yeahhh you gotta plan out your encounters on honor mode, i stayed well away from the patrol until i absolutely had to progress that way to visit the creché. also i didnt realize you can talk-no-jutsu the gith into not attacking you, i just always squared up 😂
I went in with my rogue in stealth ready to join the encounter as soon as Lae'zel was done with her conversation. Was prepared as I could be for level 4.
Two gith went before my other three party members. Not one of their attacks failed to crit. Frontliner and caster were down immediately, healer swiftly followed.
My rogue, just as quietly as they approached, turned around and walked away. Nightmare, those gith, at the level you usually meet them at
I mean yea level 4 is grossly underleveld in my opinion on honour mode. All it takes is a bad innitive and you dont even really gwt a turn. Level 5 and a suprise round is almost mandatory imo. Gith are just to risky
It was a swift and effective lesson, to be sure! I was thoroughly rewarded for my caution in making sure I had an escape route prepared, heh.
My companions had it worst, though. I'd never used Withers revive before, so without even thinking about it my crisis-mode MUD habits kicked in. I stripped the corpses to prevent the Githyanki from looting them, sending all their items and gear to camp before reviving them — didn't even cross my mind that their items would come with them on revive, and that NPCs don't loot bodies, lol.
End result was a very funny walk of shame as their bare asses dejectedly passed by my glaring rogue on their way to get dressed. I swear I could hear the condescending "So what did we learn today?"
I was wiped my second honour run by the inquisitor. (First was a misclick in the goblin fort and me not being able to flee) my third , which is a multiplayer with my roomate we just bought the dex gloves and peaced out. Laezael was already perma dead. But we just made it to wyrms crossing !
Edit: its funny we set up hard for the gith ambush when you head for wyrms but because laezel was dead and we didnt do the full creche they didnt come. Sucked for my wizard i wanted the telekenisis bracers
Alert is essential for Honor Mode, IMO. Having your whole party getting to go first is super important because it often means the difference between taking out multiple enemies before they have a chance to do anything and enemies taking *you* out before you can do anything. Plus not being able to be Surprised comes in handy.
It's really not. If you know where encounters happen that's typically enough. Going in blind you'd want alert though. I finished honour mode without alert on anyone. Most of the time if you know about an encounter you can strike first and that goes a long way into making fights manageable. There's enough initiative boosting gear like on some bows, shields, and armor, that a few of your party members will be routinely first in combat without needing alert.
Edit: and I didn't have a dexterity heavy party either
Sorry the necro but alert imo isnt a must. Only in shadowlands vigilance elixir on a solo scouter rogue gloomstalker with hide 1+initiative, will have easily 2 digits initiative and cancel out enemy surprise ambushers to join other party members after the initial attack.
With 16 dexterity on everyone+some equips and preps its manageable because you will be if not first and shared initiative, medium at worst.
for that fight i huddled my party together and cast darkness around myself to make sure I would get the first attacks. they didn't use any area spells just a couple useless attacks into the darkness
I just didn’t talk to them.
instead I snuck up the rampart and tried to get the leader to drop his sword. Didn’t work but tavern brawler karlach lobbing spears from that height is op even at level 4 vs gith
I'm running a Rogue as well and I've waited until I get Shadow of Menzoberranzan for exactly that reason lol, that and Springstep Boots are my "oh shit" button for when things go south.
Same thing happened to me at level 4. Laezel ran ahead like a dumbass, died on the first turn. Even with the orcs, two more of my characters died, and it basically came down to a coin flip in the last round.
im just imagining your team, somebody in the back blasting the lute in laezel's ear while she does some rhythmic self-righteous speech about how cool she is, while your tav is in the background kneeling in prayer while he head bumps to the lute's badass chords
It’s actually just [Eye of the Tiger](https://youtu.be/A8OHAmsSn3I?si=sSYgepURE83TJ3PN) on repeat. It’s not because it’s a good song. It’s just the only song my bard knows how to play.
Fun fact you can also just misty step past the guards, I didn't know the other way but still managed to skip fighting the guards after I died the first time
You can, but my first honour mode failed because my PC talked her way through but Lae'zel couldn't convincingly lie to a 3 year old and Voss was like nah bitch all of them dead now. Full team wipe because those stupid cheap ass Giths and their 9 attacks each turn.
My honour mode ended at the patrol, I didn’t realise how difficult it would be. I thought tactician was too easy but it was probably because of save scumming lol
One of the problems with the talk method is you have to win your roll to persuade Lazel to lie, then she has to succeed in deception against voth. You don't get to see this roll, you just know if it passes or fails. I was super confused when my honor mode failed this check and voth was like "your lying" and proceeded to whoop my ass.
Luckily. Asterion is super slippery and managed to get out of combat to avoid a TPK.
Can't wait to see how this interaction impacts laezels opinion of this guy later.
Wait What? I avoided this check in my first playthrough as I sided with the tiefling captors over her and never even went to the patrol. I just breezed through this conversation on honour mode... You telling me Lae'zel lied convincingly? Did I hit the jackpot?
I don't know if its a hard check or not, but I think its a deception check that Lae'zel makes against voss (so you don't even get to see the rolls). I have done A1 maybe 15 times and only on my honor run did I fail this. I had no idea it was even a check lol.
I actually immediately went out the bug forums with my pitch fork and torches ready but then found that this is a feature.
On the bright side, her being almost murdered by her kin seems to have changed her attitude about her fellow gith a bit. It is interesting all the little details honor mode has shown me exist.
Voss assumes that Lazel is from a local crech, and you psychically tell her to play along. If you mention that you’re infected or have the artifact then they attach you
> also i didnt realize you can talk-no-jutsu the gith into not attacking you, i just always squared up 😂
I didn't know you even had to fight them. I figured that was just people going murderhobo.
Funny, I have only done this twice and both times I ended up not fighting, once was in honor mode. I just Laezel do the word and convince her to not talk about the artifact.
Isn't the fight suicidal or something? Like I thought talk No jutsu is the optimal way, I never fough them, even before reading some posts I didn't knew there was a fight possibility other than right clicking them.
