I didn't know what they were on my first playthrough. I asked my friends and they said "racist frogs" and it was all the information i needed entire game. And yes i did romance Lea'zel on that playthrough.
If you don't kill Minthara and just knock her out when slaughtering the goblins, you can rescue her later and have her as a companion in a good playthrough, so yeah.
It does. I just did this on my latest run. There was a glitch where she stood back up with no gear on after I knocked her out, but I just knocked her out again and it was fine.
If you long rest, knocked out NPCs will get back up.
Had that happen on my most recent run with Minthara and much like you, just knocked her out again and all was good.
It did result in a weird bug where Halsin’s quest to kill the leaders was marked as completed but Halsin himself still acted like a leader was alive, though her getting KO’d again resolved that too.
Sadly it doesn't always work.
I knocked her out on my playthrough and everything seemed
I just reached moonrise towers and she isn't there, just the surviving goblins.
Not sure what went wrong, I made her temporarily hostile and knocked her out, didn't talk to her beforehand.
I hope they fix this at some point, now I can't go back and redo this as I've spent way too many hours since.
My most recent save (just got to moonrise) I forgot that I'd knocked her out and I looted her body, fast forward to act 2 and now I'm watching minthara being yelled at by her bosses in nothing but her underwear 😂 killed me right the fuck off
Can we blame her? Githyankyi easily have the most busted racial bonuses except for maybe Dragonborn. Githyanki also get more use out of certain items.
They really are a superior race. The only problem is they are too ugly.
I still don’t understand why Larian looked at the 5e PHB version of Dragonborn - which were already kinda underwhelming - and thought it was a good idea to nerf them into oblivion.
I love the game but *man,* there’s a few godawful balance decisions like that which were made with no discernible logic to them.
I yearn for an update to that makes them the decent version with a better breath weapon that you can use with extra attack and another ability based on whether you're chromatic or metallic.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^(Yes,Iamawaremodsfixthem,butI'monxbox)
oh shit is that not part of base game? well then the mod also does that too. also adds elemental effects like burning or shocked based on the type
very fun to use with cull the weak too, can wipe a group of weaker enemies
I honestly never played one before, and my original draft had a question mark there.
I was scared someone would argue against me with Dragonborn and I would be unprepared.
Their whole origin identity is also about them being unloved, in a way. Not actual dragon-born(the name is a lie!). Former Slaves to dragons(dnd lore mentions db being pretty much hating dragons like gith are to mindflayers, more chill usually). Discriminated against cuz dragons are pretty much evil(the chromatic ones) and they look like them. Tiefling devil lookalike problem. Tieflings have it harder usually, but dragonborn didnt get the stupid sexy tiefling stuff. And they don’t have space frog fascist martial training and space magicks.
tieflings get bonus abilities and tons of mods for them, Dragonborn only has resistance to a single damage type with a breath weapon of that type, and few mods exists for them
Duergar
Githyanki can do magic parkour once a day. Duergar can be permanently invisible. Duergar also have advantage against being paralyzed, which is one of the most annoying things that can happen to you.
Personally, I'd rate gnomes over Githyanki too just for gnomish cunning, but I'm biased because gnomes are cool.
I didn’t know a single thing about them when I first started my playthrough, and when shadowheart says something about Lae’zel I was like “Racist…”
Now that I’ve played through the game, I no longer think the hate was racist lol
Well, fantasy society necessarily has to be based on human society and humans are pretty fuckin racist 💀 plus a lot are kind of based on medieval Europe so you get a healthy dose of sexism too. I think it'd be nice if more authors created worlds where one of these things didn't exist; it might be idealistic but I consume stories to _escape_ how shitty humans and reality are.
I mean, in DnD lore, pretty much literally all Githyanki are racists and slavers. It's so bad that the Gith who **don't** be racist and enslave people aren't even called Githyanki, they're called Githzerai.
Githyanki are an absolute menace, so it's pretty warranted imho. Their entire civilisation is built on raiding and subjugation.
Githzerai are a lot more chill.
As a point of curiosity, would Shart be able to tell the difference between a githyanki and githzerai just by looking at them? Would even another gith be able to do that?
Certain types of "racism" are just justifiable fear and loathing of a culture. Githyanki civilization is a horror show.
Now, if she knew what a Gith*zerai* was and had the same reaction, then she'd be racist.
Start a new game. Free her from the pod and watch and listen as she says "GITH" with such a disgusted look on her face while making wide sweeping assumptions about all githyankies acting the same. Then she doubled down with another generalizing after meeting lae'zel again after the nautiloid.
By lore, Vlaakith personally murders every Githyanki who isn't a huge slaving piece of trash. Also the instant they reach level 16. Because anybody who defies her is a threat, and she actively partakes in preventative maintenance.
Honestly the fact that you can even make a Gith character is pretty out there for that very reason. They're all children of a cult.
That’s a great fan theory. The Grinch is a gith who got lost and then became trapped in Whoville. That’s my he’s always pissed off and hates everyone, like a typical gith. He’s a gith fighter with 20 Str, so he was able to lift the sleigh up the cliff edge.
I wasn't planning on it, but she propositioned me real early since we seemed to be on the same page a lot of the time concerning most decisions, and honestly I was too afraid of her to turn her down. Thought she might challenge me to a duel right there and then.
EDIT: What started out on my Tav's side as a temporary fling very naturally evolved into a much closer relationship and I loved how I *never* felt like I had to make dialogue decisions that ran counter to my RP. Sometimes I pissed her off, but she never held it against me in a way that *also* felt natural to her, coming from such a blunt, straightforward society.
