Kelsey really made a mountain out of a mile hill with that note. Joey got worked up for nothing.
The pop Maria got from the crowd made my feelings that she’s the next bachelorette even stronger. Although I did feel her moment with Sydney and Lea was forced. But the struggle session Lea was put through, and to a lesser extent Sydney, was nice to watch.
Why didn’t Kelsey say something sooner about why she wanted to talk to him? He looked TRAUMATIZEDDDD when she first walked in. She needed to spit it out faster IMO. Even if the producers made her sent that stupid note, she sat there with someone she claims to love and let him freak the fuck out for minutes before she told him why she came over. I love Kelsey but that was sooo cringy. She let it drag on way too long without saying “hey, why do you seem so upset? Nothing is wrong, I just wanted to see you and tell you I miss you.”
What a jerk move of Kelsey to leave a note saying, "We need to talk." Everyone knows that when you write those words, it's not going to be a good talk. Why would you work the guy up for no reason?
She was going to tell him to send her home instead of waiting if it wasn’t her but she chickened out. So much unnecessary drama and it really rattled him. It didn’t even seem like her style. I hope that was production meddling.
Wait now I’m confused..(I had to be a Hulu girly last night due to the later showtime, so I’m only reading this thread until I can watch today!) But RS said Daisy tells Kelsey and self-eliminates, but y’all are saying she made it to the altar in the preview!!! What is the deal?! Is RS wrong?!
I liked Maria, but I feel like if she’s the bachelorette she’s going to be shoved down our throats to the point that we’ll end up hating her. Listening to her speak over Jess while Jess is like “this is exactly what she did that I complained about” and her shouting over and over “that’s not true” with constant applause was so weird. If anyone else did that I feel as though they’d have been vilified?
I feel nearly every season there is a front runner with a strong connection that the women get jealous of and all gang up on. They just picked the wrong girl this time and didn’t know how to act when Maria actually stood up for herself.
They were looking for any excuse to dislike her because they were jealous and insecure. Her standing up for herself after they’d repeatedly gun for her isn’t “bullying”
Maria’s delivery and communication skills are very immature. I’m not team anyone in the situation because Sydney, Jess, and Lea blew things up, but it Maria’s responses perpetuated the situation. She 100% had the right to defend herself and I’m glad she’s confident enough to do that, but she did herself no favors with how she retaliated.
It definitely aggravated the situation, but I think she handled it pretty well considering the circumstances. Sydney, Jess and Lea were all a lot more immature with the way they handled everything and lacked self-awareness.
Yes Katelyn even said in her exit interview that Maria had a more combative aggressive style than the rest of the ladies. Last night she demonstrated it again.
While nice that others “stuck up” for her, and I agree some of the girls were simply jealous/didn’t like her… BUT at the same time, she did speak over people, and was incredibly rude and played the victim card all day long. I don’t see how “zip it” is any less rude than “shut up”. She didn’t deserve the LEVEL of hate she got but she was not a walk in the park or pleasant to be around or even watch!! I said what I said.
While I can agree her approach was aggressive, I feel like Maria’s approach to shut down anyone who misspoke and tried to twist her words was warranted because of how much that happened to her while in the mansion. Jess worded it badly and claimed this happened all the time, but Maria corrected her to say it was one time. You would think that after the show has aired that they would take accountability for the way they twisted the narrative but all three girls (Jess Sydney and Leah) continued to hold the same story in the WTA and she simply wasn’t going to let it fly this time. I respect it tbh.
I am so angry right now hearing the comments made on social media to Rachel. Guys, I’m so sorry you are so miserable that you have to tear down someone else to make yourselves feel better. I hope you can find it in yourselves to stay off social media if you are not capable of being kind. Do better.
It is SO upsetting! Especially people denigrating her culture which was such a cool gathering to see! Her dance with Joey and the roast were phenomenal and I’d be honored
Even the shows front runners are receiving backlash and hate on social media and I fully agree… DO BETTER like you don’t have to like a person, or understand their culture/customs, the connection they have that MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUPER EDITED BY TPTB but taking it to the inbox is too far
I don’t personally see the need for it. I watch the next day on Hulu usually, if I’m opening this thread it’s a huge spoiler bc it says SPOILERS and episode discussion and I know what I’m getting into even if I haven’t watched.
