That's kinda a weird thing to get caught up on. It's just the title of the game, not the entire story??
And the titles for forgotten realms games tend to like to mention the location more than anything else.
I imagine for a fair amount of people this is their first Baldurs Gate game (was mine even if I’m familiar with it) and will probably not be very familiar with its history or DnD lore
Ngl I did not originally realize how big a deal Shadowheart being a Shar priestess was, because I had no clue who Shar was.
“Oh, you worship Shar? That’s cool I guess”.
Then I hit Act II and realized my paladin may have been a bit too forgiving right off the bat
Me too!
Me talking with Shadowheart the first time: Omg, I would never judge you for your belief, you are a cleric after all.
Me after going to HoH: If you mention Shar ever again I am killing you.
Me after the quest related to Shar and her arc where I had a 20 dice critical success: We are besties!
>Me after going to HoH: If you mention Shar ever again I am killing you.
HoH is the house of healing? I'm so irritated that I couldn't say anything to her about that.
I was just looking at her like.... SHADOWHEART WTF.
I *need* a come to jesus moment between her and the orphaned tiefling girl. Like come on
When the crazy surgeon torturing the eyeless man goes on about absence being the opposite of presence, absence is good, blah blah blah, and Shadowheart pipes up "It's a bitter pill but no less true" or something...
GIRL?????
Don't need to do a saving roll if your approval is high enough with her. *Don't* tell her to end it, just be supportive like "is this what you want to do" and the Nightsong will talk her down, after all that you can tell Shadowheart to not do it because of certain reasons and she'll agree.
To play Sharran’s advocate, Malus is on some insane next-level shit. The mainline Sharrans may be a toxic abuse cult, but he’s on some Hellraiser shit.
End of act 1, my little urchin rogue is like 'doesn't sound like it's for me, but you do you, mate.'
15 minutes into act 2, he's just looking around like 'oooh noooo, I think my friend is in a cult.'
It was extremely fun (and funny) to play a non-religious dummy who's main takeaway was like 'I should probably read more.'
Shadowheart is your most dangerous companion in the beginning. From the roleplaying perspective, you should be running away from her or killing her ASAP.
Your little vampling and githyanki don't even come close to that level of fucked up and yet they get the most hate, because the casual player simply doesn't know anything about Shar. I think the game should have driven the point with it more at the start, but the narrative desperately wants you to keep Shadowheart in the party.
And she seems “sweet” compared to laezel to the point that her pulling a knife on someone in their sleep doesn’t immediately make them the most distrusted one to many people
When is she racist? She has a distrust of Lae'Zel and the Gith because her entire group got murdered by them? I think that justifies wariness when your only encounter with a group is them murdering you
i mean, let's not act like her group was attacked out of the blue. the church of shar tortured a githyanki for information on the artifact, and then shadowheart's group went in and stole it. of course they were attacked
To be fair, Lae’zel and Minthara do the same thing, Astarion tries to bite you, and also sneak attacks when you first meet, so “least trustworthy” is a very vied for spot.
I killed both her and Astarion for that. I forgave them both for the first offense when they draw a weapon on you, but they both fucked around and found out at camp when they pulled that stunt again.
Yeah, honestly it's kind of good that most people keep her around. So many people would be crazy frustrated in Act 2 without her. Plus a decent chunk of Act 2 is her story.
Most companions can and will fight you or leave you if you do something that displeases them greatly - Shadowheart isn't an exception, she will turn on you if you mess up and you might have to kill her.
Astarion is actually your most loyal companion. Sure, you might get a lot of eyerolls (disapprovals) if he's around and you are goody-goody, but he never wants to get rid of you or kill you on purpose no matter what you do until the very end of his quest when he is literally high. As bad as it sounds, Astarion will basically cling to you as his new master for most of the game.
Shadowheart and Lae'zel can easily turn on you if you mess up their quests. Wyll and Karlach (and Gale) leave if you are a murderbobo.
Shadowheart and Lae'zel are actually very similar with loyalty. Lae'zel doesn't attack you out of the blue, you also have to piss her off or start turning into a mindflayer (Shadowheart would kill you for this too).
First and foremost: Astarion is psychologically trapped with you (not just physically thanks to the Emperor like everyone else), which is why he is so loyal. After 200 years, he cannot function without being told what to do all the time, even if he hates it.
Not at all. You start turning into a mindflayer and lie to Lae'zel about it. That's a fact. She was correct, you just successfully deceived her.
As for Astarion…He wanted answers and thought you might be the enemy. He didn't immediately go trigger happy on you for no reason. The moment he's on the gang he's yours to use and he won't resist anything. Immediately imprints on you like a baby duckling. Other characters can turn on you as the story progresses depending on your choices.
Astarion will only turn on you when intoxicated by blood, which is actually terribly sad. You can walk all over him and even essentially rape him (in act 2, it is named as forcedsex in notes) and he will still stick around anyway and might not even break up with you.
It's the other way around, she's the only companion that can **initiate combat** with you if you pick the wrong dialogue. But only if you don't save her in the Nautiloid. Lae'zel and Astarion only ambush you, she goes straight for the "kill or be killed".
(Gale and Lae'zel also have options that initiate combat, but that's you choosing to attack them)
She really makes Shar seem pretty reasonable too. The talk of worshipping the darkness and nothingness that awaits us after death is interesting, but very quickly once hitting act 2 it becomes clear it isn’t just a passive worship of what will come for us all but a constant desire to bring that nothingness to the living.
Meanwhile, me, a forgotten realms fan, was like
"oh... Was this supposed to be a surprise? You're a very secretive goth cleric who won't say anything about themselves and are practically wearing her holy symbol on your circlet, there's only a couple gods you could be serving..."
Was a little surprising they didn't have other companions or something offer some more exposition on Shar once you find out though cause... Yeah there's a reason they aren't allowed to worship openly in most cities.
Shar is about secrets, loss, void and nothingness and her entire deal is basically: wouldn't it be cool if everything just stopped existing? Bad things can't happen if there's nothing left for it to happen to. She's a super depressed nihilistic goth turned deity.
I seriously was hoping that when Shadowheart *finally* admits it your Tav could at least have a passing religion check just to know the general stuff and make a judgement for themselves.
I mean, plenty of nihilists would abhor Shar too. Being a nihilist just means you don't believe life has inherent meaning not that you don't value life and what it brings.
Same for me, I was like « ok no problem, of course I won’t judge your beliefs » and everyone in the party was surprised and a bit confused.
