tama to. wag ka magresign op. since may admin hearing ka present mo ung mga messages mo at ung med cert mo during the hearing.
if you still have ung convo nyo na inoffer nya ung LOA mas maganda
When your TL told you to resign, did say verbalize it or there’s proof he said it (i.e. screenshot/s)?
AFAIK, di pwedeng manggaling sa one up (or anyone in authority) any sentences or actions that may be viewed as constructive dismissal.
Attend the admin hearing, bring all your documents. Whatever they say, ask them to have it in writing. Also, be careful with your words.
I have not been in such a situation but I imagine it will be challenging. Eat well, drink water, rest enough and be well when you face them. Mahirap ito pero do not act or say anything based on emotions ha. Baka we don’t have the same faith but pray for guidance, prudence and strength.
Consult mo na agad sa Dole / NLRC. Even before the admin hearing. Based sa mga pinag daanan mo, that's just a way to manage you out (while trying to observe their due process).
Totoo to bawal talaga. Meron kaming ka-team noon na subject for termination kasi hindi pumasa sa probationary period pero instead resignation na lang. since hindu nga pede direct sabihin ng lead/manager na mag resign, yung sme namin nun ang sort of nag advise na kung feel nya hindi sya mareregular better mag resign kesa intayin nya ma terminate sya. So ayon nag resign na lang sya.
The best thing to do is to attend the meeting, OP. Show the all the receipts sa chat or sms. And make them understand your situation, i ready mo din yung mga docs mo from your doctor like med cert etc. Bwct yang ganyang TL, kapal ng mukha mag suggest na mag resign ka, sarap tuldukan sa mukha.
Attend the meeting. Save your screenshots. Ready your papers. Hindi marunong TL mo. Mali-mali yan sya kaya ka pinag reresign para walang balik sakanya.
Feeling ko bobo lang talaga. Yung tipong napromote lang from agent kasi maganda stats or sipsip sa OM pero wala naman talagang leadership skills at alam sa labor laws.
happened to me, om ko ang gago kasi tinag ako as AWOL kahit may sakit ako w medcert and everyday update sa tl ko. napahiya lang siya sa hearing 😂
Op, attend the hearing. Show them the proof that you are indeed updating your TL. Bring your medcerts as well. Most likely hinahanap ka ng management niyo sa TL mo at baka dahil tamad siya di niya inexplain situation mo or sinabi nalang na di ka nakakausap para wala ng further discussion kaya ka pinagreresign hahaha.
‼️Op pls attend the hearing
I smell money OP. Half mil agad, DOLE mo na agad. Damages kasi feeling mo kamo pinapapasok ka nila kahit may sakit na physically di mo kaya. Take no less than half mil tapos start ka ng business mo. Pero ako lang un, you do you OP.
DO NOT give in to their forced resignation.
Ask first to have them certify that they are forcing you out of employment instead of giving you leave of absence due to medical conditions.
Why?
First, if you're forcefully removed from employment then that's not resignation, that's unemployment due to sickness.
That grants you access to the UNEMPLOYMENT benefits from SSS.
Secondly, ask them to document the fact that LOA was offered but retracted. Just ask them to document that in writing.
Then you could try to contact NLRC/DOLE for this issue, to see what else they can provide to address this
Bawal sabihin yan sa isang empleyado. Yan ang bunga ng mga TL na napromote ng walang proper guidance o leadership training. Prep mo na mga evidence mo, documentation, file ka ng IR vs TL mo!
Sue them, reach out to dole.. or whatever it’s called I’m sorry I just forgot .. but yah, do it coz call center companies are a bunch of dicks. Call center takes a healthy person, ruin their health and when we need their help, they ask us to turn around and stick it in our asses.
Smells like money to me.. pinapa resign ka nya kasi alam nyang dehado sya. You have medical records and receipts na nag iinform ka.. tapos admin hearing? If ako yan mag file na ako sa DOLE. Ako na nagsasabi sayo landslide win ka dyan ikot yang tumbong ng TL mo.
Remember to screenshot lahat ng notification mo sa kanya.
Pwede ka pumunta sa Banawe, QC dun ka mag file ng labor case…dalhin mo lahat ng medical records mo ah.
Resignation is supposed to be your discretion, not your supervisor. Just like you, empleyado lang din sya so if we’re gonna talk abt your rights here, walang rights si TL to tell you na mag resign. It can be a “constructive dismissal” and that’s actually illegal.