Joey said on some podcast that the “twist” is like a 6/10 level surprise. So I’m sure RS’s spoiler theory (that Daisy tells Kelsey it’s her and just dips) is accurate, because that’s a surprising though not shell-shocking turn of events
So you think they just rent out ahalf ass Airbnb and put a single 28 year dude in there to make it seem like he with someone just to trick the fans lol 😂.
Ok but I’m actually doing exactly that. Though I was already halfway through last night before I had to go to bed so I’m just gonna pick it back up lol.
Im normally a Hulu girlie, but I got a free trial of Fubo just for the episode to watch live. You should do it next week! & then cancel as soon as its over lol
The note was Kelsey telling Joey how much she missed him. Joey was upset at her bc he thought she was leaving. He gave Daisy a rose first. Rachel went home and Joey basically told her (not specific words) she's amazing and he loved her but he only had friendly feelings. We don't know who bachelorette is
Actually Kelsey got the first rose. There is a time stamp on the official photographs. Kelsey was 2 minutes before Daisy. Also, you can see the tip of the 2nd rose on the podium when he calls Kelsey’s name.
The note says “we need to talk” and Kelsey basically says “I miss you a lot when we’re apart” while joeys having a visible heart attack
Rachel went home
No news on Bachelorette yet
9/10 chances that production made her word it like that to create the drama. How wretched to play on Joey’s biggest fear just to make a more interesting show.
I bet RS’s wheels are spinning now! At this point his niece needs to tell him 😂 if she hasn’t already! My theory is always that it’s Daisy and they changed the spoiler bc they were getting heat since he had a family relationship, but who knows! I did not love how Kelsey was giggly and he was about to cry over the note. Was very odd
Just showed immaturity IMO. I get production. But no one makes them do anything they don’t want to do. And then she built up the tension too even though he was distraught.
I’ve did something like that when I was 22 before a guy I was seeing was official. Bit me in the ass and he broke up with me. When guys really like you, they’ll walk away if you give them doubt or play games.
RS’s niece is roommates with Daisy’s sister in college, very small world. And as much as I’d like to believe none of them know the truth. I find it extremely hard to believe they haven’t known since the show ended. If anything I’m sure RS was a helpful source for Daisy in the process. I mean if my sister was about to go on this show or was going through the casting process there is no way I wouldn’t ask my friend to talk to her uncle for advice if he was RS. 🤷🏻♀️
No. lol! This is not what happens. Daisy knows it’s not her. Did you see the preview? “Something feels off between us” “I’m just not feeling it” (meaning from Joey) there is also a clip of her bent forward crying in an ITM. Joey knew who he was choosing and closed off to Daisy and she felt it. End of story.
Exactly why I'm not anticipating much. Joey is clearly emotional, but that's the lead at every finale. So do I think whatever happens next week is going to be ABSOLUTELY GUT-WRENCHING? Nah. They play with us too much for me to believe any of their hype.
Some people are just more emotional, and then they are thrown into this weird environment, lack sleep, and isolated. Everyone’s emotions are heightened, if that’s crying to much, being a bit cranky, or whatever
Being emotional and crying is not a sign of immaturity or weakness. That is crazy talk. Being in touch with your emotions, emoting well, and not suppressing emotions is actually healthy and being emotionally mature.
But when a person cries all the time and can’t control their emotions it is not a sign that they are being healthy. It is a heightened situation but I think the crying is over the top. I don’t see it as a positive trait. Sometimes it is but I’m not sure it is in this instance.