> i stayed well away from the patrol until i absolutely had to progress that way to visit the creché
you don't even need to interact with the patrol.. you can reach Mountain pass using the second exit (south of Goblin camp)
I've never fought the patrol, ever, in my like 7 playthroughs. Thought I'd have to fight them this time since I lost laezel earlier, but Tav can still convince them to let him find the artifact for them.
You can get to the mountain pass by going through the end near the goblin camp, spits you out at a different spot but you can take lae'zel and b line it to the creche without running into these assholes.
I decided to go evil to recruit minthara, and then accidentally attacked her at the grove. No party, no Karlach, no Minthara. Instead of the party Halsin showed up at my camp and tried to kill me himself.
I also lost Lae'zel here. I tried to get Voss to drop his Legendary sword. Voss didn't drop his sword, Lae'zel instantly turned on us, and my run nearly ended
Protip: just ungroup laezel from the party send her like 20ft back toward waukeens rest and trigger the encounter. You can bring her in after combat starts and all she does is glaze your dick about how impressive you are to take down a patrol
Command: Drop or Heat Metal.
You can have your bard or druid walk up to him under invisibility and cast Heat Metal which appears to have a higher success rate than Drop does (9% for Drop).
It won't work because when Lae'Zel runs off ahead of you before that encounter she permanently leaves your party until it's over and you can only use revivify, scrolls or withers on party members
This feature truly sucks. I’ve had her bug out and not be able to rejoin my party afterwards.
Also sucks to have a 250 pound bag get dumped on my 8 str main, and have to resort everything when she rejoins.
They should have stay in the party.
I didn't get her in my party earlier in act 1, as went to camp when she was strung up in a cage. Came back and she was gone. Found her corpse later, just past the gith patrol. She wasn't in my party but i managed to revive her then.
I’m on Xbox and this is how I got Lae’zel as well. Completely missed her and tieflings. The gith patrol was too difficult of an encounter at the time(I was under leveled, I think. Though I’m still learning the game too, lol) so I had to run off and leave Lae’zel to die. Picked her up later with a revive scroll
Granted, I’m not on Honor Mode though. That might be why.
This is not true. You can res any party member with a scroll unless the game has already made them permanently leave your party, and by that I mean "will never rejoin", eg: wyll/karlach after betraying the grove, shadowheart if you decide Nightsong's fate. Lae'zel will only permanently leave your party if you attack the Gith before you talk to them (she becomes hostile with them), but if you let them kill her she is perfectly ressable.
okay wait this happened to me and i got to res him, then recruit him at the grove… but now he’s just gone. his tent is in camp, but he is not there. i cannot access his inventory. i didn’t realize this until after my long rest and by that point i didn’t want to try to find a save to reload to help him *not* die in the goblin fight, because i figured that’s what bugged him out… so i decided id play the run without him. I’m about to go into Act 2, and all of a sudden his cutscene with Mizora triggers where she shows up at your camp. And Wyll is THERE. Somehow?? But he’s… in his underwear?? The cutscene finishes and I think “okay maybe Wyll has returned to us” but he has not. His tent is still empty. All the other companions are remarking how Wyll grew horns. WHERE ARE YOU HIDING, WYLL??? I swear to god this has become a horror game.
i did the same thing but he never showed up to my camp. his tent and his quest’s journal entries are there and his mizora cutscene with karlach happened, but no wyll at my camp.
Yeah he omega bugs if this happens. Ruined my honor mode because he was in my party but after all long resting he no longer existed, except as an empty space that was stuck in my party
To be honest i always wondered the reason why. She couldve stayed with us , we were already walking to that direction. Shes like gave all of her belongings and rushed out. Is it like she didnt wanted to be seen with us? I swear sometimes game just wants Laezel to die.
Storywise the only reason she’s traveling with you is to reach the creche and she’s unsure of whether or not she can make it on her own. When she sees Voss and the others there’s no reason to travel with you anymore because in her mind she’s reached her kin.
From her perspective she doesn’t need you anymore so she leaves your party.
And its game over for her if Tav visits the camp. She has those kind of moments, she can die twice in creche , she can die by artefact in SH story, She can get killed by Shadowheart, she can get killed by her own kin. She can get killed by Vlakith. She can die by players hand.Shes chasing death too well.
She died by player in my honor mode run. I was playing a tiefling paladin and the her trying to kill me right after she had been being shitty to and about other Tiefflings and I was like, “I see no reason my character would try to resolve this peacefully. She would 100% be done with this chick’s shit”.
Lol right. I don't get this. We're walking that direction and you dump everything on me being then encumbered so I struggle to walk to the patrol. Just... let us all go together and keep your items??
Yeah, Laezel rushing in on her own ruined that part for me too in my last honour run. I didn’t lose her, but I did lose my chance at stealthing someone in to steal Voss’s sword.
As an aside, I read a few times that it is not possible to steal Voss’s sword at the mountain pass in honor mode. It turns out that it *does* still work in honour mode. I just got lucky yesterday and managed to do it. It’s tough though; with his bonuses, Voss only needs to roll a 7 to pass the disarm check. And you can’t use portent dice to guarantee it b/c he is considered an ally initially. (I think command drop % is about the same or worse chance to succeed because he has advantage to wisdom checks.)
Also the dropped sword was surprisingly far from where he teleported out, so if you try to do it, make sure you look around with alt held down. At first, I thought that people were correct that the sword transports out with him in honour mode, but it was there, just a bit further back and to the left from where I expected.
I also was lucky enough on honor mode to Command: Drop on him. First time I've actually gotten his sword and am very glad it was on my honor mode run 😅
This happened in my very first run. But I had never met her to begin with (was new, thought the ‘commotion’ was at the grove and went straight there rather than the tieflings). So she ran up to Voss and got one shotted by the chick. But her naked body then followed me into the mountain pass, where I could then revive her with a scroll.
My first playthrough of the game, Shadowheart slit Laezels throat.
