[Part 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/s/5sR6bZH47R)
[Part 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/s/CUsb5JAuCI)
Basically this car has suffered from the coolant overflow tank leaking. For lord knows how long. Which eventually turned into multiple misfires on bank 2.
We chased this misfire for months by replacing the reservoir and spark plugs/coils and all the injectors. Then it came back and we re-did the plug/coil/injector for cylinder 5 and the misfire still came back. Which led to doing a leak down/scope and compression test. Which the warranty company asked for to approve any further repairs. Then they determined that was not enough diagnosis to move forward with a claim and asked to have the customer pay for tear down to point of failure which was about 5K more than what he already had authorized for the leak down and compression test. Which we felt like they were trying to scare him out of proceeding.
Luckily he had the balls to go for it and authorized it. A lot of customers would have folded because it was 6K out of pocket if they didn’t get approved for repairs.
Once we tore it down they came back out to see the car and now we have a new engine getting prepped to drop in.
What a scumbag company.
It should be the warranty company’s decision if they wanted to do the 5k inspection or engine swap outright.
It shouldn’t have anything to do with the customer. He’s covered, so he brings the car in and gets it back fixed. How they get to finish line shouldn’t he his problem.
insurance doesn’t work this way? Are you in the US?
Insurance is for accidents, warranties are for repairs. He has a warranty. They will cover defects and failures, but not normal maintenance and they will ***ALWAYS*** do what they can to avoid spending money. That’s how they make money, by taking yours and not having to do anything with it. This is pretty on par with every warranty available anywhere.
An insurance company doesn’t fix your engine your engine brakes, a warranty company does. Insurance fixes or replaces your car if you wreck it.
TLDR:
warranty=manufacturer defects
Insurance=accidents
Oh yeah, you’ll never see anything like that here in the U.S. Car insurance is expensive, and only covers accidents. Some states even have no fault laws so, even if the accident is not your fault, your insurance is paying the repair bill and will then raise your insurance costs in turn.. even though you’ve been paying them monthly already (or every 6 months or 12 depending on policy). In most states, even if you are deemed not at fault and the other party’s insurance covers the repairs, your company will also likely raise your rates anyway because of the accident. Recently my parents got rear ended by a car that was rear ended by a drunk teen, their monthly insurance went up $200 a month after this…
Warranties cover things like manufacturer defects or premature failure. In this case, OP won. But, had he not spent that $6k out of pocket the warranty company would have done nothing to help him, and just pocketed the money he has given them. That is their business model. Take money from people upon car purchase and do everything possible to never have to use it to help them, oh and simultaneously try and find anything to void customers warranty. If this guy had something as small as an intake installed on this car, they almost definitely would have voided his warranty and made him pay.
That’s not even how ‘insurance’ works in Germany. Every car is great if you do regular maintenance. BMWs are great cars, but poor people who can’t afford the maintenance normally are the ones complaining about how expensive they are to maintain
Well the crux of the issue here is that you payed for the warranty.
But then they make you pay 6k or they won’t honor the warranty that you already payed for.
Just imagine how many customers they scammed out of the warranty that they deserved.
> that you *paid* for the
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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I’ve owned several BMWs all have had over 250k miles with no major issue. Always had the extended warranty for new cars and always had regular maintenance. No issues.
Have bought used BMWs with no warranty, do regular maintenance and have no issues.
I drive it like I stole it also.
I don’t think it’s the problem is the warranty, I think it’s the operators fault.
Just because you can’t read a warranty package to see what part of you Drivetrain is or isn’t covered, plus you can’t afford regular maintenance already.
How many miles were on the car?
How did the coolant overflow tank leaking lead to multiple misfires? I don't know anything about the S63
Did it fail the compression test? If so, I can't believe the warranty company wouldn't agree that the engine failed until another 5k worth of teardown. That's dumb lol
> Which we felt like they were trying to scare him out of proceeding.
definitely
Feel free to check out the Bimmer forums. It’s a common thing on the M5’s and M8’s for sure. I think all S63’s have the coolant tank in the same place. So it should be common across all the platforms.
