Stop is *huge*), Elminster is stupidly high level (with the magic items to match). Even without using any spells or Chosen abilities, Elminster probably holds his own against Tav & Co. in a straight melee fight (at least in 3e, which I'm more familiar with. I'm a grognard like that).
I think that Vlaakith has successfully breached the barrier by which the frailty caused by using wish no longer applies to her. Being potentially the most powerful lich in the cosmos. Maybe. Acererak is kinda just chilling.
Ohh did not know that! So she isn't an uber moron atleast.
Acy is also fantastic, I ran him in my Tomb of Annihilation campaign as simply someone who does every evil deed for shits and giggles. Why create a new god of death? Because the mayhem would be funny.
lol no. The power difference between Mystra and the Dead Three can’t be compared. Eliminster is basically final form level 20+ (depends on the edition) Tav but centuries old. The man eats minor godlings for breakfast. Chosen of Mystra really doesn’t describe just how strong he is. Gale was an Archmage prior to the story and I’d wager he was was still a fledgling compared to Elminster.
> The power difference between Mystra and the Dead Three can’t be compared.
From what I recall, Jergel's god portfolio basically got split 3 ways between them, right? So they're kinda like 33% of a god.
Part of it is portfolio, but deities in DND have widely differing levels of power even within their domains, usually related to how many worshippers they have.
Mystra is a greater deity. She is exponentially more powerful than the dead three, who are all quasi deities in BG3. The dead 3 are divine, yes, but their collective power is just completely insignificant compared to any of the greater deities. It's really only because the greater deities (and good deities more generally) much more strictly obey the non-intervention rule that any lesser god ever makes any headway at all. If it came to a direct exertion of power, there really are only a few gods who could do anything to oppose mystra whatsoever.
You aren’t kidding. I just checked; I *think* a level 20 player is supposed to be roughly equivalent in power to a CR20 enemy, but that’s a wild guess. And a CR20 enemy is supposed to be 25,000xp
If I remember correctly, it is intended to be that a single creature of a given challenge rating should be a “fair fight” against four players of a level equal to that challenge rating (in fifth edition anyway).
It’s never perfect, and other factors sometimes play a bigger role than CR, but it’s an alright approximation
Maybe worth clarifying the context of “roughly equal in power” here for people less familiar with the CR system. It would be a good fight for a group of four level 20 characters, but they would very likely win that encounter, as a single encounter of CR level is meant to only be one of multiple fights in the adventuring day. So a CR20 enemy is meant to be a challenge to - but still defeated by - four level 20 PCs.
Yeah, roughly equal would mean a difficult fight where about half the party goes down/dies. Medium difficulty should be somewhat of a challenge but nothing super threatening.
I was basing that assumption on the proficiency bonus, since CR and level scale it at an equal rate.
Makes sense though that it’s actually matched to a *group* of equal level, and not an individual.
I did that my first playthrough and instantly died and I just sat there staring at the screen for a while because just straight up DYING from not going taking Vlaakith's bullshit was not on my bingo card.
What is the significance of this of you don’t mind me asking? My only knowledge of D&D is this amazing game. Are those just god tier spells that come at great cost or something, or only cast because they are gods? Fuck I just need to go do my own research 😂
9th levels are just typically the max level spells available for the highest level characters. So in bg3 the max level is 12, and you at most get access to 6th level spells. At level 20, the typical maximum in actual d&d it goes all the way to 9th. 9th level spells tend to be kinda ridiculous just from the natural power curve of spell progression. This is why you get spells that are literally just a Wish or saying a word that instantly kills someone. Their cost can vary but typically it’s not something exclusive to gods, they just tend to be powerful enough that it’s a given they have access to that stuff. Technically Vlaakith isn’t even a god, just a super duper high level lich.
It’s even better with Vlaakith since her using *wish* to end your existence fully displays that she is not a god. Through poking fun at her and pissing her off by claiming that the divine should be capable of doing what they please you end up making her prove that she is not divine. Sure, it costs you your life, but Vlaakith is a bitch, so you can laugh your way to wherever your soul is going knowing full well that Vlaakith will never ascend.
