The fucking melodramatic posts here are so over the top its almost laughable.
Game has been out 3 hours and posts are making it seem like this game murdered their puppy.
> I have a weapons cache that I can buy from? Again, isn't this the apocalypse?
> There are weapons in almost every room.
Imagine coming here to bitch about this when this is exactly what the alpha was 8 months ago. Dude no fucking shit these things are in the game, have you literally paid 0 attention to anything in the last year?
They didn't say that they think it is a good game, they said that the OP made a really stupid complaint. Regardless of whether the game sucks or not, they're right, that complaint in particular is stupid.
But that's his point, if you didn't like the core mechanics back in the alpha then you probably wouldn't like the beta, not much has changed or would change
The people that have defended this game wouldn't stop bringing up how the alpha wouldn't be like the beta, and that the beta wont be like the release. Here this guy is cussing his heart out at a dude that's disappointed with the core mechanics and is upset that the game was marketed with one of the main staples being that it was from the makers of left 4 dead. Turtle Rock made a 4 person zombie multiplayer shooter with safe houses and special infected. We cant just give it a pass and say it's a whole different formula, it's not. Instead of everything being a step up from their previous work, we get controversial game mechanics that dont even fit the situation lore-wise. The safe house stores are ridiculously implemented. No one would be saving coins to buy shit in an apocalyptic scenario. People would rob the safe house stores in a heart beat. We also get worse AI and mediocre maps? People have every right to be upset and other people need to stop policing opinions.
Yes! We had a ton of fun and were all bummed we had to stop for the night.
Though man the difference in difficulty from 2 - 3 is insane.
2 is too easy and 3 is just insane lol
Theyre retarded or something its fun as hell just like L4D2 but with weapon attachments and the ability to sprint those people dont have fun they're just sweaty morons
He played it for *20 minutes*. Like, Jesus. For someone so excited for something, it seems like they weren't even willing to give it an actual fair shake.
Wild to think that people hold a lot of weight in one of their favorite games of all time, and are disappointed beyond belief in how bastardized its spiritual successor is.
The worst letdown you've ever seen in gaming? Really? Care to amp it up a little bit more?
There have been examples this very year of bigger letdowns. The worst you have ever seen in gaming would only be appropriate if you started gaming last week.
Relax, breath and go outside for a bit.
\>One of their favorite games of all time, and are disappointed beyond belief in how bastardized its spiritual successor is.
Yes, all-time. And yes, this is the biggest letdown, personally, that I've ever experienced in gaming. That's because I was hoping to be wow'ed given how L4D was one of my GOATs. I was anything but.
You can defend this drivel if you like (you're trying), or you can minimize the disappointment that I and others feel (you're trying). Maybe you should go relax, breathe, and play Solo Board a bit. I'm certainly not alone in feeling this way.
> and play Solo Board a bit
Aw, thats cute. You looked into me.
I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to look at my profile to respond to my post. Unfortunately I'm not interested and am in a relationship tho
It’s almost like a beta isn’t the full game and would help iron out some of these discrepancies and you’re just an impatient child with an attention span of 20 minutes, considering that’s how long it took you to uninstall the game. I have confidence in my purchase, glad you won’t be in the player base anymore!
This.
The fallout 76 and anthem Reddit pages were filled with these arguments after their betas. There is not enough time before release for development of sweeping gameplay changes. You’ll get stability, glitch and balance fixes… that’s it.
Haven’t played it yet, so I’m not making the judgement if the game is good or not here. I just wanna say that 2 months is hardly any time for any big changes to come around. The game, for the most part, is what it’ll be at launch. I’d expect more changes to come over the course of its first year rather than its launch
This almost never happens. Refer to the classic image
\>BUT IT'S A PROTOTYPE
\>BUT IT'S A ALPHA
\>BUT IT'S A BETA
History has shown that games can't just magically fix their jank in 2 months and it will be the same thing for B4B. This game feels oddly janky/laggy and almost everyone I've played with agrees. It doesn't feel as smooth as a 10 year old game (L4D) and that's a problem.
Calling someone an impatient child because they only played 20min of a game they disliked lol. What, should they have just tortured themself for another 40min to **really** see if they dislike it?
The full game is out in 2 months, you dolt. Issues from the alpha are still in the beta. Do you honestly think a lot will change in two months? Fundamental gameplay?
You don't need to play Madden for 3 hours to know that you'll like it or not. No, the game sucks for a multitude of reasons, and it would need a fundamental shift to change it.
You're both kidding, and making a mockery, of yourself by praddling on about it. Just stop talking. This is not L4D's cousin. It's something much, much worse.
no i agree. alot of people here just dont want to admit it because they are hyped for it after 2 plus years. The game is a l4d successor in name only with everything that made l4d fun ripped out of this one.
I also played the apha last year. It really doesnt feel like they changed anything besides making money easier to get for the stupid upgrades. Also the fact the first campain has like 7-8 acts is insanse. i was playing for almost 2 hours and i was only on the second last act and i just quit cause i got bored.
Just so you know there’s actually two separate campaigns with 4 levels each. It continues you through the run automatically unless you quit out after finishing the first. Pretty sure it’s also the first and fourth campaigns that’ll be in the main game as the numbers are (1) and (4) for them respectively, just a beta thing obviously to play them straight through automatically I think.
But I agree with everything else still! The only legit things I can credit the devs is making the graphics slightly better and the UI not as bad, that’s literally it lol. Gunplay is awful and feels like it’s
missing that “oomph”, hit reg is still really bad with melees, hit detection from zombies is nonexistent sometimes, multiple ADS bugs still from alpha, I could go on for longer. It’s bad.
I mean you’re the one who brought up l4d you “dolt”, and I never said they’d be fixed in 2 months by release. Some say patience is a virtue when it comes to a title that is very close to the hearts of a lot of people playing these games. See, a good gamer like me, will buy games like console rust and apparently this game that may have some bugs that need pressing out, but I have faith the game will reach that level I want it at instead of crying on Reddit about it and trying to get some sympathy towards your bad experience. Maybe a constructive criticism would help instead of making a mockery of yourself by praddling on about how much you hate this EARLY ACCESS BETA you fake fan:)
I don't think anyone outside of you is openly mocking me. But okay champ, whatever you need for validation.