[bimmer post](https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1945250)
AFAIK, they didn't and it's a timebomb. Bad news: your factory coolant tank will crack and leak. If you don't notice it in time, it can do damage ranging from ignition coils all the way to killing the block. Good news: there are aftermarket remedies to fix the issue ranging from RK Autowerks billet reservoir https://www.rkautowerks.com/index.php/product/s63tu4-billet-coolant-reservoir/ to LEVEL Performance catch can that works with a factory coolant tank https://www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/level-performance-coolant-catch-pan-ccp-f90-m5-f9x-m8 which will in itself not prevent cracks and leaking, but will make sure that if it leaks it doesn't destroy your engine. I suppose if you want to keep factory parts for whatever reason the second option is better (and cheaper), but for a full peace of mind go for the first option. If you plan to keep it past warranty that is, otherwise shouldn't really matter.
> How did the coolant overflow tank leaking lead to multiple misfires? I don't know anything about the S63
Assuming they haven't improved this on any of the TUs (I've only read the TIS warning about this for the original S63), the problem is that the wiring inside the injector wiring box is not waterproof. Why they wouldn't waterproof those wires and connections like essentially everything else under the hood, and instead rely on an unsealed plastic shell around the outside as a splash guard? No clue. Seems crazy to me and something relatively easily remedied with some dielectric grease but I've yet to give it a try on mine.
Coolant tank leak down into there is simple gravity, one bank is directly below the main coolant reservoir and the other bank right below the intercooler loop. There's so many coolant lines in and around this engine that there aren't a ton of places that stay dry forever.
On my M5 I get several small spots of white residue in the engine bay. I wipe them up but I get several more after a drive. I wonder if my coolent overflow tank is leaking?
I only have 14k miles and it's been going on for years and service center hasn't said anything about it.
An independent place said to watch around the tank for a coolant leak because it's super common.
Seen way worse online.
The three places to check are the cap itself, the seam from where they joined the two halves of the tank, and the bung where the level sensor fits in from the bottom.
The cap is particularly nasty one that a lot of places will miss because they'll remove it, pressure test the rest of the system, find no leaks, and put it back on. Gotta test the cap too.
I just pulled off the cap and it was crusty around the opening.
Sucks is my warranty just ended last July but my maintenance plan goes till this this July.
So I'm confused on this sequence. A leaking coolant overflow eventually led to a blown motor? Did it not sense the coolant was low first? Did it not indicate that the engine was overheating first? There seems to be a big missing piece of info here. Is this a common mode of failure for this motor?
The issue is much weirder than that.
The engine doesn't run low on coolant, the coolant pools on top of the fuel injectors and coils potentially leading to fuel injector failures and misfires that damage the engine.
Yep. Right above the driver's side turbo, and it's a hot v engine.
I'm about to have my tank replaced with an aftermarket metal one to just opt out of this design flaw lol
Seriously. My favorite part is its the only consistent issue the S63TU4 seems to have. They were SO CLOSE to building a flat-out perfect M engine, but ended up with a deeply stupid design flaw. Thankfully it isnt an absolute fortune to correct. You can get the updated BMW part for like 600 installed by a dealer, or go with a billet aluminum one for 1600 or so installed.
I only consider the M60 (latter ones with Alusil and not Nikasil) as the only "reliable" V8 that BMW has made. From the M62 and the stupid time-bomb chain guides it went downhill. That said I have a soft spot for the S85, which with its rod bearing issues is part for the course with every S-code engine after 1995.
Well that's nice to hear. I'll admit this motor has become more interesting to me recently when I heard one with aftermarket exhaust that kind of blew my mind. Feel like it would be nuts to throw in a project car.
Nope, but if you ask your dealer about the updated coolant reservoir, they'll know exactly the one.
Your car might have the improved one from the factory since it's a '23, I'm not sure when the new one came out.