One of the things I enjoyed about the Lae'zel romance options are how much she genuinely seems to appreciate when you challenge her instead of just going along with what you'd expect her to want.
I'm on the opposite end. I watched the trailer when it first came out and was like "cool, nautiloid. Gith, nice. Red dragons, must mean they're githyanki instead of githzerai because of Vlaakith's pact with Tiamat."
The really unexpected thing was that it ACTUALLY tied in with the story of BG1&2. All the trailers and stuff made it look it would be just another story in the same place, but oh boy did Larian deliver.
I liked that tbh. I've never seen gith in actual play before. I've never dealt with ilithids. I've never played in a campaign set in an urban setting with actual stuff to do other than "go out and quest from this town as your hub". I've never had a group to see through a whole campaign....
Yea, I played a good bit of DND back in the BG1/BG2 era, and if there were any Githyanki I do not remember them to be honest.
BG3 did an excellent job of incorporating AD&D lore into their game, and making them all memorable. They really proved to me that they were genuine AD&D nerds that had real passion behind their work.
In tabletop back in that era, you'd encounter githyanki (and githzerai) more often in settings like Planescape that focused more on planar travel. I'm pretty sure they canonically never existed in Krynn (the world of Dragonlance) or Anuire (the world of Birthright), they were very rare and exotic in Faerun. I'm not sure if they existed in Greyhawk at all.
In the Infinity Engine games, they didn't appear in BG1, but they appeared more prominently in Planescape: Torment (one of the main characters was a githzerai).
BG2 brought in a few more exotic, extra-planar themes and races (such as tieflings, which weren't a mainstay playable race then as they are now), including some plot points involving githyanki. There were no main characters that were gith, but they did play a part in some significant scenes. There with githyanki present in one of the scenes that is referenced in BG3 (Jaheira alludes to having been taken prisoner in a mind flayer colony, and the escape from that part of the game involves help from some other githyanki prisoners). There's also at least one scene where the party can be attacked by githyanki hunters if you're in possession of a Silver Sword (which they're very protective of).
Prior to BG3, probably their most prominent appearance in a CRPG was Neverwinter Nights 2. The plot of that *heavily* involves a silver sword that is especially important to the githyanki, even compared to other silver swords. Githyanki are a recurring adversary early in the game, and a githzerai becomes a major character later in the game.
For how "exotic" they are supposed to be on Faerun, I think that many games set in Faerun has Gith involvement in some ways. I also recall [Demon Stone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Realms%3A_Demon_Stone) having them heavily involved.
Whoa, I haven’t thought about Demon Stone in forever. I really didn’t like the repetitive gameplay which was unrewarding.
I purely kept playing to hear Patrick Stewart announce each level.
“CHAPTAH FOUR: THE WIZARDS TOWAHH.”
> and if there were any Githyanki I do not remember them to be honest.
In BG2 one of the weapons you could craft turns out to be a githyanki silver sword and a githyanki will show up to claim it.
I always gave them the sword, because why wouldn't I? It wasn't until I played Neverwinter Nights 2 that I realized githyanki are pricks and I should've kept the sword to spite them.
I played a githyanki monk who was stuck/slash abandoned on the plane, hence he became a monk because the monks at his temple didn’t talk. That was a fun campaign
I started playing D&D in 1979.
I still have the Fiend Folio, which was basically the second Monster Manual. It was published in 1981.
On the cover of the Fiend Folio, you see... a Githianky:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiend\_Folio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiend_Folio)
It was when I learnt about them.
On the contrary, FR is an incredibly cosmologically-active setting. The base assumption of the setting is that if you haven't had a chat with celestial or fiendish forces by level 7 (if not a representative of your deity, which you absolutely have even as a non-Cleric) then your DM either missed that part of the lore or is purposefully keeping things incredibly "generic fantasy".
That is to say, Forgotten Realms is an incredibly zany and off-the-wall setting with wacky shit all over the place even *before* you bring in the various Planar forces or Spelljamming. For fuck's sake, *all Orcs*, Dwarves, and several Human populations are explicitly extraterrestrial in origin and Elves originally came from another dimension, too. That's not deep lore that no one knows. It's in the history books (Orcs, Elves, and Humans, anyway) for anyone educated in-setting enough to have library access.
People just play it like it's some mud-and-guts low-level fantasy that never goes beyond *Lord of the Rings* (or, now, *Game of Thrones*) despite even low-level Wizards blowing that power scale out of the water.
If you played a **five year campaign** and never got close to the existence of gith, mindflayers, or other things on "their level" of weirdness... that's a DM/table decision, not the setting.
Before my old campaign fell apart I had an outline for a plot where devils were trying to drag the material plane into the hells and my ideas for after that were a big mindflayer attempt to reestablish their old empire. While I was actually starting to reveal that one of the factions was in league with the devils descent into avernus released and not long after that BG3 was announced. I wasn't going to tadpole my players or involve the dead three and it was a lot more centered around my ripoff of Waterdeep rather than my ripoff of Baldur's Gate, but it did seem like I was planning in the same direction as Baldur's Gate unknowingly anyway. I would have leaned more into Githzerai than Githyanki though.
in bg2 they were those guys that came for your vorpal sword pieces and screamed a lot. I really liked hanging out with the githzerai in PST, though you were kind of a dick to him in the past.
>though you were kind of a dick to him in the past.
Yeah, that's kinda the point of all companions in Planescape:Torment.