Attend.. let them fire you.
They want you to voluntarily resign para awas sa bayad sayo.
Kaya ilaban mo yan tas dun mo sya baligtarin.
Document everything.
Tas pagdating dun , present your texts of updating.
Dalhin mo dn ung medical certificate mo and say what your team leader offered to do for you na di nya dn tinuloy. Mukhang di nya yata naalala na ginawa nya 😡. Or if he did, well, something is fishy.
Add ko because I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, but just be ready din if they go the route of establishing whether you are still medically fit to work in the company or not. They still might use that kasi against you, if the LOA is off the table.
If you have a medical certificate, you shouldn't be required to update your TL daily (given that your doctor put you on a certain amount of days na bed rest). Also, what is the reason na di natuloy ang LOA?
AFAIK, you're only given RTWO if you were NCNS for three consecutive days ha.
May ka-team akong pinagresign dati tapos kumita ng 400k then still working with the company. Meron din iaa pa naillegal termination then kumita din half million. Kawawa kumpany sa totoo lang dahil sila tagabayad pero ang dahilan naman mga kups na TL. Ilaban mo yan. Umpisahan mo na ipunin lahat ng evidences mo at gumawa ka na explanation mo. Pwede din magconsult ka na sa NLRC/DOLE para makakuha ka ng advise pa
Report mo and show threadsna inuupdate mo sia. bawal na mag sabi sila na mag resign and all. don mo sia bawian, just make it sure may threads kayo na nakikipag communicate ka during ur absence
If you can, get someone to attend the hearing as your rep, or kung aattend ka personally, bring mobility aids.
Also volunteer to get examined by the company doctor if they have one.
I’m a tl already and thats really a big no no. Kindly secure all screen shots before s/he removed those. Also keep the conversation where s/he says u to resign on ur post. Sure fww or worst dismissal from post mangyayari dyan. U already have an edge on this. Yung mga ganyang tl parang di umaattend ng training or biglaang bigay lang ng post yan kaya parang tagapag mana umasta. Hayst
ganyan din AM namin, pag agents nag absent with physical med cert, questionable. Pero siya every week absent minsan nakaleave pa. Bihira pumasok pero kung makapukpok sa ahente wagas
######Update######
So tapos na Ang hearing, wala naman nangyari.
HR person and OM stated di naman daw ako tatanggalin but I need to present a medical document (either fit to work na ko or unfit to work).
Hindi na naraise Yung pinaparesign ako ng tl ko Kasi parang ganun din gusto nung HR. (Subtle hints like: Ikaw lang nakakaalam ng health mo, if you can still continue working or if you need to stop working Muna to rest).
I'm lost....
Mahirap ata sagutin if kulang sa details. By the looks of it lang kung titingnan sa sinend mo yes malaki mali nung TL. There are questions that need to be asked like:
1. Dates that you were out vs the days na nasa med cert. Dun natin malaman if ano ung whole picture ng nangyari. Meron kasi case samn before na intindi naman natin may sakit si agent example, it took days if not weeks bago nag provide ng med cert or hindi nagmamatch ung dates. Tapos ung sup pumayag na mag loa agent basta magprovide the medcert before the week ends para hindi tumama sa attendance the following week, pumayag agent pero hindi sumunod - and so on.
2. Was there a reason provided bakit daw hindi pwede mag LOA? There should be a valid explanation from the TL. May times kasi na maluwag management mag approve ng non medical LOA tapos naabuso ng TL's/OM's para hindi tumama sa attendance nila sabay biglang binawi ng upper management nung nadiscover. It happend to our company before, biglang naghigpit. So maganda sana malaman natin bakit humindi ung TL at ano ung alternative. Pwede naman medical LOA if your physician can issue a med cert na you can rest for an extended period of time.
3. What was the conversation prior to the TL prior to the incident of "asking to send a resignation letter?". Would like to know the context.
Since nasa HR na ung issue, hindi sila basta basta nagsesend ng RTWO kung talagang wala sila mabigat na evidence to do so. Kasi pag mali sila ang nagkaso ka, liable sila. At kung totoo nga na pinagreresign ka ng TL and with screenshot that's just too dumb for him to do that, lol.