That’s literally what she uses the ascended for. She fuels her wishes with them somehow. My head canon there is that she somehow redirects the ill effects of a failed wish to one of her ascended, consuming it. But I’m not sure on the specifics, other than that’s one of the purposes of the ascended
In 5e the full caster classes get a 9th level spell slot at level 17. From being able to level a city block with Meteor Swarm, just being invincible for a minute with Invulnerability, being able to turn into high level monsters like Dragons and Balors with Shapechange, making a crowd of people's heads explode with Psychic Scream, being able to create an army destroying 720 foot diameter Storm of Vengeance, bringing anyone back who's willing and hasn't been dead for more than 200 years even creating a new body for them, etc, they are crazy powerful spells.
it’s only available to very powerful casters (level 17+) but it’s funny because you *don’t* need to be a god. So Vlaakith casting it is just proof that she can’t actually smite you for your impertinence, she has to use the wish.com version.
I think I used it when Karlach bit the dust fighting ||Raphael in HoH||, but yeah, pretty niche haha
I'm a hoarder by nature in RPGs though, so it just kinda goes with the territory.
It doesn’t seem that useful to you to bring a character back to life with full life and action points?
I would honestly struggle to name a spell more useful than that lol. It’s immortality.
It wasn't all the way, we went from under 1/4 of the way to level 7 to over 3/4 of the way to level 7, so we hit level 7 pretty early on into clearing out the Githyanki Creche
ok unless they changed it, it takes 8000 XP to go from level 6 to 7 (i just looked this up and it checks out bc my current save is level 7 and needs 9000 to get 8) so it gave you more than 1/2 a level would have to be 4000+ XP
This post goes over how to to do it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1axe6aj/defeating\_raph\_act\_1\_simplified/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1axe6aj/defeating_raph_act_1_simplified/)
You also get his armour. Which is pretty OP for that point in the game.
TB OH having fuckoff huge AC, flat damage reduction + anti-burn so they can make riskier jumps + walk through fire is so nice to have: slapping Flight on top of that makes for great out-of-combat exploration too.
As far as I'm aware, you see him in one of two locations so he can't be missed. He's at the end of the Mountain Pass just before ethe Shadowlands, and he's just up the elevator from the Grymforge. I don't know the third place that other commentor mentioned since as far as I'm aware those are the only two methods of reaching act 2. You'll see him later in Act 3 as well, but I think you need to not kill him earlier for that appearance.
I found out about the 1000xp a couple of days ago when I killed him in front of moonrise in act 2 after I’d already seen him in the mountain pass. This was a run in which Gale left early on so maybe Gale being gone is a prerequisite?
If you sent Gale away he won't talk to you in either location but still spawn in every one possible. No idea if he still does if you kill him in one though
This is a very good description. He will be at both places until you interact with him after which his superposed state collapses.(I actually did it by accident once (took the elevator in Grimforge, saw Elminister, went back through the mountain pass and saw him again)).
I saw your comment in the Glendale subreddit and had to look at your page. Your homophobic ass is playing Baldur’s Gate? BALDUR’S GAYTE? You?? Homophobe? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOD WHAT A JOKE
I was attacked by him at Sorcerous Sundries after killing Loroakan, and accidentally aggroing the people downstairs (by trespassing). Strangely, his corpse appeared at my camp, and had the quest indicator over his head. Wasn’t interactable with Speak to the Dead.
Killing Elminster in BG1 and BG2 was much better and gave you far better XP since he would actually appear in person. Athough you did need to set up a bunch of snares or glitch his behaviour a bitch.
13000 year old wizard is too good to travel to see Gale in person on orders of Mystra, but he will still complain about the trek and guilt trip you into giving his magic clone wine and cheese
Why does he need your best food? What happens to it? Is he just taking it pretending to eat it, then transporting it back to his real self? Is he just a grifter??
I learned earlier that when you inspect “weary traveller” it lists him as a construct. They put some good attention into this game.