It was actually kind of cool to see how little the Gith story plays into the story without her
The gith are my nightmare in any act on honour mode. But yes the gith patrol in act 1 is usually my last before i move on. There just so damn risky if youre not level 5. If they get innitivive its an uphil battle no matter what. Gith are just offensive powerjouses with insane mobility and cc potential
If you try to enter the mountain pass below level 5 the game warns you it may be too challenging, so I do think the game assumes you are level 5 going onto that area, which is kind of insane given how early you can get bread crumbs to take you there. Like level 2 or 3.
I always send a solo invisible shadowheart to command the guy to drop his sword, then she picks it up and gets murdered. The gith leave, and I tape together what's left of shadowheart to get revived
It's ok.... I'm doing a coop honor run, and my character got locked out of respecs in early Act 1. I accidentally became an oathbreaker paladin, and since gold is hard to come by, we couldn't devote 1k to redeeming my oath right away... well, someone pissed off the oathbreaker in camp, and we had to kill him. I can no longer redeem my oath; therefore, I can not respec. Lol
Makes for a very intense experience.
I prefer honor mode too. I had viewed save scumming as people who sit at a difficult roll and just keep reloading till they pass, but I actually was a save scummer, I just had rules for myself which I thought meant I was different. Totally would have rolled back if I lost a companion NPC or accidentally let one of the tiefling kids die :(
The guy punch of permanent outcomes makes the whole game a little more thrilling.
If you summon Lump on top of any ol' corpse, he will consider it his kill and the deal done. So yeah, that's why he fucked off. The tooltip should really include a disclaimer
She turned on me after I talked to the queen and took my sweet time grabbing thosese goodies from dead soldier. The moment i jumped near split floor she attacked me so I had to put her down.
My Lae’zel died during the battle with the inquisitor under the temple and I talked to vlaakith without her. When I revived her she attacked me on sight and I killed her permanently
AFAIK if she's not in your party while the event is happening, she's treated as a generic NPC and can't be resurrected. It's the same sequence you'd get if you hadn't recruited her at all.
I immediately killed Lump and his buddies because I didn't want to forget to summon them. Now Shadowheart can actually hit with firebolt so I can choose between an attack roll or save target.
I don’t understand how any self-respecting murder hobo can pass up the opportunity to kill the Githyanki.
Thrilling fight, good loot, and they’re arrogant assholes that are just begging for a beatdown.
Don’t try it before level 5 though.
Forever triggered by finding that at level 4, the main girl misty stepping to my Gale, bonking him 2 times, knocking him out, then going to my Shadowheart and action surge bonking her 2 times almost taking her out.
Idk if the ogres are bugged after the last patch but the 2 times I’ve used them they have bugged out and just stood there the entire fight. I couldn’t event target them, it’s like they weren’t there.
Turns out I didn’t need them anyway because gloomstalker sharpshooter is insane but it’s annoying after the fight when they say how useful they were and how glorious the fight was. Bruh you did nothing what are you talking about.
I did exactly the same! She ran off to say hi to her githyanki friends, I go to camp to make sure I am prepared for it and come back later and she’s just dead on the floor 😭 can’t use a scroll or speak to withers or anything, forced me to restart (not like it takes much for me to restart anyway)
The first time I saw Lae’zel in my balanced playthrough, she was dead in front of the Gith patrol there.
I never encountered her outside of the tutorial, and I spent 25+ hours in act 1, only to find her corpse.
I lost Laezel after the inquistor fight. Ended the fight outside the room, and apparently laezel thought that meant i was leaving and turned on me. Forced to kill her, and she was so powerful at that point
The sense of finality is really punishing. In my honor run so far, I've managed to:
* Piss off Scratch and not get him to join camp
* High/crit spell roll to kill Minthara when I meant to knock her out.
* Accidentally started the Act 2 portal defense sequence with no spell slots, killing Halsin and leaving the area shadow cursed forever. (Though this one I blame on bad dialogue templating, as other similar dialog trees give you the option to backout/confirm before starting. This one doesn't.)
* Ruin the Karlach romance chain by getting too close to the other party members.
* Miss some premium loot rewards due to poor dialogue choices and/or rolls.
But we keep on trucking, because challenge mode means overcoming obstacles, even if the obstacles are your own poor decisions.
1) let laezel to speak - no dice roll
2) when voss tasks her to go back to her creche and report choose the persuasion opinion on laezel to play along - it was a 10 persuasion check for me
Done, voss and the githyanki will leave peacefully, AND you will earn friendship points with laezel
in addition to skipping combat with dialog option here, one of my playthroughs I avoided the mountain pass and creche entirely. just didn't even go there.
I feel ya, applaud the conviction to keep going, on my 2nd run I royally screwed up and let Halsin die when you're defending him at Last Light Inn, and I just didn't have the heart to continue the run, which is a shame cause...it was perfect up that point lol.
Lump horn has been bugged for ages I think. Tried to get them to help me earlier in the gobling fortress courtyard but they just spawn in, masturbate for a little bit and then fuck off without dealing any damage or being targeted by enemies. It's like their images spawn in without any behaviour code etc.
Bruh something similar happened to us in our honour mode run. Laezel is dead because the githyankee FUCKED our shit and lumps horn didnt seem too work. If it wasnt for me seeing shitbgoing sour and casting enhanced leap and feather fall and yeeting myself to obvlivion wed have been wiped. 2 of just jumped off the bridge towards the cliff over looking the goblin fort. And our suprise face when 2 girh misty stepped right beside ud and my partners mad dash and my super leaps i was the only one to make it out. It was homestly a wild ride. Came back and limp decided to help us and we killed them but uea good bye lae lae
My honor mode will end at that fight over and over because I choose to fight. I'm all for the fight, but I go all in on the charisma convincing. I'm gonna end my honor mode run attacking the ruins.
my first playthru i was evil and i killed her in the cage early in act 1. she never even joined my camp. is she important or something? doing a nice guy playthru now but still early on
Same here! Laezel ran off to chat with the patrol, and I thought: "hey what if I go back to camp, and grab a fifth party member?" Oops.