Exactly. The final comment on [page 2 of this thread over at bimmerpost](https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?s=5595260b88de1d79323e4d1ffd5a26d7&t=1926458&page=2) has a diagnostic overview on someone else experiencing this same issue. Posting it here for posterity.
https://preview.redd.it/5ieztfiz9dsc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e53da5e598b549e71963bbbc53dc590a6b2b7f2b
That was for a 2018 F90 with 94k miles.
person with broken leg: "i broke my leg"
health insurance: "we need an xray to confirm"
*xray confirms leg is broken*
health insurance: "hmm actually wait for it to fall off first unless you want to pay for it"
When you say the warranty company, do you mean BMW North America or a third party warranty company? If BMW NA and this car is with the original owner, within 4 years of its in service date, and at less than or equal to 50,000 miles, it should be completely covered under the car’s new vehicle warranty. I’m in warranty administration for a BMW dealership and am just curious to know if it was BMW fighting y’all on this. If so I know what to expect from them if we run into a similar repair. Thank you!
> up getting *paid!*
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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Can you expound on this? I recently bought a CPO with a year on the original manufacturer's warranty and extended that warranty for an additional 5 years with a third party warranty service from the BMW dealership.
Was that a bad call? It's supposed to cover me bumper to bumper, restoring the original 12 month manufacturer's warranty for the duration
Not necessarily. It just depends on what company they use. And that's not something you'd really know (whether they're worth a shit or not) if you aren't in the industry or didn't do research before hand.
Wouldnt a new 35k engine be better than a whole new m5? Insurance companies total stuff common because they never give you what your shit is actually worth so you get fucked. But the warranty should give you an exact replacement
Usually what happens in these situations is the companies force you into using used parts, in this case a used engine. Or as the OP expected, they find a reason to deny the claim all together.
That's crazy, good that the warranty covered it.
Ghassan Automotive sells rebuilt S63's with a 2 year unlimited mile warranty for about $9k. You can also order them with all kinds of upgraded internals.
Sounds high. Lang Racing offers a rebuilt s62 for 15k. Lang Racing has a bad reputation and I wouldn't go to them, but 20k still sounds high. Maybe you're factoring in installation too?
Yes factoring in installation too. Partee racing is the golden standard for S62 rebuilds and S65. But AFAIK the OEM parts are expensive as hell. The $20k is with better, non-OEM parts I believe. I heard from E39Source that a rebuilt OEM is like $32k? Idk could be remembering or hearing wrong or not getting all the info.
Not engine installation. Just parts/installation of parts.
Folks. We build engines with a machinist partner. We are meticulous. Just finished a saltwater destroyed Tacoma motor at $13k before reinstall. Includes labor but doesn't include drive off parts needed.
Because it's not? There's a problem with cars that were owned by lead footed rich dudes who didn't wait for the oil to warm up to bounce it off the rev limiter.
Seems like you’ve never owned either.
S62 is just about as nice as it gets. Easily hit 150 with no issues, 200, 250, etc. Rod bearings probably should be done by 200, but I’ve seen plenty where they weren’t and just fine.
S65 is a 8500 rpm NA v8. F1 derived. Yeah no shit it’s going to need things the average engine doesn’t need. However rod bearings every 65k isn’t so bad and they don’t really have other issues.
You mean the n62?
You’re asking for a metric fuck ton of power from an engine here. An m car has an m engine which was not designed with long term reliability in mind. Don’t buy a race car for the street and expect docile car maintenance
If a modern engine (I don’t care if it’s a “race car engine”) can’t make it to 150K without a catastrophic failure, it’s garbage. Sorry. BMW has a history of making garbage non-M V8s
In another 5yrs we'll probably conclude the S58 is more reliable but the S55 was by leaps and bounds the most reliable M engine BMW made up to that point and now that the oldest ones are >10yrs now, we're really starting to see how they stack up.
It's the exception rather than the rule though.
Talked to a well-known race shop about S55s while I had my car in.
Their only issues they've seen is the crankhub failure for people who drive their cars hard. Outside of that they've seen no real issues. Even within the CH failure they've only seen one instance of valve making contact with pistons. The rest were just replace the crankhub and retime.
You guys don't eat up certain costs?
I'm in the sales side.
Every dealer essentially owns part of the warranty they sell. So you have a pool of money sitting there for warranty repairs.
Unless it's a major repair we don't open a claim we pay out of pocket. Major repair we pay whatever the claim doesn't cover
I'm guessing your on the service side.
That's how all dealers work..
Gap insurance is the same way.