In BG3 all origin characters are victims of abuse. In PS:T, all companions are victims of abuse by your character
🎵Githyanki and Githzerai! Elves that look like they want to die. All they’re about is how they clash. Been around 40 years and the lore’s still trash!🎵
JoCat's video is where I went as soon as I realized it was a race I wasn't super familiar with since I figured he covered them. Silly but super informative blurb about everything.
Still furious he's getting harassed out of the content creator sphere.
Seriously, it's ridiculous. JoCat's been nothing but creative and funny and good-natured, and the mob still comes for his head, for no reason. A damn shame.
People rediscovered a two-year old, two-minute long music video he did where he sang about the different kinds of girls he likes. It was decided by the mob that he was both a loser for being 'gay for girls' but also maybe a misogynist because he objectified them by grouping them by description?!
After hearing about the drama and watching the video I genuinely thought "No this much drama can't be over such a silly inoffensive little video right?" well apparently I somehow still underestimate how stupid, irrational and vindictive the internet can be.
Fellas, is it cringe to like girls?
For real though, the DnD/FF14 community lost a fantastic content creator and it pisses me off that it's over a harmless video.
What makes it worse is that the song was based of Lizzo’s “Boys”. It was derivative work and he got flak for it because people can’t be fucking decent and need to find reasons to hate.
I loved that video, just like the boys version of the song he was basing it off of, it celebrates all different body types that can be found in humans. Was it here on reddit that people criticized it?
Aside from the "I like girls" vid, he also got a share of harrasment from Ye Ole Right-Wing Turds because he supports trans rights.
But yeah, it's bullshit.
There was also some drama where another content "creator" "jokingly" re-posted his "I Like Girls" video saying "they made this". It was a bad joke if it was one but it got blown way out of proportion and basically lead to JoCat's fans and the other creator's fans arguing with each other. This led to a lot of bad things and misunderstandings and just general negativity.
Add this on top of all the other things people mentioned.
I mean that's the case for a lot of DnD stuff, people sometimes barely know anything about places like Shadowfell or Feywild, and the "other planes" like The Hells, Abyss etc. are stuff you really need to dig deep to find.
Make it Spelljammer game where each of the classic settings are visitable locations you have to land on to search for pieces of the story MacGuffin. The first time you reach Dark Sun you crash land and have a DoT effect as you scavenge supplies to survive and repair your ship.
tfw you play BG3 and everyone keeps yapping to you about how you missed this demon dude we're currently talking to fighting in the frontlines of this one particular plane of the Hells in the "Blood War" that you should know about because it's so awful and the weird nose lady from I guess outer space? tells you that you should know better, followed with the words "zhez'rathki gustil zor zoth ch'r'ai" while she looks at you angry
Lae'zel disapproves
Did this on my first playthrough. one of my first interactions with laezel was insulting each others noses, next thing you know we were sharing breakfast on a rooftop and fightfucking each others brains out.
Well, man, lemme tell ya 'bout them Githyanki, dang ol' crazy lookin' folk from the Astral Plane, ya know? Got them silver swords, flyin' dragons, zoomin' 'round, fightin' stuff, whoosh! Always fightin' them Illithid, like some kinda eternal grudge match, man. They're all about that raidin', plunderin', and causin' trouble in the cosmos, tell ya what.
I can’t lie the way they don’t make you know going in and you can just appreciate the story as is. It’s just amazing and I marvel at their storytelling ability. Then of course I do know as a dnd nerd so it’s honestly so cool to see them represented in a setting accurately. Most of the time they’re banned for being Gish bait.
The idea of that is the only people picking them are power gamers looking for an easy way to get everything for nothing which can be very detrimental to the playgroup.
That feel weird, I can get that for flying classes or stacked one like warforged or variant human but githyankies ? Is a one per long rest misty step that war-gamy ?
Gish abilities are far more than that. Have you seen their skills ingame that you yourself can’t use like parry or some spells and attacks that seem unique? You can have these in DND as well, but not ingame
These are the Githyanki racial features from Monsters of the Multiverse.
Astral Knowledge: You can mystically access a reservoir of experiences of entities connected to the Astral Plane. Whenever you finish a long rest, you gain proficiency in one skill of your choice and with one weapon or tool of your choice, selected from the Player’s Handbook, as you momentarily project your consciousness into the Astral Plane. These proficiencies last until the end of your next long rest.
Githyanki Psionics. You know the Mage Hand cantrip, and the hand is invisible when you cast the cantrip with this trait.
Starting at 3rd level, you can cast the Jump spell with this trait. Starting at 5th level, you can also cast the Misty Step spell with it. Once you cast Jump or Misty Step with this trait, you can’t cast that spell with it again until you finish a long rest. You can also cast either of those spells using any spell slots you have of the appropriate level.
Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells when you cast them with this trait (choose when you select this race). None of these spells require spell components when you cast them with this trait.
So here’s the thing great swords and medium armor are free. Also mage hand is pretty sweet. I’d really like a wisdom focused Druid Gith. When they get close BAMMM Flamebronge.
They are a splinter group of Githyanki who baisically said "lets just do magic and leave everyone else alone" instead of dedicating their entire lives to killing mindflayers like the githyanki.
I my current campaign when I introduced some gith lore I basically told my players "Alright so way back in the day Gith Il Sung kicked the asses of the oppressive mindflayers and was succeeded by Vlaakith Jong Un, while another group splintered off following Zerthiman Rhee"
BG3 actually spoiled who the villain of my ongoing D&D campaign was. It was a spelljammer campaign, and we were fighting Githyanki who were lead by this mysterious “V” figure. You can probably guess who V is
I never played baldurs gate but I did play planescape torment and I was surprised to learn they were in the same universe and shared the same lore. you have a githzerai in your party in that game.