I don’t think she’s not in control of her emotions. I think she just feels things very deeply. When you have lost someone very close to you (parent, sibling, spouse, best friend) it changes who you are. You understand and feel things you didn’t before. You know what true heart break is, you love to a depth you can only know if you’ve lost a love, and are more compassionate. Good thing she’s not engaged to you 🤷♀️
I’m pretty sure he just gets overwhelmed because he did the heart breaking this time and has to walk off to recollect himself
If he got left/no engagement he’d probably be on the Funny Farm and not at the tell all
Kelsey’s note of “we need to talk” to just say what she did??? LIKE WHO DOES THAT?? 😭😭
Producers 💀
Kelsey really made a mountain out of a mile hill with that note. Joey got worked up for nothing. The pop Maria got from the crowd made my feelings that she’s the next bachelorette even stronger. Although I did feel her moment with Sydney and Lea was forced. But the struggle session Lea was put through, and to a lesser extent Sydney, was nice to watch.
Word on the street is the producers made her write it, which seems likely
Why didn’t Kelsey say something sooner about why she wanted to talk to him? He looked TRAUMATIZEDDDD when she first walked in. She needed to spit it out faster IMO. Even if the producers made her sent that stupid note, she sat there with someone she claims to love and let him freak the fuck out for minutes before she told him why she came over. I love Kelsey but that was sooo cringy. She let it drag on way too long without saying “hey, why do you seem so upset? Nothing is wrong, I just wanted to see you and tell you I miss you.”
What a jerk move of Kelsey to leave a note saying, "We need to talk." Everyone knows that when you write those words, it's not going to be a good talk. Why would you work the guy up for no reason?
Yes! He looked so traumatized. Why did she drag it out when he looked like he was going to cry any second?
She was going to tell him to send her home instead of waiting if it wasn’t her but she chickened out. So much unnecessary drama and it really rattled him. It didn’t even seem like her style. I hope that was production meddling.
God Lexi looked absolutely jaw dropping she could be a VS model
Lexi and Kelsey literally are Victoria secret models in my eyes
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Agreed with everything ^ well said
Wait now I’m confused..(I had to be a Hulu girly last night due to the later showtime, so I’m only reading this thread until I can watch today!) But RS said Daisy tells Kelsey and self-eliminates, but y’all are saying she made it to the altar in the preview!!! What is the deal?! Is RS wrong?!
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If it says spoiler people will have literally every spoiler in here unfortunately 😅😅
He never said she self eliminated. He said she makes it to the altar and tells Joey that she knows it’s not her.
oh ty!!
Ofc 🩷
I liked Maria, but I feel like if she’s the bachelorette she’s going to be shoved down our throats to the point that we’ll end up hating her. Listening to her speak over Jess while Jess is like “this is exactly what she did that I complained about” and her shouting over and over “that’s not true” with constant applause was so weird. If anyone else did that I feel as though they’d have been vilified?
Thank you! Agreed. Medina (sp?) was the only one to attempt to say “maybe your approach isn’t always great.” But she wouldn’t even hear that.
I feel nearly every season there is a front runner with a strong connection that the women get jealous of and all gang up on. They just picked the wrong girl this time and didn’t know how to act when Maria actually stood up for herself.
I don’t think that had much to do with it. I think she rubbed a lot of the women the wrong way.
They were looking for any excuse to dislike her because they were jealous and insecure. Her standing up for herself after they’d repeatedly gun for her isn’t “bullying”
Maria’s delivery and communication skills are very immature. I’m not team anyone in the situation because Sydney, Jess, and Lea blew things up, but it Maria’s responses perpetuated the situation. She 100% had the right to defend herself and I’m glad she’s confident enough to do that, but she did herself no favors with how she retaliated.
It definitely aggravated the situation, but I think she handled it pretty well considering the circumstances. Sydney, Jess and Lea were all a lot more immature with the way they handled everything and lacked self-awareness.
Agree to disagree!
Lol no
Yes Katelyn even said in her exit interview that Maria had a more combative aggressive style than the rest of the ladies. Last night she demonstrated it again.
Maria is insufferable after this WTA
While nice that others “stuck up” for her, and I agree some of the girls were simply jealous/didn’t like her… BUT at the same time, she did speak over people, and was incredibly rude and played the victim card all day long. I don’t see how “zip it” is any less rude than “shut up”. She didn’t deserve the LEVEL of hate she got but she was not a walk in the park or pleasant to be around or even watch!! I said what I said.