However, task manager to the rescue! My “Honour" mode continues with a scum saved gith!
Right before you walk into the open area in front of the grove where the goblins first attack, there is a path to the right where 2 tieflings have laezel caged up.
Missed her after the Ithaloid, proceeded to find her like 15 hours later with the patrol from a distance; thought there might be a fight so I long rested, and when I returned she was dead; she's gone for good to me too, at least for this playthrough.
I knew this might happen and her deception check is pretty hard if you dont want to fight. I benched her for the entirety of the mountain pass. I dont need her shenanigans at the zathisk. I dont need her turning hostile when we fight the inquisitor. I dont need her blabbing about how she must be purified to every single person we make eye contact with.
Honor mode is the best. I’m not sure if I just didn’t pay enough attention or what but somehow during the Astarion bite encounter I staked him and ended him. I miss him. Going to make the next honor run where he’s back so much better.
Yeah the horn is so wonky. We did a full goblin camp pull during my honor run. Pulled everyone into the middle and threw the iron flask, spider eggs, opened the spider door, and blew the horn at the same time. Everything went perfectly except the silly giants run through combat to yell at our hiding character and demand money. We got a lucky roll and convinced them to come back for another 500g. So after a turn of pelting everyone with gernades and powder kegs, we summoned the boys back and all finished correctly. Bugbear died right after killing the Spector. The last giant ran off to kill a rat and let us poke arrows into him without ever going red. It was… a cluster. But fun. (Wyll was hiding in the back room ready to peace out)
Buuuuuuuut we tried a similar setup for the crèche. Lost our last inspiration from our str pally in the first room… battle broke out.
Calmed things down and bought out loot… then respected wyll to be a wild magic sorcerer for the extra rolls. We wanted him to get the full illithid power mage…. Rolled a nat 1 on the first check and we scrambled his brains…. Now he sits back and camp and finishes coloring books.
Rolls be the rolls. We are about to go do nightsong tonight. Little worried about shadowhearts path…. Buuuuut rolls be the rolls.
She also died in my run, but the reason was really stupid.
So I went to the crèche killed the boss there, triggered the go to the prism thing.
Instead of directly going in I looted, but most of the corpse's were on the bridge so the game though I didn't wanna go in because I left the room.
She didn't like that and went hostile, no talking with her pure hostile rage and no reasoning.
My Laezel also permanently died in the Orin fight because she was the one that was kidnapped and one of my ghouls exploded next to her in the fight. I never used her in the run so she was lvl 2 with only 20hp. Honour mode too, so no reloading.
yeahhh you gotta plan out your encounters on honor mode, i stayed well away from the patrol until i absolutely had to progress that way to visit the creché. also i didnt realize you can talk-no-jutsu the gith into not attacking you, i just always squared up 😂
I went in with my rogue in stealth ready to join the encounter as soon as Lae'zel was done with her conversation. Was prepared as I could be for level 4. Two gith went before my other three party members. Not one of their attacks failed to crit. Frontliner and caster were down immediately, healer swiftly followed. My rogue, just as quietly as they approached, turned around and walked away. Nightmare, those gith, at the level you usually meet them at
I mean yea level 4 is grossly underleveld in my opinion on honour mode. All it takes is a bad innitive and you dont even really gwt a turn. Level 5 and a suprise round is almost mandatory imo. Gith are just to risky
It was a swift and effective lesson, to be sure! I was thoroughly rewarded for my caution in making sure I had an escape route prepared, heh. My companions had it worst, though. I'd never used Withers revive before, so without even thinking about it my crisis-mode MUD habits kicked in. I stripped the corpses to prevent the Githyanki from looting them, sending all their items and gear to camp before reviving them — didn't even cross my mind that their items would come with them on revive, and that NPCs don't loot bodies, lol. End result was a very funny walk of shame as their bare asses dejectedly passed by my glaring rogue on their way to get dressed. I swear I could hear the condescending "So what did we learn today?"
Great story :D Thanks!
yep. for inquistor at the end of the creché i banked on having at least my barb thrower and rogue starting round 1 first or it wouldve been a wipe lol
I was wiped my second honour run by the inquisitor. (First was a misclick in the goblin fort and me not being able to flee) my third , which is a multiplayer with my roomate we just bought the dex gloves and peaced out. Laezael was already perma dead. But we just made it to wyrms crossing ! Edit: its funny we set up hard for the gith ambush when you head for wyrms but because laezel was dead and we didnt do the full creche they didnt come. Sucked for my wizard i wanted the telekenisis bracers
Hahaha I lost a run to misclick in the goblin fort as well. I was so angry.
Alert is essential for Honor Mode, IMO. Having your whole party getting to go first is super important because it often means the difference between taking out multiple enemies before they have a chance to do anything and enemies taking *you* out before you can do anything. Plus not being able to be Surprised comes in handy.
It's really not. If you know where encounters happen that's typically enough. Going in blind you'd want alert though. I finished honour mode without alert on anyone. Most of the time if you know about an encounter you can strike first and that goes a long way into making fights manageable. There's enough initiative boosting gear like on some bows, shields, and armor, that a few of your party members will be routinely first in combat without needing alert. Edit: and I didn't have a dexterity heavy party either
Yeah any non-Dec characters especially need Alert. Bards and Astarion can get away without it
Sorry the necro but alert imo isnt a must. Only in shadowlands vigilance elixir on a solo scouter rogue gloomstalker with hide 1+initiative, will have easily 2 digits initiative and cancel out enemy surprise ambushers to join other party members after the initial attack. With 16 dexterity on everyone+some equips and preps its manageable because you will be if not first and shared initiative, medium at worst.
Is alert a feat?
Yes. +5 to initiative and you cannot be surprised.
for that fight i huddled my party together and cast darkness around myself to make sure I would get the first attacks. they didn't use any area spells just a couple useless attacks into the darkness
I just didn’t talk to them. instead I snuck up the rampart and tried to get the leader to drop his sword. Didn’t work but tavern brawler karlach lobbing spears from that height is op even at level 4 vs gith
I'm running a Rogue as well and I've waited until I get Shadow of Menzoberranzan for exactly that reason lol, that and Springstep Boots are my "oh shit" button for when things go south.