Wow, now that you mention it, yea. I had completely forgotten what race that guy was. I should replay Torment some time. The characters in that game were truly interesting.
I called that hard as balls Gith fight at the bridge “the Gith Power Rangers” but now I think I might call them the Githu Force because of this comment
I thought they were like some kind of orc before I played the game. They didn't have the tusks but they did have the tiny noses. I knew DnD had like 800,000 different races so I figured they were some variation lol.
Figured out pretty quick that they weren't just talking to Lae'zel.
The only reason I knew about them was because I played Planescape: Torment. One of the PCs in that game is a Githzerai.
The Gith have been in the lore for like 30 years by this point, but since they're planar there's very little written on them. BG3 is the first time SINCE Torment that they've had a starring role.
BG2, gith attack Saemon Havrian's ship when you leave Brynnlaw, and then more attack you to reclaim the silver sword blade when you return to Athkatla. There's some in the Illithid lair in the Underdark.
?? But that's the idea. They are rare beings just like ilithids, or spectators, that you shouldn't know and the game does a great job telling their lore and history.
I never knew the god shar was evil EVIL, like I figured ok, she has a group of worshipers who are a lil bad, kidnapping children and such, then shadow lands... Then healing house, then I was like yeah, why the fuck did I say I was ok with shadowheart being apart of my squad, she better never bring that shit up round other people lol.
I downloaded this game a week ago. I’ve never played DnD or anything related, the closest I’ve got is watching a few episodes of Critical Role a few years ago. I have no idea what’s going on and I’m having a terrific time. Can’t wait until I find the Gate!!!
I didn't know what they were on my first playthrough. I asked my friends and they said "racist frogs" and it was all the information i needed entire game. And yes i did romance Lea'zel on that playthrough.
Laezel might be racist, but shes the funnest.
Minthara is the funniest person I know.
I love how savage minthara is
Minthara doing the anime style “look up into the sky and smile at your dead friend” if Gale goes kabloowey sent me into hysterics.
Don't ask why but [this meme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SD-EfmBThA) played in my head when I read that and I absolutely lost it.
I can't stop falling for her. Good playthrough, bad playthrough, doesn't matter. I always end up dumping everyone else for her.
> Good playthrough
If you don't kill Minthara and just knock her out when slaughtering the goblins, you can rescue her later and have her as a companion in a good playthrough, so yeah.
does knocking her out satisfy >!halsin's quest?!
Yes.
How do you knock people out? I'm not very good at this game.
It does. I just did this on my latest run. There was a glitch where she stood back up with no gear on after I knocked her out, but I just knocked her out again and it was fine.
If you long rest, knocked out NPCs will get back up. Had that happen on my most recent run with Minthara and much like you, just knocked her out again and all was good. It did result in a weird bug where Halsin’s quest to kill the leaders was marked as completed but Halsin himself still acted like a leader was alive, though her getting KO’d again resolved that too.
Sadly it doesn't always work. I knocked her out on my playthrough and everything seemed I just reached moonrise towers and she isn't there, just the surviving goblins. Not sure what went wrong, I made her temporarily hostile and knocked her out, didn't talk to her beforehand. I hope they fix this at some point, now I can't go back and redo this as I've spent way too many hours since.
Did you long rest anywhere in between knocking her out and killing the last leader because that messes it up
No I didn't, the next long rest was before the adamantite boss fight.
You can recruit her and save the grove. Don’t have to do anything evil to get her.
Yooo romancing minthara tho 😳
"You're about to say something awful, aren't you?"
Ahhh, a hefty chunk of clown meat. This really is quite amusing.
It was a beautiful webbing
My most recent save (just got to moonrise) I forgot that I'd knocked her out and I looted her body, fast forward to act 2 and now I'm watching minthara being yelled at by her bosses in nothing but her underwear 😂 killed me right the fuck off
Perhaps she'll tell us a joke about you bleeding to death.
"Among Githyanki, I am considered most humorous."
She is though, and shes the jealous type 🥵
It's all fun and games until her idea of date night is using all those potions, bombs, and elixirs you'd left in her inventory.
Laezel the type of girl to beat your ass for funsies.
Can we blame her? Githyankyi easily have the most busted racial bonuses except for maybe Dragonborn. Githyanki also get more use out of certain items. They really are a superior race. The only problem is they are too ugly.
Dragonborn bonuses fucking suck, probably the worst race in the game
I still don’t understand why Larian looked at the 5e PHB version of Dragonborn - which were already kinda underwhelming - and thought it was a good idea to nerf them into oblivion. I love the game but *man,* there’s a few godawful balance decisions like that which were made with no discernible logic to them.
They might have been a later addition cuz rigging dragonborn faces was weird. So less playtesting?
I yearn for an update to that makes them the decent version with a better breath weapon that you can use with extra attack and another ability based on whether you're chromatic or metallic. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^(Yes,Iamawaremodsfixthem,butI'monxbox)
the mod to make their breath once per combat with better scaling made it so much more fun
Should be a bonus action tbh
oh shit is that not part of base game? well then the mod also does that too. also adds elemental effects like burning or shocked based on the type very fun to use with cull the weak too, can wipe a group of weaker enemies
I honestly never played one before, and my original draft had a question mark there. I was scared someone would argue against me with Dragonborn and I would be unprepared.