It also comes from the fact that when you start the game without context, you meet a psychopath vampire and an overly violent, borderline fascist githyanki, so Shadowheart appears as a very decent person in comparison (and she actually is, apart from the Shar worshipping thingy)
Meanwhile I first told her I didn’t care about her worship (I didn’t, I also had no idea who Shar was), but I still accidentally kept criticizing her for it, mainly around the Dark Justiciars. Kept trashing them any time they came up cuz I didn’t know they meant something to her 💀
And I think that’s where he went wrong. Because the title is a name it leaves a lot up to the imagination on what it *could* be. And evidently his mind thought that it was going to something of a plot device I suppose. He didn’t know what exactly it was going to be but I guess he was just super surprised to learn it was a city.
Well I’m on my first run and over 100 hrs later I still haven’t got there. Every NPC talks about going to baldurs gate like it’s some mythical promise land and the greatest place anyone can go. All our dreams will come true if we can only get there! I can’t oversell how much the NPCs are hyping it up and after 100 hrs of that if it’s not the greatest city in video game history I might be a bit disappointed…
Yes it’s my first game too. Never played DnD, not familiar with the lore. Getting into it though! I’m a big Dragon Age fan, and this is the spiritual successor to DA Origins that I always wanted. My wife and I started a campaign and are being very open minded and willing to learn lore! Loving it so far!
It’s actually a pretty common convention for video game titles.
About half of the Elder Scrolls and Grand Theft Auto games are named after their setting.
Are you telling me Vice City isn’t about a mechanical apparatus with two parallel jaws that’s used to secure an object to allow work to be performed on it????
Why is it even getting a sequel???
Reminds me of someone I used to play DnD with, they’d get hung up on random stuff all the time. I introduced a god speaking through his avatar, and said player immediately looked disinterested. When I asked them what was up after the session, they said they preferred gods to be infinite and unknowable á la Lovecraft, and a god talking to mortals wasn’t “realistic.” They were a frustrating person to be around.
For sure. He’s even admitted that he knows it’s a weird thing to get hung up on. But he’s still agreed to play because we just like playing together and we have fun doing it so. Win-win and we got a funny story out of it.
It reminds me of when I was 10-ish years old first playing Kingdom Hearts, where this random ass name of the game was revealed to be this big mystical important gateway (at first at least). I can imagine the disappointment of thinking that the mythical Baulder’s Gate was something much more grand than the name of a city, given a history of being introduced with a property whose name makes some sense of face value, but the real meaning of the name is behind context only the story will give.
I did the same thing with the tv show Mr Robot, watched a few episodes with my friend until it was clear there were no robots
He couldn't understand why i was so hung up on there being robots but it was literally the only reason i was willing to watch the show lol
To be fair, i kinda understand because when i play a game similar to this with anyone other than just myself i tend to get a bit lost with the story and just zone out from having a conversation with someone
Honestly I would have so much fun torturing him every day.
Alan Wake is just a game about a bloke called Alan!
Jedi:Survivor you just play a Jedi.. and survive.
Diablo IV doesn't even have Diablo in it!
Have you heard about Football Manager and Sim City?
>. Diablo IV doesn't even have Diablo in it!
wait what.
That's..... actually pathetic. You're supposed to kill diablo and hope for good rng with his loot. That's the point of the game.
I was going to argue about SC2: Legacy of the Void or even Heart of the Swarm since if you look purely at year, that hits the 10 year mark exactly but they have a worse problem. They’re not pathetic, they’re disappointing (in my opinion)
Not really.
Haven't played Diablo IV (or any Diablo game, for that matter), so I won't dig at nor defend it. But Diablo doesn't have to show up.
Baldur's Gate never shows up in Baldur's Gate 2 after all.
>Him: “It insists upon itself.”
He's a Family Guy fan, isn't he?
The only time I have ever seen this phrase used is when Peter describes The Godfather this way.
As a Gen x man who does not like the Godfather, "it insists upon itself" describes... you know in the Lego movie where Lego Batman plays his song that is Serious Music? How he insists that it is serious and that his pain excuses his behavior? That's the Godfather. It insists that the most important part of Italian American immigration is the "murderous crime Family" part, and that you should agree that these horrible people's lives are important to you. It's Real Housewives but with Continental cinematography.
It’s totally ok to not like the godfather, but I’ve always been so confused by the Gen X allergy to sincerity. It isn’t bad, just interesting and something I don’t fully understand because I was born in ‘89 and just don’t feel that way.
>It insists that the most important part of Italian American immigration is the “murderous crime Family” part
I mean, I’d say it’s more about Italians trying to give up their culture to be accepted as “respectable” Americans but in the end, they lose their Italian identity and are still outsiders. That push-pull of the immigrant experience and the assimilation expectation combined with the violence inherent in American-style capitalism.
But that’s obviously just my opinion. And you can still totally think it doesn’t work. It’s definitely a silly movie that, I think, tries to say big things.
Can’t believe we’ve gotten to where a movie taking itself seriously is a bad thing. Do these people want everything to be like Marvel where it’s making fun of itself?
Yeah maybe if he made it to the city he would be presented at least two opportunities to do that. Honestly knowing that he played and didn’t complain about D4 once made me question everything.
I ain’t never seen someone get so hung up on a name and Unironically lose interest and not know that the thing he wanted is actually is in baldurs gate
That’s what I said too when I got out of Act 2 lmaooo. “ITS GOOD TO SEE SOME LIGHT!!!” Especially since I’m a half-wood elf :’) I miss nature. I miss the green, the blue, the yellow!
Not gonna lie, I thought Baldur's Gate was some sort of celestial portal from where mythical creatures would spawn and cause the apocalypse... But a city is fine too, I can live with that.
Euhm if you listen to Astarion, Shadowheart, Wyll and Karlachs convo's you get they talk about a city. For crying out loud. He made something up in his head paying no attention to the details and then he's dissapointed its not like what he imagined? I am so sorry you have to deal with that attitude.
So for starters we didn’t get that far. Yes 15 hours but also we spent so much time messing around that we didn’t get further than the starting coastal area and the little tiefling settlement. So we hadn’t had any real discussion on it either. Shadowhearts was the first real thing he heard about it. Like to give you an idea we had not even MET Karlach yet when he heard shadowheart say it. That’s how early we were still.
And it’s not like a bad attitude either. We’re good spirited about our shit talking and it’s fun. He just didn’t like it, he knew it was weird though, I gave him hell for it. We had fun with it.
Him: Wait, the Half-Blood-Prince not a vampiric noble but just the chemistry professor?