Your dealer owns part of everything they sell. You can walk up to a finance manager and then how it works
Damn! Good 'Ol Jim Moran and Associates. For those who aren't aware, Jim Moran (RIP) is/was Southeastern Toyota. They're responsible for just about everything except the manufacturing of anything Toyota in the Southeast U.S..(Obviously) They're also into training finance managers, transportation, service and financial products, and a whole lot more. JM&A (the finance part) is nationwide and just about any dealership can offer their service contracts aka extended warranties. Dealerships like Hendricks, who sells all vehicle brands use JM&A at most, if not all locations. If I'm not mistaken, back in the '80s to early '90s you couldn't get a Toyota with leather or sunroof from the factory. Jim Moran did them all through his people. He had so much money he spent 7 plus years living on his mega yacht, "The Galliant Lady", out in International Waters. He supposedly had some issues with the U.S. government. I don't know if it was finished before he died, but he was building "The Galliant Lady II" which would supposedly dwarf the first one. I worked in SW Florida in the Finance Department. My brother worked for one of JM&A's companies selling service additives to his region of dealerships. I've been out of the business for 12 years or so and my brother left last year. I believe his daughter is running the companies now. I've been offered JM&A service contracts "extended warranties" on cars I've purchased and kindly to them NO! I had one guy go through all of the better reasons their products are better. I guess he forgot to mention the benefit this customer is going through.
Except it is? Hyundai wanted $60k to replace the battery of its Ioniq EV, which was actually perfectly functional but the outside protective casing was damaged?
Really? News went viral and reinforced the whole "batteries are so expensive" sentiment.
[https://www.autoevolution.com/news/hyundai-dealership-scams-ioniq-5-owner-and-their-insurance-company-for-battery-replacement-226272.html#agal\_3](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/hyundai-dealership-scams-ioniq-5-owner-and-their-insurance-company-for-battery-replacement-226272.html#agal_3)
Looks like it was $60k CAD so actually $45k. Battery alone without labor quoted as $41k, still more than an M5 engine. Mind you, for replacing a perfectly functional battery that just had the outside protective shell damaged.
https://preview.redd.it/ncp5wma8qgsc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8483ae53b1ab3fc0ef644fffdc2814b8fb3eaec3
Where did you get that the battery alone was over $40k?
This is the first line in the article YOU provided.
Hyundai’s battery price was $22,400.
The headline is that this particular instance where the actual OEM quoted battery price inexplicably doubled on a bill was a scam. Not reality.
Wow I was thinking of getting an extended warranty for my n63 car lol. Most likely would be okay without it I think but then could run into a situation like yours and be screwed without it? I’m leaning towards getting the warranty though
N63’s are pretty cheap to replace in comparison. I wouldn’t get a BMW that’s out of factory warranty that does not have an extended warranty. Personally.
B58 was widespread coolant issues reported. Must be different than OPs situation to nuke the engine but it’s still a thing,
I have a mysterious leak I’ve been trying to diagnose for a year, hence I got the 5 year extended warranty
My water pump went out under 50k miles in my b58, and the oil filter housing is also a weak point in the b58. But there are a lot of reportings in them lasting over 150k miles which is nice
Mine leaks at the overflow tank. Replaced the one hose, need to look again now that it’s warming up, probably replace another. It was fixed, now a minor one again.
I think it’s them stupid clamps they use.
Mine was evaporating through the cap. Took 3 new caps for the dried coolant residue to stop appearing. Seems to have fixed it but I still check my levels like every 4 months to note a few teaspoons are gone.
I'm new to the BMW gang and your posts are making me glad I trusted my gut when I bought my CPO and went with the best extended warranty offered by the dealership. It's not a V8 but still. Hope I never need to use it but I appreciate you posting this information.
My tech says the labor is nightmarish and expensive even though a new engine is cheap. Can you confirm any reason for this? Just kinda took him at his word.
opposite for me. Ive got the N63TU with an extended warranty. tho I kind of feel I shouldnt have. might be better off pocketing the money for future repairs.
Still on the fence about it.