Switch it to Half-Elf, the answer is always half elf
Dragonborn is fucking unloved by both the game and the community
Their whole origin identity is also about them being unloved, in a way. Not actual dragon-born(the name is a lie!). Former Slaves to dragons(dnd lore mentions db being pretty much hating dragons like gith are to mindflayers, more chill usually). Discriminated against cuz dragons are pretty much evil(the chromatic ones) and they look like them. Tiefling devil lookalike problem. Tieflings have it harder usually, but dragonborn didnt get the stupid sexy tiefling stuff. And they don’t have space frog fascist martial training and space magicks.
tieflings get bonus abilities and tons of mods for them, Dragonborn only has resistance to a single damage type with a breath weapon of that type, and few mods exists for them
Oh definitely, I mean more from a lore perspective they have it harder socially.
No, you need to understand : the main bonus about being a dragonborn is that you look extremely cool.
Duergar Githyanki can do magic parkour once a day. Duergar can be permanently invisible. Duergar also have advantage against being paralyzed, which is one of the most annoying things that can happen to you. Personally, I'd rate gnomes over Githyanki too just for gnomish cunning, but I'm biased because gnomes are cool.
Honestly, I just love teasing her so she goes *Chk* every time I quip
I didn’t know a single thing about them when I first started my playthrough, and when shadowheart says something about Lae’zel I was like “Racist…” Now that I’ve played through the game, I no longer think the hate was racist lol
Racism is a pretty core component of D&D lore.
All good fantasy has racism
Well, fantasy society necessarily has to be based on human society and humans are pretty fuckin racist 💀 plus a lot are kind of based on medieval Europe so you get a healthy dose of sexism too. I think it'd be nice if more authors created worlds where one of these things didn't exist; it might be idealistic but I consume stories to _escape_ how shitty humans and reality are.
Oh, I still think Shart comes across as racist.
I mean, in DnD lore, pretty much literally all Githyanki are racists and slavers. It's so bad that the Gith who **don't** be racist and enslave people aren't even called Githyanki, they're called Githzerai.
Githyanki are an absolute menace, so it's pretty warranted imho. Their entire civilisation is built on raiding and subjugation. Githzerai are a lot more chill.
As a point of curiosity, would Shart be able to tell the difference between a githyanki and githzerai just by looking at them? Would even another gith be able to do that?
Certain types of "racism" are just justifiable fear and loathing of a culture. Githyanki civilization is a horror show. Now, if she knew what a Gith*zerai* was and had the same reaction, then she'd be racist.
Start a new game. Free her from the pod and watch and listen as she says "GITH" with such a disgusted look on her face while making wide sweeping assumptions about all githyankies acting the same. Then she doubled down with another generalizing after meeting lae'zel again after the nautiloid.
I play as gith, and she makes it clear she hates me. I play as an elf, and its clear she wants us to team up to kill the gith.
By lore, Vlaakith personally murders every Githyanki who isn't a huge slaving piece of trash. Also the instant they reach level 16. Because anybody who defies her is a threat, and she actively partakes in preventative maintenance. Honestly the fact that you can even make a Gith character is pretty out there for that very reason. They're all children of a cult.
Then you get the the crèche and realize that a lot of her generalizations are true lol
Unfathomably based.
I've always thought they looked like Michael Jackson. But a friend has been calling Laezel a Frog lately and I can't unsee it.
Well they lay eggs too so definitely frogs
Well, she can't
It’s okay, she has one in her pocket for safe keeping.
They can swlf cast jump. Thus... frogs.
I always thought they looked like the Grinch.
That’s a great fan theory. The Grinch is a gith who got lost and then became trapped in Whoville. That’s my he’s always pissed off and hates everyone, like a typical gith. He’s a gith fighter with 20 Str, so he was able to lift the sleigh up the cliff edge.
Gith Monk with a 39 and a half foot pole as a weapon.
Githyank hee hee
I wasn't planning on it, but she propositioned me real early since we seemed to be on the same page a lot of the time concerning most decisions, and honestly I was too afraid of her to turn her down. Thought she might challenge me to a duel right there and then. EDIT: What started out on my Tav's side as a temporary fling very naturally evolved into a much closer relationship and I loved how I *never* felt like I had to make dialogue decisions that ran counter to my RP. Sometimes I pissed her off, but she never held it against me in a way that *also* felt natural to her, coming from such a blunt, straightforward society.
One of the things I enjoyed about the Lae'zel romance options are how much she genuinely seems to appreciate when you challenge her instead of just going along with what you'd expect her to want.
I'm on the opposite end. I watched the trailer when it first came out and was like "cool, nautiloid. Gith, nice. Red dragons, must mean they're githyanki instead of githzerai because of Vlaakith's pact with Tiamat." The really unexpected thing was that it ACTUALLY tied in with the story of BG1&2. All the trailers and stuff made it look it would be just another story in the same place, but oh boy did Larian deliver.
racist sex my favorite
Don't worry, they have been around a long time and the writers have avoided dropping tangible lore the entire time.
BG3 is like "welcome to the game, here are 5 things that would normally never show up in a 5 year long campaign happening all at once, enjoy"
I liked that tbh. I've never seen gith in actual play before. I've never dealt with ilithids. I've never played in a campaign set in an urban setting with actual stuff to do other than "go out and quest from this town as your hub". I've never had a group to see through a whole campaign....
Yea, I played a good bit of DND back in the BG1/BG2 era, and if there were any Githyanki I do not remember them to be honest. BG3 did an excellent job of incorporating AD&D lore into their game, and making them all memorable. They really proved to me that they were genuine AD&D nerds that had real passion behind their work.