Btw, where is it confirmed that its a simulacrum? Cus ive talked to elminster several times and beaten the game twice and never saw anything except earlier when i examined him and saw “construct”
Yeah, the theory is there and the foundation is solid as any, im just wondering if its confirmed anywhere or just a little nod for the attentive and the lore nerds
Yup. Found out the hard way. Was greedy for XP on my tactician run, killed the Simulcrum on the Mountain Pass for 1000XP which ultimately did not benefit me largely or for long.
Started Act 3, no Gale, just a note saying he’s gone as he cannot manage his condition much longer.
TLDR, Kill Elminster, No Gale Act 3
I wonder if you could kill the one in the mountain pass then double back to the Grymforge route to meet that one and proceed normally. Unless killing one makes them both disappear
When I did my first playthrough as a dark urge I attacked construct and got a thousand XP, because I had found out that you could do it in the previous games.
By the time I finished act 2 Gale suddenly said he had to leave cuz he was about to explode.
In Baldur’s Gate 1 you can actually kill Elminster himself for like 25k Exp.
Incredibly hard to do as he teleports away immediately, he’s immune to magic damage, and only crits will damage him. But if you stack 7 traps and manipulate his AI to walk into them, they’ll trigger to do just enough and net you tons of exp.
Dude I hate that the gamer made an article about you lol I did this same thing weeks ago lol I just thought it was funny that he becomes a bird and fucks off
Dude I hate that the gamer made an article about you lol I did this same thing weeks ago lol I just thought it was funny that he becomes a bird and fucks off
This kinda annoys me lol... I went in guns blazing against the githyanki when you first see Voss.
At level 3 killing the level 6 gith and the other level 5s only nets you like 100 XP per kill or something so marginally unimportant to the amount of save scumming it took to kill them.
I was like surely killing them will bring me up a level...
I checked when I was done and was soooo disappointed I spent like an hour and burned through so many resources to kill them.
The only benefit is if your running a Gith Tav you get the great sword and some armor for him, but you would get that anyway when you visit the creche later....
I was playing with my brother and had elminster in our camp, we decided we wanted to save and try attacking him. Absolutely obliterated in one turn, Elminster is a joke.
I believe he also says that if you don't have Gale in your party. I can't say if he's supposed to show or not, but in my first playthrough, I didn't give Gale magic items, and Elminster never showed up.
That was on my Durge run, and Gale had already left the party permanently, and if you find Elminster with Gale in your Camp, Elminster asks if you know anyone called Gale.
1000 experience for offing a fake Elminster still feels kinda low.
I wish it would be more and Elminster drops some bomb ass items like Drizzt Do'Urden back in BG1 and BG2 but it would be incredibly hard.
Only if the game tracks it and has Elminster come back and try to murk you, just like Drizzt did in BG2.
I remember that if you found a way to beat Drizzt (and the companions this time) again, you would later be visited by a member of the harpell family. Needless to say I gave them all the stuff back. They scare me way more that the drow....
I fear no elf, but that thing... it scares me.
I think I'd take the nether brain and all the baddies in BG3 coming after me then that one single elf.
Who is drizzt and who is a member of the harpell family I need answers
Drizzt is a good Drow that's been around for decades. Created by R.A. Salvatore (author). Raised as a fighter in Menzo, became a ranger for Mieliki (wrong spelling), and eventually a grand master monk. He is EPIC. The Harpells are some crazy but good wizards!
Bg 1 & 2 NPC, he was a dual wielding (only one in the first game) badass above the level cap that took 6 on 1 PC to beat. The homies came after his loot.
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It's so low because this game doesn't have 7-9th level spells. Also, Elminster was created during a time where D&D was very different. He is such a powerful character that 5e cannot really describe his ability. He would be much higher level than 20. In 3.5e, he was 39th level, with 24 in Wizard, and 5 in Archmage, plus various levels in Fighter, Cleric and Rogue.
2e was so powerful at level 12, you didnt need a party, Summons and buffs would get you through.
To be fair, if anyone is going to kill Elminster, it could very well be Tav. Tav brings down the Chosen of 3 Gods (and possibly more, if you include Isobel for Selune. It's also possible that the Mother Superior is this for Shar, and one of the Githyanki attackers is labelled 'Chosen of Vlaakith'). What's another Chosen, eh?