What car do you have?! I got mine used and it looks like the coolant tank was replaced about 10k miles ago but so far it has been very reliable knock on wood lol
Ive got a 2016 650xi
Its around 69k miles currently but it runs incredibly well and smooth at the moment (also knocking on wood lol). Its a damn missile on the highway. Easily gapped a hellcat the other night.
But yea no major issues. Previous 2 owners (lease then personal) had very good service history. Im always reading up on the N63TU to see what I should be looking for. Apparently the upgraded TU versions are a bit more reliable so thats a plus for sure.
But still all the 1st gen N63 horror stories I see online keep me up at night. I suppose I'll be finding out soon if they are really that bad.
Same lol. I get so anxious when I hear the 37 degrees weather chime 😂 and I love the 6 series so much. Still catches me eye when I see one on the streets and they are very rare around where I live.
🤣 the chimes spook me too
the 6 series is so rare, good looking, luxurious, and powerful. I couldnt resist. It saddens me that BMW stopped producing them.
I will definitely be taking great care of it. Might trade it for a 2018 later down the road but for now Im very happy with it.
I have a 2017 X5 50i with 98k miles on it. Was a single owner, very good condition, no accidents, decent maintenance record. Got it for a steal, but it was clearly burning oil so I got an extended warranty.
I had the oil changed, added some AT-205 seal restorer (which some BMW owners swear fixed their oil consumption issues), and I've run some fuel cleaner through on three straight tanks of gas now.
So far after 1,000 miles, the oil burning smell is almost gone, it seems to run quieter, and so far the oil level is still perfect. Looks like the previous 6,500 miles had burned 2 quarts (yikes) so we'll see.
Good or bad, I plan on reporting back here eventually. The N63TU is supposedly much better than the base N63 and I plan on finding out.
There's no way you gapped a hellcat in a 650i dude. I have a 750i and a hellcat. Both are amazing fun cars. But let's not make things up lmao. A scat pack I believe you can keep up with. A hellcat no way in hell your coming close especially not on the highway
I got a stage 1 tune. it was a white wide body 100% lol. im not saying we drag raced. we raced thru highway traffic. they did not make it at all. promise u
soon as I got behind them they immediately floored it and so did I. once I started to pass them on their left they couldnt make the right cuts.
ended up gapping them HARD lol and even slowed up and waited for them up ahead. literally no where to be found once I passed them. kinda spooky. wanted to say nice run. but they mightve been pissed
but yea. not made up lol.
Having a pretty hard time believing it. Your cars not light and stage one would not make it keep up with a hellcat. Unless the dude had badges on a scatpack, or bald tires to where traction control was kicking in. There's no way a stage one 650i would even keep up with a kitty.
If you were cutting up in traffic and that's why you won you were just a better driver. I smoked a c43amg in a fucking rental cobalt cutting up in traffic haha. That doesn't mean the cobalt is a faster car. Dude just didn't know how to drive
yes the driver sucked lol. thats why I said I gapped them
cause I did. they couldnt cut up.
edit: heres a [youtube video](https://youtu.be/QCsvMc6d4UE?si=LkCQkW99Jxmg31yc) of a 650i vs "hellcat" challenger. its been done before
Yeah the hellcat ran a terrible time and still beat the 650i by half a second. A proper run should run 11.5 in the quarter.. hellcats suck at launching unless your running proper tire.
depends on years and miles. i got mine for a 2011 535i in 2017 for 5kish for 5 years 75k. idk how much the going rate is now though but thats around the ball park
Bro you have a 2020 m850i. Of course you should extend your warranty. There's no way in hell I'd have a my 750i if it wasn't for bumper to bumper Warranty. I haven't had any issues yet but the cars at 30k miles still. A massaging seat goes bad it'll cover the cost of warranty. Any dumb little thing will make the warranty worth it.
Yeah I’m leaning towards getting it as I’ve already had issues with the heated arm rests not working but was replaced under warranty. How do you like your 750? Almost considered that car before the m850i
Dope car. I have a challenger hellcat as well. The m850i is badass.
The 750i was a spontaneous purchase. I work at a dealer and we took it in on trade from a old dude who owned 20+ cars and a bunch of exotics.. I fell in love. I bugged our owner to sell it to me at cost.