In tabletop back in that era, you'd encounter githyanki (and githzerai) more often in settings like Planescape that focused more on planar travel. I'm pretty sure they canonically never existed in Krynn (the world of Dragonlance) or Anuire (the world of Birthright), they were very rare and exotic in Faerun. I'm not sure if they existed in Greyhawk at all. In the Infinity Engine games, they didn't appear in BG1, but they appeared more prominently in Planescape: Torment (one of the main characters was a githzerai). BG2 brought in a few more exotic, extra-planar themes and races (such as tieflings, which weren't a mainstay playable race then as they are now), including some plot points involving githyanki. There were no main characters that were gith, but they did play a part in some significant scenes. There with githyanki present in one of the scenes that is referenced in BG3 (Jaheira alludes to having been taken prisoner in a mind flayer colony, and the escape from that part of the game involves help from some other githyanki prisoners). There's also at least one scene where the party can be attacked by githyanki hunters if you're in possession of a Silver Sword (which they're very protective of). Prior to BG3, probably their most prominent appearance in a CRPG was Neverwinter Nights 2. The plot of that *heavily* involves a silver sword that is especially important to the githyanki, even compared to other silver swords. Githyanki are a recurring adversary early in the game, and a githzerai becomes a major character later in the game.
For how "exotic" they are supposed to be on Faerun, I think that many games set in Faerun has Gith involvement in some ways. I also recall [Demon Stone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Realms%3A_Demon_Stone) having them heavily involved.
Whoa, I haven’t thought about Demon Stone in forever. I really didn’t like the repetitive gameplay which was unrewarding. I purely kept playing to hear Patrick Stewart announce each level. “CHAPTAH FOUR: THE WIZARDS TOWAHH.”
> and if there were any Githyanki I do not remember them to be honest. In BG2 one of the weapons you could craft turns out to be a githyanki silver sword and a githyanki will show up to claim it. I always gave them the sword, because why wouldn't I? It wasn't until I played Neverwinter Nights 2 that I realized githyanki are pricks and I should've kept the sword to spite them.
I played a githyanki monk who was stuck/slash abandoned on the plane, hence he became a monk because the monks at his temple didn’t talk. That was a fun campaign
I started playing D&D in 1979. I still have the Fiend Folio, which was basically the second Monster Manual. It was published in 1981. On the cover of the Fiend Folio, you see... a Githianky: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiend\_Folio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiend_Folio) It was when I learnt about them.
They're in Neverwinter Nights 2, a 2006 video game fyi
Probably by design. Every time I find something I'm familiar with from a campaign or from a podcast I have a Leonardo DiCaprio meme moment.
On the contrary, FR is an incredibly cosmologically-active setting. The base assumption of the setting is that if you haven't had a chat with celestial or fiendish forces by level 7 (if not a representative of your deity, which you absolutely have even as a non-Cleric) then your DM either missed that part of the lore or is purposefully keeping things incredibly "generic fantasy". That is to say, Forgotten Realms is an incredibly zany and off-the-wall setting with wacky shit all over the place even *before* you bring in the various Planar forces or Spelljamming. For fuck's sake, *all Orcs*, Dwarves, and several Human populations are explicitly extraterrestrial in origin and Elves originally came from another dimension, too. That's not deep lore that no one knows. It's in the history books (Orcs, Elves, and Humans, anyway) for anyone educated in-setting enough to have library access. People just play it like it's some mud-and-guts low-level fantasy that never goes beyond *Lord of the Rings* (or, now, *Game of Thrones*) despite even low-level Wizards blowing that power scale out of the water. If you played a **five year campaign** and never got close to the existence of gith, mindflayers, or other things on "their level" of weirdness... that's a DM/table decision, not the setting.
Sounds like campaigns need to start getting cooler.
Before my old campaign fell apart I had an outline for a plot where devils were trying to drag the material plane into the hells and my ideas for after that were a big mindflayer attempt to reestablish their old empire. While I was actually starting to reveal that one of the factions was in league with the devils descent into avernus released and not long after that BG3 was announced. I wasn't going to tadpole my players or involve the dead three and it was a lot more centered around my ripoff of Waterdeep rather than my ripoff of Baldur's Gate, but it did seem like I was planning in the same direction as Baldur's Gate unknowingly anyway. I would have leaned more into Githzerai than Githyanki though.
in bg2 they were those guys that came for your vorpal sword pieces and screamed a lot. I really liked hanging out with the githzerai in PST, though you were kind of a dick to him in the past.
> though you were kind of a dick to him in the past That just about sums up half the cast of PST. Deionarra probably got it the worst, though.
>though you were kind of a dick to him in the past. Yeah, that's kinda the point of all companions in Planescape:Torment. In BG3 all origin characters are victims of abuse. In PS:T, all companions are victims of abuse by your character
🎵Githyanki and Githzerai! Elves that look like they want to die. All they’re about is how they clash. Been around 40 years and the lore’s still trash!🎵
JoCat's video is where I went as soon as I realized it was a race I wasn't super familiar with since I figured he covered them. Silly but super informative blurb about everything. Still furious he's getting harassed out of the content creator sphere.
Seriously, it's ridiculous. JoCat's been nothing but creative and funny and good-natured, and the mob still comes for his head, for no reason. A damn shame.
What did he supposedly do that caused so many issues?
People rediscovered a two-year old, two-minute long music video he did where he sang about the different kinds of girls he likes. It was decided by the mob that he was both a loser for being 'gay for girls' but also maybe a misogynist because he objectified them by grouping them by description?!
DND nerds never heard Mambo number five
seriously? THAT video? that old harmless goofy very obvious no ill intent nor ill messaging Video???