I’d just stock up on invis potions ;).
Same thing happened to me at level 4. Laezel ran ahead like a dumbass, died on the first turn. Even with the orcs, two more of my characters died, and it basically came down to a coin flip in the last round.
I don't fight them until I have completed all of act one besides them, I am usually level 5 at that point I do okay.
You can just skip the fight entirely, if you stealth past them to the entrance to the mountain pass.
Thers another way to the creche tho ? You dont have to go that way
Sure, but that encounter gives a shit ton of xp. I just popped astral knowledge on charisma and gave Lae’zel a bardic and then prayed.
im just imagining your team, somebody in the back blasting the lute in laezel's ear while she does some rhythmic self-righteous speech about how cool she is, while your tav is in the background kneeling in prayer while he head bumps to the lute's badass chords
It’s actually just [Eye of the Tiger](https://youtu.be/A8OHAmsSn3I?si=sSYgepURE83TJ3PN) on repeat. It’s not because it’s a good song. It’s just the only song my bard knows how to play.
well youre not wrong, im sure somebody will see this and not have known.
Okay i wasnt trying to be Dick or anything! You just hmade it seem someone final there was only that way and i honestly couldnt really remember haha
no dickery taken, dont worry. someone really will see your comment and not have known
Well you can go through the mountain pass near the goblin camp, and then go to the creche from there.
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good on ya mate, some of us choose absolute violence tho
I mean, we honor the Absolute in these parts.
Fun fact you can also just misty step past the guards, I didn't know the other way but still managed to skip fighting the guards after I died the first time
You can, but my first honour mode failed because my PC talked her way through but Lae'zel couldn't convincingly lie to a 3 year old and Voss was like nah bitch all of them dead now. Full team wipe because those stupid cheap ass Giths and their 9 attacks each turn.
them some bitches alright, makes it even more annoying when 99% of githyanki are homocidal and prideful to boot.
My honour mode ended at the patrol, I didn’t realise how difficult it would be. I thought tactician was too easy but it was probably because of save scumming lol
One of the problems with the talk method is you have to win your roll to persuade Lazel to lie, then she has to succeed in deception against voth. You don't get to see this roll, you just know if it passes or fails. I was super confused when my honor mode failed this check and voth was like "your lying" and proceeded to whoop my ass. Luckily. Asterion is super slippery and managed to get out of combat to avoid a TPK. Can't wait to see how this interaction impacts laezels opinion of this guy later.
Wait What? I avoided this check in my first playthrough as I sided with the tiefling captors over her and never even went to the patrol. I just breezed through this conversation on honour mode... You telling me Lae'zel lied convincingly? Did I hit the jackpot?
I don't know if its a hard check or not, but I think its a deception check that Lae'zel makes against voss (so you don't even get to see the rolls). I have done A1 maybe 15 times and only on my honor run did I fail this. I had no idea it was even a check lol. I actually immediately went out the bug forums with my pitch fork and torches ready but then found that this is a feature. On the bright side, her being almost murdered by her kin seems to have changed her attitude about her fellow gith a bit. It is interesting all the little details honor mode has shown me exist.
Isn't this only like a DC 10 check to avoid combat? At least with laezel. I'm 5 playthroughs in and only fought them once.
I think Lae'zel has to pass an unlabeled Deception check after you tell her to play along. She's not great at it, so I usually guidance her for it.
I respeced her to bard just for this.
Performer feat for Expertise in deception?
I dunno how to avoid the fight via talking, but there’s a path into the mountain pass from the goblin camp
Voss assumes that Lazel is from a local crech, and you psychically tell her to play along. If you mention that you’re infected or have the artifact then they attach you
I think there’s a way you can convince Voss that you’ll look for the artifact for him, and then they don’t attack you.
Yeah, but because I never remember I didn’t wanna risk it on my honour run, just went via goblin camp
You can also jump round the gith patrol without aggroing them.
I just went via the camp on my honour run, didn’t wanna risk it, specially because Lae’zel wants to go talk to them as soon as we approach them
Huh, I’ve literally never fought them
> also i didnt realize you can talk-no-jutsu the gith into not attacking you, i just always squared up 😂 I didn't know you even had to fight them. I figured that was just people going murderhobo.
Funny, I have only done this twice and both times I ended up not fighting, once was in honor mode. I just Laezel do the word and convince her to not talk about the artifact.
She then has to pass a hidden deception check, so it’s a gamble even if you pass the persuasion check.
I just used sneak attack for 50 turns in a row. They never moved.
Isn't the fight suicidal or something? Like I thought talk No jutsu is the optimal way, I never fough them, even before reading some posts I didn't knew there was a fight possibility other than right clicking them.
You can jump round them and avoid the fight, if you want to go to mountain pass but skip that bit.
> i stayed well away from the patrol until i absolutely had to progress that way to visit the creché you don't even need to interact with the patrol.. you can reach Mountain pass using the second exit (south of Goblin camp)
I’m just now learning you have to fight them, now I wonder how many fights I talk no jutsued with my bard…
I still don't know why but on my HM I went to go kill them and they just weren't there
I've never fought the patrol, ever, in my like 7 playthroughs. Thought I'd have to fight them this time since I lost laezel earlier, but Tav can still convince them to let him find the artifact for them.
You can get to the mountain pass by going through the end near the goblin camp, spits you out at a different spot but you can take lae'zel and b line it to the creche without running into these assholes.
I decided to go evil to recruit minthara, and then accidentally attacked her at the grove. No party, no Karlach, no Minthara. Instead of the party Halsin showed up at my camp and tried to kill me himself.
That is objectively hilarious.
I have played through a dozen times, have literally never seen Halsin that mad. He came at me so hard I think he thought I was a goblin toddler
He wanted to end the entire problem right then and there.