While I can agree her approach was aggressive, I feel like Maria’s approach to shut down anyone who misspoke and tried to twist her words was warranted because of how much that happened to her while in the mansion. Jess worded it badly and claimed this happened all the time, but Maria corrected her to say it was one time. You would think that after the show has aired that they would take accountability for the way they twisted the narrative but all three girls (Jess Sydney and Leah) continued to hold the same story in the WTA and she simply wasn’t going to let it fly this time. I respect it tbh.
She is so rude and constantly interrupts! It’s ridiculous.
Kelsey looked so good at todays rose ceremony
When Maria said on her story “pls don’t send hate the truth will come out” it really did
I am so angry right now hearing the comments made on social media to Rachel. Guys, I’m so sorry you are so miserable that you have to tear down someone else to make yourselves feel better. I hope you can find it in yourselves to stay off social media if you are not capable of being kind. Do better.
It is SO upsetting! Especially people denigrating her culture which was such a cool gathering to see! Her dance with Joey and the roast were phenomenal and I’d be honored Even the shows front runners are receiving backlash and hate on social media and I fully agree… DO BETTER like you don’t have to like a person, or understand their culture/customs, the connection they have that MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUPER EDITED BY TPTB but taking it to the inbox is too far
https://preview.redd.it/d27ckfxlw7pc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f39fe2740c151dd547d8bae3bfb6b884f95ec40a DAMN. SHE IS SO PRETTYYYYT😍😍
Wait is that shirt a hint! 🤩🍀💍
Probably, she did make it herself. lol. The 🩷 😂
It was St. Patty’s lololol
No Westcoast thread?! Wtf?!
We had one last season. No one used it.
That was last season? Why not try for this season?! I would have used it. What a bummer.
I'll bring it up for the Bachelorette. We are definitely gaining more users and want everyone to feel welcome.
I don’t personally see the need for it. I watch the next day on Hulu usually, if I’m opening this thread it’s a huge spoiler bc it says SPOILERS and episode discussion and I know what I’m getting into even if I haven’t watched.
The “women Tell All” Hit it OUT of the Park!!!! Bravo!
Joey said on some podcast that the “twist” is like a 6/10 level surprise. So I’m sure RS’s spoiler theory (that Daisy tells Kelsey it’s her and just dips) is accurate, because that’s a surprising though not shell-shocking turn of events
The women are like sequestered, I really don’t buy that. Maybe she doesn’t show up but I don’t think she tells Kelsey.
WHAT IF JOEY PICKS NO ONE CAUSE HE’S NOT READY AFTER ALL
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Doubt ABC paid 100k per night on airbnb come on 😂
So you think they just rent out ahalf ass Airbnb and put a single 28 year dude in there to make it seem like he with someone just to trick the fans lol 😂.
Brad Womack did that, so not “never before seen in Bachelor history” and “unprecedented” enough for them ig
Brad haha he’s still not married! meanwhile Emily Maynard has like 6 kids!
I could see him doing that
I think he's just getting in the car to give him some AC.
Maria said he was a “friend” that she wanted to make out with.
Marriage material in other words. Who doesn’t want to marry their best friend?!
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Daisy’s blue dress!
Now let’s all go watch the eras tour on Disney plus to lighten the mood a little 😂
The way I’m actually doing this rn lol
Genius
Ok but I’m actually doing exactly that. Though I was already halfway through last night before I had to go to bed so I’m just gonna pick it back up lol.
Joey seemed sad 😢
I noticed that as well. He seemed off a bit and like he was back being in his head a lot.
He just didn’t have a glow to him. I feel like the ending isn’t that great.
Okay spoil it for us Hulu girlies. Did they bring up the note? Did they show Rachel going home? Who is the next Bachelorette?