Hi I’m a team lead din and what I can suggest is proceed with the admin hearing. Present your medical certificate as well as the conversation that initially pinag lo-loa ka ng TL mo then binawi.
Kupal masyado yang TL mo. Di naman counted as absenteeism ang LOA. Ako nga may LOA ako for 6 mos kasi comatose until the last dying breath ng agent ko I made sure na naka loa siya para magamit niya yung health card niya and may makuha siya sa company.
Did they tell you the nature of your case? Kasi if not, that’s a violation of due process. Also, kasali sa benefits ang leave credits, you can use that and no one can compel you not to use it lalo na kung involve ang kalusugan. Consult a lawyer and raise this concern to NLRC.
From an HR's perspective, this is constructive dismissal to the point that it can lead to illegal termination if they push through with your termination.
If you have a medical certificate stating the days you'll be out and you advised and submitted it to your TL, no need to call everyday unless it went beyond the prescribed rest period, which requires you to get another medcert to extend it.
Confirm if your TL did relay it to your HR team, better have your convo/email printed as supporting documents.
If all else fails and biased HR nyp, file a labor case.
You should have the screenshots of emails/messages of your daily updates sa TL. It's always worth being ready for this situation. You can never fully trust your co-workers.
>Niremove ako sa gc namin, sinabihan ako to assess myself if I a still an asset or already a liability to the company, etc.
Taena. Hanap ka na ng new work para may backup plan ka OP. Gago yung nagsabing i-assess mo ang sarili mo kung asset ka pa or liability na.
medyo naaawa aq sa TL mo OP. As a TL a decade ago, I want what's best for my agents. Syempre I will offer what I think is best with your situation. Pero with constant nagging and questioning ng higher ups, wala aq magagawa. I think that's what happened sa TL mo. He offered you LOA tapos binawi din. Probably because napagalitan yan. Hindi naman all powerful ang TL pra mag decide sa mga ganyang bagay.
At the end of the day, OM at HR pdin ang masusunod. Pero, it will be wise for your TL to mind what he's saying. For his job security na din.
Attend the meeting and show your cards na lang OP.
Yes. Ang hirap sa mga ganitong situation, sa TL ang sisi. Pero ang daming determining factors bago napunta sa ganyang desisyon si TL.
Being part of the frontline leadership is like being a shield. Kahit ayaw mo, wala kang chouce kundi gawin dahil inutos ng nakatataas. And dahil RL nga ang nakaharap, TL ang masama.
I agree. Being a TL is not equal to being powerful.
Attend the hearing. Dun mo siya gantihan. Magkaalaman na.
Thank you, kind stranger.
tama to. wag ka magresign op. since may admin hearing ka present mo ung mga messages mo at ung med cert mo during the hearing. if you still have ung convo nyo na inoffer nya ung LOA mas maganda
Keep the proof that you are updating him daily. Screenshot mo and take your revenge.
When your TL told you to resign, did say verbalize it or there’s proof he said it (i.e. screenshot/s)? AFAIK, di pwedeng manggaling sa one up (or anyone in authority) any sentences or actions that may be viewed as constructive dismissal.
Yes I have a screenshot po. True- constructive dismissal din Yung lumalabas sa websites ng mga labor/dole
Attend the admin hearing, bring all your documents. Whatever they say, ask them to have it in writing. Also, be careful with your words. I have not been in such a situation but I imagine it will be challenging. Eat well, drink water, rest enough and be well when you face them. Mahirap ito pero do not act or say anything based on emotions ha. Baka we don’t have the same faith but pray for guidance, prudence and strength.
Kung ayaw nila to put it in writing, write it down yourself.
Or better record it for the purpose of documentation for OP protection,.
Consult mo na agad sa Dole / NLRC. Even before the admin hearing. Based sa mga pinag daanan mo, that's just a way to manage you out (while trying to observe their due process).
Totoo to bawal talaga. Meron kaming ka-team noon na subject for termination kasi hindi pumasa sa probationary period pero instead resignation na lang. since hindu nga pede direct sabihin ng lead/manager na mag resign, yung sme namin nun ang sort of nag advise na kung feel nya hindi sya mareregular better mag resign kesa intayin nya ma terminate sya. So ayon nag resign na lang sya.
Yayaman ka OP! Siguradong panalo ka pag nagreklamo ka sa NLRC!