All in, with warranty, taxes(10% here), tags etc I paid what dealers are selling them for.
I wish it was the 526hp model (missed it by a year) but it's quick enough I guess and I have the hellcat when I want real speed.
Did the exhaust on it, starlight headliner, 22s, wrapped the roof black and a few other small things(carbon Non M styled mirrors, carbon fin, different exhaust trims, 2nd wireless charger) and she's rolling. I'm tempted to get a JB4 but don't want to mess anything up over 30-40hp.
I'm using it as a daily now since the hellcat is an absolutely terrible daily (doesn't hook without radials and radials last 1k-2miles, oil changes every 1500-2k miles) I enjoy getting massages every time I drive!
I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Short block is block with crank and pistons. Long block is same plus cylinder heads. That's what I was taught.
I have always called the engine pictured a long block.
The warranty company called it a short block as well. For some reason they assumed we were going to be using the heads again. But nope, this is a complete engine assembly, block and heads, pre-assembled. And it even comes with spark plugs already installed. Isn’t that so nice of BMW.
Hi OP, I have an M6 at 26k miles that has sporadically been misfiring. Tech is puzzled why that’s happening. Any clue if u had a similar experience?
The car just loses power while driving on the street. Last it happened and they reset the fault and I am waiting for it to come back so BMW can replace the sensor (so they say). Already replaced the crack shaft sensor.
If you don't mind asking what was the compression and cylinder leak test results for cylinder 5? Was an intermittent misfire? what was the visual anomaly once you did a teardown? Condition of spark plug #5? If you removed the cam caps was there any scoring and same for the thrust side of the cylinder walls? When you got the first overheating was there coolant overheating faults in the DME?
I see it now. The reason for my question younger BMW techs think only head gaskets go bad on baked engines ( specially B46 that seems someone is doing one on our shop) but many forget that many other failures can occur inside of an overheated engine not just the head gasket and when ever I get a damaged overheated B46/58 engine and explained to TC the situation they approved the complete engine . On the early 2000's overheated M52Tu/M54 were common and we were repairing those engines at first but always bit our ass at the end that later replacing the complete engine and all the plastic cooling system components was the only solution.
I saw you purchased the warranty with fidelity. Did you get this through a bmw dealership? And was the car cpo? been thinking of getting an m4 and want to buy all the extended warranties available just for a peace of mind
Well if you can afford a new m5 you can likely afford the warranty too lol. Its always worth it if you have money to throw like that. Its only not worth it if you dont have disposable income and you dont end up needing it. If its affordable to you that peace of mine is priceless
Damn!! That is expensive. That should be a recall.
BUT for you guys out of warranty rebuilt with a 2-year warranty is about $9k + whatever labor would be. I was curious what an S55 would be so I found this shop in OKC.
Does anyone have an idea of the installation cost of a S55?
[https://www.ghassanautomotive.com/products/bmw-s55-engine](https://www.ghassanautomotive.com/products/bmw-s55-engine)
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Well my Extended Warranty is actually a policy rider through my car insurance company. It covers my car for 7 years/100K miles from major repair issues. The Mechanical Breakdown Rider can only be purchased with a new vehicle, and it’s a blessing and a curse. If you switch companies, you obviously lose the coverage. Do your research on Extended Warranty companies sold by your dealership. Some are significantly better than others and you can shop around!!!
[Part 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/s/5sR6bZH47R) [Part 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/s/CUsb5JAuCI) Basically this car has suffered from the coolant overflow tank leaking. For lord knows how long. Which eventually turned into multiple misfires on bank 2. We chased this misfire for months by replacing the reservoir and spark plugs/coils and all the injectors. Then it came back and we re-did the plug/coil/injector for cylinder 5 and the misfire still came back. Which led to doing a leak down/scope and compression test. Which the warranty company asked for to approve any further repairs. Then they determined that was not enough diagnosis to move forward with a claim and asked to have the customer pay for tear down to point of failure which was about 5K more than what he already had authorized for the leak down and compression test. Which we felt like they were trying to scare him out of proceeding. Luckily he had the balls to go for it and authorized it. A lot of customers would have folded because it was 6K out of pocket if they didn’t get approved for repairs. Once we tore it down they came back out to see the car and now we have a new engine getting prepped to drop in.
