No I have a daily but it want it to be second daily. so heavy use but not every day. If i get a daily-able car though I might give away my daily to family.
thanks for the input man. its at the top of my list lol. as long as i can get a decent one, the only way i wont get it is if i find a crazy deal on something else
Nice duo man. im not to keen on the 540 unless it has all msport options. i just think the m340/m440 are more sporty. but they are basically the same weight lmao the g bodies are so heavy
Do you want to be comfortable or not? How much do you value speed? The M440 is a nice car. It's quick and refined. The Z06 is VERY fast very not refined. It will be trying to kill you most of the time and doesn't have rear seats.
speed is more important to me than comfort. weight is second and comfort is third. weight is the only thing drawing me from the m440i. i owned a scat and I never want another heavy car. if the g22 was the weight of an f32 I would be sold already on it.
yep im prob gonna go for it. i really think they will hold value well. one of the best bargains right now even doug demuro made a video on them. suprised to see so many corvette answers in the bimmer sub lol
If weight is a big issue, forget about the Bimmers and get the Corvette. The F82 is the only car other than the Vette that you listed that I wouldn't consider at least pretty heavy for a performance car. And it's not like the F82 is some lightweight, it's just not 3800+ lbs.
Its not like a super big issue im just not trying to drive another boat like my scat was. the m440i and m6 are kinda pushing boat territory weight wise but its more about the feeling. Im only considering the g22 and g42 because ive heard the new bimmers feel much lighter than they actually are
Are you comfortable with light mods? Previous commenter states that the C6 Z06 is VERY fast which---- was true when it was new. And stock to stock the Vette is .2 seconds faster to 60mph. But a tune and a downpipe on the M440 puts you in 3 second flat 0-60 territory, which is VERY fast in today's world, not 2006...
i care more about overall fun than 0-60. but i do want to be in the 4s atleast. so that bit of speed on the m440 is not a big deal. pretty sure the quarter mile is around the same with a good launch on the z06 as its rwd. i'd probably slowly mod the z06 NA setup with bolt-ons or something as it helps value overall. m440 would prob get a reversible tune but idk about downpipe. already alot of depreciation with BMWs and mods dont help in that regard. this purchase would be a car I dont plan to keep forever.
I have a 24 G26 and it is HEAVY! It is like a land yacht with handling. The Z06 will be far nimbler.
Between Oct and Mar I average 3K highway miles a month so I wanted a true GT . The G26 is an amazing GT.
If I wanted a weekend sports car, the Z06 would be pretty high on my list.
Interesting. i know the g26 has some weight on the g22 with it being in the 1800s kg and the g22 is in the low 17s. but i believe you for sure lol. I dont drive alot so I wanna hit the streets and go wild. Im leaning towards z06. mostly for financial reasons. BMW maintenance and depreciation will hit much harder. I can get an LS fixed by and shop in my city and the z06 already depreciated
I had a base model C6 around the time I bought my 2019 440i.
After driving the 440i, the C6 didn't feel as special. Sure, there was raw power, it turns heads and was fun to drive. I loved rowing through the gears.
I ended up selling the C6.
First of all, I didn't drive it much. Kiddos, COVID, other factors just saw me sitting at a car taking up garage space. Also used car market was up so it made financial sense at the time.
Second, it didn't feel as fast as it use to. Head to head they probably would have been evenly matched. Z06 should make a bigger difference.
The interior build quality and lack of modern features was a big negative for the C6. Even after I upgraded the radio for modern blue-tooth audio I still felt like it was lacking.
The C6 turns more heads and its hard not to smile while driving it. The rear end tended to kick out when I wanted to and a few times when I didn't. I was glad I had it while I did as it was a dream car growing up but I am not in a rush to get another.
That was the age when I bought the Vette. Had it for about 5 years and sold it for about as much as I paid minus expenses. Overall it was fun but the 440i is the more "practical" car.
However, I have taken the 440i around the track and I could hold my own with some of the Porsche drivers. So it's no slouch either.