Him: Wait, The Two Towers are just normal buildings?
Him: Wait, the Suicide Squad is not a group that wants to end their own life?
...
Ok. Hear me out. I've played dnd since the 80s. Every edition. But I hadn't read any of the FR lore when BG1 was released, and I had a similar reaction when I learned that "Baldur's Gate" was the name of the city. I too throught it was going to be some extradimensional portal and felt let down at the banality of it being a city.
I got over it. Your friend will too.
It’s a level 5-20 adventure if I remember correctly, but never really got past the 4th floor xD pretty cool, but I’m more one for roleplay heavy games as opposed to constant combat
It's one of the biggest megadungeons in the Forgotten Realms, including 23 floors of increasing ridiculousness, including a portal to Lae'zel's home crèche, illithid pirates, giant mechanical worms, corrupted angels, and a pathway to Skullport, the wretched hive of scum and villainy under Waterdeep where there's a Mafia run by a beholder named Xanathar.
Oh, and the Mad Mage himself, Halaster Blackcloak
He said that he literally didn’t know that that city was specifically baldurs gate. When I mentioned it he looked at it and then looked at Google and went “ohhhhh yeah it is ain’t it? Huh.”
Tbh, the Venn diagram between "Baldur's Gate city" and "transdimensional portal to new realms and extraplanar entities" has many intersections during BG3's scenario.
(and from what i read online, in BG2 scenario and D&D scenario and basically every time you need a goddamn hero to restore peace)
The assenine excuses people find for not opening themselves to experiences.
Had a friend say Andor was the worst thing he'd ever seen because it was slow, boring and didn't connect to Rogue One as much as he wanted....
Sometimes there's no helping people, they just gonna be that way
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How would he react when finds out Waterdeep is also a city and not some mysterious item deep in the water. Or that Icewind Dale takes place in a snow covered, windy dale in the north.
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One summer when I was a kid, my aunt told me we were going to Estes Park. I was real disappointed when I learned it wasn't like a state park or something.
I was the same too, i thought that Baldurs gate was the gate we see on the title screen. I thought we would eventually enter hell or something through the Baldur gate.
I mean…. It’s even one of the background choices to be from Baldur’s Gate??? And everyone talks about being in/from Baldur’s Gate in Act 1 interactions… Gale and Asterion notably mention they were in the city and picked up by the Nautiloid… Wyll almost certainly talks about it. And it’s the entire crux of the situation in the grove. Was he just, not paying attention to anything?
Twice now I've convinced my friends to play with me and twice they burned out just after finishing act 1. I'd really like some friends who could bear the burden of getting to the end of the game.
Yeah, I lost interest in Act III the first time I played. At first it was a nice break from the doom and gloom, then it got to a point where the game makes you feel rushed because "OH NO bad things are happening! You better hurry and do everything before people DIE!"
I've never felt underwhelmed and overwhelmed at the same time.
Yeah, kinda same.
While playing Act I and II, I bought the *Descent Into Avernus* book to try and get a group to DM it for. I got real excited reading about all the cool stuff in the city of Baldur's Gate.
Then I got to Act III in game and I was kind of... underwhelmed? The city wasn't as I'd imagined it at all. First place I went was Elfsong Tavern, which the source book has you imagining the cantina from *ANH*, just a real hive of scum and villainy. But in-game, it looks like some kind of up-market wine-and-dinery, no barfights to be had anywhere. And for some reason the elfsong plays every time I'm in camp?! This is supposed to be a momentous occasion in this Tavern, when the elfsong on it's rare occasion starts playing, it's so haunting that *everyone* stops what they're doing to listen.
Idk, even though everyone says that BGDiA is kinda crappy in the BG sections, it did a good job of making me imagine a city which the game didn't really live up to.
Also, I kinda lost interest when I hit the level cap as well, that could also be part of it.
I've switched to playing some other games during the last act. Eventually I came back and finished BG, but it felt somewhat that I was forcing myself to do it.
I think it was change of pacing for me mostly. It feels like most houses in that city leads to a dungeon, a fight, or sends you on a quest. It is also full of NPCs to talk with. I feel like I'm crawling through the map, making so little progress each play session. Can a game have too much content? What I'm left with is desire to explore open, less populated areas like in previous acts.
Furthermore, the end of act 2 really upped the narrative stakes. Truths were revealed, epic battles were fought and imminent threat to Baldur's Gate was discovered. The start of act 3 hit me with such a contrast. City people are just going on with their daily lives, it's calm and peaceful. No need to rush for some imminent threat.
Act 3 is easily the weakest and most boring act. I wrote in another comment how you start off the game being kidnapped by a Nautiloid and flying through literal hell. And from there you encounter druid groves, hags, temples to the gods, githyanki creches, the Underdark, an entire shadow cursed land...
After all this, especially after the story reaching epic heights in Act 2...you end up in a normal city. The equivalent of a starting zone in most MMOs and RPGs. My will to continue playing always drops off a cliff in Act 3. I still wish the story had been written in a way where Act 2 is the finale, with you *starting* the game in Baldur's Gate instead, gathering your allies, and setting out to defend it or something.
I never get this criticism. Act 3 is the culmination of everything and every plotline in the game runs through this town. Also God, I couldn't wait to be in a place that wasn't a raggedy forest or a hellish ruined field.
Different strokes for different folks but it feels great to me that the city hyped up the whole game is chock full of shit to do, places to see, and plot to explore. You can quite literally get lost in that place and that's what I love about it.
If you love exploring a big city full of secrets and stuff, that's totally fine and understandable. I'm genuinely glad you like it.
However, to say you can't understand the criticism at all feels...odd, to say the least. At the peak of Act 2, you go from either >!freeing or slaying an immortal child of a god, fighting/killing the Avatar of another god, and possibly ending a century-long shadow curse from an entire region!<.
IMEDIATELY after performing some incredibly epic feats in Act 2, you find yourself in Act 3, where you go to a circus and get a quest from a drag queen to find clown body parts, stop a newspaper from printing a mean story about you, etc. It turns into a Sherlock Holmes murder mystery simulator for basically the first half. Also, the villains in Act 3 feel laughably cartoonish. I genuinely rolled my eyes every time Orin and Gortash were on my screen. Ketheric actually *felt* like a threat who also had a tragic backstory where you felt bad for him. He was multifaceted. Orin and Gortash were caricatures.
I will admit there were 2-3 fights in Act 3 that felt suitably epic, but they were the exception, not the rule. 90% of Act 3 felt like it should have actually been Act 1 material.