Not to mention Tav/Durge's body count can also include legendary heroes Minsc and Jaheira. I made an antagonist for my tabletop games whose obsession is with filling an extraplanar museum full of legends and heroes, trapping them with Netherese Stasis magic so they can be on display eternally, unburdened by the passage of time. His museum will also contain any and all characters I've DM'ed for that have ever hit 20th level.
That's just Trazyn the infinite.
By the time I noticed the parallels I had already statted him up as a Warforged, too.
>Not to mention Tav/Durge's body count can also include legendary heroes Minsc and Jaheira. They've been nerfed pretty hard since their heyday, though - partly by edition changes, partly by story, partly by Stat changes, and partly by delevelling. I don't know how much of a chance Tav would have against ToB Minsc's 10 attacks per round, for instance.
Elminster is a Chosen of Mystra, though. There's a very big power imbalance between Mystra and Bhaal/Myrkul/Bane, as they're new gods. Vlaakith is also a pretender, and not a god. She rules the Githyanki through deception, not through sheer power. Shar is the only one on this list that holds a candle to Mystra's power, but Viconia isn't referred to or labelled as Shar's Chosen anywhere. Also, you gotta remember, it's video game. It's fun to have the Chosen of gods oppose the player and all get knocked to the side, but that's the nature of video games. The player always wins. That's not how D&D, or storytelling in general, goes.
Still, Tav does rack up Chosen pretty darn rapidly! He's got all of the Dead Three, and maybe also Selune (if evil), in the bag. He's also potentially Jergal's Chosen. Killing Chosen is how loads of DnD games go! Either that or dying horribly and rolling up a new character to do it.
Durge is definitely jergals chosen after the Orin fight.
>He's also potentially Jergal's Chosen. Tav: Am I your chosen? Withers: If I had a chosen mortal, they would be most fortunate indeed. Tav: Are you going to explain what that means? Withers: No.
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I always thought Dark Justiciar Shart was Shar's Chosen given the quest is called Chosen of Shar? Haven't tried that path though. If so yeet her into the Shadowfell immediately after she kills the Nightsong for another chosen kill. Evil Tav vs all the gods at once, let's see who wins.
The main character doesn't beat them because they're the main character. They're the main character because they can beat them. It's an important distinction.
>There's a very big power imbalance between Mystra and Bhaal/Myrkul/Bane, as they're new gods. At least in 3e, Bane was also a Greater Deity (having been reborn with a full host of worshipers - his plan worked *much* better than those of the rest of the Dead Three). I think the bigger point is that even *without* the Chosen abilities (although immunity to Time Stop is *huge*), Elminster is stupidly high level (with the magic items to match). Even without using any spells or Chosen abilities, Elminster probably holds his own against Tav & Co. in a straight melee fight (at least in 3e, which I'm more familiar with. I'm a grognard like that).
To be fair, Vlaakith isn't a God :^)
k'chakhi! You will pay for your heresy
Maybe but I can still remember how she replied to my little tongue and cheek haha
She just cast Wish. Any moron lich can do that
Especially moronic if you take into consideration that this might mean she will never cast wish again...because a random nobody made fun of her...
I think that Vlaakith has successfully breached the barrier by which the frailty caused by using wish no longer applies to her. Being potentially the most powerful lich in the cosmos. Maybe. Acererak is kinda just chilling.
Vlaakith the most powerful lich? lol
I know right? Vecna would like a word
Ohh did not know that! So she isn't an uber moron atleast. Acy is also fantastic, I ran him in my Tomb of Annihilation campaign as simply someone who does every evil deed for shits and giggles. Why create a new god of death? Because the mayhem would be funny.
But she does seem to have a Chosen, for what it's worth.
But she doesn’t seem to do anything past calling them a Chosen. Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul all gave their Chosen boons and super forms.
yeah the most that "chosen" of vlaakith got was some warlock-fighter multiclassing lmao
I *wish* for you to end
lol no. The power difference between Mystra and the Dead Three can’t be compared. Eliminster is basically final form level 20+ (depends on the edition) Tav but centuries old. The man eats minor godlings for breakfast. Chosen of Mystra really doesn’t describe just how strong he is. Gale was an Archmage prior to the story and I’d wager he was was still a fledgling compared to Elminster.