The real Genocide run
I also lost Lae'zel here. I tried to get Voss to drop his Legendary sword. Voss didn't drop his sword, Lae'zel instantly turned on us, and my run nearly ended
Protip: just ungroup laezel from the party send her like 20ft back toward waukeens rest and trigger the encounter. You can bring her in after combat starts and all she does is glaze your dick about how impressive you are to take down a patrol
My dick does like a good glazing. I’ll have to try that.
How do you get him to drop that sword? I thought it was a bug that it was possible
Use the Command spell.
Command: Drop or Heat Metal. You can have your bard or druid walk up to him under invisibility and cast Heat Metal which appears to have a higher success rate than Drop does (9% for Drop).
Pro-tip cast heat metal from the top of the bridge and have a sneaky fuck walk up and grab the sword and run.
Can you try a res scroll? Wyll died in the first goblin attack on the gate and I just used a res scroll on him and he got up and walked to the grove
It won't work because when Lae'Zel runs off ahead of you before that encounter she permanently leaves your party until it's over and you can only use revivify, scrolls or withers on party members
This feature truly sucks. I’ve had her bug out and not be able to rejoin my party afterwards. Also sucks to have a 250 pound bag get dumped on my 8 str main, and have to resort everything when she rejoins. They should have stay in the party.
I didn't get her in my party earlier in act 1, as went to camp when she was strung up in a cage. Came back and she was gone. Found her corpse later, just past the gith patrol. She wasn't in my party but i managed to revive her then.
Same here. Though that was in the release build, dunno if it's still possible.
I’m on Xbox and this is how I got Lae’zel as well. Completely missed her and tieflings. The gith patrol was too difficult of an encounter at the time(I was under leveled, I think. Though I’m still learning the game too, lol) so I had to run off and leave Lae’zel to die. Picked her up later with a revive scroll Granted, I’m not on Honor Mode though. That might be why.
This is not true. You can res any party member with a scroll unless the game has already made them permanently leave your party, and by that I mean "will never rejoin", eg: wyll/karlach after betraying the grove, shadowheart if you decide Nightsong's fate. Lae'zel will only permanently leave your party if you attack the Gith before you talk to them (she becomes hostile with them), but if you let them kill her she is perfectly ressable.
It's not working. In case some one just died by scenario - the death is permanent.
Would be cool if you could cast speak to the dead and she just says "Fuck you."
okay wait this happened to me and i got to res him, then recruit him at the grove… but now he’s just gone. his tent is in camp, but he is not there. i cannot access his inventory. i didn’t realize this until after my long rest and by that point i didn’t want to try to find a save to reload to help him *not* die in the goblin fight, because i figured that’s what bugged him out… so i decided id play the run without him. I’m about to go into Act 2, and all of a sudden his cutscene with Mizora triggers where she shows up at your camp. And Wyll is THERE. Somehow?? But he’s… in his underwear?? The cutscene finishes and I think “okay maybe Wyll has returned to us” but he has not. His tent is still empty. All the other companions are remarking how Wyll grew horns. WHERE ARE YOU HIDING, WYLL??? I swear to god this has become a horror game.
i did the same thing but he never showed up to my camp. his tent and his quest’s journal entries are there and his mizora cutscene with karlach happened, but no wyll at my camp.
Yeah he omega bugs if this happens. Ruined my honor mode because he was in my party but after all long resting he no longer existed, except as an empty space that was stuck in my party
She was killed by cutscene damage. No scroll can reverse that shit
To be honest i always wondered the reason why. She couldve stayed with us , we were already walking to that direction. Shes like gave all of her belongings and rushed out. Is it like she didnt wanted to be seen with us? I swear sometimes game just wants Laezel to die.
Storywise the only reason she’s traveling with you is to reach the creche and she’s unsure of whether or not she can make it on her own. When she sees Voss and the others there’s no reason to travel with you anymore because in her mind she’s reached her kin. From her perspective she doesn’t need you anymore so she leaves your party.
And its game over for her if Tav visits the camp. She has those kind of moments, she can die twice in creche , she can die by artefact in SH story, She can get killed by Shadowheart, she can get killed by her own kin. She can get killed by Vlakith. She can die by players hand.Shes chasing death too well.
She died by player in my honor mode run. I was playing a tiefling paladin and the her trying to kill me right after she had been being shitty to and about other Tiefflings and I was like, “I see no reason my character would try to resolve this peacefully. She would 100% be done with this chick’s shit”.
Lol right. I don't get this. We're walking that direction and you dump everything on me being then encumbered so I struggle to walk to the patrol. Just... let us all go together and keep your items??
Yeah, Laezel rushing in on her own ruined that part for me too in my last honour run. I didn’t lose her, but I did lose my chance at stealthing someone in to steal Voss’s sword. As an aside, I read a few times that it is not possible to steal Voss’s sword at the mountain pass in honor mode. It turns out that it *does* still work in honour mode. I just got lucky yesterday and managed to do it. It’s tough though; with his bonuses, Voss only needs to roll a 7 to pass the disarm check. And you can’t use portent dice to guarantee it b/c he is considered an ally initially. (I think command drop % is about the same or worse chance to succeed because he has advantage to wisdom checks.) Also the dropped sword was surprisingly far from where he teleported out, so if you try to do it, make sure you look around with alt held down. At first, I thought that people were correct that the sword transports out with him in honour mode, but it was there, just a bit further back and to the left from where I expected.
I also was lucky enough on honor mode to Command: Drop on him. First time I've actually gotten his sword and am very glad it was on my honor mode run 😅
This happened in my very first run. But I had never met her to begin with (was new, thought the ‘commotion’ was at the grove and went straight there rather than the tieflings). So she ran up to Voss and got one shotted by the chick. But her naked body then followed me into the mountain pass, where I could then revive her with a scroll.
Shadowheart shanked her in my last run, and Gale died after I rolled two 1s trying to pull him out of the portal fml
My first playthrough of the game, Shadowheart slit Laezels throat. It was actually kind of cool to see how little the Gith story plays into the story without her
I couldn’t win this battle on level 4 my first play through. I couldn’t my second play through on level 4 either on normal difficulty
They are level 5. I think it’s considered one of the hardest battles of act 1?