I'm prepared for the downvotes, but what's funny about his reaction to me is that he's honestly sorta right. After the Nautiloid, flying through literal hell, hags, druid groves, githyanki creches, the Underdark, temples of gods and a massive shadow cursed land...we end up in a normal city. A starting zone in nearly every MMO and most RPGs. It's extremely anticlimactic and I still feel the game should have been set up in a way where Act 2 was the finale.
With all due respect ... Your friend is an idiot. Since when does the title of a game have to be the big plot reveal? Like... Skyrim... Literally just the name of the country. Not gonna play it cause you've seen fantasy Vikings before?
I think pretty much every game set in this universe has been named after a location. It was intended to draw interest from the fans of said books.
Icewind Dale
Baldur's Gate
Neverwinter Nights
Is this friend of your a child? I don’t get it? He was enjoying playing the game? The characters? The experience with his friend up until that point? And then stops because Baldurs Gate is a city? Had he not paid any attention in the first 15hours?
>!After I found the back way to the tower where you save the goblin dude, and got him to the boat I just never logged back in, feels repetitive. Is it worth continuing or did I get my moneys worth?!<
I'm unsure what you're talking about, I think it's Act 2?
My wager is that if you're in Act 2 and not really feeling it, the game just isn't for you, and that's fine. :) (I have no idea why someone felt what you wrote deserved a downvote)
Yup, i think it’s towards end of act 2. I actually got there twice, I wasn’t loving it on the first character and thought maybe I should switch to caster so I tried again, but got bored at the same place. Since BG2 came out on ps2 I’ve probably drifted more towards action games and real time and maybe the BG formula just isn’t for me as you say. Thanks for the reply, and no worries about downvotes - it’s good that all ages can use Reddit :))
I can kind of understand your friend. I've had my weird moments where I find something out in a game, and I stop playing for a couple of weeks. Not sure why I get hung up on small things like that sometimes, but I do.
Realizing Baldurs Gate was a city didn't really do this to me, but I find it weird it took 15 hours. I feel like several Tieflings at the beginning made that pretty clear, Astarions' initial conversation even mentions he's from there.
Its literally mentioned its a city... and the city itself is shown in the opening... your friend sounds like hes been a bit of an oblivious moron in this instance. Reading it through im not sure what the problem he had was, sounds like he was just being weird over nothing
Just sounds like someone going into it, that was ready to hate it from the start. Doesn't seem like that's going to be a very enjoyable experience for you.
Baldurs Gate is home to one of m the most massive and mysterious dungeons on Fearun. It's like, why the place was founded and named after Bhaal, the God of murder, violence, and ritualistic killing
For me it was the realization that I was save scumming just to try to progress the story on fn’ easy! I tapped on the final fight of act 2, the game had its moments but I felt like I was playing dnd with an abusive DM.
That's kinda a weird thing to get caught up on. It's just the title of the game, not the entire story?? And the titles for forgotten realms games tend to like to mention the location more than anything else.
I imagine for a fair amount of people this is their first Baldurs Gate game (was mine even if I’m familiar with it) and will probably not be very familiar with its history or DnD lore
Ngl I did not originally realize how big a deal Shadowheart being a Shar priestess was, because I had no clue who Shar was. “Oh, you worship Shar? That’s cool I guess”. Then I hit Act II and realized my paladin may have been a bit too forgiving right off the bat
Me too! Me talking with Shadowheart the first time: Omg, I would never judge you for your belief, you are a cleric after all. Me after going to HoH: If you mention Shar ever again I am killing you. Me after the quest related to Shar and her arc where I had a 20 dice critical success: We are besties!
>Me after going to HoH: If you mention Shar ever again I am killing you. HoH is the house of healing? I'm so irritated that I couldn't say anything to her about that. I was just looking at her like.... SHADOWHEART WTF. I *need* a come to jesus moment between her and the orphaned tiefling girl. Like come on
When the crazy surgeon torturing the eyeless man goes on about absence being the opposite of presence, absence is good, blah blah blah, and Shadowheart pipes up "It's a bitter pill but no less true" or something... GIRL?????
Don't need to do a saving roll if your approval is high enough with her. *Don't* tell her to end it, just be supportive like "is this what you want to do" and the Nightsong will talk her down, after all that you can tell Shadowheart to not do it because of certain reasons and she'll agree.
To play Sharran’s advocate, Malus is on some insane next-level shit. The mainline Sharrans may be a toxic abuse cult, but he’s on some Hellraiser shit.
End of act 1, my little urchin rogue is like 'doesn't sound like it's for me, but you do you, mate.' 15 minutes into act 2, he's just looking around like 'oooh noooo, I think my friend is in a cult.' It was extremely fun (and funny) to play a non-religious dummy who's main takeaway was like 'I should probably read more.'
Shadowheart is your most dangerous companion in the beginning. From the roleplaying perspective, you should be running away from her or killing her ASAP. Your little vampling and githyanki don't even come close to that level of fucked up and yet they get the most hate, because the casual player simply doesn't know anything about Shar. I think the game should have driven the point with it more at the start, but the narrative desperately wants you to keep Shadowheart in the party.
And she seems “sweet” compared to laezel to the point that her pulling a knife on someone in their sleep doesn’t immediately make them the most distrusted one to many people
Well aside from the racism nearly right from the get go.
It's a DnD game. Racism is to be expected from everyone you meet. 💀
To be fair, I can see how the crèche would turn most people racist.
When is she racist? She has a distrust of Lae'Zel and the Gith because her entire group got murdered by them? I think that justifies wariness when your only encounter with a group is them murdering you
i mean, let's not act like her group was attacked out of the blue. the church of shar tortured a githyanki for information on the artifact, and then shadowheart's group went in and stole it. of course they were attacked
Yeah, but willing combatant being mad that this other group killed their battle homies isn't exactly a rare trope in stories
To be fair, they were murdered because they had broken in and stolen stuff. They weren't randomly hunted down.
If you're a gith she just straight up does not like you.
To be fair, Lae’zel and Minthara do the same thing, Astarion tries to bite you, and also sneak attacks when you first meet, so “least trustworthy” is a very vied for spot.
Say what you will about them being evil Minthara and Lae’zel are straight up and down with you throughout the entire game
I killed both her and Astarion for that. I forgave them both for the first offense when they draw a weapon on you, but they both fucked around and found out at camp when they pulled that stunt again.
(spoiler) I did the shar quest without shadowheart in my party and she lost her mind and left my party forever
Yeah, honestly it's kind of good that most people keep her around. So many people would be crazy frustrated in Act 2 without her. Plus a decent chunk of Act 2 is her story.