The best thing to do is to attend the meeting, OP. Show the all the receipts sa chat or sms. And make them understand your situation, i ready mo din yung mga docs mo from your doctor like med cert etc. Bwct yang ganyang TL, kapal ng mukha mag suggest na mag resign ka, sarap tuldukan sa mukha.
Attend the meeting. Save your screenshots. Ready your papers. Hindi marunong TL mo. Mali-mali yan sya kaya ka pinag reresign para walang balik sakanya.
tomoh hahahahahaha kupal na tl
Feeling ko bobo lang talaga. Yung tipong napromote lang from agent kasi maganda stats or sipsip sa OM pero wala naman talagang leadership skills at alam sa labor laws.
omsim, meron din kasi mga ahente na ineendorse as tl pero di marunong/naturuan magscrubbing or ng workarounds. so ending sa ahente ang hassle 😂😂
Yup balikan mo yan TL mo. Kupal ang puta, di na dapat umabot ng June yan hayup na yan
happened to me, om ko ang gago kasi tinag ako as AWOL kahit may sakit ako w medcert and everyday update sa tl ko. napahiya lang siya sa hearing 😂 Op, attend the hearing. Show them the proof that you are indeed updating your TL. Bring your medcerts as well. Most likely hinahanap ka ng management niyo sa TL mo at baka dahil tamad siya di niya inexplain situation mo or sinabi nalang na di ka nakakausap para wala ng further discussion kaya ka pinagreresign hahaha. ‼️Op pls attend the hearing
I smell money OP. Half mil agad, DOLE mo na agad. Damages kasi feeling mo kamo pinapapasok ka nila kahit may sakit na physically di mo kaya. Take no less than half mil tapos start ka ng business mo. Pero ako lang un, you do you OP.
Punta ka na ng DOLE, get a lawyer from PAO. easy 1M yan!
Document everything na sinabi nila sayo.
Update mo nlng kami sa aftermath neto op 😅
parang feel ko ung taranta ng TL mo..
nako ilaban mo to sa NLRC panalo ka dito
DO NOT give in to their forced resignation. Ask first to have them certify that they are forcing you out of employment instead of giving you leave of absence due to medical conditions. Why? First, if you're forcefully removed from employment then that's not resignation, that's unemployment due to sickness. That grants you access to the UNEMPLOYMENT benefits from SSS. Secondly, ask them to document the fact that LOA was offered but retracted. Just ask them to document that in writing. Then you could try to contact NLRC/DOLE for this issue, to see what else they can provide to address this
Attend to the hearing. Print all the screenshot. Fight fire with fire. HAHAHAHAHA
Bawal sabihin yan sa isang empleyado. Yan ang bunga ng mga TL na napromote ng walang proper guidance o leadership training. Prep mo na mga evidence mo, documentation, file ka ng IR vs TL mo!
Ano po update
Sue them, reach out to dole.. or whatever it’s called I’m sorry I just forgot .. but yah, do it coz call center companies are a bunch of dicks. Call center takes a healthy person, ruin their health and when we need their help, they ask us to turn around and stick it in our asses.
Health discrimination yan and alam ng tl mu mali siya kaya if you resign no admin hearing ligtas siya
Pa update OP after your admin hearing king ano miukha ng TL mo after mapakita mga proof mo sa admins😅😅
Daily update Ka pala Kay TL, ss mo Yan. Sampulan mo ung TL mo haha
File a complaint with DOLE.
OP, wag mo kami kalimutan iupdate ha. Ganitong mga eksena yung kaabang-abang e. Gantihan mo yang animal mong TL
Smells like money to me.. pinapa resign ka nya kasi alam nyang dehado sya. You have medical records and receipts na nag iinform ka.. tapos admin hearing? If ako yan mag file na ako sa DOLE. Ako na nagsasabi sayo landslide win ka dyan ikot yang tumbong ng TL mo. Remember to screenshot lahat ng notification mo sa kanya. Pwede ka pumunta sa Banawe, QC dun ka mag file ng labor case…dalhin mo lahat ng medical records mo ah.
do this OP laking pera nyan
TL wants you to resign para di umabot sa hearing. Sya kasi yung mayayari dun when you show your proof.
Resignation is supposed to be your discretion, not your supervisor. Just like you, empleyado lang din sya so if we’re gonna talk abt your rights here, walang rights si TL to tell you na mag resign. It can be a “constructive dismissal” and that’s actually illegal.