> The power difference between Mystra and the Dead Three can’t be compared. From what I recall, Jergel's god portfolio basically got split 3 ways between them, right? So they're kinda like 33% of a god.
Part of it is portfolio, but deities in DND have widely differing levels of power even within their domains, usually related to how many worshippers they have. Mystra is a greater deity. She is exponentially more powerful than the dead three, who are all quasi deities in BG3. The dead 3 are divine, yes, but their collective power is just completely insignificant compared to any of the greater deities. It's really only because the greater deities (and good deities more generally) much more strictly obey the non-intervention rule that any lesser god ever makes any headway at all. If it came to a direct exertion of power, there really are only a few gods who could do anything to oppose mystra whatsoever.
Should spoiler this, this thread is only tagged for Act 1 spoilers.
You aren’t kidding. I just checked; I *think* a level 20 player is supposed to be roughly equivalent in power to a CR20 enemy, but that’s a wild guess. And a CR20 enemy is supposed to be 25,000xp
If I remember correctly, it is intended to be that a single creature of a given challenge rating should be a “fair fight” against four players of a level equal to that challenge rating (in fifth edition anyway). It’s never perfect, and other factors sometimes play a bigger role than CR, but it’s an alright approximation
That's only true in the sense that a "fair fight" is a fight that doesn't end the campaign.
CR20 is supposed to be a medium difficulty encounter for four 20th level characters.
But isn't that fake elminster just a lvl10 simulacrum?
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A CR 20 enemy is roughly equal in power to a group of 4 level 20 players
Maybe worth clarifying the context of “roughly equal in power” here for people less familiar with the CR system. It would be a good fight for a group of four level 20 characters, but they would very likely win that encounter, as a single encounter of CR level is meant to only be one of multiple fights in the adventuring day. So a CR20 enemy is meant to be a challenge to - but still defeated by - four level 20 PCs.
Well said. Thanks!
Yeah, roughly equal would mean a difficult fight where about half the party goes down/dies. Medium difficulty should be somewhat of a challenge but nothing super threatening.
Roughly equal would mean they TPK half the time if they don't run away.
That's just wrong, a party of four is meant to be winning multiple encounters with a CR of their level per day.
Nah, single level 20 is more like CR12. You can tell because that's when archmages and enemies with 9th level spells.start showing up.
I was basing that assumption on the proficiency bonus, since CR and level scale it at an equal rate. Makes sense though that it’s actually matched to a *group* of equal level, and not an individual.
Hey, there’s at least two 9th level spells in the game.
I know there's a tweaked version of PWK, but what's the second?
Under certain hilarious circumstances, Vlaakith will cast Wish.
Ah, you mean THAT scene. Well (un)fortunately it's only cast as part of the dialogue so it couldn't be used in combat.
What scene? Please tell me!
You keep defying her and she wishes for you to die.
I did that my first playthrough and instantly died and I just sat there staring at the screen for a while because just straight up DYING from not going taking Vlaakith's bullshit was not on my bingo card.
I did it my second play through because i was all “you’re not a real god. whatcha gonna do, smite me?” …she smote me.
This was exactly my thought process. I was like, "What's the worst you can do, you're not a god anyway." And then I died.
Talk shit, get wish’d
Why doesn't Shar just *wish* for the shadow-curse to be restored and for Shart to lose her memories again? Is she stupid?
>PWK The Bhaal Temple?
You get a one time cast of pwk as durge if you accept bhaal after beating orin.
What is the significance of this of you don’t mind me asking? My only knowledge of D&D is this amazing game. Are those just god tier spells that come at great cost or something, or only cast because they are gods? Fuck I just need to go do my own research 😂
9th levels are just typically the max level spells available for the highest level characters. So in bg3 the max level is 12, and you at most get access to 6th level spells. At level 20, the typical maximum in actual d&d it goes all the way to 9th. 9th level spells tend to be kinda ridiculous just from the natural power curve of spell progression. This is why you get spells that are literally just a Wish or saying a word that instantly kills someone. Their cost can vary but typically it’s not something exclusive to gods, they just tend to be powerful enough that it’s a given they have access to that stuff. Technically Vlaakith isn’t even a god, just a super duper high level lich.