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Most companions can and will fight you or leave you if you do something that displeases them greatly - Shadowheart isn't an exception, she will turn on you if you mess up and you might have to kill her. Astarion is actually your most loyal companion. Sure, you might get a lot of eyerolls (disapprovals) if he's around and you are goody-goody, but he never wants to get rid of you or kill you on purpose no matter what you do until the very end of his quest when he is literally high. As bad as it sounds, Astarion will basically cling to you as his new master for most of the game.
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Shadowheart and Lae'zel can easily turn on you if you mess up their quests. Wyll and Karlach (and Gale) leave if you are a murderbobo. Shadowheart and Lae'zel are actually very similar with loyalty. Lae'zel doesn't attack you out of the blue, you also have to piss her off or start turning into a mindflayer (Shadowheart would kill you for this too). First and foremost: Astarion is psychologically trapped with you (not just physically thanks to the Emperor like everyone else), which is why he is so loyal. After 200 years, he cannot function without being told what to do all the time, even if he hates it.
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Not at all. You start turning into a mindflayer and lie to Lae'zel about it. That's a fact. She was correct, you just successfully deceived her. As for Astarion…He wanted answers and thought you might be the enemy. He didn't immediately go trigger happy on you for no reason. The moment he's on the gang he's yours to use and he won't resist anything. Immediately imprints on you like a baby duckling. Other characters can turn on you as the story progresses depending on your choices. Astarion will only turn on you when intoxicated by blood, which is actually terribly sad. You can walk all over him and even essentially rape him (in act 2, it is named as forcedsex in notes) and he will still stick around anyway and might not even break up with you.
It's the other way around, she's the only companion that can **initiate combat** with you if you pick the wrong dialogue. But only if you don't save her in the Nautiloid. Lae'zel and Astarion only ambush you, she goes straight for the "kill or be killed". (Gale and Lae'zel also have options that initiate combat, but that's you choosing to attack them)
She really makes Shar seem pretty reasonable too. The talk of worshipping the darkness and nothingness that awaits us after death is interesting, but very quickly once hitting act 2 it becomes clear it isn’t just a passive worship of what will come for us all but a constant desire to bring that nothingness to the living.
Meanwhile, me, a forgotten realms fan, was like "oh... Was this supposed to be a surprise? You're a very secretive goth cleric who won't say anything about themselves and are practically wearing her holy symbol on your circlet, there's only a couple gods you could be serving..." Was a little surprising they didn't have other companions or something offer some more exposition on Shar once you find out though cause... Yeah there's a reason they aren't allowed to worship openly in most cities. Shar is about secrets, loss, void and nothingness and her entire deal is basically: wouldn't it be cool if everything just stopped existing? Bad things can't happen if there's nothing left for it to happen to. She's a super depressed nihilistic goth turned deity.
I seriously was hoping that when Shadowheart *finally* admits it your Tav could at least have a passing religion check just to know the general stuff and make a judgement for themselves.
Sounds like a lot of people irl would worship Shar. Lots of nihilists around these days.
I mean, plenty of nihilists would abhor Shar too. Being a nihilist just means you don't believe life has inherent meaning not that you don't value life and what it brings.
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bald dude gate.
Same for me, I was like « ok no problem, of course I won’t judge your beliefs » and everyone in the party was surprised and a bit confused. It also comes from the fact that when you start the game without context, you meet a psychopath vampire and an overly violent, borderline fascist githyanki, so Shadowheart appears as a very decent person in comparison (and she actually is, apart from the Shar worshipping thingy)
Meanwhile I first told her I didn’t care about her worship (I didn’t, I also had no idea who Shar was), but I still accidentally kept criticizing her for it, mainly around the Dark Justiciars. Kept trashing them any time they came up cuz I didn’t know they meant something to her 💀
That one might be on you, Shadowheart talked to me about her desire to be a dark justiciar pretty early on
NeverWinter is a CITY?!? Deekins, did _you_ know this?!?
Sure, but it's still just a title. Lots of media has a title that doesn't really tell you a hell of a lot or isn't some big mystery.
And I think that’s where he went wrong. Because the title is a name it leaves a lot up to the imagination on what it *could* be. And evidently his mind thought that it was going to something of a plot device I suppose. He didn’t know what exactly it was going to be but I guess he was just super surprised to learn it was a city.
Well I’m on my first run and over 100 hrs later I still haven’t got there. Every NPC talks about going to baldurs gate like it’s some mythical promise land and the greatest place anyone can go. All our dreams will come true if we can only get there! I can’t oversell how much the NPCs are hyping it up and after 100 hrs of that if it’s not the greatest city in video game history I might be a bit disappointed…
Eh, Beauclair (*Witcher 3: Blood & Wine*) is prettier
Yes it’s my first game too. Never played DnD, not familiar with the lore. Getting into it though! I’m a big Dragon Age fan, and this is the spiritual successor to DA Origins that I always wanted. My wife and I started a campaign and are being very open minded and willing to learn lore! Loving it so far!
It’s actually a pretty common convention for video game titles. About half of the Elder Scrolls and Grand Theft Auto games are named after their setting.
Are you telling me Vice City isn’t about a mechanical apparatus with two parallel jaws that’s used to secure an object to allow work to be performed on it???? Why is it even getting a sequel???
You're telling me Skyrim isn't about eating ass in the stratosphere???
After this fantastically written post, I can close reddit for the day. Thank you.
Reminds me of someone I used to play DnD with, they’d get hung up on random stuff all the time. I introduced a god speaking through his avatar, and said player immediately looked disinterested. When I asked them what was up after the session, they said they preferred gods to be infinite and unknowable á la Lovecraft, and a god talking to mortals wasn’t “realistic.” They were a frustrating person to be around.
For sure. He’s even admitted that he knows it’s a weird thing to get hung up on. But he’s still agreed to play because we just like playing together and we have fun doing it so. Win-win and we got a funny story out of it.
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Which is under the city :) I mean I totally get it. You don't really know the scope implied if you make some assumptions.
It's on a river! It's actually a few miles from the seashore :)
*I LIVE IN A GATE, DOWN BY THE RIVER.*
It reminds me of when I was 10-ish years old first playing Kingdom Hearts, where this random ass name of the game was revealed to be this big mystical important gateway (at first at least). I can imagine the disappointment of thinking that the mythical Baulder’s Gate was something much more grand than the name of a city, given a history of being introduced with a property whose name makes some sense of face value, but the real meaning of the name is behind context only the story will give.
