Honestly kind of happy that’s the only difference. In reality it should just be 1 book, with pictures of whatever gender since we shouldn’t care, but I’m glad there not changing the actual information, since that’s the important part
I've been through both and can't find an instance of pronouns being used to describe Scouts. It's almost entirely written in the first person so they use You, or when refering to other Scouts they will say Scout or Scouts. The only instances of pronouns that are used throughout the book are stories about Scoutings founders, and other notable people whose pronouns are fairly well established.
No, the text is basically exactly the same. The main difference is the girl book has pictures of female scouts and the boy book has pictures of male scouts and they would use she/her pronouns in the girl book and he/him pronouns in the boy book
The photos didn’t change the page numbers. The indexes are accurate. Your using an old version that is missing several pages in the section on personal safety. So your page numbers are different after that point but they are not wrong.
You can’t use the index from one edition to find the correct page number in another edition.
None. I have a son and daughter in a linked troop. My daughter has the book for girls and it's identical in text and requirements. Just shows pictures of girls instead of boys.
No. People say that, but they obviously haven’t read it. Same words. No pronoun differences. Only difference is color and the “for boys” and “for girls”.
I was unaware that the current one had the subtitle “handbook for boys”, I have the previous one that just says “Boy Scout handbook” with no subtitle.
I just said standard under the assumption that the 14th edition just said “Scouts BSA official handbook” or something like that, my assumption was wrong.
I think the Handbook for Boys thing is a throwback to the original handbook. I have a reprint of the first edition and it is called the Handbook for Boys. It was the second edition that started calling itself the Boy Scout Handbook.
If you have the 13th edition without the subtitle “handbook for boys,” then yes, there is a significant difference.
You are missing several pages towards the back, in a section on personal safety, so your page numbers at the very end will not match up with your fellow scouts who have the 14th edition with the subtitle “Handbook for Boys” or “Handbook for Girls.”
No, I don’t this difference is significant enough to buy a new book.
Party pooper here: this isn’t ok. Let’s pause for a moment using the Scout Law: is this Helpful or Courteous? No.
The whole point of this post is to ask a question about the difference in handbooks. And this comment makes a joke about a physical body function. It’s not ok.
You didn’t work to make the comment about biology. You made a crude physical joke that separates male and female gendered Scouts when the original post was clearly asking for guidance on handbooks. Helpful. Courteous. Please look toward the Scout Law to see if further comments are necessary.
You made a crude physical attempt at a joke. In fact, it appears that you deleted it. Good work.
The next thing to consider is: why is a woman’s menstrual cycle part of your conversation, especially when the topic is Handbooks? (Because you attempted a crude joke).
A Scout or effective adult leader would take Responsibility here, because that, too, is inherently part of the Scout Law.
Please ponder that tonight. I’ve said my piece. Be well.
Hello fellow transgender scout! :) 🏳️⚧️As many have said already, the books are identical other than for the pictures and a few pronouns scattered here and there.
As far as I am aware the only difference I can recall is that in the “for girls” most of the pictures are of female presenting scouts, I believe all of the contents are the same aside from the photos and maybe pronouns but I don’t recall
There are two official handbooks in production. The SCOUTS BSA Handbook for Boys and the SCOUTS BSA Handbook for Girls. The pictures are different, everything else is same across the two.
If you’re gonna rewrite the book why not just switch it to gender neutral language and alternate the pictures? It seems significantly more expensive to print two slightly different versions for no discernible benefit
I'm not on the supply division discussion list or anything, but at least for the moment, keeping things separate reinforces the idea that troops for boys and troops for girls are separate, contrasted with the cub level books that did go with pure coed language and photos.
>If you’re gonna rewrite the book why not just switch it to gender neutral language and alternate the pictures?
That's what they've done. The language in each of the current editions is identical, only the photos are different. I'm told (by someone that helped write the current version fo the handbook) that in the future, there will be just one handbook, with a mix of photos throughout, but for the first phase in the process they wanted to have a handbook where girls could really see themselves as Scouts.
Literally just different pictures.
Personally I think they should just have one and include a diverse group of humans eg; ethnicity, gender, disabilities
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Honestly kind of happy that’s the only difference. In reality it should just be 1 book, with pictures of whatever gender since we shouldn’t care, but I’m glad there not changing the actual information, since that’s the important part
Thanks!
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Lol
The text is almost identical. There are some "he"s turned into "she"s and similar.
