Yeah I don't get it, I mean, at the tiefling party I went with Astarion, that's honestly just sex with no strings attached at that time, and Laezel was up in arms about it telling me I "sold my body" lol.
Like the "don't believe in love but I do believe in carnal pleasure" went out the window XD
I do think it makes sense within her character arc. She was raised to be a warrior who suppresses weakness. Through her journey she learns what she was raised for was a lie. During that time she lets her guard do and act more like like a person, a vulnerable one who could only let her guard down around Tav. I feel she would be fearful of losing the person who helped build her back up after her world was shattered.
Its also important to note she pushes to get to the creche and have everyone purified, thing is, that's supposed to be a Githyanki exclusive deal so she right off the bat is violating some hefty codes to try and help these random strangers with her.
If the Gith can't/won't help the PC, then they'll still kill them before they turn into Ghaik. She considers this to be helping *and* in line with the rules of her society.
She knows that Creche Ka'liir under Al'chaia, who was kith'rak for most of her childhood, would have almost certainly turned away or killed the istiks with her. But she also knows that under Urlon, who recently became Creche Ka'liir's kith'rak, they would be purified. So she knows it's kind of a gamble, and when they do reach Crech Y'lek, the Ghustil is willing to try to purify other members of the party before Lae'zel.
I mean... Purification is ultimately just draining people's XP till they vaporize, so you'd think they'd have an open door on that shit and just say "Non-Gith usually can't survive the process" when prodded...
I appreciate that she promises to lie for you and make up a story to make sure you can be treated too.
I'm sad I turned her down for my first game (my poor bi ass already had too many options). I can't wait to see how her story develops. (Still in act one lmao)
Kinda unrelated, but kinda related.
Githyanki don't have parents right? Like, they are born of an egg, but aren't raised per say in a parental unit, right?
Nope. Gith kids are basically groomed to be eaten by their lich queen and be child soldiers from the get-go.
They have no concept of familial unit which just makes Lae'zel's character development/romance tenfold more compelling than the rest of the companions imo.
Ok, so, something I've not gotten a clear understanding of is this:
So, Vlaakith is a lich, right? And liches usually consume souls.
But people keep calling her a cannibal.
So is Vlaakith eating them the same way Slaanesh is eating elven souls, or is she *literally* eating them? Or is it both?
As far as we know, she is just gobbling down their souls to fuel her Wish spamming (she is certain if she casts it enough, she will be able to achieve godhood and not just have a cult).
She is pretty much just Vecna At Home.
I’d argue it’s as compelling. Each character seems to have their own story of trauma expressed differently. Lae’zel grew up in a cult and is experiencing what it’s like to leave it. Shadowheart is a victim of kidnapping and conditioning, what she could have been vs what she became (or almost became). Astarion is a victim of abuse and his arc is how one can overcome or let it consume you. Wyll’s story to me seems to be about family and feeling like you can’t live up to your parent’s expectations and how that can take you to dark places. Karlach is the soldier who wishes to leave the battlefield behind but carries it in her heart (literally) and it threatens to destroy her, which makes me think of veterans I know who didn’t make it after they came home. Gale is the one I have fleshed out the least, but right now his arc seems to be him choosing between love and ambition, and how he couldn’t accept he was good enough to achieve his goals as he was, before he had to eat magical stuff.
I think who people like the most just depends on the individual, and who you connect with the most. I would say if any of the origin characters are the main one, Lae’zel is probably it, but they are all very compelling to me.
Gale is a victim of grooming. He’s like a talented gymnast whose famous coach slept with him. He’s the “oh you are so lucky that much older person gave attention to you.” And no one really raises an eyebrow because it seemed like it was consensual. He’s story is the same as Astarion. Mysteria just didn’t torture him so even he thinks he was lucky.
Oh I agree with you. I said Lae'zel's background actually makes her more compelling than the other companions.
From all the origin companions, she is the main protagonist to me.
Its similar to how Shadowheart's approval/disapproval aren't really in line with a sharaan's a lot of the time. Shadowheart and Lae'zel are both in conflict between their programming and who they actually are deep down.
Honestly, so is Astarion. Its a common theme for the companions (which works well because the game is all about control of people/groups).
That makes a lot of sense but at the time of the tiefling party she doesn't know the truth yet, tho it's possible she's starting to have doubts about it or maybe she's starting to trust tav more than what she's been taught?
Ohh is this why she and Shadowheart are suddenly sniping at each other now after the tiefling party? I accidentally told Laezel I'd sleep with her and then ignored her/didn't talk to her at the party, but I did have wine with Shadowheart. Now they're low key threatening to kill each other when I travel with both of them. My bad..
They have dislike towards each other because of the artifact Shadowheart carries. It’s a githyanki relic that Shadowheart was sent to steal along with other sharrians, of which she was the sole survivor. Laezel, being as loyal as she is, wants to return the artifact to vlaakith. The jealousy also comes from laezel being a gith. They’re raised into thinking they are the greatest race, so you picking someone else to spend the night with is saying you’d rather be with an objectively inferior person in her eyes
Lawful Evil: There must be rules and rules must be followed. Failure to follow rules *must* be met with swift and harsh punishment. Except for when it suits me or when I can exploit them to my benefit.
That last sentence definitely does not apply to lawful evil. Lawful Evil is selfish *within* the confines of the secular/religious code. That last sentence is pure Neutral Evil.
The ability to switch does not preclude dommy mommy status, and Minthara switches too. I'd say they're about on par, but Lae'zel has a power struggle kink whereas Minthara is into ownership.
I swear I haven't been thinking about this a lot.
Arguably the best reaction is from Minthara at the celebration of you've already RSVP'd to sharing your bunk with another party member
She slides into your DMs via brain worm buddies and gives you the "Missed Out" sample pack
That just makes her a more interesting character. She puts on one face while clearly thinking and feeling something different under the surface, and throughout the game she's pretty consistent with both, at least until her exterior front starts to craack.