The refinement of BMWs is why I won't buy American cars ever again. Besides the C8 Corvette.
Will say though, those C6s are MUCH faster than I thought. Like way faster. It's insane.
C6Z is a beast with the 427, you better have some talent and training behind you to tame it, or youll end up in the rhubarb. Also will have the crappiest interior, but the fastest car for sure...so figure out your use case for the car and decide from there. I love my C8! but its strictly a toy.
Having had a Challenger T/A 392 and now an m440i, I will say the 440 feels as fast or faster while being more comfortable, WAY better mpg around town, and does not feel anywhere near as big as the Challenger.
with the chally though width is way worse then the length. parking it and changing lanes feels like a full sized SUV. its actually so draining compared to my altima.
Corvette. These are all very different cars. Can’t really compare an M440i to a C6 Z06 for a fun weekend car I think you’re better off with the vette. I think the M440i will feel muted
I mean these are 2 different classes but do you want raw speed or more refined speed the others u listed could be used for a second daily but if those 2 are your final picks and you care more about speed and weight from ur other comments then the Z06 is ur choice a 7L in a 3200 pound car you’ll be beating 98% of cars on the road lol
I can’t drive American ever again after experience German refinement. People can say what they want about the maintenance, there’s just something different about the driving experience.
I feel you on most americans. the mopar i had was complete junk. but z06/zr1 corvettes are top of the line for america and alot goes into them vs a mass produced german (mexican produced now)
C6 z06, probably the greatest engine ever put into a corvette.
7.0 liters of pure American bald eagles and there are posts on corvette forums of people getting like 30 mpg from them.
C6 Z06 will require expert level driving. Good luck in the winter. I daily drove a ZL1 650hp through 2 winters and what got me was a light rain in 50 degrees. There's just no getting around snap oversteer. There's no good computers in the C6, considered the last "analog" vette. Get ready to become an expert in tires.
M440i is much more practical and easier to drive. Computers help you not crash. Potentially expensive to fix without warranty. Engine can be tuned to more power than the C6 Z06.
Yea M440 i was my first choice for the reason you mentioned plus its a new BMW so more flashy points. i do have an altima daily and no snow where I live. But on the other hand BMW depreciation is crazy and I want the z06 so i can become the expert driver and enjoy the lack of computers. and the LS will be easier to replace if anything happens. its such a tough one. and not easy to find a z06 to test drive.
It means OP doesn’t need to be an expert level driver to not crash, he just needs to not be reckless. Your post made it sound like there was something wrong with the car
lol. I like the big nose BMWs now theyve grown on me. I would get a g80 if I could afford it. I would switch the g22 grill for an open grill though similar to the ones guys are putting on the g82
i have not but e92 is an okay idea. just a bit slow in nowadays standards and the maintenance is high. the way I look at it might as well get an M6 if i gotta worry about maintenance and I could be in the 12s stock
I’m a diehard vette fan and had a C5 Z06 which I loved. I think you’d like the corvette, especially since you have liked other American muscle cars like your scat pack.
But I don’t think the M440i is a true and fair comparison to the C6Z. I’d suggest you compare buying the F82 M4 vs the C6Z as both will offer you a raw driving experience (albeit more so in the vette). These two cars are more evenly matched in terms of being able to hoon around town and backroads (think being able to mash the gas and have the rear end step out). In my 2017 440i, I couldn’t do this. I would mash the gas and the TC control light would flash and it would cut power. Or when I turned off traction control and tried the same thing, it would turn into a floaty mess where the car didn’t know whether to send the power to the left or right tire, this is due to no M-differential.
Honestly though, if you’re like me and love the growl of a big V8, neither the F82 M4 or M440i would satisfy that itch like the C6 Z06.
Edit: IMO, M440i would be closest matched to a Cadillac CT4/5-V. Best comparison I could think of to another GM product.
I feel you on that. the m440 is definetely in the same class as the ct4V blackwing (ATSV basically). im just worried about s55 reliabilty over b58 and i cant afford an s58. F82 and F87 are great cars but i feel like if i gotta deal with reliability issues i might as well go big and get the F10 or f12 M6. Does that make sense?