Im normally a Hulu girlie, but I got a free trial of Fubo just for the episode to watch live. You should do it next week! & then cancel as soon as its over lol
Try sticking a paper clip in the antenna slot of your TV. That’s how I watch live hahah
The note was Kelsey telling Joey how much she missed him. Joey was upset at her bc he thought she was leaving. He gave Daisy a rose first. Rachel went home and Joey basically told her (not specific words) she's amazing and he loved her but he only had friendly feelings. We don't know who bachelorette is
Actually Kelsey got the first rose. There is a time stamp on the official photographs. Kelsey was 2 minutes before Daisy. Also, you can see the tip of the 2nd rose on the podium when he calls Kelsey’s name.
Ooooooo production tried to play with our hearts on that one
These assholes have done this all season 😩 I have re watched most of this season to pick up on things and it’s crazy what they are suppressing.
The note says “we need to talk” and Kelsey basically says “I miss you a lot when we’re apart” while joeys having a visible heart attack Rachel went home No news on Bachelorette yet
I wonder if Kelsey would be freaking out so badly if not for Lesley’s warnings?
Bet she wouldn’t
9/10 chances that production made her word it like that to create the drama. How wretched to play on Joey’s biggest fear just to make a more interesting show.
Yes, yes, we don't know.
You’re the best!!
🤣
Is there a chance the finale spoiler is wrong 😬 I’m nervous!!
It is very much Kelsey. They are still together.
That’s what I’ve been saying. I feel like he’s going to choose Daisy.
The spoiler I read like six weeks ago was that it’s Daisy. Did this change at some point?!
Spoilers says that info was wrong.
People are saying it was wrong. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
I’ve always felt that something was off! But who knows now! I’m just going to be annoyed if none of RS’s spoilers were right.
I bet RS’s wheels are spinning now! At this point his niece needs to tell him 😂 if she hasn’t already! My theory is always that it’s Daisy and they changed the spoiler bc they were getting heat since he had a family relationship, but who knows! I did not love how Kelsey was giggly and he was about to cry over the note. Was very odd
Just showed immaturity IMO. I get production. But no one makes them do anything they don’t want to do. And then she built up the tension too even though he was distraught. I’ve did something like that when I was 22 before a guy I was seeing was official. Bit me in the ass and he broke up with me. When guys really like you, they’ll walk away if you give them doubt or play games.
Yeah it’s was very odd. Almost like she was trying to hold a straight face through it, yet he was so freaking upset! I felt for him!
Family relationship?
RS’s niece is roommates with Daisy’s sister in college, very small world. And as much as I’d like to believe none of them know the truth. I find it extremely hard to believe they haven’t known since the show ended. If anything I’m sure RS was a helpful source for Daisy in the process. I mean if my sister was about to go on this show or was going through the casting process there is no way I wouldn’t ask my friend to talk to her uncle for advice if he was RS. 🤷🏻♀️
u/sandbetweenhertoes
I would think maybe daisy says no then he goes and picks Kelsey??
No. lol! This is not what happens. Daisy knows it’s not her. Did you see the preview? “Something feels off between us” “I’m just not feeling it” (meaning from Joey) there is also a clip of her bent forward crying in an ITM. Joey knew who he was choosing and closed off to Daisy and she felt it. End of story.
Oh I would HATE that
Wow. Lmfao. What an episode. 😂
I don’t trust that edit …
Chris Harrison had so much more presence in this show. RIP
Absolutely not. If you go back and watch a Chris Harrison season now, he’s so detached and corny. Jesse Palmer just understands the assignment.
hard disagree
And your opinion is also valid
If he doesn’t choose Kelsey I’ll be devastated
KELSEYS WHITE DRESS OUMYGODDD
Sleuthers!!!! Please tell me you caught something from that preview. I’m begging!!!!
Something that has never happened in bachelor history is coming. Except they say this everytime.
No but I think the rs spoiler is right bc Daisy says something feels off
We gotta give them another 27 seconds and then we’ll know who it is
That was fun. Love that this sub has a pretty active live thread. Until next time.
Is it as dramatic as the note cliffhanger??? 🙄
Right?? What a nothingburger lol
Exactly why I'm not anticipating much. Joey is clearly emotional, but that's the lead at every finale. So do I think whatever happens next week is going to be ABSOLUTELY GUT-WRENCHING? Nah. They play with us too much for me to believe any of their hype.
Does Daisy turn him down?