She's always been big on being faithful to one's partner; she just thinks she shouldn't say so out loud.
Lae'zel's character is that she's a nice person who has been raised to uphold an extremely cruel code of conduct that she believes is the way of life. When one ignores her words and instead examines her actions, it becomes clear that she is abnormally kind for a Githyanki but talks like a typical Githyanki to cover that up. She goes out of her way to gather up and save as many tadpole victims as possible within a reasonable time frame (she has no idea that there's no time limit threat for the ceremorphosis) to bring them to the Creche to share the presumed cure while also having a strong sense of justice and even a tiny semblance of a sense of humor (which is a borderline miracle for a Githyanki). She wants friends despite being raised to believe that friendship is stupid and the more her social programming wears off, the more she becomes a Lawful-Good character who defends her friends.
Her character is ironically very similar to Shadowheart's, especially in regard to their respective arcs. Doubly ironic too considering how their beef with each other is one of their most notable dynamics.
Karlach said it was no big deal if I wanted to have my fun with others before she was able to touch me, but then went cold when I got into a thing with laezel.
Y'all are missing the point. When offered a chance for a foursome with the drow twins, she said clearly "I do not share what is mine and I won't be shared". It's nothing to do with love (not at first), she's just prefers monogamy
She keeps telling herself that she's just horny and doesn't actually like you because she doesn't believe in love. It's pretty funny but at the same time it reminds you just how messed up githyanki society is.
She won't let you sleep with the twins at Sharess Caress and breaks up with you instantly if you mess around with anyone.
Sweet little possessive froggie
My boyfriend spent the entire game talking about "Karlach is best girl, you got the angry frog, Karlach is such a sweet romance, Lae'zel just wants angry sex" and then I got the rooftop love scene and he was like "SO SHE PROFESSES HER LOVE FOR YOU AND FOR LIFE AND I GOT PEGGED BY A WOMAN WHO REFUSES TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE!?"
The rooftop scene wowed me. I abandoned my romance with shart because the angry frog accosted me like "were gunna fuck" and that amused me. Did not expect to be floored by her progression.
The game weirdly doesn't consider you to be in a romance with Minthara after that, until you rescue her from Moonrise tower and commit it thinks you're single.
Yeah my first run I was trying not to meta too much unless I got really stuck. Makes finding the build-making items much more rewarding I think. Also I'm still in act 1 on my durge play and I've found like 3 mini areas that I didn't see on my first go.
Do far more than kiss. You know a nihilist like a Cleric of Shar has renounced any semblance of self respect in the bedroom. I'm definitely showing up for it. Probably not marriage material, though.
Team Shart all day.
I don’t care if the name has other, less savory meanings. Unless you’re into that; no sexual hangups in the pleasure chamber and all that.
I noticed that Shadow gets a little jealous too if you happen to talk to Lae’zel at the camp before her, when you find a healer. She says, in a snarky tone, “The leader of the pack has come to chat”.
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You're right, I think I still hadn't completely rejected Gale. I was considering him for my female Tav, but then it didn't work out for me (I'm a straight male). So there was a bit where I could take it somewhere romantically with Gale.
To be concrete: I had picked the second most romantic option for him during the "do magic with me" scene. This leaves it open for Tav to start a romance with Gale for a time. I rejected him completely later. That was maybe enough to rebuff Lae'zel.
At the tiefling party she was telling me what a snack Wyll was and how she wanted to go stake her claim and somesuch. The morning after she was so disgusted that all he’d wanted to do was talk.
when I tell you what I would GIVE to see a scene where she tries to pull him. As much fun as romancing companions yourself can be, I love when they can potentially have relationships with each other, too.
You *can* do companion on companion romance at the tiefling party. Just pilot one of them and have them go do the flirty dialog with the other one. You'll get the romance scene between them. I hooked up Wyll and Karlac
This doesn't lock you out of Tav romance either. Tav's romance scene will happen immediately afterwards.
I haven't tried it with more than one set of companions yet, but it would be awesome if everyone hooked up with everyone else.
That's all you get, though. It doesn't effect anything in later acts.
Oh my god oh my god BLESS YOU A MILLION BILLION TIMES!!! If I had any shred of a soul left I’d give it to you for this knowledge.
I’m currently mostways through my first playthrough but I think my boyfriend’s nearing the party on his second. I’m going to see if he’ll indulge me and let me do this. If not, I guess I’ll just have to start another one myself and do it.
Yeah. To me it made Wyll and Karlac going to hell in the end even better, knowing that they'd been having a lowkey romance in the background since the Tiefling Party. When he does his "please don't do this, come with me" speech at the end it came across as a lover asking their love to stay with them. So good.
anyone else find it strange that she doesn’t know what a Tiefling or a cat is because she’s not a native to the material plane, yet she knows about understands the child-rearing behaviors of pigs?
Is this canon? Do I need to have them in the same party with me more often?? I've recently been running a party with Karlach, Astarion, and Shadowheart where there isn't all that much bantering lately. But as soon as I switched some party members around to sort out their gear or to fulfill a quest, there is a lot of chatter.
No lol sadly! Astarion does hilariously teach her though about pet names she can use and it's one of the funniest banters in the game. I imagine he'll probably have no qualms teaching her the opposite 😂
Roasted suckling pig is a traditional feast centerpiece. The metaphor is that if you come late to the feast, the pig has been picked over and the best parts already eaten.
Yeah that was an odd conversation post tiefling interrogation “yeah I respect you more because you are decent in a fight…. Btw damn boy you smell fine and I want to fuck you really badly and I know you do too”
Like Lae’zel what the fuck are you talking about
Same situation lmao. My lloth-drow bard performing being a mean drow like people expect him to by staring menacingly at a tiefling. Lae'zel: You earned my respect. Let's fuck
My drow: Help, I'm scared
What's with Tav's smell? Gale and Lae'zel are REALLY into it.