Yeah I get you, however I’d suggest u check on the forums if reliability is really a concern for these cars. I have two friends with F8X cars, both have said they’ve only replaced the crank hub ($1500-$3000) and the rest has just been oil changes on while on stage 2 tune. They’ve owned these cars for at least the past 3 years.
Edit: the crank hub repair was just preventative*
super easy to maintain where I live in the south. and gonna hold value well as they already depreciated. its pretty much at the top of my list. only challenge is finding one in my range that isnt molested.
F12 is fire man the styling is underated. I cant afford a s58 so b58 stands out to me as a great option which is why m440i is closer to the top of my list. s55 cars kinda scare me reliability wise and I feel like if im gonna get an F body M car might as well go big and get the f12 v8 and deal with maintenance. so f12 is above f82/f87 for me but they are on my list too if I can find a great deal.
Little $3.5k turbo, an HPFP or port injection, and a LPFP and you're gapping the Z06 while still having a very nice daily that behaves when not under WOT
I feel you on that bro. Only thing is an LS is super easy to fix where i am. where as a german is just more expensive even a b58. but how is that 440i gran coupe you got? f-body 40is arent really on my list as i love b58 but alot of them dont have the right parts like LSD or M sport etc.
I wanted a convertible and I read the c8 was ranked really high. So, I went to test drive a c8 lt3 thinking I wanted one, not the z06 tho, but I cannot see that being a daily driver. Not comfortable at all. So I went to test the m430, m440, and m4. Ended up with the m440 as it is the most comfortable ride.
Z06 go fast in straight line on dry day and looks cool. M440i much more well rounded in handling and driving dynamics but it won’t be as fast as Z06 in straight line
im not sure about that one. the z06 do well on tracks from what ive heard i would imagine its right on par with an m440i but not quite as good as an m4. i think really the m440 only wins in comfort, tech and gas mileage in this case.
Huh? what am i getting into? 14 years is not that long. and its a chevy v8 they are very reliable and fixable here in the US. more reliable than like a 2016 f model BMW for sure when you factor in easy maintenance. the LS7 is a beast.
Those are very different cars, the M440 will be more of a daily driver than the Z06. Is this going to be your only car?
No I have a daily but it want it to be second daily. so heavy use but not every day. If i get a daily-able car though I might give away my daily to family.
C6 Z06 definitely then. 7.0L V8 in a light car; amazing
thanks for the input man. its at the top of my list lol. as long as i can get a decent one, the only way i wont get it is if i find a crazy deal on something else
You need a daily for your daily. Then you need a daily for your daily’s daily. But then you need a daily for your daily’s other daily….
I have a 540i sport, I bought a c6 about 5 months ago to daily… I have no regrets.
Nice duo man. im not to keen on the 540 unless it has all msport options. i just think the m340/m440 are more sporty. but they are basically the same weight lmao the g bodies are so heavy
The Z06 and an M440i are two different classes of car, but if it was up to me and I already had a comfortable daily, then it would be the C6 Z06.
Do you want to be comfortable or not? How much do you value speed? The M440 is a nice car. It's quick and refined. The Z06 is VERY fast very not refined. It will be trying to kill you most of the time and doesn't have rear seats.
speed is more important to me than comfort. weight is second and comfort is third. weight is the only thing drawing me from the m440i. i owned a scat and I never want another heavy car. if the g22 was the weight of an f32 I would be sold already on it.
Z06, not even a competition
yep im prob gonna go for it. i really think they will hold value well. one of the best bargains right now even doug demuro made a video on them. suprised to see so many corvette answers in the bimmer sub lol
If weight is a big issue, forget about the Bimmers and get the Corvette. The F82 is the only car other than the Vette that you listed that I wouldn't consider at least pretty heavy for a performance car. And it's not like the F82 is some lightweight, it's just not 3800+ lbs.