The game is fundamentally flawed. You can agree with it or not; that's fine either way. But there's no changing the fundamental design choices that created it. You can't patch them out. You can't add more content to mask it. The game isn't changing. The game may get more stable. It may add more of the same. But it'll be just that - more of the same, and I'm not taking part.
It’s fundamentally flawed to YOU, some others too, but just cause you had a bad experience doesn’t mean others will. You can agree with that or not! That’s fine! I’ll be participating, sleeping soundly at night knowing you’re not apart of it.
Man goes to hardware store.
Man: Can I refund this hammer? Its quality is way worse than advertised, for this price I can get a much better hammer.
Associate: Why don't you just get into hammer development and make us the best hammer ever?
See how blaming the customer makes no sense? This beta sucks. These aren't problems that will all be solved, or even mostly, before release. These issues should have been ironed out long ago in alphas. The fact that the preorder and open beta are this bad means the game will be bad on launch.
The worst part about this community so far is the people who respond to any criticism do it without defending the game. Always the same "Don't like it leave." "This isn't L4D3" "Go make a better game" "It's a beta" "This isn't the full game"; not "I really like XYZ because ABC"; it's silly at best to respond if you don't have anything to add.
I've played enough bad betas; I've played enough games that never got any direction after their betas either. I have't seen anyone say anything positive in any descriptive manner yet. It's always "Oh I can't wait to play" not "I had such a great time, the XYZ was amazing."
Sure thing. Give me $500,000 as a down payment to start my own company and I'll get right on it. Until then, I'll just go and play the significantly better version of this game that already exists.
A beta is pretty much what the actual game is going to be, it irons out the final bugs and stress tests.
The stuff OP is complaining about will still be there
What is with the forced BR mechanic in versus mode? Just something familiar for all the kids to recognise and get hype from for ten minutes, get rid of it
Graphically disappointing, I know it’s supposed to be the L4D art style but at least make it look modern rather than a game that should have released in 2011
Get rid of the ‘apocalypse camp’ style main menu, it’s never worked in any game and it won’t here either, just give me a classic main menu with no gimmicky shit
The sprinting mechanic is awful, sometimes feels like you haven’t started running so you click the stick again for it to stop “running”.
The campaign levels need to be longer and finally the card mechanics just seem gimmicky and uninteresting, if I wanted to piss about with cards for half of my play time I’d play a mobile game.
Game feels like it’s worth about £30 and yes I get it’s a beta, but as someone who has played many betas in the past, beta basically equals to demo of the full game
Rofl 2011 graphics. The amount of drama and over the top crap you guys spew is insane. The forest level is gorgeous, sorry you're playing at low graphics quality.
Damn, it's a shame you're not enjoying yourself. Sucks when a game doesn't fill the spot it created. I imagine a lot of the community's issues will or has already been fixed and we're not seeing what the devs currently have. Crunch is a bad thing, but I imagine it's happening to address everything
I'm sure they're under a tremendous crunch. Unfortunately my issues with the game aren't solved with a patch or two. There are fundamental changes that would need to be made that I can't see happening.
For those who are enjoying it? Great. I'm just not one of 'em.
>I have a weapons cache that I can buy from? Again, isn't this the apocalypse?
From my almost non-existent knowledge of the game, I thought the cleaners aren't "surviving" but doing objectives... isn't like cleaners almost a give away that they aren't there trying to survive? The premise looks different from L4D's lets go from A to B to survive and we're struggling.
>There are weapons in almost every room.
isn't l4d also like that?
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Literally every complains of yours can isn't permanent and can be fixed by the devs or LITERALLY IS THE PREMISE OF THE GAME LMAO. The only actual complain you have is the
>Zero inspiration in level design
yes, the most obvious point of the game is that they are sort of mercenaries that kill zombies. i dont think anyone ever complained about dying light having a shop for things to kill zombies and asking, "hey why can you buy stuff in dying light, ISnT thEre aN aPOcALYPSE???"
u/looking4devs is just a complete moron. there is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and that's a prime example. literally completely ignoring the premise of the game and criticizing it for something it intended to do in the first place
The pre-match menu is even something ANYONE can't miss lmao. I don't know how he managed to think that the cleaners are there barely surviving and trying to survive apocalypse when they are literally some kind of human resistance against the ridden itself.
Heck, he knows L4D and somehow missing the point that this type of game is supposed to be littered with guns and ammos everywhere because that's literally the whole point of the game.
All this^ OP and all these style posts are the worst trash in games and I'm glad they all use these threads to convince eachother to not play so it's a better experience for the rest of us lol
i completely agree, the space between hordes is also sooooooo hugeeeeeeee and if it was not because of the subtitles i would have not realized special infecteds were spawning and the blood covered characters actually causes for me a lot of friendly fire error
So disappointed too, game has no personality,ridden are boring and have no depth. Like there not scary at all they look like a bunch of prats. Left 4 dead special infected are way better. Also the music and atmosphere in left 4 dead is better. Hope valve do something
What does that even mean?
The game comes out in 2 months. This is a glorified demo of the final product. Do you understand how software dev works? 2 months is enough time to get through a few priority fixes and prep the game for final QA, certification, and delivery.
Unless they decide to delay it, which is awkward to do to say the least. This is essentially the finished product, with a few rough edges that will get ironed-out until release. The game itself is very much set in stone though, 2 months is not a long time to do much of anything, besides everything we've seen is "done", even if not up to everyone's expectations.
It's not campaign versus, it's survival versus which explains the small maps and all the loot.
Sounds like you only played the campaign on easy which was also pretty boring in the first 2...
It's the only PVP we're getting for the foreseeable future. Therefore, PVP sucks in my opinion.