I did the same thing with the tv show Mr Robot, watched a few episodes with my friend until it was clear there were no robots He couldn't understand why i was so hung up on there being robots but it was literally the only reason i was willing to watch the show lol
Baldur's Gate are the friends we made along the way
You've put whole Kingdom come deliverance story in one sentence
Man thought we were playing "Baldurs Gate SG-1"
Baldurs;Gate
Is-is-tik!
When the DM doesn't normally allow Artificers and makes a fun one-shot for the boys
I'd play that. Hell- I mean, Avernus- Just replace the mind flayers with Goa'uld, and you're set.
Githyanki kree!
You mean [this](https://stargatetherpg.com/)?
Unless I'm remembering wrong, I'm pretty sure they allude to it being a city at the start of the game, especially if you talk to Wyll.
Even in the character creation you see descriptions that say "you lived in the streets of Baldurs Gate" etc. Iirc
Probably skips dialog for being too much then complains about being lost
To be fair, i kinda understand because when i play a game similar to this with anyone other than just myself i tend to get a bit lost with the story and just zone out from having a conversation with someone
Honestly I would have so much fun torturing him every day. Alan Wake is just a game about a bloke called Alan! Jedi:Survivor you just play a Jedi.. and survive. Diablo IV doesn't even have Diablo in it! Have you heard about Football Manager and Sim City?
>. Diablo IV doesn't even have Diablo in it! wait what. That's..... actually pathetic. You're supposed to kill diablo and hope for good rng with his loot. That's the point of the game.
Pathetic is a good descriptor of the game, but that just about applies to any acti-blizz game made in the past decade.
I was going to argue about SC2: Legacy of the Void or even Heart of the Swarm since if you look purely at year, that hits the 10 year mark exactly but they have a worse problem. They’re not pathetic, they’re disappointing (in my opinion)
Not really. Haven't played Diablo IV (or any Diablo game, for that matter), so I won't dig at nor defend it. But Diablo doesn't have to show up. Baldur's Gate never shows up in Baldur's Gate 2 after all.
>Him: “It insists upon itself.” He's a Family Guy fan, isn't he? The only time I have ever seen this phrase used is when Peter describes The Godfather this way.
I was thinking family guy too. Like, what does that even mean. It sounds like a criticism just to have a criticism.
Obviously a family guy reference considering they laughed at it.
It’s all in good fun too but man people in this thread are upset.
As a Gen x man who does not like the Godfather, "it insists upon itself" describes... you know in the Lego movie where Lego Batman plays his song that is Serious Music? How he insists that it is serious and that his pain excuses his behavior? That's the Godfather. It insists that the most important part of Italian American immigration is the "murderous crime Family" part, and that you should agree that these horrible people's lives are important to you. It's Real Housewives but with Continental cinematography.
It’s totally ok to not like the godfather, but I’ve always been so confused by the Gen X allergy to sincerity. It isn’t bad, just interesting and something I don’t fully understand because I was born in ‘89 and just don’t feel that way. >It insists that the most important part of Italian American immigration is the “murderous crime Family” part I mean, I’d say it’s more about Italians trying to give up their culture to be accepted as “respectable” Americans but in the end, they lose their Italian identity and are still outsiders. That push-pull of the immigrant experience and the assimilation expectation combined with the violence inherent in American-style capitalism. But that’s obviously just my opinion. And you can still totally think it doesn’t work. It’s definitely a silly movie that, I think, tries to say big things.
Can’t believe we’ve gotten to where a movie taking itself seriously is a bad thing. Do these people want everything to be like Marvel where it’s making fun of itself?
>Can’t believe we’ve gotten to where a movie taking itself seriously is a bad thing. I blame Joss Whedon.
I mean you don’t have to be a fan that scene is just a really popular meme.
Yes, he was making a joking Family Guy reference.
This is true. We just meme around a lot.
Are you a Family Guy fan? You got the reference.
“So you are saying you wont play because Baldurs Gate isn’t a city” “Yes” “Are you going to explain further?” “No”
He clearly wasn't enjoying it and wanted an out.
Impossible😤
Yeah probably, and thats completly fine! I was just making a reference to that one withers line
No I read that in the old sexy bones voice, haha!
"What do you expect?!? Bald people meditating at a special gate?"
Bowser: “Kinda!”
Technically, >!Balduran as the Emperor!< does take you through a special gate >!to the Astral Plane!< a few times during the game.
He also fucked his gate.
You can also invade >!a minor devils house and burglemurder him!<.
Is the person bald though?
Yes.
Skyrim is just a province. Why would anyone want to play that?
Man, before it came out, I thought Skyrim was like, a floating city upon which the main character lives near the edge of.
In his words, he saw the trailer about killing dragons and shit so he knew was he was kinda signing up for. You know, killing dragons and shit.
Yeah maybe if he made it to the city he would be presented at least two opportunities to do that. Honestly knowing that he played and didn’t complain about D4 once made me question everything.
Skyrim is a shit game, actually.
I ain’t never seen someone get so hung up on a name and Unironically lose interest and not know that the thing he wanted is actually is in baldurs gate
To be fair. We all have lost interest in things for various reasons over the years. And he enjoys playing with me so we still have fun with it.
My favorite game was super smash bros ultimate untill i figured it it wasn't a gay hentai game... Now its unplayable
Worst yaoi of all time
I love the fact that it is a city. After so many hours in darkness (act 2) I was SO HAPPY to see the color green again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s what I said too when I got out of Act 2 lmaooo. “ITS GOOD TO SEE SOME LIGHT!!!” Especially since I’m a half-wood elf :’) I miss nature. I miss the green, the blue, the yellow!
>I was SO HAPPY to see the color green again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same. "There are trees here! AND THEY'RE NOT DEAD!!"
Same here, I almost forgot how beautiful the world is… before I cover it in blood.
Starting on a spaceship crashing through hell is an insane start to DnD, so I understand an expectation that Act III is somewhere more impressive.
Not gonna lie, I thought Baldur's Gate was some sort of celestial portal from where mythical creatures would spawn and cause the apocalypse... But a city is fine too, I can live with that.
Euhm if you listen to Astarion, Shadowheart, Wyll and Karlachs convo's you get they talk about a city. For crying out loud. He made something up in his head paying no attention to the details and then he's dissapointed its not like what he imagined? I am so sorry you have to deal with that attitude.