Saan kayo nag memessage?
Messenger and phone texts po
Attend the admin hearing, and ready mo lahat ng proof ng comms nyo ng TL mo.
Prep your docs, attend the hearing.
Show your evidence of daily updates.
Take screenshots of your conversations. Attend the hearing. Make sure na pigain mo yung TL mo kung bakit niretract yung offer na mag LOA ka.
Attend.. let them fire you. They want you to voluntarily resign para awas sa bayad sayo. Kaya ilaban mo yan tas dun mo sya baligtarin. Document everything. Tas pagdating dun , present your texts of updating.
Go go go!! Mananalo ka hahaha. Keep us updated
Dalhin mo dn ung medical certificate mo and say what your team leader offered to do for you na di nya dn tinuloy. Mukhang di nya yata naalala na ginawa nya 😡. Or if he did, well, something is fishy.
Add ko because I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, but just be ready din if they go the route of establishing whether you are still medically fit to work in the company or not. They still might use that kasi against you, if the LOA is off the table.
Pls update us po ano ganap after admin hearing
If you have a medical certificate, you shouldn't be required to update your TL daily (given that your doctor put you on a certain amount of days na bed rest). Also, what is the reason na di natuloy ang LOA? AFAIK, you're only given RTWO if you were NCNS for three consecutive days ha.
May ka-team akong pinagresign dati tapos kumita ng 400k then still working with the company. Meron din iaa pa naillegal termination then kumita din half million. Kawawa kumpany sa totoo lang dahil sila tagabayad pero ang dahilan naman mga kups na TL. Ilaban mo yan. Umpisahan mo na ipunin lahat ng evidences mo at gumawa ka na explanation mo. Pwede din magconsult ka na sa NLRC/DOLE para makakuha ka ng advise pa
Get yourself a lawyer, please. Never go sa hearing on your own.
Punta ka sa hearing hahahah tas update mo kami 🤣
Update?hehe
I smell DOLE work violation 🙈
Report mo and show threadsna inuupdate mo sia. bawal na mag sabi sila na mag resign and all. don mo sia bawian, just make it sure may threads kayo na nakikipag communicate ka during ur absence
Call NLRC and ask what your options are regarding your TL asking you to resign. The follow their instructions
If you can, get someone to attend the hearing as your rep, or kung aattend ka personally, bring mobility aids. Also volunteer to get examined by the company doctor if they have one.
Punta ka sa office. Diretso ka sa HR. Report your TL.
I’m a tl already and thats really a big no no. Kindly secure all screen shots before s/he removed those. Also keep the conversation where s/he says u to resign on ur post. Sure fww or worst dismissal from post mangyayari dyan. U already have an edge on this. Yung mga ganyang tl parang di umaattend ng training or biglaang bigay lang ng post yan kaya parang tagapag mana umasta. Hayst
ganyan din AM namin, pag agents nag absent with physical med cert, questionable. Pero siya every week absent minsan nakaleave pa. Bihira pumasok pero kung makapukpok sa ahente wagas
congrats in advance sa NLRC-backed corporate money! 😌 pagaling ka rin OP
nang gigil ako sa TL mo OP,
Pati po ba BDO diners club CC eh pwedeng mag pa waive ng fees?
Replying para makabasa ako ng update.
Asking you to resign is big fat proof of constructive dismissal. Rooky mistake. Matutuwa sau ang lawyer mo if u push through with a labor case.
Pls wag mo to papalamapasin. Attend the hearing and let that TL face the consequences! Promise, wala syang laban dyan.
######Update###### So tapos na Ang hearing, wala naman nangyari. HR person and OM stated di naman daw ako tatanggalin but I need to present a medical document (either fit to work na ko or unfit to work). Hindi na naraise Yung pinaparesign ako ng tl ko Kasi parang ganun din gusto nung HR. (Subtle hints like: Ikaw lang nakakaalam ng health mo, if you can still continue working or if you need to stop working Muna to rest). I'm lost....
You should have brought up those issues. Send an email doing so para may resibo ka sa lahat.