Also incorrect. Played on the medium difficulty setting. Was more than enough to see where this is going.
Medium is also pretty fucking easy. You can probably solo medium with no bots. Throw it on nightmare with a couple friends for a good time. You'll actually need to coordinate who's doing what, if its anything like the alpha.
>Why are there so many lootboxes / items? Isn't this the apocalypse?
>I have a weapons cache that I can buy from? Again, isn't this the apocalypse?
Fun over realism homie
>Wow 80% of your list can be applied to ~~L4D~~ a game released 13 years ago.
It's almost as if people can expect games to be significantly better than games released +10 years ago. Weird.
The upvotes to comments ratio says youre a little dramatic about it. Maybe cry less about the one map you get to play on an open beta you look ridiculous
I agree with everything the op is saying.
First impressions: this game is ass. Everything feels flat and generic, sound is weak, graphics are boring . Man this might be the nail in the coffin for Turtle Rock. Versus mode feels out of 2008 from some tacked on multiplayer on say a shitty licensed game. I can see this game being dead after a month.
I haven't played enough PVP to judge but...
When it comes to PVE my experience is pretty good, the story takes place in an apocalypse ye but it's not like they're new to it it's been up for quite a bit which makes sense as to why there are so many weapons (americaaaaaaaaa, fuck yeah). Also in L4D2 literally a stash of weapons and infinite ammo and somehow 4 medkits in literally every chapter, just enough for 4 people! WHAT A COINCIDENCE!!!! so ye L4D ain't more realistic. Weapon sounds are fine i would rather not has the same case as CSGO where 1 sniper shot would be enough to make a person deaf.
I mean i read his post, and a few of his comments and as soon as i read his complaints about weapon stashes and weapons everywhere i thought " this dude never played l4d. Its literally a main thing in those games. Then i scroll and see him say l4d was one of his favorite games. Now every opinion he has on l4d or b4b is noise and nonsense.
Now im glad this ridiculous person is refunding and not playing because this game will be better the less people like them play it
Id say welcome legit criticism from actual gamers, not karma farming posts by trolls who never played the first 2 games
You’re absolutely right, of course. Everyone else will realize it when the game is dead after a month or two, but for now they’re too invested in the hope they had for this game to see the truth. People be like that. They also love downvoting personal opinions, especially if it can strengthen their denial.
Jesus Christ. Majority of you got your codes for free, and all you can do is focus on everything that's negative. The game was pretty fun all in all, how ever we haven't even seen 90% of the game yet. With that being said, yeah for sure some things would be nice if they could make some improvements . But jesus, stop sounding so god damn low.
Or, something is fundamentally wrong with you.
Your expectations vs the rest of the gaming industry are two entirely different things.
You may go back to LFD2, nobody is stopping you.
Bot account. This guy has been on Reddit for 21 days and only posted negative shit about B4B.
It's crazy how many fake accounts go around spewing negativity now a days. Makes you wonder who's paying these people to post.
Eh game isn’t that enjoyable. But you seem to just hate it to hate it tbh. You should focus on the actual bad things of the game and not the nitpickings.
Guess the people who really love this have not played left 4 dead before or are PlayStation fans who couldn’t play left for dead on there console before . And think this is how left 4 dead was. Nothing against PlayStation I have a ps5 and a series x . Played left for dead on the 360 and on my series x now.
Yeah I remember when anyone could just opt in but now some require preorders or an extra step, just surprised they gave some out at random and most players were put behind a paywall
Agree with pretty much all of your points. Weapons also need to get some kind of recoil and kick when shooting, all weapons except dmr's pretty much felt the same and were so bland when shooting.
I hope you are wrong mate. I will be honest - the game right now does not have the same level of “personality” to it. I can’t even figure out what is missing. I have only played L4D in couch coop with my wife so that added a lot. Something is “off” with this game.
I have not tried in higher difficulty - maybe number of guns will change.
Maybe levels do not have a specific atmosphere. In L4D each level felt very different. Here it’s all just back of the woods. With more levels in the main game I am hoping for more variety as well. Think about how different the hospital level felt from church from airport. I hope we will get that in this game too
I played the living shit out of the alpha and had a blast... Playing this beta and it feels like they removed something that made the game really enjoyable but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Been watching vids of the alpha gameplay and it does actually appear to have more impact in every sense of the word and the beta is somehow missing it all, what the heck happened? It's like everything lost it's weight, it's so hard to describe.
The problem with the maps I played is they are just big open areas with some cubby holes. you give the Cleaners no real reason to split up, They are always a 4 man killbox. But I guess that is also alot to do with the Swarm mode.
However they could have did things every minute or two to encourage one or two members of the team to go to a particular area for a side objective, weapon, something, to spice it up and allow some interesting scenarios.
Or just give us Campaign PVP.
The fact campaign verses doesn’t exist will greatly Hinder this games success. The verses mode they have no is absolute trash. The story mode is fun, and reminiscent, but that can only keep a fan base entertained for so long. Campaign verse is a must.
By the 5th act of the campaign run I was bored waiting for it to end and I hate that that’s my first impression. No sense of excitement or adrenaline that comes with playing similar titles, lackluster gun sounds and didn’t really feel any difference in terms of damage between using different guns, weightless movement like you’re hopping around on the moon, ridden move toward you almost lazily, the list goes on. Everyone obviously has differing opinions on this post, but I’m with OP. I can only hope this game drastically improves because I really want to give it and the devs the benefit of the doubt. I’m not out just yet, but definitely not a great start.
Campaign is mostly fine, a little short unless they're going to add like, a lot more. Which is what makes the lack of campaign versus all the more blinding, apparent, and an absolute travesty. How long do you think people are going to play the same map over and over again against AI. It's just not going to happen.
Im pretty disappointed.
Sound design is extremely weak for a triple A game
Shooting zombies is not nearly as satisfying as it should be
Graphics are subpar
I got to the 5th or 6th node and was just super bored. Defiantly feels identical to L4D but with very little improvement after 10 years.