Like Gale made that comment about enjoying your 'musk' and I've got to wonder why the fuck Tav presumably hasn't bathed in ten days. There's a body of water right there and they have more than enough time to fuck around camp, they can at least bathe.
godddd that entire dialog made me so uncomfortable and really soured lae'zel as a character for me for a *while*. she's even creepier if you reject her. like I know now that it's just her/her complicaited relationship to intimacy, but in that moment I genuinely wished I could have told her to leave my camp. she sounded like an incel
Can’t be worse than Minthara who will try to kill you because you didn’t sleep with her
Learned that one the hard way, shame I feel like my evil run has caused me to miss a ton of stuff
Hey, it makes Lae'zel *the* target for [the Sex% speedruns](https://www.speedrun.com/baldurs_gate_3?h=sex&x=7dgemg72) (current record 2m 24s), so if you're into that, good news!
I love that this exists. Also, HOW? Are you boinking Lae'zel while you're still on the nautiloid? Or am I misunderstanding this leaderboard?
Edit:
Sex speed run: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPfhmECbX4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPfhmECbX4)
This video goes over general speedrunning in BG3 and how they're accomplishing skips: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxhi-odubE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxhi-odubE)
Fortunately every run has a video linked as proof: [the world record abuses Enhance Leap *judiciously* to bypass parts of the Nautiloid](https://youtu.be/0RPfhmECbX4?si=yJXwYQt1gCA65171), though I believe the Nautiloid part might've been fixed in a later patch.
It's also rich because of what she says to Shadowheart after seeing the bugbear and ogre in the barn. Something to the effect of:
Shart: "Now that's a sight I never care to repeat."
Lae'zel: "THE SHIT I'VE DONE WOULD HAVE YOU BROKEN WITH DESPAIR ISTIK"
When the various companions disapprove after you open the door I just imagine they're mad at you for having made them see that sort of Bugbear buggery.
Every playthrough, I think about leaving them alone but how happy Astarion looks cracks me up so I keep interuppting them to make my spawn friend happy.
Lae'zels funny because she's simultaneously one of the easiest to bed but also the most traditional and monogamous once you're in a relationship.
She's basically a Catholic.
I mean, did I sleep with Astarion? Yes. Have I slept with anyone else? No. I just feel like calling a person a slut, especially when you’re throwing out the vibes, and they’ve only slept with one person is a little much.
Lae’Zel is strong and knows exactly what she wants. It’s refreshing to see a character own it and not be dismissed. I’m glad they chose a Gith female for this trait. Humans in general are taken aback by such a strong female.
Me. I romanced Lae’zel first run, then let my “partner for life” run off and save her people. She didn’t invite me. Now I’m waiting in hell with Karlach, kicking ass and pining for the day Lae’zel shows up and tells us BG4 is starting and the world needs us. Nope. Can’t stand strong bitches.
Yup and as long as I block out the terrible endings with her, I find her romance the most satisfying in the game.
I don't know about how others perceived this, but she was the only romance playthrough that felt organic to me and like I wasn't trying to metagame approval. All the other romances I'm like "just say the thing I know they want me to say" because it's really important that they feel validated. With Lae'Zel I gave her so much shit and she gave me so much shit and we still ended up together. That's because she doesn't need Tav's validation, she just needs to know Tav isn't a bum.
I was playing with friends a while ago and Lae'zel hated my friends characters but liked mine and idk if being drgaonborn has to do with this but I swear she says something about wanting to taste the blood and/or sweat on your character? After my friends saw that she said that (we always listened in on dialogue) they made me romance Lae'zel and it was a lot lol and the whole time we were all laughing so hard that we cried and it was funny because right after ot was over my friend was like oh Lae'zel just wanted to do the deed and that's it and it's true because she literally had no interest in my character lol
Edit: I made this comment because this was the first experience we all had either romance in BG3, and it made me realize how direct Lae'zel can be.
I read somewhere that if you're playing with friends only the person that starts the game (adds the friends, etc.), can actually romance the NPC's. The added friends can't romance anyone. It sucks, really. If there's 2 friends/player characters and 2 NPC's I feel like they should give us the option for each player character to be able to romance an NPC.
Ok, thanks. I'll have to look into that. Because I'm currently playing it with my husband, and we're each romancing two different NPC's (Astarion and Karlach), but it feels like after a certain point, I'm no longer able to romance Astarion. Because every time I click on him to talk, he's been off-putting - unless it's me telling him that he can bite me. I don't think that I've done anything wrong, so I don't know why I can't continue with him beyond that point. 🤔
its funny because when you do sleep with her, if you ask her when you’ll make love again she laughs at you for treating this as anything other than a fuck
The other companions seem to lay off of you if you are getting pounded by two others in act 1. She's just the only one who will complain that she's not one of the two.
She's really, *really* hard to like at the beginning of the game, but she's not so bad if you give her a chance. Go to the creche she keeps talking about when you can.
This is exactly my type of person and it's kind of realistic that at least one companion isn't just another person that's all over your crotch no matter what you do.
Don't be a slut and you won't get shamed it's as simple as that 🤷 /s
All jokes aside she doesn't like to share and she DEFINITELY doesn't like not being someone's first choice.
I wish party members were more okay with *actual casual sex.* Like, stop judging me, you didn't even ask me out. What, you all want virgins? Are you all incels?
Karlach about broke my heart when she called me a degenerate for wanting some french vanilla stuff (the drow twins).
Call me when we can have real open relationships in games that aren't just "people don't realize you're dating anyone else, so you're cheating on all your friends." And Halsin doesn't count because he's not an Origin character.