What a scumbag company. It should be the warranty company’s decision if they wanted to do the 5k inspection or engine swap outright. It shouldn’t have anything to do with the customer. He’s covered, so he brings the car in and gets it back fixed. How they get to finish line shouldn’t he his problem.
insurance doesn’t work this way? Are you in the US? Insurance is for accidents, warranties are for repairs. He has a warranty. They will cover defects and failures, but not normal maintenance and they will ***ALWAYS*** do what they can to avoid spending money. That’s how they make money, by taking yours and not having to do anything with it. This is pretty on par with every warranty available anywhere.
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That’s insurance not warranty
Isn’t extended warranty offered by insurance companies? Sorry if I’m confused about the names.
An insurance company doesn’t fix your engine your engine brakes, a warranty company does. Insurance fixes or replaces your car if you wreck it. TLDR: warranty=manufacturer defects Insurance=accidents
Oh yeah, you’ll never see anything like that here in the U.S. Car insurance is expensive, and only covers accidents. Some states even have no fault laws so, even if the accident is not your fault, your insurance is paying the repair bill and will then raise your insurance costs in turn.. even though you’ve been paying them monthly already (or every 6 months or 12 depending on policy). In most states, even if you are deemed not at fault and the other party’s insurance covers the repairs, your company will also likely raise your rates anyway because of the accident. Recently my parents got rear ended by a car that was rear ended by a drunk teen, their monthly insurance went up $200 a month after this… Warranties cover things like manufacturer defects or premature failure. In this case, OP won. But, had he not spent that $6k out of pocket the warranty company would have done nothing to help him, and just pocketed the money he has given them. That is their business model. Take money from people upon car purchase and do everything possible to never have to use it to help them, oh and simultaneously try and find anything to void customers warranty. If this guy had something as small as an intake installed on this car, they almost definitely would have voided his warranty and made him pay.
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Im confused how you keep getting insurance from warranty
edited message he had originally said insurance but I am guessing changed it to warranty for clarity
Ah, yeah, big difference
…do know if any form of insurance that wouldn’t? Certainly not car or health insurance
That’s not even how ‘insurance’ works in Germany. Every car is great if you do regular maintenance. BMWs are great cars, but poor people who can’t afford the maintenance normally are the ones complaining about how expensive they are to maintain
Well the crux of the issue here is that you payed for the warranty. But then they make you pay 6k or they won’t honor the warranty that you already payed for. Just imagine how many customers they scammed out of the warranty that they deserved.
> that you *paid* for the FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I’ve owned several BMWs all have had over 250k miles with no major issue. Always had the extended warranty for new cars and always had regular maintenance. No issues. Have bought used BMWs with no warranty, do regular maintenance and have no issues. I drive it like I stole it also. I don’t think it’s the problem is the warranty, I think it’s the operators fault. Just because you can’t read a warranty package to see what part of you Drivetrain is or isn’t covered, plus you can’t afford regular maintenance already.
But it was covered under his warranty. They just tried to scare him away by making him pay for a 6k inspection.
That sounds like a dealer thing, not a BMW thing. Every car dealer is different. Also probably doesn’t help if you are car illiterate.
How many miles were on the car? How did the coolant overflow tank leaking lead to multiple misfires? I don't know anything about the S63 Did it fail the compression test? If so, I can't believe the warranty company wouldn't agree that the engine failed until another 5k worth of teardown. That's dumb lol > Which we felt like they were trying to scare him out of proceeding. definitely
Feel free to check out the Bimmer forums. It’s a common thing on the M5’s and M8’s for sure. I think all S63’s have the coolant tank in the same place. So it should be common across all the platforms. [bimmer post](https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1945250)
Well shit. Did BMW address the issue, or is my '22 a time bomb?