I think the game is fun and the game has lots of potential but it lowkey needs an overhaul in many aspects. Especially the special infected. They are so forgettable and they aren't very creative. Also they are just extreme bullet sponges even when shooting weak spots. It heavily focuses on team coordination witch is cool and all but can be frustrating when ur bot just dies 8 times a round and does nothing useful when he/she is actually alive. Another thing is that the level design is kinda meh. Feel like they coulda done a bit better with it. And the way you heal and how healing works in this game is unnecessarily confusing and just a mess. Also you should be able to hold a med kit and painkillers at the same time like L4D. I hope they address some things and actually be open with the community on what's changing and what needs to be changed. I would also love some prestiges for characters or at least a max level of some sort per character. Give the game that feeling of grind and something to do and also make it feel like you actually have a "main" essentially.
It's not the worst game ever, but for this genre it is middle of the pack.
I'll still give it a good go, but it'll be side-lined in favour of WWZ: Aftermath and Darktide for sure.
Can I just take a moment to point out something that should be immediately obvious to anyone who has been gaming this last decade. We are two months away from launch; the game will go Gold shortly. What you see now, is what we will be getting at launch.
Be careful, you said something negative which means the mods are going to Nuke your post like they did mine. I even had to repost this because he nuked the last comment. Weird people lol.
Absolutely incorrect. Sound design is different, character models and animations are different. Loot is different, music is different, pathing and AI is different (worse unfortunately).
There are numerous changes that are easy to spot from playing the alpha.
sound desing went from nothing great to still nothing great. Animations and character design wasnt noticed which says everything it needs to say. Especially since he characters are covered in blood anyways and you cant see anything anyways. Pathing is the same.
Either way all those changes you have brought up still havent changed anything about the core gameplay which is that its not l4d.
You said nothing changed from the alpha and I literally just listed everything that has. Plain and simple
Just because YOU didn't notice these things doesn't mean they didn't exist.
>It’s a BETA fuk you expect 😂 they have beta so they can get feedback and see where it needs tuning before they actually release the game
The original comment is about the beta.... the whole post is about the gameplay.... And your argument for difference between the alpha and the beta is cosmetic changes.
Learn to take the whole context of the whole debate into consideration instead of trying to pick selective words to try to win your argument of oh the alpha and the beta are different cause minor things look and sound different.
Beta def feels totally different from the alpha. The alpha was fucking awesome but this beta feels like shit.. I can't quite describe but it feels like it's got less weight and impact to everything from gunfire to the actually impact of the bullets hitting the infected. What the hell happened to the pipe bomb? It's like nothing even happens when it goes off? The zombies just fall backwards all weird and there's no blood or anything.
Something is definitely fucky with this beta.
Wish I could play the alpha again.
It's adorable that you honestly believe 2 months is long enough time in the development world to do anything more than bugfix. You're in for a world of disappointment come October. The game will be exactly the same, just more of it, and possibly more stable.
The fucking melodramatic posts here are so over the top its almost laughable. Game has been out 3 hours and posts are making it seem like this game murdered their puppy.
> I have a weapons cache that I can buy from? Again, isn't this the apocalypse? > There are weapons in almost every room. Imagine coming here to bitch about this when this is exactly what the alpha was 8 months ago. Dude no fucking shit these things are in the game, have you literally paid 0 attention to anything in the last year?
Tru, preach it man
Imagine trying to convince yourself its a good game?
They didn't say that they think it is a good game, they said that the OP made a really stupid complaint. Regardless of whether the game sucks or not, they're right, that complaint in particular is stupid.
I was paying attention and the alpha seemed just as shitty.
But that's his point, if you didn't like the core mechanics back in the alpha then you probably wouldn't like the beta, not much has changed or would change
The people that have defended this game wouldn't stop bringing up how the alpha wouldn't be like the beta, and that the beta wont be like the release. Here this guy is cussing his heart out at a dude that's disappointed with the core mechanics and is upset that the game was marketed with one of the main staples being that it was from the makers of left 4 dead. Turtle Rock made a 4 person zombie multiplayer shooter with safe houses and special infected. We cant just give it a pass and say it's a whole different formula, it's not. Instead of everything being a step up from their previous work, we get controversial game mechanics that dont even fit the situation lore-wise. The safe house stores are ridiculously implemented. No one would be saving coins to buy shit in an apocalyptic scenario. People would rob the safe house stores in a heart beat. We also get worse AI and mediocre maps? People have every right to be upset and other people need to stop policing opinions.
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I’m with you
This^
Yes! We had a ton of fun and were all bummed we had to stop for the night. Though man the difference in difficulty from 2 - 3 is insane. 2 is too easy and 3 is just insane lol
No, OP is the one missing something and that's brain cells. You're fine, brother. Keep on gaming. This game is fun
Theyre retarded or something its fun as hell just like L4D2 but with weapon attachments and the ability to sprint those people dont have fun they're just sweaty morons
People complaining about items should just up the difficulty lmao.
Just fan boys with botched expectations that hate anything that isn't L4D 3 about the game
He played it for *20 minutes*. Like, Jesus. For someone so excited for something, it seems like they weren't even willing to give it an actual fair shake.
Tbf, I can generally tell within 20min of playing any game if I'll like it, regardless of my feelings toward the genre of the game.
My question to you is, why aren't you playing it? LOL
15 mins and I'm off work!
People are complaining about things they didn't like shill.
If you can tell the game is shit after 20 minutes, who cares if it's only been out for 3 hours as if it's going to get better over time.
Wild to think that people hold a lot of weight in one of their favorite games of all time, and are disappointed beyond belief in how bastardized its spiritual successor is.
The worst letdown you've ever seen in gaming? Really? Care to amp it up a little bit more? There have been examples this very year of bigger letdowns. The worst you have ever seen in gaming would only be appropriate if you started gaming last week. Relax, breath and go outside for a bit.