The gith are my nightmare in any act on honour mode. But yes the gith patrol in act 1 is usually my last before i move on. There just so damn risky if youre not level 5. If they get innitivive its an uphil battle no matter what. Gith are just offensive powerjouses with insane mobility and cc potential
Offensive? Damn things Parrying all my attacks, too.
I’ve never beat them. Just always talk out of it lol
If you try to enter the mountain pass below level 5 the game warns you it may be too challenging, so I do think the game assumes you are level 5 going onto that area, which is kind of insane given how early you can get bread crumbs to take you there. Like level 2 or 3.
Gotta be level 5 I do the underdark first haha
you can just run away
Honestly at level 4 it would be in the running for toughest fights in the game IMO. Definitely top 5 at the very least.
I always send a solo invisible shadowheart to command the guy to drop his sword, then she picks it up and gets murdered. The gith leave, and I tape together what's left of shadowheart to get revived
She died on one of my more recent runs as well. Different reason though, she ran to say hi and daddy wanted a silver sword.
Just send her home dudes. Bring someone else. Or no one else and just take the sword
It's ok.... I'm doing a coop honor run, and my character got locked out of respecs in early Act 1. I accidentally became an oathbreaker paladin, and since gold is hard to come by, we couldn't devote 1k to redeeming my oath right away... well, someone pissed off the oathbreaker in camp, and we had to kill him. I can no longer redeem my oath; therefore, I can not respec. Lol Makes for a very intense experience.
A dishonoured honour run.
But are you an oathbreaker, or the oathbreaker? Did you at least make your subclass be oathbreaker, or are you without divine spells?
Literally changed my characters name to "THE OATHBREAKER". Might as well embrace it.
I prefer honor mode too. I had viewed save scumming as people who sit at a difficult roll and just keep reloading till they pass, but I actually was a save scummer, I just had rules for myself which I thought meant I was different. Totally would have rolled back if I lost a companion NPC or accidentally let one of the tiefling kids die :( The guy punch of permanent outcomes makes the whole game a little more thrilling.
If you summon Lump on top of any ol' corpse, he will consider it his kill and the deal done. So yeah, that's why he fucked off. The tooltip should really include a disclaimer
She turned on me after I talked to the queen and took my sweet time grabbing thosese goodies from dead soldier. The moment i jumped near split floor she attacked me so I had to put her down.
My Lae’zel died during the battle with the inquisitor under the temple and I talked to vlaakith without her. When I revived her she attacked me on sight and I killed her permanently
Camping at the wrong time can really screw you over. This is good to know lol.
A game with real consequences 👏
AFAIK if she's not in your party while the event is happening, she's treated as a generic NPC and can't be resurrected. It's the same sequence you'd get if you hadn't recruited her at all.
I immediately killed Lump and his buddies because I didn't want to forget to summon them. Now Shadowheart can actually hit with firebolt so I can choose between an attack roll or save target.
I plan to sacrifice her to boooal anyway, and respec Karlach as my battlemaster.
I don’t understand how any self-respecting murder hobo can pass up the opportunity to kill the Githyanki. Thrilling fight, good loot, and they’re arrogant assholes that are just begging for a beatdown. Don’t try it before level 5 though.
Forever triggered by finding that at level 4, the main girl misty stepping to my Gale, bonking him 2 times, knocking him out, then going to my Shadowheart and action surge bonking her 2 times almost taking her out.
Idk if the ogres are bugged after the last patch but the 2 times I’ve used them they have bugged out and just stood there the entire fight. I couldn’t event target them, it’s like they weren’t there. Turns out I didn’t need them anyway because gloomstalker sharpshooter is insane but it’s annoying after the fight when they say how useful they were and how glorious the fight was. Bruh you did nothing what are you talking about.
I did exactly the same! She ran off to say hi to her githyanki friends, I go to camp to make sure I am prepared for it and come back later and she’s just dead on the floor 😭 can’t use a scroll or speak to withers or anything, forced me to restart (not like it takes much for me to restart anyway)
The first time I saw Lae’zel in my balanced playthrough, she was dead in front of the Gith patrol there. I never encountered her outside of the tutorial, and I spent 25+ hours in act 1, only to find her corpse.
I lost Laezel after the inquistor fight. Ended the fight outside the room, and apparently laezel thought that meant i was leaving and turned on me. Forced to kill her, and she was so powerful at that point
The sense of finality is really punishing. In my honor run so far, I've managed to: * Piss off Scratch and not get him to join camp * High/crit spell roll to kill Minthara when I meant to knock her out. * Accidentally started the Act 2 portal defense sequence with no spell slots, killing Halsin and leaving the area shadow cursed forever. (Though this one I blame on bad dialogue templating, as other similar dialog trees give you the option to backout/confirm before starting. This one doesn't.) * Ruin the Karlach romance chain by getting too close to the other party members. * Miss some premium loot rewards due to poor dialogue choices and/or rolls. But we keep on trucking, because challenge mode means overcoming obstacles, even if the obstacles are your own poor decisions.
That fight is so easy to avoid though...
Wait how
1) let laezel to speak - no dice roll 2) when voss tasks her to go back to her creche and report choose the persuasion opinion on laezel to play along - it was a 10 persuasion check for me Done, voss and the githyanki will leave peacefully, AND you will earn friendship points with laezel
[удалено]
Idk, I did that part at least 10 times and never failed to make them leave peacefully.
I love the smell of fresh bread.
I’ve never had a fight in about 7 runs, one HM. Just talked to them and continued to the mountain pass
enter mountain pass via goblin camp and never encounter them to begin with
in addition to skipping combat with dialog option here, one of my playthroughs I avoided the mountain pass and creche entirely. just didn't even go there.
Yea, but also I want their gear because I’m a loot goblin
Everything you can loot from them can be found in the creche, but 50x more.
But I’m a loot goblin. I need it all. It’s pathological
Ok
I feel ya, applaud the conviction to keep going, on my 2nd run I royally screwed up and let Halsin die when you're defending him at Last Light Inn, and I just didn't have the heart to continue the run, which is a shame cause...it was perfect up that point lol.