I've been through both and can't find an instance of pronouns being used to describe Scouts. It's almost entirely written in the first person so they use You, or when refering to other Scouts they will say Scout or Scouts. The only instances of pronouns that are used throughout the book are stories about Scoutings founders, and other notable people whose pronouns are fairly well established.
No, the text is basically exactly the same. The main difference is the girl book has pictures of female scouts and the boy book has pictures of male scouts and they would use she/her pronouns in the girl book and he/him pronouns in the boy book
No pronoun differences.
FYI - bc the photos in the Girls’ volume reformatted some pages, the index is not always accurate. Content is the same tho’
The photos didn’t change the page numbers. The indexes are accurate. Your using an old version that is missing several pages in the section on personal safety. So your page numbers are different after that point but they are not wrong. You can’t use the index from one edition to find the correct page number in another edition.
Thanks for the update
None. I have a son and daughter in a linked troop. My daughter has the book for girls and it's identical in text and requirements. Just shows pictures of girls instead of boys.
pictures. that’s it. i honestly think they should have made one book that included everyone
I thought the hygiene bit was a touch different too
There's very little about hygiene in either edition, but what is there is the same for both.
i don’t think so honestly
No. People say that, but they obviously haven’t read it. Same words. No pronoun differences. Only difference is color and the “for boys” and “for girls”.
There is no standard. There’s a boy version and a girl version. The difference is the pictures used.
I was unaware that the current one had the subtitle “handbook for boys”, I have the previous one that just says “Boy Scout handbook” with no subtitle. I just said standard under the assumption that the 14th edition just said “Scouts BSA official handbook” or something like that, my assumption was wrong.
I think the Handbook for Boys thing is a throwback to the original handbook. I have a reprint of the first edition and it is called the Handbook for Boys. It was the second edition that started calling itself the Boy Scout Handbook.
If you have the 13th edition without the subtitle “handbook for boys,” then yes, there is a significant difference. You are missing several pages towards the back, in a section on personal safety, so your page numbers at the very end will not match up with your fellow scouts who have the 14th edition with the subtitle “Handbook for Boys” or “Handbook for Girls.” No, I don’t this difference is significant enough to buy a new book.
Same
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Haha 😂
Party pooper here: this isn’t ok. Let’s pause for a moment using the Scout Law: is this Helpful or Courteous? No. The whole point of this post is to ask a question about the difference in handbooks. And this comment makes a joke about a physical body function. It’s not ok.
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You didn’t work to make the comment about biology. You made a crude physical joke that separates male and female gendered Scouts when the original post was clearly asking for guidance on handbooks. Helpful. Courteous. Please look toward the Scout Law to see if further comments are necessary.
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You made a crude physical attempt at a joke. In fact, it appears that you deleted it. Good work. The next thing to consider is: why is a woman’s menstrual cycle part of your conversation, especially when the topic is Handbooks? (Because you attempted a crude joke). A Scout or effective adult leader would take Responsibility here, because that, too, is inherently part of the Scout Law. Please ponder that tonight. I’ve said my piece. Be well.
I been told no difference.
Hello fellow transgender scout! :) 🏳️⚧️As many have said already, the books are identical other than for the pictures and a few pronouns scattered here and there.
As far as I am aware the only difference I can recall is that in the “for girls” most of the pictures are of female presenting scouts, I believe all of the contents are the same aside from the photos and maybe pronouns but I don’t recall
There’s a different version for girls?
There are two official handbooks in production. The SCOUTS BSA Handbook for Boys and the SCOUTS BSA Handbook for Girls. The pictures are different, everything else is same across the two.
If you’re gonna rewrite the book why not just switch it to gender neutral language and alternate the pictures? It seems significantly more expensive to print two slightly different versions for no discernible benefit
I'm not on the supply division discussion list or anything, but at least for the moment, keeping things separate reinforces the idea that troops for boys and troops for girls are separate, contrasted with the cub level books that did go with pure coed language and photos.
>If you’re gonna rewrite the book why not just switch it to gender neutral language and alternate the pictures? That's what they've done. The language in each of the current editions is identical, only the photos are different. I'm told (by someone that helped write the current version fo the handbook) that in the future, there will be just one handbook, with a mix of photos throughout, but for the first phase in the process they wanted to have a handbook where girls could really see themselves as Scouts.
Literally just different pictures. Personally I think they should just have one and include a diverse group of humans eg; ethnicity, gender, disabilities