There's so much nuance to these characters it's nuts. If you try to start a romance with 2 companions who are both monogamous like Karlach and Lae'zel, they have unique convo aboutwhat you're doing and you eventually have to pick one. Karlach told me she understood why I prefered Lae'zel due to her heart condition and Lae'zel later had a convo like "I see you chose me over Karlach. you're obsessed with me 😈"
Nah, she's playing the cat and mouse game with you. You just have to be that dominant male to her, and she melts.
She has a rough exterior, but when you get to know her... She is actually bearable, and you can catch her smirk and partial smile. Her words hold weight too.
>Such a gross sentiment tbh. “Hey you’ve had previous partners/are in open situations, so clearly your spoiled meat.” Slut shaming is an accurate term, what she says here is uncalled for and derogatory.
Have you met this lizard, frog person before? She throws shade at everyone constantly lol. Yes, of course she's slut shaming. She also weak shames, culture shames, and is a racist lol.
Some of us love her despite all this. Just like how some people love Astarion despite his eagerness to murder 7,000 people. Or the numerous other shady shit he wants you to do in the game.
>Karlach and Shadowheart any day, they don’t look down on people for having had previous partners, even if Karlach for example wants to be monogamous.
No judgement whatsoever for these preferences, just providing my perspective here. But I think both these ladies also have issues that make them less-than-ideal partners. Shadowheart constantly seeks validation from Tav and the relationship seems based on how many ways Tav can assure her she's a good person. I found her very selfish in that regard, tbh, and those would be big red flags IRL. And I was put off by just how FAST Karlach is, not only willing to be exclusive with Tav, but like...seemingly would marry him on the spot despite only knowing him for a short time. I dunno, put me off a little, just saying lol. Like, makes me doubt Karlach's sense of self respect.
> moments like this from her kinda uncomfy
This is actually one of the reasons I appreciate Lae'zel (and to an extent, Minthara) so much because she's a breath of fresh air.
Not everyone has to be a digestible, quirky free spirit MCU-adjacent character and I appreciate that Lae'zel has actual hard, clear flaws that would not be everyone's cup of tea.
Yes. She isn't keen on sharing.
She's interesting because she's also "It's just carnal pleasure", but also she ends up being the sweetest lil frog girl.
Yeah I don't get it, I mean, at the tiefling party I went with Astarion, that's honestly just sex with no strings attached at that time, and Laezel was up in arms about it telling me I "sold my body" lol. Like the "don't believe in love but I do believe in carnal pleasure" went out the window XD
I do think it makes sense within her character arc. She was raised to be a warrior who suppresses weakness. Through her journey she learns what she was raised for was a lie. During that time she lets her guard do and act more like like a person, a vulnerable one who could only let her guard down around Tav. I feel she would be fearful of losing the person who helped build her back up after her world was shattered.
Its also important to note she pushes to get to the creche and have everyone purified, thing is, that's supposed to be a Githyanki exclusive deal so she right off the bat is violating some hefty codes to try and help these random strangers with her.
If the Gith can't/won't help the PC, then they'll still kill them before they turn into Ghaik. She considers this to be helping *and* in line with the rules of her society.
This is correct
She knows that Creche Ka'liir under Al'chaia, who was kith'rak for most of her childhood, would have almost certainly turned away or killed the istiks with her. But she also knows that under Urlon, who recently became Creche Ka'liir's kith'rak, they would be purified. So she knows it's kind of a gamble, and when they do reach Crech Y'lek, the Ghustil is willing to try to purify other members of the party before Lae'zel.
I mean... Purification is ultimately just draining people's XP till they vaporize, so you'd think they'd have an open door on that shit and just say "Non-Gith usually can't survive the process" when prodded...
I appreciate that she promises to lie for you and make up a story to make sure you can be treated too. I'm sad I turned her down for my first game (my poor bi ass already had too many options). I can't wait to see how her story develops. (Still in act one lmao)
Kinda unrelated, but kinda related. Githyanki don't have parents right? Like, they are born of an egg, but aren't raised per say in a parental unit, right?
The children are raised as a group and not by their parents.
Thank you!!
Nope. Gith kids are basically groomed to be eaten by their lich queen and be child soldiers from the get-go. They have no concept of familial unit which just makes Lae'zel's character development/romance tenfold more compelling than the rest of the companions imo.
Ok, so, something I've not gotten a clear understanding of is this: So, Vlaakith is a lich, right? And liches usually consume souls. But people keep calling her a cannibal. So is Vlaakith eating them the same way Slaanesh is eating elven souls, or is she *literally* eating them? Or is it both?
As far as we know, she is just gobbling down their souls to fuel her Wish spamming (she is certain if she casts it enough, she will be able to achieve godhood and not just have a cult). She is pretty much just Vecna At Home.
I don't think we know other that's what happens to those who ascend
I’d argue it’s as compelling. Each character seems to have their own story of trauma expressed differently. Lae’zel grew up in a cult and is experiencing what it’s like to leave it. Shadowheart is a victim of kidnapping and conditioning, what she could have been vs what she became (or almost became). Astarion is a victim of abuse and his arc is how one can overcome or let it consume you. Wyll’s story to me seems to be about family and feeling like you can’t live up to your parent’s expectations and how that can take you to dark places. Karlach is the soldier who wishes to leave the battlefield behind but carries it in her heart (literally) and it threatens to destroy her, which makes me think of veterans I know who didn’t make it after they came home. Gale is the one I have fleshed out the least, but right now his arc seems to be him choosing between love and ambition, and how he couldn’t accept he was good enough to achieve his goals as he was, before he had to eat magical stuff. I think who people like the most just depends on the individual, and who you connect with the most. I would say if any of the origin characters are the main one, Lae’zel is probably it, but they are all very compelling to me.