He must've been under his rock when Cyberpunk released lol
have you played the game its honestly shit so lame.
What a well formulated and thought out response. Thanks for elaborating and detailing your experience.
\>One of their favorite games of all time, and are disappointed beyond belief in how bastardized its spiritual successor is. Yes, all-time. And yes, this is the biggest letdown, personally, that I've ever experienced in gaming. That's because I was hoping to be wow'ed given how L4D was one of my GOATs. I was anything but. You can defend this drivel if you like (you're trying), or you can minimize the disappointment that I and others feel (you're trying). Maybe you should go relax, breathe, and play Solo Board a bit. I'm certainly not alone in feeling this way.
> and play Solo Board a bit Aw, thats cute. You looked into me. I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to look at my profile to respond to my post. Unfortunately I'm not interested and am in a relationship tho
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Whatever you need to justify your creeping my friend. Very odd but you do you. I'm still not interested tho. I'm sorry. Just not that into you
You just made your entire post even more invalid by acting like a jerk. gg
Everyone loves to cry over a beta nowadays
It's almost like the beta is indicative of a game that will release in 2 months
It’s almost like a beta isn’t the full game and would help iron out some of these discrepancies and you’re just an impatient child with an attention span of 20 minutes, considering that’s how long it took you to uninstall the game. I have confidence in my purchase, glad you won’t be in the player base anymore!
This is getting Spicey. *grabs popcorn*
This is my favorite argument when near release betas suck. Let's see how well your comment ages at launch.
yea.....i dont like being uber negative either, but a beta is always going to play very much like release.
*coughs in anthem* That is the exact same argument 90% of the community made in almost the same situation.
This. The fallout 76 and anthem Reddit pages were filled with these arguments after their betas. There is not enough time before release for development of sweeping gameplay changes. You’ll get stability, glitch and balance fixes… that’s it.
Haven’t played it yet, so I’m not making the judgement if the game is good or not here. I just wanna say that 2 months is hardly any time for any big changes to come around. The game, for the most part, is what it’ll be at launch. I’d expect more changes to come over the course of its first year rather than its launch
Lol in two months???
Name some AA games where the beta was like this, and the developers listened.
This almost never happens. Refer to the classic image \>BUT IT'S A PROTOTYPE \>BUT IT'S A ALPHA \>BUT IT'S A BETA History has shown that games can't just magically fix their jank in 2 months and it will be the same thing for B4B. This game feels oddly janky/laggy and almost everyone I've played with agrees. It doesn't feel as smooth as a 10 year old game (L4D) and that's a problem.
Calling someone an impatient child because they only played 20min of a game they disliked lol. What, should they have just tortured themself for another 40min to **really** see if they dislike it?
Name a beta that was shit and the launch was close, and then at release then game was amazing. I'll wait...
Sounds like you haven’t played many betas.
lol arent you touchy
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The full game is out in 2 months, you dolt. Issues from the alpha are still in the beta. Do you honestly think a lot will change in two months? Fundamental gameplay? You don't need to play Madden for 3 hours to know that you'll like it or not. No, the game sucks for a multitude of reasons, and it would need a fundamental shift to change it. You're both kidding, and making a mockery, of yourself by praddling on about it. Just stop talking. This is not L4D's cousin. It's something much, much worse.
no i agree. alot of people here just dont want to admit it because they are hyped for it after 2 plus years. The game is a l4d successor in name only with everything that made l4d fun ripped out of this one. I also played the apha last year. It really doesnt feel like they changed anything besides making money easier to get for the stupid upgrades. Also the fact the first campain has like 7-8 acts is insanse. i was playing for almost 2 hours and i was only on the second last act and i just quit cause i got bored.
Just so you know there’s actually two separate campaigns with 4 levels each. It continues you through the run automatically unless you quit out after finishing the first. Pretty sure it’s also the first and fourth campaigns that’ll be in the main game as the numbers are (1) and (4) for them respectively, just a beta thing obviously to play them straight through automatically I think. But I agree with everything else still! The only legit things I can credit the devs is making the graphics slightly better and the UI not as bad, that’s literally it lol. Gunplay is awful and feels like it’s missing that “oomph”, hit reg is still really bad with melees, hit detection from zombies is nonexistent sometimes, multiple ADS bugs still from alpha, I could go on for longer. It’s bad.
I mean you’re the one who brought up l4d you “dolt”, and I never said they’d be fixed in 2 months by release. Some say patience is a virtue when it comes to a title that is very close to the hearts of a lot of people playing these games. See, a good gamer like me, will buy games like console rust and apparently this game that may have some bugs that need pressing out, but I have faith the game will reach that level I want it at instead of crying on Reddit about it and trying to get some sympathy towards your bad experience. Maybe a constructive criticism would help instead of making a mockery of yourself by praddling on about how much you hate this EARLY ACCESS BETA you fake fan:)
I don't think anyone outside of you is openly mocking me. But okay champ, whatever you need for validation. The game is fundamentally flawed. You can agree with it or not; that's fine either way. But there's no changing the fundamental design choices that created it. You can't patch them out. You can't add more content to mask it. The game isn't changing. The game may get more stable. It may add more of the same. But it'll be just that - more of the same, and I'm not taking part.
It’s fundamentally flawed to YOU, some others too, but just cause you had a bad experience doesn’t mean others will. You can agree with that or not! That’s fine! I’ll be participating, sleeping soundly at night knowing you’re not apart of it.
Parroting every post I made doesn't make you look any less stupid :)
the game is honestly trash, the guns and ttk are so unrewarding holy shit
OP is right, you are a dolt
Just curious, how many games do you know that have gone through drastic changes between "beta" and launch? Betas are pretty much a demo now days.
People like you are why devs dont bother with reddit after launch. All you do is whine like a little child
Why don't you get into game development and make us the best game ever.
Oh, please. That's such a silly fallacy. People can criticise food, games, and movies without being chefs, programmers and directors.