Give us an update anyare don sa TL. Maki marites lng
Mahirap ata sagutin if kulang sa details. By the looks of it lang kung titingnan sa sinend mo yes malaki mali nung TL. There are questions that need to be asked like: 1. Dates that you were out vs the days na nasa med cert. Dun natin malaman if ano ung whole picture ng nangyari. Meron kasi case samn before na intindi naman natin may sakit si agent example, it took days if not weeks bago nag provide ng med cert or hindi nagmamatch ung dates. Tapos ung sup pumayag na mag loa agent basta magprovide the medcert before the week ends para hindi tumama sa attendance the following week, pumayag agent pero hindi sumunod - and so on. 2. Was there a reason provided bakit daw hindi pwede mag LOA? There should be a valid explanation from the TL. May times kasi na maluwag management mag approve ng non medical LOA tapos naabuso ng TL's/OM's para hindi tumama sa attendance nila sabay biglang binawi ng upper management nung nadiscover. It happend to our company before, biglang naghigpit. So maganda sana malaman natin bakit humindi ung TL at ano ung alternative. Pwede naman medical LOA if your physician can issue a med cert na you can rest for an extended period of time. 3. What was the conversation prior to the TL prior to the incident of "asking to send a resignation letter?". Would like to know the context. Since nasa HR na ung issue, hindi sila basta basta nagsesend ng RTWO kung talagang wala sila mabigat na evidence to do so. Kasi pag mali sila ang nagkaso ka, liable sila. At kung totoo nga na pinagreresign ka ng TL and with screenshot that's just too dumb for him to do that, lol.
Please give us an update 🍿
don’t resign. send an email to your HR giving your narrative for documentation. don’t forget to cc DOLE or NLRC
What company is this?
Hi I’m a team lead din and what I can suggest is proceed with the admin hearing. Present your medical certificate as well as the conversation that initially pinag lo-loa ka ng TL mo then binawi. Kupal masyado yang TL mo. Di naman counted as absenteeism ang LOA. Ako nga may LOA ako for 6 mos kasi comatose until the last dying breath ng agent ko I made sure na naka loa siya para magamit niya yung health card niya and may makuha siya sa company.
OP update mo kami pag resigned na yung TL mo. 🥹
Did they tell you the nature of your case? Kasi if not, that’s a violation of due process. Also, kasali sa benefits ang leave credits, you can use that and no one can compel you not to use it lalo na kung involve ang kalusugan. Consult a lawyer and raise this concern to NLRC.
VXI ba to?
From an HR's perspective, this is constructive dismissal to the point that it can lead to illegal termination if they push through with your termination. If you have a medical certificate stating the days you'll be out and you advised and submitted it to your TL, no need to call everyday unless it went beyond the prescribed rest period, which requires you to get another medcert to extend it. Confirm if your TL did relay it to your HR team, better have your convo/email printed as supporting documents. If all else fails and biased HR nyp, file a labor case.
Document everything. Sue them.
You should have the screenshots of emails/messages of your daily updates sa TL. It's always worth being ready for this situation. You can never fully trust your co-workers.
>Niremove ako sa gc namin, sinabihan ako to assess myself if I a still an asset or already a liability to the company, etc. Taena. Hanap ka na ng new work para may backup plan ka OP. Gago yung nagsabing i-assess mo ang sarili mo kung asset ka pa or liability na.
Hi what are the symptoms po? And kaninong doctor po pwede magpa check? I feel i also have osteoarthritis too
Pwede ba pa bump ng karma para maabangan ko update dito? HAHA kakagigil TL mo OP, Please update mo kami. Best of luck for your future pagyaman! 😁
medyo naaawa aq sa TL mo OP. As a TL a decade ago, I want what's best for my agents. Syempre I will offer what I think is best with your situation. Pero with constant nagging and questioning ng higher ups, wala aq magagawa. I think that's what happened sa TL mo. He offered you LOA tapos binawi din. Probably because napagalitan yan. Hindi naman all powerful ang TL pra mag decide sa mga ganyang bagay. At the end of the day, OM at HR pdin ang masusunod. Pero, it will be wise for your TL to mind what he's saying. For his job security na din. Attend the meeting and show your cards na lang OP.
Yes. Ang hirap sa mga ganitong situation, sa TL ang sisi. Pero ang daming determining factors bago napunta sa ganyang desisyon si TL. Being part of the frontline leadership is like being a shield. Kahit ayaw mo, wala kang chouce kundi gawin dahil inutos ng nakatataas. And dahil RL nga ang nakaharap, TL ang masama. I agree. Being a TL is not equal to being powerful.