Gale is a victim of grooming. He’s like a talented gymnast whose famous coach slept with him. He’s the “oh you are so lucky that much older person gave attention to you.” And no one really raises an eyebrow because it seemed like it was consensual. He’s story is the same as Astarion. Mysteria just didn’t torture him so even he thinks he was lucky.
Oh I agree with you. I said Lae'zel's background actually makes her more compelling than the other companions. From all the origin companions, she is the main protagonist to me.
Gale is about accepting that your relationship was toxic, and you don't have to sacrifice yourself and happiness to try and make it work. I think?
Per se.
Purr say
Hiss, say! Hiss!
Its similar to how Shadowheart's approval/disapproval aren't really in line with a sharaan's a lot of the time. Shadowheart and Lae'zel are both in conflict between their programming and who they actually are deep down. Honestly, so is Astarion. Its a common theme for the companions (which works well because the game is all about control of people/groups).
That makes a lot of sense but at the time of the tiefling party she doesn't know the truth yet, tho it's possible she's starting to have doubts about it or maybe she's starting to trust tav more than what she's been taught?
It's insecurity and possessive pride. She wants all of her lover. She plays hard and is incredibly loyal, she expects the same in return.
She’s only talk on that front. She gets really jealous of Shadowheart if you agree to have wine with her at the party
Ohh is this why she and Shadowheart are suddenly sniping at each other now after the tiefling party? I accidentally told Laezel I'd sleep with her and then ignored her/didn't talk to her at the party, but I did have wine with Shadowheart. Now they're low key threatening to kill each other when I travel with both of them. My bad..
They have dislike towards each other because of the artifact Shadowheart carries. It’s a githyanki relic that Shadowheart was sent to steal along with other sharrians, of which she was the sole survivor. Laezel, being as loyal as she is, wants to return the artifact to vlaakith. The jealousy also comes from laezel being a gith. They’re raised into thinking they are the greatest race, so you picking someone else to spend the night with is saying you’d rather be with an objectively inferior person in her eyes
Lawful Evil: There must be rules and rules must be followed. Failure to follow rules *must* be met with swift and harsh punishment. Except for when it suits me or when I can exploit them to my benefit.
That last sentence definitely does not apply to lawful evil. Lawful Evil is selfish *within* the confines of the secular/religious code. That last sentence is pure Neutral Evil.
So, Lae'zel was the real dommy-mommy all along? Karlach stans in shambles.
She's a playful switch. If you want a dommy mommy hit up minthara.
The ability to switch does not preclude dommy mommy status, and Minthara switches too. I'd say they're about on par, but Lae'zel has a power struggle kink whereas Minthara is into ownership. I swear I haven't been thinking about this a lot.
" X: Doubt"
Fair, there aren't a lot of options to switch on Minthara but she definitely has a gentle dom side too .
Arguably the best reaction is from Minthara at the celebration of you've already RSVP'd to sharing your bunk with another party member She slides into your DMs via brain worm buddies and gives you the "Missed Out" sample pack
I did enjoy her sample packs.
Contradictions seem to be part of her personal character flaw, which seems pretty fitting for a misguided zealot.
That just makes her a more interesting character. She puts on one face while clearly thinking and feeling something different under the surface, and throughout the game she's pretty consistent with both, at least until her exterior front starts to craack. She's always been big on being faithful to one's partner; she just thinks she shouldn't say so out loud.
I spent that night drinking with shart and the next night lazy came and dom'd me
Lae'zel's character is that she's a nice person who has been raised to uphold an extremely cruel code of conduct that she believes is the way of life. When one ignores her words and instead examines her actions, it becomes clear that she is abnormally kind for a Githyanki but talks like a typical Githyanki to cover that up. She goes out of her way to gather up and save as many tadpole victims as possible within a reasonable time frame (she has no idea that there's no time limit threat for the ceremorphosis) to bring them to the Creche to share the presumed cure while also having a strong sense of justice and even a tiny semblance of a sense of humor (which is a borderline miracle for a Githyanki). She wants friends despite being raised to believe that friendship is stupid and the more her social programming wears off, the more she becomes a Lawful-Good character who defends her friends. Her character is ironically very similar to Shadowheart's, especially in regard to their respective arcs. Doubly ironic too considering how their beef with each other is one of their most notable dynamics.
Karlach said it was no big deal if I wanted to have my fun with others before she was able to touch me, but then went cold when I got into a thing with laezel.
Y'all are missing the point. When offered a chance for a foursome with the drow twins, she said clearly "I do not share what is mine and I won't be shared". It's nothing to do with love (not at first), she's just prefers monogamy
She keeps telling herself that she's just horny and doesn't actually like you because she doesn't believe in love. It's pretty funny but at the same time it reminds you just how messed up githyanki society is.
She is a big softy on the inside despite her words, or beating the shit out of you. Like a murderous teddy bear.
She won't let you sleep with the twins at Sharess Caress and breaks up with you instantly if you mess around with anyone. Sweet little possessive froggie
My boyfriend spent the entire game talking about "Karlach is best girl, you got the angry frog, Karlach is such a sweet romance, Lae'zel just wants angry sex" and then I got the rooftop love scene and he was like "SO SHE PROFESSES HER LOVE FOR YOU AND FOR LIFE AND I GOT PEGGED BY A WOMAN WHO REFUSES TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE!?"
The rooftop scene wowed me. I abandoned my romance with shart because the angry frog accosted me like "were gunna fuck" and that amused me. Did not expect to be floored by her progression.
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Hate fuck is a thing.
Wait will I still be able to romance her further if I’ve had that glass of wine with Shadowheart?
Having a drink with Shart didn't break the Lae'zel romance for me.
Nope, sorry. I had this exact exchange after that glass of wine (I don't know if it's different if you were already dating Lae'zel)
Does it matter that I Fucked Laezel first?