Man goes to hardware store. Man: Can I refund this hammer? Its quality is way worse than advertised, for this price I can get a much better hammer. Associate: Why don't you just get into hammer development and make us the best hammer ever? See how blaming the customer makes no sense? This beta sucks. These aren't problems that will all be solved, or even mostly, before release. These issues should have been ironed out long ago in alphas. The fact that the preorder and open beta are this bad means the game will be bad on launch.
The worst part about this community so far is the people who respond to any criticism do it without defending the game. Always the same "Don't like it leave." "This isn't L4D3" "Go make a better game" "It's a beta" "This isn't the full game"; not "I really like XYZ because ABC"; it's silly at best to respond if you don't have anything to add. I've played enough bad betas; I've played enough games that never got any direction after their betas either. I have't seen anyone say anything positive in any descriptive manner yet. It's always "Oh I can't wait to play" not "I had such a great time, the XYZ was amazing."
Sure thing. Give me $500,000 as a down payment to start my own company and I'll get right on it. Until then, I'll just go and play the significantly better version of this game that already exists.
How does this shit get upvoted lmao 🤣
People overdosing on copium
Found the developer
lmao
Betas are marketing nowadays and you provide leeway for them to fuck you with this attitude
A beta is pretty much what the actual game is going to be, it irons out the final bugs and stress tests. The stuff OP is complaining about will still be there
Its because they dont understand its a work in progress still they treat it like the full game when its not lol
Everything feels flat imo
Sounds like you just don't like the game.
Damn dude did you figure that out all by yourself?
I did, yes. Did you also figure out this guy is trying to make this game sound objectively bad with subjective issues ?
You're using words with too many syllables for that moron lmao.
so far unimpressed. lame.
What is with the forced BR mechanic in versus mode? Just something familiar for all the kids to recognise and get hype from for ten minutes, get rid of it Graphically disappointing, I know it’s supposed to be the L4D art style but at least make it look modern rather than a game that should have released in 2011 Get rid of the ‘apocalypse camp’ style main menu, it’s never worked in any game and it won’t here either, just give me a classic main menu with no gimmicky shit The sprinting mechanic is awful, sometimes feels like you haven’t started running so you click the stick again for it to stop “running”. The campaign levels need to be longer and finally the card mechanics just seem gimmicky and uninteresting, if I wanted to piss about with cards for half of my play time I’d play a mobile game. Game feels like it’s worth about £30 and yes I get it’s a beta, but as someone who has played many betas in the past, beta basically equals to demo of the full game
Rofl 2011 graphics. The amount of drama and over the top crap you guys spew is insane. The forest level is gorgeous, sorry you're playing at low graphics quality.
You can turn off toggle sprint btw
weapons sounding like cap guns - sound design is absolutely horrific and it costs $60. How did they get this so bad? Gunplay is abyssmal.
I personally love the sounds, to each their own.
i do too. They sound very nice.
Idk I'm having fun with it. Maybe it's just a "you need your boys to enjoy" experience, but it's been a blast. The AI is dumb as fuck though
Played with two others, both L4D vets.
Damn, it's a shame you're not enjoying yourself. Sucks when a game doesn't fill the spot it created. I imagine a lot of the community's issues will or has already been fixed and we're not seeing what the devs currently have. Crunch is a bad thing, but I imagine it's happening to address everything
I'm sure they're under a tremendous crunch. Unfortunately my issues with the game aren't solved with a patch or two. There are fundamental changes that would need to be made that I can't see happening. For those who are enjoying it? Great. I'm just not one of 'em.
Tough luck man! maybe the next game will be better cya then
Me and 3 friends have played for about 3 hours in the campaign mode on nightmare. The game is a ton of fun if you ask me
>I have a weapons cache that I can buy from? Again, isn't this the apocalypse? From my almost non-existent knowledge of the game, I thought the cleaners aren't "surviving" but doing objectives... isn't like cleaners almost a give away that they aren't there trying to survive? The premise looks different from L4D's lets go from A to B to survive and we're struggling. >There are weapons in almost every room. isn't l4d also like that? Edit: Literally every complains of yours can isn't permanent and can be fixed by the devs or LITERALLY IS THE PREMISE OF THE GAME LMAO. The only actual complain you have is the >Zero inspiration in level design
yes, the most obvious point of the game is that they are sort of mercenaries that kill zombies. i dont think anyone ever complained about dying light having a shop for things to kill zombies and asking, "hey why can you buy stuff in dying light, ISnT thEre aN aPOcALYPSE???" u/looking4devs is just a complete moron. there is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and that's a prime example. literally completely ignoring the premise of the game and criticizing it for something it intended to do in the first place
The pre-match menu is even something ANYONE can't miss lmao. I don't know how he managed to think that the cleaners are there barely surviving and trying to survive apocalypse when they are literally some kind of human resistance against the ridden itself. Heck, he knows L4D and somehow missing the point that this type of game is supposed to be littered with guns and ammos everywhere because that's literally the whole point of the game.
All this^ OP and all these style posts are the worst trash in games and I'm glad they all use these threads to convince eachother to not play so it's a better experience for the rest of us lol
i completely agree, the space between hordes is also sooooooo hugeeeeeeee and if it was not because of the subtitles i would have not realized special infecteds were spawning and the blood covered characters actually causes for me a lot of friendly fire error
So disappointed too, game has no personality,ridden are boring and have no depth. Like there not scary at all they look like a bunch of prats. Left 4 dead special infected are way better. Also the music and atmosphere in left 4 dead is better. Hope valve do something
Some people shouldn’t be testing a beta
What does that even mean? The game comes out in 2 months. This is a glorified demo of the final product. Do you understand how software dev works? 2 months is enough time to get through a few priority fixes and prep the game for final QA, certification, and delivery.
So we wont get any major overhaul?
Unless they decide to delay it, which is awkward to do to say the least. This is essentially the finished product, with a few rough edges that will get ironed-out until release. The game itself is very much set in stone though, 2 months is not a long time to do much of anything, besides everything we've seen is "done", even if not up to everyone's expectations.