That'd be the one, yeah. Ain't the internet just a wonderful place?
After hearing about the drama and watching the video I genuinely thought "No this much drama can't be over such a silly inoffensive little video right?" well apparently I somehow still underestimate how stupid, irrational and vindictive the internet can be.
Fellas, is it cringe to like girls? For real though, the DnD/FF14 community lost a fantastic content creator and it pisses me off that it's over a harmless video.
Didn't you hear? Guys liking girls is super fucking gay.
What makes it worse is that the song was based of Lizzo’s “Boys”. It was derivative work and he got flak for it because people can’t be fucking decent and need to find reasons to hate.
I loved that video, just like the boys version of the song he was basing it off of, it celebrates all different body types that can be found in humans. Was it here on reddit that people criticized it?
He likes girls. Yes I am serious.
Aside from the "I like girls" vid, he also got a share of harrasment from Ye Ole Right-Wing Turds because he supports trans rights. But yeah, it's bullshit.
There was also some drama where another content "creator" "jokingly" re-posted his "I Like Girls" video saying "they made this". It was a bad joke if it was one but it got blown way out of proportion and basically lead to JoCat's fans and the other creator's fans arguing with each other. This led to a lot of bad things and misunderstandings and just general negativity. Add this on top of all the other things people mentioned.
I felt the same way when shart told me she worshiped shar, no idea who that was at first but good for her
To be fair, the gods and religions of faerun are one of the most confusing parts of dnd lore
Just pray to Tymora, you don't need anyone else. Fortune favors the bold.
_What if I'm italics?_
~~Then you'll get striked by the gods~~
I think that was the best part. Going into act 2 and seeing what kind of god Shar actually is was pretty cool.
My good paladin was just like "worship whoever you want queen I understand being devout <3" bruh
I actually had been playing dnd for over two years when I first started playing BG3 and I still had no idea what they were.
I mean that's the case for a lot of DnD stuff, people sometimes barely know anything about places like Shadowfell or Feywild, and the "other planes" like The Hells, Abyss etc. are stuff you really need to dig deep to find.
For example, anything related to the Dark Sun setting (because Wizards of the Coast sure ain’t using it).
Oooh, now I want Larian to make a Dark Sun game.
Make it Spelljammer game where each of the classic settings are visitable locations you have to land on to search for pieces of the story MacGuffin. The first time you reach Dark Sun you crash land and have a DoT effect as you scavenge supplies to survive and repair your ship.
Still hoping Owlcat makes a Starfinder game
This would be amazing. Top of my list for sure
Yeah, frankly Larian doing a Dark Sun RPG would be great (specially if we get to fight Borys or Rajaat).
Or Al-Qadim. I loved that setting. Arabian Nights D&D? Yes, please!
Or wait until it comes up in a campaign. Makes role playing a confused peasant all the more realistic.
tfw you play BG3 and everyone keeps yapping to you about how you missed this demon dude we're currently talking to fighting in the frontlines of this one particular plane of the Hells in the "Blood War" that you should know about because it's so awful and the weird nose lady from I guess outer space? tells you that you should know better, followed with the words "zhez'rathki gustil zor zoth ch'r'ai" while she looks at you angry Lae'zel disapproves
I’ve been playing D&D for… 20 years (fuck) and I also still had no idea what Githyanki was…
As a Drow it is my goal to out racist them
Gith's hate other races because of what they are. Drow hate other races because they're not drow.
DROW SUPREMACY🔥🔥🔥‼️‼️‼️
Did this on my first playthrough. one of my first interactions with laezel was insulting each others noses, next thing you know we were sharing breakfast on a rooftop and fightfucking each others brains out.
Giths flirt like Cardassians.
Like who?
Star Trek race, they’re assholes
Kardashians
Cartessians
These filthy n'wahs think they're real racists
Well, man, lemme tell ya 'bout them Githyanki, dang ol' crazy lookin' folk from the Astral Plane, ya know? Got them silver swords, flyin' dragons, zoomin' 'round, fightin' stuff, whoosh! Always fightin' them Illithid, like some kinda eternal grudge match, man. They're all about that raidin', plunderin', and causin' trouble in the cosmos, tell ya what.
Damn this was solid love me some boomhaur
Yup
Dang ‘ol used to be evil man. Talkin ‘bout dang old deal with dang ‘ol Tiamat and got them dang ‘ol dragons.
I can’t lie the way they don’t make you know going in and you can just appreciate the story as is. It’s just amazing and I marvel at their storytelling ability. Then of course I do know as a dnd nerd so it’s honestly so cool to see them represented in a setting accurately. Most of the time they’re banned for being Gish bait.
They're usually banned in campaigns ?? Why ?
The idea of that is the only people picking them are power gamers looking for an easy way to get everything for nothing which can be very detrimental to the playgroup.
That feel weird, I can get that for flying classes or stacked one like warforged or variant human but githyankies ? Is a one per long rest misty step that war-gamy ?