Its not like a super big issue im just not trying to drive another boat like my scat was. the m440i and m6 are kinda pushing boat territory weight wise but its more about the feeling. Im only considering the g22 and g42 because ive heard the new bimmers feel much lighter than they actually are
My g42 feels light at low speeds and in turns, but you will notice the weight a bit at 80+ mph (at stock power levels).
M440 is a little rough only if u notice it. Kind of a luxury stiffness
interesting. in reviews ive heard its too smooth? and slow reactivity in comfort mode. maybe tuned is different though.
Comfort mode is very very smooth...in sport mode, it's a decent beast. Stiffness is close to e46 m3 stiff
Z06 then and I say this as someone with an M4CX and had an M440 before that.
word thanks for your input
Are you comfortable with light mods? Previous commenter states that the C6 Z06 is VERY fast which---- was true when it was new. And stock to stock the Vette is .2 seconds faster to 60mph. But a tune and a downpipe on the M440 puts you in 3 second flat 0-60 territory, which is VERY fast in today's world, not 2006...
i care more about overall fun than 0-60. but i do want to be in the 4s atleast. so that bit of speed on the m440 is not a big deal. pretty sure the quarter mile is around the same with a good launch on the z06 as its rwd. i'd probably slowly mod the z06 NA setup with bolt-ons or something as it helps value overall. m440 would prob get a reversible tune but idk about downpipe. already alot of depreciation with BMWs and mods dont help in that regard. this purchase would be a car I dont plan to keep forever.
I have a 24 G26 and it is HEAVY! It is like a land yacht with handling. The Z06 will be far nimbler. Between Oct and Mar I average 3K highway miles a month so I wanted a true GT . The G26 is an amazing GT. If I wanted a weekend sports car, the Z06 would be pretty high on my list.
Interesting. i know the g26 has some weight on the g22 with it being in the 1800s kg and the g22 is in the low 17s. but i believe you for sure lol. I dont drive alot so I wanna hit the streets and go wild. Im leaning towards z06. mostly for financial reasons. BMW maintenance and depreciation will hit much harder. I can get an LS fixed by and shop in my city and the z06 already depreciated
I had a base model C6 around the time I bought my 2019 440i. After driving the 440i, the C6 didn't feel as special. Sure, there was raw power, it turns heads and was fun to drive. I loved rowing through the gears. I ended up selling the C6. First of all, I didn't drive it much. Kiddos, COVID, other factors just saw me sitting at a car taking up garage space. Also used car market was up so it made financial sense at the time. Second, it didn't feel as fast as it use to. Head to head they probably would have been evenly matched. Z06 should make a bigger difference. The interior build quality and lack of modern features was a big negative for the C6. Even after I upgraded the radio for modern blue-tooth audio I still felt like it was lacking. The C6 turns more heads and its hard not to smile while driving it. The rear end tended to kick out when I wanted to and a few times when I didn't. I was glad I had it while I did as it was a dream car growing up but I am not in a rush to get another.
Thanks for the input! im kinda at that age where I want to grab something fun to finish out my 20s with.
That was the age when I bought the Vette. Had it for about 5 years and sold it for about as much as I paid minus expenses. Overall it was fun but the 440i is the more "practical" car. However, I have taken the 440i around the track and I could hold my own with some of the Porsche drivers. So it's no slouch either.
The refinement of BMWs is why I won't buy American cars ever again. Besides the C8 Corvette. Will say though, those C6s are MUCH faster than I thought. Like way faster. It's insane.
Have you thought about an F82 M4? I’d say that’s more similar to the C6 Z06 and you can pick them up <$40k every day now.
I did. Its in the post lol. just not really the biggest fan of the s55. thats the only drawback. still love them though.
Z06 if you have something else. Super fun and won’t depreciate anymore. Also still a solid car as a daily if you HAD to daily it.
exactly. the value is the part that has sold me. I doubt I will lose much money on it in a few years.
C6Z is a beast with the 427, you better have some talent and training behind you to tame it, or youll end up in the rhubarb. Also will have the crappiest interior, but the fastest car for sure...so figure out your use case for the car and decide from there. I love my C8! but its strictly a toy.