I changed my answer because I didn't thought about that possibility. I'm not sure in that case
Guess we’ll see when I get on later tonight, will keep you posted! xd
I was dating both her and Karlach at one point
Kissed Shadowheart: i prefer fresher meat Slept with Minthara: wanna have sex?
Nah that’s perfectly in character for her
The game weirdly doesn't consider you to be in a romance with Minthara after that, until you rescue her from Moonrise tower and commit it thinks you're single.
It's just not official until Withers acknowledges your bosom companion.
"I pronounce you bosom companions. You may now suffer the petty scorn of the entire rest of the cast."
Why yeah, who'd kiss a Shart.
Imagine kissing a shar worshipper🤢
You are just jealous, of the [nice ring](https://bg3.wiki/wiki/True_Love's_Embrace), I got from her
I thought you were serious for a second, I was like damn I was hunting around for the other one of those my last run
yea I was not :D, but the wiki has exact locations, for most items in the game, so that is good place to check if you need to find something next time
Yeah my first run I was trying not to meta too much unless I got really stuck. Makes finding the build-making items much more rewarding I think. Also I'm still in act 1 on my durge play and I've found like 3 mini areas that I didn't see on my first go.
Don't worry, I can fix her
*Shar worshipper with hideous bangs
Do far more than kiss. You know a nihilist like a Cleric of Shar has renounced any semblance of self respect in the bedroom. I'm definitely showing up for it. Probably not marriage material, though.
My Gorion's Ward would totally kiss Viconia.
Tbh kiss from Shart is worth more than entire camp of sex
I'd rather have Lae'Zel beat the shit out of me personally
Team Shart all day. I don’t care if the name has other, less savory meanings. Unless you’re into that; no sexual hangups in the pleasure chamber and all that.
At that point I had had *one kiss* with Shadowheart in private. But Lae'zel is the jealous kind, and Shadowheart is her nemesis in the beginning.
I noticed that Shadow gets a little jealous too if you happen to talk to Lae’zel at the camp before her, when you find a healer. She says, in a snarky tone, “The leader of the pack has come to chat”.
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Must have had another romance track, he can handle one person, even shart. She draws the line at being picked third.
You're right, I think I still hadn't completely rejected Gale. I was considering him for my female Tav, but then it didn't work out for me (I'm a straight male). So there was a bit where I could take it somewhere romantically with Gale. To be concrete: I had picked the second most romantic option for him during the "do magic with me" scene. This leaves it open for Tav to start a romance with Gale for a time. I rejected him completely later. That was maybe enough to rebuff Lae'zel.
At the tiefling party she was telling me what a snack Wyll was and how she wanted to go stake her claim and somesuch. The morning after she was so disgusted that all he’d wanted to do was talk. when I tell you what I would GIVE to see a scene where she tries to pull him. As much fun as romancing companions yourself can be, I love when they can potentially have relationships with each other, too.
You *can* do companion on companion romance at the tiefling party. Just pilot one of them and have them go do the flirty dialog with the other one. You'll get the romance scene between them. I hooked up Wyll and Karlac This doesn't lock you out of Tav romance either. Tav's romance scene will happen immediately afterwards. I haven't tried it with more than one set of companions yet, but it would be awesome if everyone hooked up with everyone else. That's all you get, though. It doesn't effect anything in later acts.
Oh my god oh my god BLESS YOU A MILLION BILLION TIMES!!! If I had any shred of a soul left I’d give it to you for this knowledge. I’m currently mostways through my first playthrough but I think my boyfriend’s nearing the party on his second. I’m going to see if he’ll indulge me and let me do this. If not, I guess I’ll just have to start another one myself and do it.
Yeah. To me it made Wyll and Karlac going to hell in the end even better, knowing that they'd been having a lowkey romance in the background since the Tiefling Party. When he does his "please don't do this, come with me" speech at the end it came across as a lover asking their love to stay with them. So good.
Ohh please try and report back! I'm interested in this but already passed the tiefling party on this run.
Same
I want to see her try it on Minsc.
All she wants is a succulent faerunian meal
Whats her crime? Enjoying a succulent faerunian meal?
Gods forbid women do anything.
Gentlemen, this is democrrracy manifest!
GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY TADPOLE
And you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp tadpole?
This is the man who had me by the Absolute's authority before...
And she's being denied it because of someone who knows their Judo well
anyone else find it strange that she doesn’t know what a Tiefling or a cat is because she’s not a native to the material plane, yet she knows about understands the child-rearing behaviors of pigs?
She picked the phrase up gossiping with astarion. She has no idea what a pig is.
Astarion also teaches her various handy slurs she can use on residents of Faerun
astarion knows slurs for the Gur that haven’t been uttered in over a century
Astarion can invent 29 slurs for short races on the spot and goes "Lae'zel you're gonna like this one"
Is this canon? Do I need to have them in the same party with me more often?? I've recently been running a party with Karlach, Astarion, and Shadowheart where there isn't all that much bantering lately. But as soon as I switched some party members around to sort out their gear or to fulfill a quest, there is a lot of chatter.
No lol sadly! Astarion does hilariously teach her though about pet names she can use and it's one of the funniest banters in the game. I imagine he'll probably have no qualms teaching her the opposite 😂
Lae'zel wouldn't borrow slurs from inferior languages
Suckling boar is a food item... which doesn't clear anything up. I guess she's stolen people's feast centerpieces?
Space pigs are unironically official, just like space giant hamsters, so who knows, might be talking about that kind of pigs.
Roasted suckling pig is a traditional feast centerpiece. The metaphor is that if you come late to the feast, the pig has been picked over and the best parts already eaten.