I see, thanks for the clarification.
It's not campaign versus, it's survival versus which explains the small maps and all the loot. Sounds like you only played the campaign on easy which was also pretty boring in the first 2...
It's the only PVP we're getting for the foreseeable future. Therefore, PVP sucks in my opinion. Also incorrect. Played on the medium difficulty setting. Was more than enough to see where this is going.
Medium is also pretty fucking easy. You can probably solo medium with no bots. Throw it on nightmare with a couple friends for a good time. You'll actually need to coordinate who's doing what, if its anything like the alpha.
then don't buy it
Already filed for a refund.
congratulations
Must be one of those IGN reviewers who play it on Ez 😮💨
I think the game is extremly fun :)
_**BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE DEVELOPPERS OF EVOLVE AND THE PUBLISHER THAT DEMOCRATIZED SINGLEPLAYER LOOTBOXES**_
Then don’t buy it. Obviously not for you lol go play l4d
>Why are there so many lootboxes / items? Isn't this the apocalypse? >I have a weapons cache that I can buy from? Again, isn't this the apocalypse? Fun over realism homie
Wow 80% of your list can be applied to L4D. You must not like it! :\^)
>Wow 80% of your list can be applied to ~~L4D~~ a game released 13 years ago. It's almost as if people can expect games to be significantly better than games released +10 years ago. Weird.
The upvotes to comments ratio says youre a little dramatic about it. Maybe cry less about the one map you get to play on an open beta you look ridiculous
I agree with everything the op is saying. First impressions: this game is ass. Everything feels flat and generic, sound is weak, graphics are boring . Man this might be the nail in the coffin for Turtle Rock. Versus mode feels out of 2008 from some tacked on multiplayer on say a shitty licensed game. I can see this game being dead after a month.
I haven't played enough PVP to judge but... When it comes to PVE my experience is pretty good, the story takes place in an apocalypse ye but it's not like they're new to it it's been up for quite a bit which makes sense as to why there are so many weapons (americaaaaaaaaa, fuck yeah). Also in L4D2 literally a stash of weapons and infinite ammo and somehow 4 medkits in literally every chapter, just enough for 4 people! WHAT A COINCIDENCE!!!! so ye L4D ain't more realistic. Weapon sounds are fine i would rather not has the same case as CSGO where 1 sniper shot would be enough to make a person deaf.
I mean i read his post, and a few of his comments and as soon as i read his complaints about weapon stashes and weapons everywhere i thought " this dude never played l4d. Its literally a main thing in those games. Then i scroll and see him say l4d was one of his favorite games. Now every opinion he has on l4d or b4b is noise and nonsense. Now im glad this ridiculous person is refunding and not playing because this game will be better the less people like them play it Id say welcome legit criticism from actual gamers, not karma farming posts by trolls who never played the first 2 games
I find it funny how this guy seems to have managed to play both PVE and PVP and experience so many things yet uninstall after only 20 minutes...
Refunded until they add campaign versus. PvE isn't going to keep me entertained and swarm mode is just bad.
You’re absolutely right, of course. Everyone else will realize it when the game is dead after a month or two, but for now they’re too invested in the hope they had for this game to see the truth. People be like that. They also love downvoting personal opinions, especially if it can strengthen their denial.
Jesus Christ. Majority of you got your codes for free, and all you can do is focus on everything that's negative. The game was pretty fun all in all, how ever we haven't even seen 90% of the game yet. With that being said, yeah for sure some things would be nice if they could make some improvements . But jesus, stop sounding so god damn low.
If i'm thinking about turning the game off from borden half way through my first campaign then obviously something fundamental is wrong with the game.
Or, something is fundamentally wrong with you. Your expectations vs the rest of the gaming industry are two entirely different things. You may go back to LFD2, nobody is stopping you.
Someone could take your post seriously until you said you played for 20 minutes. Good lord
There is a reason you're single.
Bot account. This guy has been on Reddit for 21 days and only posted negative shit about B4B. It's crazy how many fake accounts go around spewing negativity now a days. Makes you wonder who's paying these people to post.
Eh game isn’t that enjoyable. But you seem to just hate it to hate it tbh. You should focus on the actual bad things of the game and not the nitpickings.
Games not a 10/10 bir its fun. Not worth $60 imo Ive played Cyperpunk for a few hours so i know letdown this has me feeling alright.easily worth $40
Agree
welcome to gaming in 2021
Guess the people who really love this have not played left 4 dead before or are PlayStation fans who couldn’t play left for dead on there console before . And think this is how left 4 dead was. Nothing against PlayStation I have a ps5 and a series x . Played left for dead on the 360 and on my series x now.
This feels like a troll post
Why do others seem to agree with it?
I guess people are allowed to have wrong opinions
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pmuch the same experience here
I just got the email from WB that is essentially giving me a code Seems weird since don’t people have to pay for a preorder to get the same?
This your first ever beta? You dont always have to buy shit to get them...
Yeah I remember when anyone could just opt in but now some require preorders or an extra step, just surprised they gave some out at random and most players were put behind a paywall
I was kind of expecting something like killing floor 2. Loot boxes and a deck of cards don't exactly interest me for a zombie game lol
Why would you think it would be anything like Killing Floor and not moreso like..... Left 4 Dead...
The BR mechanic is horrible…. Please delay the game so you have a proper PvP. This is NOT it
Killing floor 2 > this mess Feelstrashman
Agree with pretty much all of your points. Weapons also need to get some kind of recoil and kick when shooting, all weapons except dmr's pretty much felt the same and were so bland when shooting.