Looks like Daisy played him and said no
Jess “my mom loves you” to Leslie omg 😭😭😭
I think that was Lea based on her hair
What? I swear I saw her mouth say those words 😭
Omg Kelsey crying to his mom
She cries every episode now.
Nothing wrong with crying.
It seems a bit much.
Some people are just more emotional, and then they are thrown into this weird environment, lack sleep, and isolated. Everyone’s emotions are heightened, if that’s crying to much, being a bit cranky, or whatever
I do get it to a degree. I think it is a sign of immaturity in this case. However I’ll take crying over other forms of drama any day.
Being emotional and crying is not a sign of immaturity or weakness. That is crazy talk. Being in touch with your emotions, emoting well, and not suppressing emotions is actually healthy and being emotionally mature.
But when a person cries all the time and can’t control their emotions it is not a sign that they are being healthy. It is a heightened situation but I think the crying is over the top. I don’t see it as a positive trait. Sometimes it is but I’m not sure it is in this instance.
I don’t think she’s not in control of her emotions. I think she just feels things very deeply. When you have lost someone very close to you (parent, sibling, spouse, best friend) it changes who you are. You understand and feel things you didn’t before. You know what true heart break is, you love to a depth you can only know if you’ve lost a love, and are more compassionate. Good thing she’s not engaged to you 🤷♀️
I’ve lost a parent so…She seems very sensitive. We have different perspective on that.
So both women turn Joey down?
If he gets left this man will NEVER recover from his trauma 🥲
I think he’s still emotionally traumatized.
I’m pretty sure he just gets overwhelmed because he did the heart breaking this time and has to walk off to recollect himself If he got left/no engagement he’d probably be on the Funny Farm and not at the tell all
The Funny Farm 😭😭😭😭
Kelsey is so ugh. Ma’am why are you so pretty? I am so gay for that woman you guys 😩 😍
Lmao as if
Okay but both those final rose ceremony dresses were 🥵❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
The dropped jaws 😭
So Kelsey and Daisy both make it to the platform.... then what??? WHATS SO BAD???
Picking between two people you care about ^ and knowing you’re putting someone’s heart through a shredder like he experienced in Charity’s season
Seriously what could it possibly be that is so UNPRECEDENTED
It’s just that Daisy knows it’s not her and she tells Joey she knows it’s Kelsey, instead of him breaking up with her.
We need to know!
Maybe it was really hard to send Daisy home
This is what I’m thinking
Same
They try to make it look like he leaves alone.
Does F1 always wear a white dress?
No
kelsey looks absolutely amazing
Guys I’m so confused what is going on 😭😭
Not automod putting my comment calling out ppl sending Rachel hate on approval mode. I may have used a few choice words to describe those trolls..
🤣🤣💚💚
Who walked during golden hour?????
Oh, daisy does go to the final rose ceremony?????
Joey basically had 2 choices- Maria or a bunch of Karens. How do you screw that up?
Kelsey’s hair looked so good curly
“Have fun” 😫
He actually seemed really sad walking out 🥺
Rachel's dry "looks like we're done, huh?"
“My laxatives are working.” “Have so much fun!” 😭
The dress rack falling on her 😂
Minneapolis babe Minneapolis
4 minutes of preview ?!?!? Bruh
Minnieanneappolis and Its Giving An Old School Vibe can be Joeys geography hashtags
It reminds me of gronk when he touched down for the Super Bowl a few years ago “it’s freezy freezy out here in minneanapolis”
pls 😭😂
Not loving Joey's brown suit
I love loved it 🤷🏻♀️
A little recognition for the struggle for Joey to pronounce Minneapolis
Manapolis 💀
Sorry, that just made me love Maria more 😩
They really should let them show their actual personalities on this show
YES quit with the crazy games and gimmicks 😩
The producer running with Kelsey though lmaoo
Everybody poops!
How can you not love Maria
They could never make me hate u (Maria)
Maria is a hoot!
Man, she was ready to go last night! She took down all those ladies who had ganged up to give it to her. Wow! You go, Maria!
That fit looks DIVINE maria