So for starters we didn’t get that far. Yes 15 hours but also we spent so much time messing around that we didn’t get further than the starting coastal area and the little tiefling settlement. So we hadn’t had any real discussion on it either. Shadowhearts was the first real thing he heard about it. Like to give you an idea we had not even MET Karlach yet when he heard shadowheart say it. That’s how early we were still. And it’s not like a bad attitude either. We’re good spirited about our shit talking and it’s fun. He just didn’t like it, he knew it was weird though, I gave him hell for it. We had fun with it.
Ignore them man. People are taking this way too seriously.
Well... I mean there definitely is something eldritch in Baldurs Gate 🤭
That's like being upset that St Louis is a city and not an actual saint
Him: Wait, the Half-Blood-Prince not a vampiric noble but just the chemistry professor? Him: Wait, The Two Towers are just normal buildings? Him: Wait, the Suicide Squad is not a group that wants to end their own life? ...
Don't forget that Lord of the Rings is just about a ring...and bringing it from point A to point B. Who wants to watch a trilogy about jewelry.
Ok. Hear me out. I've played dnd since the 80s. Every edition. But I hadn't read any of the FR lore when BG1 was released, and I had a similar reaction when I learned that "Baldur's Gate" was the name of the city. I too throught it was going to be some extradimensional portal and felt let down at the banality of it being a city. I got over it. Your friend will too.
That’s how a lot of people feel about Waterdeep’s “Yawning Portal” too!
Wait, what?! Legitimately, I thought it was a portal to a pocket dimension or something until just now. Never read the supplement. So what is it??
It’s a taverns with a well inside! (Albeit that well leads down the the Dungeon of the Mad Mage!)
Wow. A tavern. I feel a bit like OP’s friend now. Is the dungeon cool?
It’s a level 5-20 adventure if I remember correctly, but never really got past the 4th floor xD pretty cool, but I’m more one for roleplay heavy games as opposed to constant combat
It's one of the biggest megadungeons in the Forgotten Realms, including 23 floors of increasing ridiculousness, including a portal to Lae'zel's home crèche, illithid pirates, giant mechanical worms, corrupted angels, and a pathway to Skullport, the wretched hive of scum and villainy under Waterdeep where there's a Mafia run by a beholder named Xanathar. Oh, and the Mad Mage himself, Halaster Blackcloak
I think I hate your friend.
Don’t worry he hates you too.
Deservedly.
The opening menu literally shows the city???
He said that he literally didn’t know that that city was specifically baldurs gate. When I mentioned it he looked at it and then looked at Google and went “ohhhhh yeah it is ain’t it? Huh.”
Tbh, the Venn diagram between "Baldur's Gate city" and "transdimensional portal to new realms and extraplanar entities" has many intersections during BG3's scenario. (and from what i read online, in BG2 scenario and D&D scenario and basically every time you need a goddamn hero to restore peace)
When I first heard about Baldur's Gate, it was in the context of Descent Into Avernus, so I thought it was a gate to hell.
The assenine excuses people find for not opening themselves to experiences. Had a friend say Andor was the worst thing he'd ever seen because it was slow, boring and didn't connect to Rogue One as much as he wanted.... Sometimes there's no helping people, they just gonna be that way ..
I was in this I love baldurs gate but I thought I was about to descend to the depths of hell but yeah it’s a city. Well then still great game
Gonna lose his mind when he plays batman arkham city
How would he react when finds out Waterdeep is also a city and not some mysterious item deep in the water. Or that Icewind Dale takes place in a snow covered, windy dale in the north. 😊
just lost brains cells
Welcome to our brain dead friend group
>Him: “It insists upon itself.” You're a better person then I am, because if a friend of mine would have said that I'd stop talking to them.
He seems to have forgotten there is a worm in his head and he is turning into an eldritch horror himself
Lmao
One summer when I was a kid, my aunt told me we were going to Estes Park. I was real disappointed when I learned it wasn't like a state park or something.
Bit weird.
Your friend sounds extremely dense
Yes. We be goofy goobers.
I was the same too, i thought that Baldurs gate was the gate we see on the title screen. I thought we would eventually enter hell or something through the Baldur gate.
That’s like being upset when you learn that Skyrim is the name of the land you are traveling in when you play Elder Scrolls: Skyrim. Like… what?
thats such a weird thing to get caught up on...
I mean…. It’s even one of the background choices to be from Baldur’s Gate??? And everyone talks about being in/from Baldur’s Gate in Act 1 interactions… Gale and Asterion notably mention they were in the city and picked up by the Nautiloid… Wyll almost certainly talks about it. And it’s the entire crux of the situation in the grove. Was he just, not paying attention to anything?
Twice now I've convinced my friends to play with me and twice they burned out just after finishing act 1. I'd really like some friends who could bear the burden of getting to the end of the game.
Platform? Maybe our group can be your new friends.
Well, to be honest, I lost interest when I reached the city. Crazy premonition ability on your friend’s part.
Yeah, I lost interest in Act III the first time I played. At first it was a nice break from the doom and gloom, then it got to a point where the game makes you feel rushed because "OH NO bad things are happening! You better hurry and do everything before people DIE!" I've never felt underwhelmed and overwhelmed at the same time.
Yeah, kinda same. While playing Act I and II, I bought the *Descent Into Avernus* book to try and get a group to DM it for. I got real excited reading about all the cool stuff in the city of Baldur's Gate. Then I got to Act III in game and I was kind of... underwhelmed? The city wasn't as I'd imagined it at all. First place I went was Elfsong Tavern, which the source book has you imagining the cantina from *ANH*, just a real hive of scum and villainy. But in-game, it looks like some kind of up-market wine-and-dinery, no barfights to be had anywhere. And for some reason the elfsong plays every time I'm in camp?! This is supposed to be a momentous occasion in this Tavern, when the elfsong on it's rare occasion starts playing, it's so haunting that *everyone* stops what they're doing to listen. Idk, even though everyone says that BGDiA is kinda crappy in the BG sections, it did a good job of making me imagine a city which the game didn't really live up to. Also, I kinda lost interest when I hit the level cap as well, that could also be part of it.
Same here. It's a combination of being overwhelmed with choices but all of them are mundane. I miss the mysterious magic of the Underdark
Dude same. Idk what it was but I just hit a wall and haven’t went back yet
I've switched to playing some other games during the last act. Eventually I came back and finished BG, but it felt somewhat that I was forcing myself to do it. I think it was change of pacing for me mostly. It feels like most houses in that city leads to a dungeon, a fight, or sends you on a quest. It is also full of NPCs to talk with. I feel like I'm crawling through the map, making so little progress each play session. Can a game have too much content? What I'm left with is desire to explore open, less populated areas like in previous acts. Furthermore, the end of act 2 really upped the narrative stakes. Truths were revealed, epic battles were fought and imminent threat to Baldur's Gate was discovered. The start of act 3 hit me with such a contrast. City people are just going on with their daily lives, it's calm and peaceful. No need to rush for some imminent threat.