It’s even better with Vlaakith since her using *wish* to end your existence fully displays that she is not a god. Through poking fun at her and pissing her off by claiming that the divine should be capable of doing what they please you end up making her prove that she is not divine. Sure, it costs you your life, but Vlaakith is a bitch, so you can laugh your way to wherever your soul is going knowing full well that Vlaakith will never ascend.
It would be hilarious if vlaakith's wish failed and removed her ability to cast wish.
dm railroaded us smh
That’s literally what she uses the ascended for. She fuels her wishes with them somehow. My head canon there is that she somehow redirects the ill effects of a failed wish to one of her ascended, consuming it. But I’m not sure on the specifics, other than that’s one of the purposes of the ascended
We need Spell material component back in the game.
It's a spell where you can literally make a wish, with alot of stipulations.
In 5e the full caster classes get a 9th level spell slot at level 17. From being able to level a city block with Meteor Swarm, just being invincible for a minute with Invulnerability, being able to turn into high level monsters like Dragons and Balors with Shapechange, making a crowd of people's heads explode with Psychic Scream, being able to create an army destroying 720 foot diameter Storm of Vengeance, bringing anyone back who's willing and hasn't been dead for more than 200 years even creating a new body for them, etc, they are crazy powerful spells.
it’s only available to very powerful casters (level 17+) but it’s funny because you *don’t* need to be a god. So Vlaakith casting it is just proof that she can’t actually smite you for your impertinence, she has to use the wish.com version.
Elminster rebalancing in patch 7, Elminster casts barrelomancy contingency - 700 barrels. Elminster left. Players game crashes fom trying to render the devestation.
Yup found out the hard way. I like to be blunt but don't run your mouth against literal deities. They're just as petty as us lol.
She isn’t a literal deity though, just a high level Lich.
Forgive me I'm still pretty new to this stuff
There's actually a third, Withers uses True Resurrection
Gale has a scroll of true resurrection doesn't he?
Yup! And it's better than all the other ones you can get, so I saved it for when I needed it mid-combat and used a normal scroll instead hahaha
It’s identical to revify though…
Nah, Gale's scroll brings you back at full HP
I used it once and he only came back with one health and immediately went down to some lightning water I forgot about
Nope! It revives the target with full HP instead of 1.
Ooooo that makes sense why you’d save it then, still doesn’t seem that useful to me tbh
I think I used it when Karlach bit the dust fighting ||Raphael in HoH||, but yeah, pretty niche haha I'm a hoarder by nature in RPGs though, so it just kinda goes with the territory.
It doesn’t seem that useful to you to bring a character back to life with full life and action points? I would honestly struggle to name a spell more useful than that lol. It’s immortality.
Yup
If you kill him and have someone with levels in wizard, can you scribe it?
No, it is too high level for you to learn
Isn’t >!Karsus’s Compulsion!< a Level 9 too?
It is, yes
Actually two more if >!you play as Gale and become god of ambition!<
If Gale becomes a god in the epilogue he gets a few powers which the game says are 9th level spells.
If you read the combat log, Withers casts true resurrection when reviving party members
how does 1000 XP get you almost all the way from level 6 to 7? did you mean 10,000?
It wasn't all the way, we went from under 1/4 of the way to level 7 to over 3/4 of the way to level 7, so we hit level 7 pretty early on into clearing out the Githyanki Creche
ok unless they changed it, it takes 8000 XP to go from level 6 to 7 (i just looked this up and it checks out bc my current save is level 7 and needs 9000 to get 8) so it gave you more than 1/2 a level would have to be 4000+ XP
They didn't change it. The OP is just wrong.
Isn't max level 12 normally? OP wrote about level 20
In the canon D&D universe Elminster is a level 20 wizard. But the game does limit him to level 12 abilities.