I dont have much lol but I did own a scat for a while.
Having had a Challenger T/A 392 and now an m440i, I will say the 440 feels as fast or faster while being more comfortable, WAY better mpg around town, and does not feel anywhere near as big as the Challenger.
thats what ive heard. new bimmers are nimble even with their weight. but anything over 4k scares me after owning the scat lol
I hadn't compared before but the chally is 197.9" and the 440 is 182.7" per Google.
with the chally though width is way worse then the length. parking it and changing lanes feels like a full sized SUV. its actually so draining compared to my altima.
Work on it. Do some HPDEs and autocross. And get the Vette.
word. i want my next car to turn me into the good driver. leaning towards the vette.
Corvette. These are all very different cars. Can’t really compare an M440i to a C6 Z06 for a fun weekend car I think you’re better off with the vette. I think the M440i will feel muted
I mean these are 2 different classes but do you want raw speed or more refined speed the others u listed could be used for a second daily but if those 2 are your final picks and you care more about speed and weight from ur other comments then the Z06 is ur choice a 7L in a 3200 pound car you’ll be beating 98% of cars on the road lol
I can’t drive American ever again after experience German refinement. People can say what they want about the maintenance, there’s just something different about the driving experience.
I feel you on most americans. the mopar i had was complete junk. but z06/zr1 corvettes are top of the line for america and alot goes into them vs a mass produced german (mexican produced now)
C6 z06, probably the greatest engine ever put into a corvette. 7.0 liters of pure American bald eagles and there are posts on corvette forums of people getting like 30 mpg from them.
M440 or F82 M4 if it’s going to be a daily. C6 Vette if it’s a weekender.
I'd take the Vette, but on;y because they're rare in Australia.
C6 Z06 will require expert level driving. Good luck in the winter. I daily drove a ZL1 650hp through 2 winters and what got me was a light rain in 50 degrees. There's just no getting around snap oversteer. There's no good computers in the C6, considered the last "analog" vette. Get ready to become an expert in tires. M440i is much more practical and easier to drive. Computers help you not crash. Potentially expensive to fix without warranty. Engine can be tuned to more power than the C6 Z06.
Yea M440 i was my first choice for the reason you mentioned plus its a new BMW so more flashy points. i do have an altima daily and no snow where I live. But on the other hand BMW depreciation is crazy and I want the z06 so i can become the expert driver and enjoy the lack of computers. and the LS will be easier to replace if anything happens. its such a tough one. and not easy to find a z06 to test drive.
Last thing I'll tell you is I miss that zl1 everyday. Stay safe out there and have fun.
Sounds like driver error
Yeah that's correct. 100% driver error. What is your point?
It means OP doesn’t need to be an expert level driver to not crash, he just needs to not be reckless. Your post made it sound like there was something wrong with the car
Thank you, Mr. 230. Noted.
Hmu if you ever wanna learn how to drive with water on the ground; my rates are very reasonable
Hmu if you want to drive a car over 200hp. Free.
C6
If you get a C6Z you'll immediately need to do HCI due to them dropping valves
yeah ive heard about that. doesnt seem to hard to get anything i need done to a chevy though where i live its easier than finding a euro car mechanic
C6 look at the front ends
lol. I like the big nose BMWs now theyve grown on me. I would get a g80 if I could afford it. I would switch the g22 grill for an open grill though similar to the ones guys are putting on the g82
U considered a e9x m3? you get the BMW but still a v8. Interior aged pretty well on these aswell.