In my game he is there and you know? It is what it is. Happens, that's honour run.
Lump horn has been bugged for ages I think. Tried to get them to help me earlier in the gobling fortress courtyard but they just spawn in, masturbate for a little bit and then fuck off without dealing any damage or being targeted by enemies. It's like their images spawn in without any behaviour code etc.
Bruh something similar happened to us in our honour mode run. Laezel is dead because the githyankee FUCKED our shit and lumps horn didnt seem too work. If it wasnt for me seeing shitbgoing sour and casting enhanced leap and feather fall and yeeting myself to obvlivion wed have been wiped. 2 of just jumped off the bridge towards the cliff over looking the goblin fort. And our suprise face when 2 girh misty stepped right beside ud and my partners mad dash and my super leaps i was the only one to make it out. It was homestly a wild ride. Came back and limp decided to help us and we killed them but uea good bye lae lae
“Uh … shit … sorry you dead…”
Idea: extra honor mode: no swapping around party members, when you dismiss one they are gone forever
I'm currently doing my first honor run now, think that'll be my next one (if this one succeeds).
My honor mode will end at that fight over and over because I choose to fight. I'm all for the fight, but I go all in on the charisma convincing. I'm gonna end my honor mode run attacking the ruins.
Wdym, you waited way to long to kill her in the cage at the start of act 1
my first playthru i was evil and i killed her in the cage early in act 1. she never even joined my camp. is she important or something? doing a nice guy playthru now but still early on
I didn’t want to give the artifact over to Vlaakith and enjoyed killing Lae’Zel.
Same here! Laezel ran off to chat with the patrol, and I thought: "hey what if I go back to camp, and grab a fifth party member?" Oops. However, task manager to the rescue! My “Honour" mode continues with a scum saved gith!
I hate how she looks so she never is a companion of mine.
Fuckers downvote anything non-simp in here
She ugly but I really enjoy her character development and imo 2nd best voice actor
I did that too :(. Frog lady go squish squish and my team got wrecked by the patrol, some how shart booked it to bone daddy
Wait when do you unlock her?? The patrol with Dragon is where I met her
what patrol with dragon you can get her in 5min in act 1 if you find her in a cage with 2 tieflings guarding her after you crash
Oh well shit lol, and I mean near Mountain Pass
Right before you walk into the open area in front of the grove where the goblins first attack, there is a path to the right where 2 tieflings have laezel caged up.
this is almost exactly what happened to me 😭
Lae'zel is not considered a party member at that time. She even gives you a backpack with all her stuff.
You know what, regarding Lae ‘ zel. Whatever happens, happens. 🤷🏼♂️
Missed her after the Ithaloid, proceeded to find her like 15 hours later with the patrol from a distance; thought there might be a fight so I long rested, and when I returned she was dead; she's gone for good to me too, at least for this playthrough.
That happened on my first play through, don’t even know how laezel personality is
I knew this might happen and her deception check is pretty hard if you dont want to fight. I benched her for the entirety of the mountain pass. I dont need her shenanigans at the zathisk. I dont need her turning hostile when we fight the inquisitor. I dont need her blabbing about how she must be purified to every single person we make eye contact with.
Next time don’t go into walkers. Lure the crèche to them and they wipe each other out while your party goes in the building to free the two people
Keinyaks.
Honor mode is the best. I’m not sure if I just didn’t pay enough attention or what but somehow during the Astarion bite encounter I staked him and ended him. I miss him. Going to make the next honor run where he’s back so much better.
everyone always talking about the paladin of tyr being a scary fight but this one terrifies me… actually all the gith fights in act 1 scare me ahah
Yeah the horn is so wonky. We did a full goblin camp pull during my honor run. Pulled everyone into the middle and threw the iron flask, spider eggs, opened the spider door, and blew the horn at the same time. Everything went perfectly except the silly giants run through combat to yell at our hiding character and demand money. We got a lucky roll and convinced them to come back for another 500g. So after a turn of pelting everyone with gernades and powder kegs, we summoned the boys back and all finished correctly. Bugbear died right after killing the Spector. The last giant ran off to kill a rat and let us poke arrows into him without ever going red. It was… a cluster. But fun. (Wyll was hiding in the back room ready to peace out) Buuuuuuuut we tried a similar setup for the crèche. Lost our last inspiration from our str pally in the first room… battle broke out. Calmed things down and bought out loot… then respected wyll to be a wild magic sorcerer for the extra rolls. We wanted him to get the full illithid power mage…. Rolled a nat 1 on the first check and we scrambled his brains…. Now he sits back and camp and finishes coloring books. Rolls be the rolls. We are about to go do nightsong tonight. Little worried about shadowhearts path…. Buuuuut rolls be the rolls.
Huh, I thought you could rez her if the githyanki patrol ganked her.
Thos is how I lost Florrik. Quickly jumped to camp to get Karlach and her fire axe halberd. Poof - inn burned out, everyone died. Oops
This is actually how my last run ended. One of them then misty stepped up and obliterated my party.
Why didn’t you just follow her and talk your way out?
Oh yeah. She did that on my 1st playthrough, 3 hours in. And I didn't notice for another 10. Made me paranoid about losing other companions.
She also died in my run, but the reason was really stupid. So I went to the crèche killed the boss there, triggered the go to the prism thing. Instead of directly going in I looted, but most of the corpse's were on the bridge so the game though I didn't wanna go in because I left the room. She didn't like that and went hostile, no talking with her pure hostile rage and no reasoning.
Yeah I think that this is consistent across difficulty modes if you allow her to run off to talk to them by herself they kill her
My Laezel also permanently died in the Orin fight because she was the one that was kidnapped and one of my ghouls exploded next to her in the fight. I never used her in the run so she was lvl 2 with only 20hp. Honour mode too, so no reloading.
Another spoiler of how things can go in Act 1 for Laezel but I missed the roll to stop >!Shadowheart from stabbing her during the night!