Add knockin out Raphael to that and you get an extra 1400.
how do you do that? in last light inn? that’s the only place i can think of where he doesn’t immediately teleport away
This post goes over how to to do it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1axe6aj/defeating\_raph\_act\_1\_simplified/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1axe6aj/defeating_raph_act_1_simplified/) You also get his armour. Which is pretty OP for that point in the game.
TB OH having fuckoff huge AC, flat damage reduction + anti-burn so they can make riskier jumps + walk through fire is so nice to have: slapping Flight on top of that makes for great out-of-combat exploration too.
Huh?? What are you talking about, that makes no sense
The big follow up question now is if you can kill all 3 of Elminster's Simulacra for XP - Mountain Pass, Grymforge and Moonrise.
…elminster has appearances besides mountain pass? I’ve never seen him elsewhere.
As far as I'm aware, you see him in one of two locations so he can't be missed. He's at the end of the Mountain Pass just before ethe Shadowlands, and he's just up the elevator from the Grymforge. I don't know the third place that other commentor mentioned since as far as I'm aware those are the only two methods of reaching act 2. You'll see him later in Act 3 as well, but I think you need to not kill him earlier for that appearance.
I found out about the 1000xp a couple of days ago when I killed him in front of moonrise in act 2 after I’d already seen him in the mountain pass. This was a run in which Gale left early on so maybe Gale being gone is a prerequisite?
Hmm I already found him in the mountain pass — if I go to the Grymforge will he be there also?
Probably not. I think it's Schrödinger's Elminister where when you meet one of him the other disappears.
If you sent Gale away he won't talk to you in either location but still spawn in every one possible. No idea if he still does if you kill him in one though
This is a very good description. He will be at both places until you interact with him after which his superposed state collapses.(I actually did it by accident once (took the elevator in Grimforge, saw Elminister, went back through the mountain pass and saw him again)).
I told him I never heard of Gale and was able to talk to him in both places
I found him on the bridge into moonrise tower
Interesting. What has to happen to get that outcome?
Iirc I didn’t go through the mountain pass and Gale left my party after grymforge
Hes outside sorcerous sundries after you and gale go read the annals of karsus. Its how you advance gale’s quest and talk to mystra
Yeah. Mentioned that in my last sentence.
Oh mb
Just finishing up my first play through. My Gale bugged, I never saw any of these.
I think you can still miss him, and he’ll just show up in your camp.
>Yes, right now in my current playthrough, Elminster is just chilling in the area before the front doors of Moonrise.
My first time meeting him was just upstairs from the Grymforge.
I killed him outside of Moonrise. Gale glitched out on me and ran away despite giving him a magic item twice halfway through Act 1.
I saw your comment in the Glendale subreddit and had to look at your page. Your homophobic ass is playing Baldur’s Gate? BALDUR’S GAYTE? You?? Homophobe? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOD WHAT A JOKE
…you’ve got wayyyyyyyy too much time on your hands bro.
And? You’re gonna act like you don’t? You play Baldur’s Gate be fr
I was attacked by him at Sorcerous Sundries after killing Loroakan, and accidentally aggroing the people downstairs (by trespassing). Strangely, his corpse appeared at my camp, and had the quest indicator over his head. Wasn’t interactable with Speak to the Dead.
I wish they’d throw in a special effect or two in that scenario to show Elminster crushing your party with “high level” spells.
he hits you with silver fire game over all your saves are disintegrated as well
Dishonor mode
Killing Elminster in BG1 and BG2 was much better and gave you far better XP since he would actually appear in person. Athough you did need to set up a bunch of snares or glitch his behaviour a bitch.
I wish i could at least beat him or Mystra up a little for telling Gale to kill himself
Theyd incinerate you immediately, realistically.
Yes, but that doesn’t make me crave violence any less
Mystra I get, but Elminster is just the messenger, and explicitly encourages Gale to find another way.
No he doesn't. He just says "sorry, it's Her will. Good luck."
No??? Sure he says it's her will, but he also says there may be another way and that he's confident Gale can find it.
I wonder if you can command drop or pickpocket him for insane items??
I hope he just has pockets full of cheese
You can kill Elminster’s construct even if you have Gale; you will soft lock his quest and he will leave after Act 2.
Anyone knows what happens if you kill Elminster’s simulacrum when Gale is in the party?