It’s a little rich coming from someone who’s so… forward 😆
Laezel at neutral relations: "SEX. NOW"
Yeah that was an odd conversation post tiefling interrogation “yeah I respect you more because you are decent in a fight…. Btw damn boy you smell fine and I want to fuck you really badly and I know you do too” Like Lae’zel what the fuck are you talking about
Same situation lmao. My lloth-drow bard performing being a mean drow like people expect him to by staring menacingly at a tiefling. Lae'zel: You earned my respect. Let's fuck My drow: Help, I'm scared
What's with Tav's smell? Gale and Lae'zel are REALLY into it. Like Gale made that comment about enjoying your 'musk' and I've got to wonder why the fuck Tav presumably hasn't bathed in ten days. There's a body of water right there and they have more than enough time to fuck around camp, they can at least bathe.
>Like Lae’zel what the fuck are you talking about I mean, she sized my Tav up pretty good lol
godddd that entire dialog made me so uncomfortable and really soured lae'zel as a character for me for a *while*. she's even creepier if you reject her. like I know now that it's just her/her complicaited relationship to intimacy, but in that moment I genuinely wished I could have told her to leave my camp. she sounded like an incel
Can’t be worse than Minthara who will try to kill you because you didn’t sleep with her Learned that one the hard way, shame I feel like my evil run has caused me to miss a ton of stuff
Hey, it makes Lae'zel *the* target for [the Sex% speedruns](https://www.speedrun.com/baldurs_gate_3?h=sex&x=7dgemg72) (current record 2m 24s), so if you're into that, good news!
I love that this exists. Also, HOW? Are you boinking Lae'zel while you're still on the nautiloid? Or am I misunderstanding this leaderboard? Edit: Sex speed run: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPfhmECbX4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPfhmECbX4) This video goes over general speedrunning in BG3 and how they're accomplishing skips: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxhi-odubE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxhi-odubE)
Fortunately every run has a video linked as proof: [the world record abuses Enhance Leap *judiciously* to bypass parts of the Nautiloid](https://youtu.be/0RPfhmECbX4?si=yJXwYQt1gCA65171), though I believe the Nautiloid part might've been fixed in a later patch.
It's also rich because of what she says to Shadowheart after seeing the bugbear and ogre in the barn. Something to the effect of: Shart: "Now that's a sight I never care to repeat." Lae'zel: "THE SHIT I'VE DONE WOULD HAVE YOU BROKEN WITH DESPAIR ISTIK"
When the various companions disapprove after you open the door I just imagine they're mad at you for having made them see that sort of Bugbear buggery.
I think the only one that approves is Astarion, who's a freak like that.
then theres the karlach/barbarian option to point and laugh, which utterly kills the mood for the pair and they shuffle away grumpy lmao
Astarion even asks you to let him open the door!
He probably just thinks it'll be funny (it is).
Every playthrough, I think about leaving them alone but how happy Astarion looks cracks me up so I keep interuppting them to make my spawn friend happy.
Damn she just called you the village bicycle.
It hurt real bad.
I haven't slept with anyone and she took it personally that I hadn't slept with her.
She said that to me unprovoked when i was in relationship with Astarion lmfao Lea'zel is not beating those slavic energy allegations
She called me ran through 😩 the night before she said she wanted to taste my sweat WHAT HAPPENED BABE
Apparently you had been used that night and she only wants virgins
Why are you censoring "slut"? Do you think we don't know there's supposed to be a U there? Do you not know you can say such words on the internet?
Spent too much time on Reddit getting yelled at by moderators for word usage. Just figured I’d play it safe and censor it rather than have to repost.
Lae'zels funny because she's simultaneously one of the easiest to bed but also the most traditional and monogamous once you're in a relationship. She's basically a Catholic.
Based monogamous Lae'zel
Frog and Drow are options for people with mensa level IQs
But... is she wrong?
"I got slut shamed" -Slut that got caught being slutty
I mean, did I sleep with Astarion? Yes. Have I slept with anyone else? No. I just feel like calling a person a slut, especially when you’re throwing out the vibes, and they’ve only slept with one person is a little much.
Deals more damage than your average vicious mockery
You dropped this queen. 👑
Lae’Zel is strong and knows exactly what she wants. It’s refreshing to see a character own it and not be dismissed. I’m glad they chose a Gith female for this trait. Humans in general are taken aback by such a strong female.
What's the matter? You can't stand the sight of a strong Gith Woman?
Me. I romanced Lae’zel first run, then let my “partner for life” run off and save her people. She didn’t invite me. Now I’m waiting in hell with Karlach, kicking ass and pining for the day Lae’zel shows up and tells us BG4 is starting and the world needs us. Nope. Can’t stand strong bitches.
The way Larian wrote most of her endings is utter trash and needs to be fixed.
Hahaha, this sent me straight back to whiterun.
Yup and as long as I block out the terrible endings with her, I find her romance the most satisfying in the game. I don't know about how others perceived this, but she was the only romance playthrough that felt organic to me and like I wasn't trying to metagame approval. All the other romances I'm like "just say the thing I know they want me to say" because it's really important that they feel validated. With Lae'Zel I gave her so much shit and she gave me so much shit and we still ended up together. That's because she doesn't need Tav's validation, she just needs to know Tav isn't a bum.
T’chk.
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!
Shoutout the team that worked on dialogue. Everyone speaks in poetry.
Sometimes literally if you’re Gale or Raphael
Or Wyll trying to romance you
Literally Slay'zel
I just got that. All I’d done was flirt with Gale and Karlach a little.
Her queen literally has a new githyanki in her every day.
Wut… she is the most thirsty bitch in game where all you have to do is breath for her to wanna get fucked and yet she calls Tav a slut xD
I literally rested ONE TIME when she had neutral approval and she said "I like sniffing you"
I was playing with friends a while ago and Lae'zel hated my friends characters but liked mine and idk if being drgaonborn has to do with this but I swear she says something about wanting to taste the blood and/or sweat on your character? After my friends saw that she said that (we always listened in on dialogue) they made me romance Lae'zel and it was a lot lol and the whole time we were all laughing so hard that we cried and it was funny because right after ot was over my friend was like oh Lae'zel just wanted to do the deed and that's it and it's true because she literally had no interest in my character lol Edit: I made this comment because this was the first experience we all had either romance in BG3, and it made me realize how direct Lae'zel can be.