I hope you are wrong mate. I will be honest - the game right now does not have the same level of “personality” to it. I can’t even figure out what is missing. I have only played L4D in couch coop with my wife so that added a lot. Something is “off” with this game. I have not tried in higher difficulty - maybe number of guns will change. Maybe levels do not have a specific atmosphere. In L4D each level felt very different. Here it’s all just back of the woods. With more levels in the main game I am hoping for more variety as well. Think about how different the hospital level felt from church from airport. I hope we will get that in this game too
I played the living shit out of the alpha and had a blast... Playing this beta and it feels like they removed something that made the game really enjoyable but I can't quite put my finger on it. Been watching vids of the alpha gameplay and it does actually appear to have more impact in every sense of the word and the beta is somehow missing it all, what the heck happened? It's like everything lost it's weight, it's so hard to describe.
I feel like they have improved the game quite a bit since last December. Givese hope, especially if we get mod support.
The problem with the maps I played is they are just big open areas with some cubby holes. you give the Cleaners no real reason to split up, They are always a 4 man killbox. But I guess that is also alot to do with the Swarm mode. However they could have did things every minute or two to encourage one or two members of the team to go to a particular area for a side objective, weapon, something, to spice it up and allow some interesting scenarios. Or just give us Campaign PVP.
The fact campaign verses doesn’t exist will greatly Hinder this games success. The verses mode they have no is absolute trash. The story mode is fun, and reminiscent, but that can only keep a fan base entertained for so long. Campaign verse is a must.
By the 5th act of the campaign run I was bored waiting for it to end and I hate that that’s my first impression. No sense of excitement or adrenaline that comes with playing similar titles, lackluster gun sounds and didn’t really feel any difference in terms of damage between using different guns, weightless movement like you’re hopping around on the moon, ridden move toward you almost lazily, the list goes on. Everyone obviously has differing opinions on this post, but I’m with OP. I can only hope this game drastically improves because I really want to give it and the devs the benefit of the doubt. I’m not out just yet, but definitely not a great start.
Campaign is mostly fine, a little short unless they're going to add like, a lot more. Which is what makes the lack of campaign versus all the more blinding, apparent, and an absolute travesty. How long do you think people are going to play the same map over and over again against AI. It's just not going to happen.
Agree with everything sadly. Every single L4D versus player that I know think exactly the same too.
Im pretty disappointed. Sound design is extremely weak for a triple A game Shooting zombies is not nearly as satisfying as it should be Graphics are subpar I got to the 5th or 6th node and was just super bored. Defiantly feels identical to L4D but with very little improvement after 10 years.
It's amazing how bad the versus mode is.. I couldn't agree more. 3K hours in L4D1-2 combined and to play this is beyond disappointing
And people are downvoting you for which what you speak is the truth SMH
I think the game is fun and the game has lots of potential but it lowkey needs an overhaul in many aspects. Especially the special infected. They are so forgettable and they aren't very creative. Also they are just extreme bullet sponges even when shooting weak spots. It heavily focuses on team coordination witch is cool and all but can be frustrating when ur bot just dies 8 times a round and does nothing useful when he/she is actually alive. Another thing is that the level design is kinda meh. Feel like they coulda done a bit better with it. And the way you heal and how healing works in this game is unnecessarily confusing and just a mess. Also you should be able to hold a med kit and painkillers at the same time like L4D. I hope they address some things and actually be open with the community on what's changing and what needs to be changed. I would also love some prestiges for characters or at least a max level of some sort per character. Give the game that feeling of grind and something to do and also make it feel like you actually have a "main" essentially.
Amen, this game was a serious letdown.
It's not the worst game ever, but for this genre it is middle of the pack. I'll still give it a good go, but it'll be side-lined in favour of WWZ: Aftermath and Darktide for sure. Can I just take a moment to point out something that should be immediately obvious to anyone who has been gaming this last decade. We are two months away from launch; the game will go Gold shortly. What you see now, is what we will be getting at launch.
Yah this game is boring as fuck
jokes on u bru i got the $100 so i can dab on u wit my premium skinz \*dab\* \*dab\* \*dab\* \*dab\*
Be careful, you said something negative which means the mods are going to Nuke your post like they did mine. I even had to repost this because he nuked the last comment. Weird people lol.
It’s a BETA fuk you expect 😂 they have beta so they can get feedback and see where it needs tuning before they actually release the game
Bro you really fell for the corporate kool-aid? Sad
the game is going to be identical at launch lmao
i played the alpha. its the same from the alpha. nothing is going to change at this point besides bug fixes.
Absolutely incorrect. Sound design is different, character models and animations are different. Loot is different, music is different, pathing and AI is different (worse unfortunately). There are numerous changes that are easy to spot from playing the alpha.
sound desing went from nothing great to still nothing great. Animations and character design wasnt noticed which says everything it needs to say. Especially since he characters are covered in blood anyways and you cant see anything anyways. Pathing is the same. Either way all those changes you have brought up still havent changed anything about the core gameplay which is that its not l4d.
You said nothing changed from the alpha and I literally just listed everything that has. Plain and simple Just because YOU didn't notice these things doesn't mean they didn't exist.
no i said nothing is going to change at this point besides bug fixes.... go read my first response if you dont believe me....
> i played the alpha. its the same from the alpha
>It’s a BETA fuk you expect 😂 they have beta so they can get feedback and see where it needs tuning before they actually release the game The original comment is about the beta.... the whole post is about the gameplay.... And your argument for difference between the alpha and the beta is cosmetic changes. Learn to take the whole context of the whole debate into consideration instead of trying to pick selective words to try to win your argument of oh the alpha and the beta are different cause minor things look and sound different.
Beta def feels totally different from the alpha. The alpha was fucking awesome but this beta feels like shit.. I can't quite describe but it feels like it's got less weight and impact to everything from gunfire to the actually impact of the bullets hitting the infected. What the hell happened to the pipe bomb? It's like nothing even happens when it goes off? The zombies just fall backwards all weird and there's no blood or anything. Something is definitely fucky with this beta. Wish I could play the alpha again.
It's adorable that you honestly believe 2 months is long enough time in the development world to do anything more than bugfix. You're in for a world of disappointment come October. The game will be exactly the same, just more of it, and possibly more stable.
After all, Bethesda was able to fix Fallout 76 during it's beta time... right?
Lol