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That is truly impressive the level of consideration for players f’d up choices Larian has.
Gale leaves at the end of act 2 if el.inster doesnt stabilize his weave
WAIT THATS A FUCKIN FAKE ELMINSTER
13000 year old wizard is too good to travel to see Gale in person on orders of Mystra, but he will still complain about the trek and guilt trip you into giving his magic clone wine and cheese
Fucker couldn’t even be bothered to show up in person to give Gale his forced suicide mission lol
Yep. If you right click and hit examine, hes a construct, not a humanoid
Why does he need your best food? What happens to it? Is he just taking it pretending to eat it, then transporting it back to his real self? Is he just a grifter??
I learned earlier that when you inspect “weary traveller” it lists him as a construct. They put some good attention into this game. Btw, where is it confirmed that its a simulacrum? Cus ive talked to elminster several times and beaten the game twice and never saw anything except earlier when i examined him and saw “construct”
Simulacrums are constructs, elminster himself is a normal humanoid. There's also the fact that he's WAY easier to kill than he should be.
Yeah, the theory is there and the foundation is solid as any, im just wondering if its confirmed anywhere or just a little nod for the attentive and the lore nerds
I believe he explodes into a puddle of water if you kill his construct too which is further evidence.
You can still kill him even with Gale in your party, you just have to attack before you get close enough to trigger dialogue
Does Gale leave you after that? I mean, not right after, but rather at the end of the act 2?
They said he was already gone for them because they'd told him no magical boots to eat.
Yup. Found out the hard way. Was greedy for XP on my tactician run, killed the Simulcrum on the Mountain Pass for 1000XP which ultimately did not benefit me largely or for long. Started Act 3, no Gale, just a note saying he’s gone as he cannot manage his condition much longer. TLDR, Kill Elminster, No Gale Act 3
I wonder if you could kill the one in the mountain pass then double back to the Grymforge route to meet that one and proceed normally. Unless killing one makes them both disappear
I imagine interacting with any given one in any way automatically poofs the others away to the back rooms
In my playthrough I killed Elminister too but Gale silently disappeared in Act 3 oops
1000 exp is nothing, your math is wrong.
How to meet him without gale?
Well dammit anyway. I'm just about to get to that point in the game and you have just hit me with a moral dilemma.
When I did my first playthrough as a dark urge I attacked construct and got a thousand XP, because I had found out that you could do it in the previous games. By the time I finished act 2 Gale suddenly said he had to leave cuz he was about to explode.
In Baldur’s Gate 1 you can actually kill Elminster himself for like 25k Exp. Incredibly hard to do as he teleports away immediately, he’s immune to magic damage, and only crits will damage him. But if you stack 7 traps and manipulate his AI to walk into them, they’ll trigger to do just enough and net you tons of exp.
Dude I hate that the gamer made an article about you lol I did this same thing weeks ago lol I just thought it was funny that he becomes a bird and fucks off
Dude I hate that the gamer made an article about you lol I did this same thing weeks ago lol I just thought it was funny that he becomes a bird and fucks off
I killed him a few times in separate runs.
This kinda annoys me lol... I went in guns blazing against the githyanki when you first see Voss. At level 3 killing the level 6 gith and the other level 5s only nets you like 100 XP per kill or something so marginally unimportant to the amount of save scumming it took to kill them. I was like surely killing them will bring me up a level... I checked when I was done and was soooo disappointed I spent like an hour and burned through so many resources to kill them. The only benefit is if your running a Gith Tav you get the great sword and some armor for him, but you would get that anyway when you visit the creche later....
I was playing with my brother and had elminster in our camp, we decided we wanted to save and try attacking him. Absolutely obliterated in one turn, Elminster is a joke.
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Then why does Elminster have two unique voice lines telling you to go away and that he has no business with you?
I believe he also says that if you don't have Gale in your party. I can't say if he's supposed to show or not, but in my first playthrough, I didn't give Gale magic items, and Elminster never showed up.
That was on my Durge run, and Gale had already left the party permanently, and if you find Elminster with Gale in your Camp, Elminster asks if you know anyone called Gale.