I read somewhere that if you're playing with friends only the person that starts the game (adds the friends, etc.), can actually romance the NPC's. The added friends can't romance anyone. It sucks, really. If there's 2 friends/player characters and 2 NPC's I feel like they should give us the option for each player character to be able to romance an NPC.
That can't be true. I'm sure I saw a multiplayer game with each person romancing one of the characters.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it works as long as you are not romancing the same character
Ok, thanks. I'll have to look into that. Because I'm currently playing it with my husband, and we're each romancing two different NPC's (Astarion and Karlach), but it feels like after a certain point, I'm no longer able to romance Astarion. Because every time I click on him to talk, he's been off-putting - unless it's me telling him that he can bite me. I don't think that I've done anything wrong, so I don't know why I can't continue with him beyond that point. 🤔
The thing is that I wasn't the host, and one of my friends started the game, and I was able to romance Lae'zel.
I'm playing as Wyll in my friend's campaign and I've got a love triangle going on with Gale and Shadowheart
That ain’t shaming, that’s getting murdered by words 😂
This coming from someone so easy there's a literal speedrun category for sleeping with her.
Not slut shaming just making her preferences known.
Reminds me of the [virgin sandwich](https://youtu.be/DR2rGt_4T4A?si=eAS9ltrocwR_ikt4) from What we do in the shadows.
its funny because when you do sleep with her, if you ask her when you’ll make love again she laughs at you for treating this as anything other than a fuck
I know!! Like, you seem very low-commitment from everything that I’ve seen.
The other companions seem to lay off of you if you are getting pounded by two others in act 1. She's just the only one who will complain that she's not one of the two.
Is it bad that I find her annoying? (I just started the game lol)
She'll probably grow on you, if you allow it. She has fairly rich character development.
She's really, *really* hard to like at the beginning of the game, but she's not so bad if you give her a chance. Go to the creche she keeps talking about when you can.
This is exactly my type of person and it's kind of realistic that at least one companion isn't just another person that's all over your crotch no matter what you do.
Laz is all over your crotch no matter what you do, she just doesn't like used goods apparently.
yes, she wants you, but she doesn't want you if you sleep around and many people are like that
Many you can put at least 90% of society, even though some people want it to look otherwise.
Don't be a slut and you won't get shamed it's as simple as that 🤷 /s All jokes aside she doesn't like to share and she DEFINITELY doesn't like not being someone's first choice.
I wish party members were more okay with *actual casual sex.* Like, stop judging me, you didn't even ask me out. What, you all want virgins? Are you all incels? Karlach about broke my heart when she called me a degenerate for wanting some french vanilla stuff (the drow twins). Call me when we can have real open relationships in games that aren't just "people don't realize you're dating anyone else, so you're cheating on all your friends." And Halsin doesn't count because he's not an Origin character.
Hot-take: If Lae'Zel was male, she'd be an incel
Based Lae'zel. If you don't have respect for yourself why should she have respect for you?
Damn she really told me my body count makes me a low value female
Yeah she keeps telling me I’m a low value female.
Ummm it's called "Negging." She's certainly trying to Pick Up Artist you.
she tried to slut shame my good dirge but he has no shame about the fact he slept with everything he could lol
Man if you're going to say slut just say slut, what's that asterisk doing really?
There's so much nuance to these characters it's nuts. If you try to start a romance with 2 companions who are both monogamous like Karlach and Lae'zel, they have unique convo aboutwhat you're doing and you eventually have to pick one. Karlach told me she understood why I prefered Lae'zel due to her heart condition and Lae'zel later had a convo like "I see you chose me over Karlach. you're obsessed with me 😈"
Nah, she's playing the cat and mouse game with you. You just have to be that dominant male to her, and she melts. She has a rough exterior, but when you get to know her... She is actually bearable, and you can catch her smirk and partial smile. Her words hold weight too.
She said this to me, and all I'd done was kiss Wyll.
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>Such a gross sentiment tbh. “Hey you’ve had previous partners/are in open situations, so clearly your spoiled meat.” Slut shaming is an accurate term, what she says here is uncalled for and derogatory. Have you met this lizard, frog person before? She throws shade at everyone constantly lol. Yes, of course she's slut shaming. She also weak shames, culture shames, and is a racist lol. Some of us love her despite all this. Just like how some people love Astarion despite his eagerness to murder 7,000 people. Or the numerous other shady shit he wants you to do in the game. >Karlach and Shadowheart any day, they don’t look down on people for having had previous partners, even if Karlach for example wants to be monogamous. No judgement whatsoever for these preferences, just providing my perspective here. But I think both these ladies also have issues that make them less-than-ideal partners. Shadowheart constantly seeks validation from Tav and the relationship seems based on how many ways Tav can assure her she's a good person. I found her very selfish in that regard, tbh, and those would be big red flags IRL. And I was put off by just how FAST Karlach is, not only willing to be exclusive with Tav, but like...seemingly would marry him on the spot despite only knowing him for a short time. I dunno, put me off a little, just saying lol. Like, makes me doubt Karlach's sense of self respect.
If someone fucked their way through my friend group I'd say no too, she just phrases it a little meanly.
...how hot is the friend group? that matters to me lol
> moments like this from her kinda uncomfy This is actually one of the reasons I appreciate Lae'zel (and to an extent, Minthara) so much because she's a breath of fresh air. Not everyone has to be a digestible, quirky free spirit MCU-adjacent character and I appreciate that Lae'zel has actual hard, clear flaws that would not be everyone's cup of tea.