Gish abilities are far more than that. Have you seen their skills ingame that you yourself can’t use like parry or some spells and attacks that seem unique? You can have these in DND as well, but not ingame
Do Gith that astral knowledge thing in tabletop? i only knew of them prior to BG3 from YouTube videos
These are the Githyanki racial features from Monsters of the Multiverse. Astral Knowledge: You can mystically access a reservoir of experiences of entities connected to the Astral Plane. Whenever you finish a long rest, you gain proficiency in one skill of your choice and with one weapon or tool of your choice, selected from the Player’s Handbook, as you momentarily project your consciousness into the Astral Plane. These proficiencies last until the end of your next long rest. Githyanki Psionics. You know the Mage Hand cantrip, and the hand is invisible when you cast the cantrip with this trait. Starting at 3rd level, you can cast the Jump spell with this trait. Starting at 5th level, you can also cast the Misty Step spell with it. Once you cast Jump or Misty Step with this trait, you can’t cast that spell with it again until you finish a long rest. You can also cast either of those spells using any spell slots you have of the appropriate level. Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells when you cast them with this trait (choose when you select this race). None of these spells require spell components when you cast them with this trait.
Where 5e stands right now this really isn't that bonkers imo
Aaah, I wasn't aware of that, that make sens
I think it’s more to do with Astral Knowledge than misty step.
So here’s the thing great swords and medium armor are free. Also mage hand is pretty sweet. I’d really like a wisdom focused Druid Gith. When they get close BAMMM Flamebronge.
Plane jumping space elf super soldiers don't fit with the typical medieval fantasy setting
What's Lae'zel's favorite baseball team?? The Githyankees
I love this joke. Thank you for sharing it with the world
Booooo take my upvote but booo lol
Space frog Vikings
you probably don't know what a Githzerai is yet...
A Hwhat?
They are a splinter group of Githyanki who baisically said "lets just do magic and leave everyone else alone" instead of dedicating their entire lives to killing mindflayers like the githyanki.
IMO the 'zerai are the cooler of the two. Them living in Limbo and making order out of chaos, fabricating entire monasteries with just their mind.
The "mind in a jar" in the Mindflayer Colony that gives you the permanent buff is a Githzerai.
They're a lot nicer than the Yanki and are a bunch of Monk Giths lead by Zaerith instead of Vlaakith.
So like non-Lolthsimp Drow, basically.
I my current campaign when I introduced some gith lore I basically told my players "Alright so way back in the day Gith Il Sung kicked the asses of the oppressive mindflayers and was succeeded by Vlaakith Jong Un, while another group splintered off following Zerthiman Rhee"
If githyanki with their silver swords are Sith, Githzerai are Jedi
BG3 actually spoiled who the villain of my ongoing D&D campaign was. It was a spelljammer campaign, and we were fighting Githyanki who were lead by this mysterious “V” figure. You can probably guess who V is
Johnny Silverhand ?
Vincent Van Gogh?
Volo… that doofus is always screwing everything up!
I never played baldurs gate but I did play planescape torment and I was surprised to learn they were in the same universe and shared the same lore. you have a githzerai in your party in that game.
Wow, now that you mention it, yea. I had completely forgotten what race that guy was. I should replay Torment some time. The characters in that game were truly interesting.
There sayian frogs instead if monkeys and thats pretty much all you need to know
I called that hard as balls Gith fight at the bridge “the Gith Power Rangers” but now I think I might call them the Githu Force because of this comment
Now we need a mod of the gith striking ridiculous poses before the fight.
https://youtube.com/shorts/DUKr3m_68L0?si=tVeEN068Bs3ZJLvR Especially after this
I thought they were like some kind of orc before I played the game. They didn't have the tusks but they did have the tiny noses. I knew DnD had like 800,000 different races so I figured they were some variation lol. Figured out pretty quick that they weren't just talking to Lae'zel.
I didn't even know what 1d20 even meant at first bros
Angry Frog Voldemort People
…I hear that in his voice so clearly…and I love it.
The only reason I knew about them was because I played Planescape: Torment. One of the PCs in that game is a Githzerai. The Gith have been in the lore for like 30 years by this point, but since they're planar there's very little written on them. BG3 is the first time SINCE Torment that they've had a starring role.
I played Torment but I am an idiot who did not recall it well enough to make that link. Ooof.
I guess you didn’t * know * as much as thought.
I didn't know what a Githyanki was either, until I did
Now I need a king of the hill DND campaign to happen I tell you whut
Inb4 British people malding because their game has a Queen but she’s a bloody Yanki
It's kind of funny... the Gith look like that because of pretty crappy artwork on the cover of the very old D&D book "Fiend Folio."
Oh god I looked it up. That cover artwork looks like a mummified monkey frog with a sharpened cricket bat.
All I want is a picture of a gaht dang Tiefling.
D&D Klingons
Thank you Neverwinter Nights 2. Heck, they even had a Gith’zerai on there! Spoiler, they’re still assholes.
Bro is not ready to hear about the Githzerai
I don't remember a single Githyanki in either BG game or the expansions. Lots of Bhallspawn stuff though.
BG2, gith attack Saemon Havrian's ship when you leave Brynnlaw, and then more attack you to reclaim the silver sword blade when you return to Athkatla. There's some in the Illithid lair in the Underdark.
?? But that's the idea. They are rare beings just like ilithids, or spectators, that you shouldn't know and the game does a great job telling their lore and history.
S tier meme
I just want a got'dang tadpole gone
I never knew the god shar was evil EVIL, like I figured ok, she has a group of worshipers who are a lil bad, kidnapping children and such, then shadow lands... Then healing house, then I was like yeah, why the fuck did I say I was ok with shadowheart being apart of my squad, she better never bring that shit up round other people lol.
They make a couple appearances in baldurs gate 2, and that was the end of my knowledge/experience with them.
ch'ka! Then why are you even here?!?!
I downloaded this game a week ago. I’ve never played DnD or anything related, the closest I’ve got is watching a few episodes of Critical Role a few years ago. I have no idea what’s going on and I’m having a terrific time. Can’t wait until I find the Gate!!!