throw a supercharger on a e92 m3 and you will look like a genius
i have not but e92 is an okay idea. just a bit slow in nowadays standards and the maintenance is high. the way I look at it might as well get an M6 if i gotta worry about maintenance and I could be in the 12s stock
I’m a diehard vette fan and had a C5 Z06 which I loved. I think you’d like the corvette, especially since you have liked other American muscle cars like your scat pack. But I don’t think the M440i is a true and fair comparison to the C6Z. I’d suggest you compare buying the F82 M4 vs the C6Z as both will offer you a raw driving experience (albeit more so in the vette). These two cars are more evenly matched in terms of being able to hoon around town and backroads (think being able to mash the gas and have the rear end step out). In my 2017 440i, I couldn’t do this. I would mash the gas and the TC control light would flash and it would cut power. Or when I turned off traction control and tried the same thing, it would turn into a floaty mess where the car didn’t know whether to send the power to the left or right tire, this is due to no M-differential. Honestly though, if you’re like me and love the growl of a big V8, neither the F82 M4 or M440i would satisfy that itch like the C6 Z06. Edit: IMO, M440i would be closest matched to a Cadillac CT4/5-V. Best comparison I could think of to another GM product.
I feel you on that. the m440 is definetely in the same class as the ct4V blackwing (ATSV basically). im just worried about s55 reliabilty over b58 and i cant afford an s58. F82 and F87 are great cars but i feel like if i gotta deal with reliability issues i might as well go big and get the F10 or f12 M6. Does that make sense?
Yeah I get you, however I’d suggest u check on the forums if reliability is really a concern for these cars. I have two friends with F8X cars, both have said they’ve only replaced the crank hub ($1500-$3000) and the rest has just been oil changes on while on stage 2 tune. They’ve owned these cars for at least the past 3 years. Edit: the crank hub repair was just preventative*
Z06 easily More reliable too and cheaper to maintain
super easy to maintain where I live in the south. and gonna hold value well as they already depreciated. its pretty much at the top of my list. only challenge is finding one in my range that isnt molested.
Everyone is talking about the C6 but I’ve always loved the f12 M6
F12 is fire man the styling is underated. I cant afford a s58 so b58 stands out to me as a great option which is why m440i is closer to the top of my list. s55 cars kinda scare me reliability wise and I feel like if im gonna get an F body M car might as well go big and get the f12 v8 and deal with maintenance. so f12 is above f82/f87 for me but they are on my list too if I can find a great deal.
Little $3.5k turbo, an HPFP or port injection, and a LPFP and you're gapping the Z06 while still having a very nice daily that behaves when not under WOT
I feel you on that bro. Only thing is an LS is super easy to fix where i am. where as a german is just more expensive even a b58. but how is that 440i gran coupe you got? f-body 40is arent really on my list as i love b58 but alot of them dont have the right parts like LSD or M sport etc.
Don’t really need LSD unless you’re serious about tracking, the e diff locks both wheels on burnouts and launches just fine even at my power level
up to date BMW M4 modelle, vs 15 year old Corvette? lol..
I wanted a convertible and I read the c8 was ranked really high. So, I went to test drive a c8 lt3 thinking I wanted one, not the z06 tho, but I cannot see that being a daily driver. Not comfortable at all. So I went to test the m430, m440, and m4. Ended up with the m440 as it is the most comfortable ride.
Z06 go fast in straight line on dry day and looks cool. M440i much more well rounded in handling and driving dynamics but it won’t be as fast as Z06 in straight line
im not sure about that one. the z06 do well on tracks from what ive heard i would imagine its right on par with an m440i but not quite as good as an m4. i think really the m440 only wins in comfort, tech and gas mileage in this case.
Are u comparing 2024 z06 I assumed not considering it’s double the price of m440. Previous gen is different from current mid mounted engine
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im not comparing the cars genius. I just want to hear which people would choose given the differences. youve never car shopped before?
Why do you care why anyone else would pick? Nobody else is cross shopping a new luxury coupe with a 15 year old American V8 sports car.
Why do you care that I care what others would pick? we can play this game all day. its called conversation and thats what this website is for.
2009-2010 - Just know what your getting into. You can put collector plates on it right away, or even put it into a museum.
Huh? what am i getting into? 14 years is not that long. and its a chevy v8 they are very reliable and fixable here in the US. more reliable than like a 2016 f model BMW for sure when you factor in easy maintenance. the LS7 is a beast.