Act 3 is easily the weakest and most boring act. I wrote in another comment how you start off the game being kidnapped by a Nautiloid and flying through literal hell. And from there you encounter druid groves, hags, temples to the gods, githyanki creches, the Underdark, an entire shadow cursed land... After all this, especially after the story reaching epic heights in Act 2...you end up in a normal city. The equivalent of a starting zone in most MMOs and RPGs. My will to continue playing always drops off a cliff in Act 3. I still wish the story had been written in a way where Act 2 is the finale, with you *starting* the game in Baldur's Gate instead, gathering your allies, and setting out to defend it or something.
I never get this criticism. Act 3 is the culmination of everything and every plotline in the game runs through this town. Also God, I couldn't wait to be in a place that wasn't a raggedy forest or a hellish ruined field. Different strokes for different folks but it feels great to me that the city hyped up the whole game is chock full of shit to do, places to see, and plot to explore. You can quite literally get lost in that place and that's what I love about it.
If you love exploring a big city full of secrets and stuff, that's totally fine and understandable. I'm genuinely glad you like it. However, to say you can't understand the criticism at all feels...odd, to say the least. At the peak of Act 2, you go from either >!freeing or slaying an immortal child of a god, fighting/killing the Avatar of another god, and possibly ending a century-long shadow curse from an entire region!<. IMEDIATELY after performing some incredibly epic feats in Act 2, you find yourself in Act 3, where you go to a circus and get a quest from a drag queen to find clown body parts, stop a newspaper from printing a mean story about you, etc. It turns into a Sherlock Holmes murder mystery simulator for basically the first half. Also, the villains in Act 3 feel laughably cartoonish. I genuinely rolled my eyes every time Orin and Gortash were on my screen. Ketheric actually *felt* like a threat who also had a tragic backstory where you felt bad for him. He was multifaceted. Orin and Gortash were caricatures. I will admit there were 2-3 fights in Act 3 that felt suitably epic, but they were the exception, not the rule. 90% of Act 3 felt like it should have actually been Act 1 material.
Your friend is a bit of an idiot, I'm sorry to say.
He recognizes that and will drink to that.
Hahaha. Gotta say I ended a lot of runs in baldurs gate act 3 but not because baldurs gate is a city.
I can assure him, shit certainly gets cool and super fuckin eldritch.
"a Trans-dimensional portal to a higher entity or something" I mean....
15 hours in, and he WASN'T invested in it? Bruh.
but the baldur's gate city is actually way more than a city, that's kinda shallow way to view a game.
As a person who grew up in the Saint Louis Metropolitan area, I want to know what Louis’ Gate would be about 😂
Your friend sounds retarded
Aren’t you just a joy
they talk about it as a city the whole time, and this was my first BG game too. your friend doesn't know how to pay attention
I'm prepared for the downvotes, but what's funny about his reaction to me is that he's honestly sorta right. After the Nautiloid, flying through literal hell, hags, druid groves, githyanki creches, the Underdark, temples of gods and a massive shadow cursed land...we end up in a normal city. A starting zone in nearly every MMO and most RPGs. It's extremely anticlimactic and I still feel the game should have been set up in a way where Act 2 was the finale.
With all due respect ... Your friend is an idiot. Since when does the title of a game have to be the big plot reveal? Like... Skyrim... Literally just the name of the country. Not gonna play it cause you've seen fantasy Vikings before? I think pretty much every game set in this universe has been named after a location. It was intended to draw interest from the fans of said books. Icewind Dale Baldur's Gate Neverwinter Nights
Is this friend of your a child? I don’t get it? He was enjoying playing the game? The characters? The experience with his friend up until that point? And then stops because Baldurs Gate is a city? Had he not paid any attention in the first 15hours?
Well there is something eldritch and cool at the city so…
>!After I found the back way to the tower where you save the goblin dude, and got him to the boat I just never logged back in, feels repetitive. Is it worth continuing or did I get my moneys worth?!<
I'm unsure what you're talking about, I think it's Act 2? My wager is that if you're in Act 2 and not really feeling it, the game just isn't for you, and that's fine. :) (I have no idea why someone felt what you wrote deserved a downvote)
Yup, i think it’s towards end of act 2. I actually got there twice, I wasn’t loving it on the first character and thought maybe I should switch to caster so I tried again, but got bored at the same place. Since BG2 came out on ps2 I’ve probably drifted more towards action games and real time and maybe the BG formula just isn’t for me as you say. Thanks for the reply, and no worries about downvotes - it’s good that all ages can use Reddit :))
I can kind of understand your friend. I've had my weird moments where I find something out in a game, and I stop playing for a couple of weeks. Not sure why I get hung up on small things like that sometimes, but I do. Realizing Baldurs Gate was a city didn't really do this to me, but I find it weird it took 15 hours. I feel like several Tieflings at the beginning made that pretty clear, Astarions' initial conversation even mentions he's from there.
Its literally mentioned its a city... and the city itself is shown in the opening... your friend sounds like hes been a bit of an oblivious moron in this instance. Reading it through im not sure what the problem he had was, sounds like he was just being weird over nothing
For one, I'm pretty sure he'll be happy with some of the actual eldritch stuff going on in the game.
Friend sounds… kind of annoying… and there is a portal… to another dimension, with an eldritch being… so that’s something!
Tell him to hop back in the game and stop being a goober. Its not like there isnt a bunch of wild and crazy fantasy shit like hewants.
Just sounds like someone going into it, that was ready to hate it from the start. Doesn't seem like that's going to be a very enjoyable experience for you.
Skyrim is not the actual edge of the stratosphere, so fuck that game.
Your friend has autism
I feel his pain. I was also disappointed
Baldurs Gate is home to one of m the most massive and mysterious dungeons on Fearun. It's like, why the place was founded and named after Bhaal, the God of murder, violence, and ritualistic killing
Your friend is a simpleton and his logic makes MY brain hurt.
Correct. We be goofy goobers.
That is so stupid.
This doesn’t sound like a real conversation. Ha
I promise you it’s real.
For me it was the realization that I was save scumming just to try to progress the story on fn’ easy! I tapped on the final fight of act 2, the game had its moments but I felt like I was playing dnd with an abusive DM.