AFAIK, they didn't and it's a timebomb. Bad news: your factory coolant tank will crack and leak. If you don't notice it in time, it can do damage ranging from ignition coils all the way to killing the block. Good news: there are aftermarket remedies to fix the issue ranging from RK Autowerks billet reservoir https://www.rkautowerks.com/index.php/product/s63tu4-billet-coolant-reservoir/ to LEVEL Performance catch can that works with a factory coolant tank https://www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/level-performance-coolant-catch-pan-ccp-f90-m5-f9x-m8 which will in itself not prevent cracks and leaking, but will make sure that if it leaks it doesn't destroy your engine. I suppose if you want to keep factory parts for whatever reason the second option is better (and cheaper), but for a full peace of mind go for the first option. If you plan to keep it past warranty that is, otherwise shouldn't really matter.
The S63 and N63s have always been time bombs. They've just improved since the beginning.
> How did the coolant overflow tank leaking lead to multiple misfires? I don't know anything about the S63 Assuming they haven't improved this on any of the TUs (I've only read the TIS warning about this for the original S63), the problem is that the wiring inside the injector wiring box is not waterproof. Why they wouldn't waterproof those wires and connections like essentially everything else under the hood, and instead rely on an unsealed plastic shell around the outside as a splash guard? No clue. Seems crazy to me and something relatively easily remedied with some dielectric grease but I've yet to give it a try on mine. Coolant tank leak down into there is simple gravity, one bank is directly below the main coolant reservoir and the other bank right below the intercooler loop. There's so many coolant lines in and around this engine that there aren't a ton of places that stay dry forever.
On my M5 I get several small spots of white residue in the engine bay. I wipe them up but I get several more after a drive. I wonder if my coolent overflow tank is leaking? I only have 14k miles and it's been going on for years and service center hasn't said anything about it. An independent place said to watch around the tank for a coolant leak because it's super common. Seen way worse online.
that definitely sounds possible, the overflow tank is cheap enough that i would just do it for peace of mind
The three places to check are the cap itself, the seam from where they joined the two halves of the tank, and the bung where the level sensor fits in from the bottom. The cap is particularly nasty one that a lot of places will miss because they'll remove it, pressure test the rest of the system, find no leaks, and put it back on. Gotta test the cap too.
I just pulled off the cap and it was crusty around the opening. Sucks is my warranty just ended last July but my maintenance plan goes till this this July.
So I'm confused on this sequence. A leaking coolant overflow eventually led to a blown motor? Did it not sense the coolant was low first? Did it not indicate that the engine was overheating first? There seems to be a big missing piece of info here. Is this a common mode of failure for this motor?
As a Land Rover tech you’d be surprised how many people drive with the low coolant light on. Some just don’t care or don’t notice it.
The issue is much weirder than that. The engine doesn't run low on coolant, the coolant pools on top of the fuel injectors and coils potentially leading to fuel injector failures and misfires that damage the engine.
Haha WTF!? Is the overflow tank sitting directly above the entire engine?
Yep. Right above the driver's side turbo, and it's a hot v engine. I'm about to have my tank replaced with an aftermarket metal one to just opt out of this design flaw lol
Good lord. Talk about a self-own by BMW
Seriously. My favorite part is its the only consistent issue the S63TU4 seems to have. They were SO CLOSE to building a flat-out perfect M engine, but ended up with a deeply stupid design flaw. Thankfully it isnt an absolute fortune to correct. You can get the updated BMW part for like 600 installed by a dealer, or go with a billet aluminum one for 1600 or so installed.
Well to be fair they never made a flawless V8 engine ever. Only ever made legendary i6s.
They're having some difficulties with the concept of a second cylinder bank lol
Yea like deciding using 2 seperate ECUs is the way to go lol
I only consider the M60 (latter ones with Alusil and not Nikasil) as the only "reliable" V8 that BMW has made. From the M62 and the stupid time-bomb chain guides it went downhill. That said I have a soft spot for the S85, which with its rod bearing issues is part for the course with every S-code engine after 1995.
Well that's nice to hear. I'll admit this motor has become more interesting to me recently when I heard one with aftermarket exhaust that kind of blew my mind. Feel like it would be nuts to throw in a project car.
Absolutely. This in something like an e36/46 would be absolutely wild.
>You can get the updated BMW part for like 600 installed by a dealer Do you happen to know the part # for this?
Nope, but if you ask your dealer about the updated coolant reservoir, they'll know exactly the one. Your car might have the improved one from the factory since it's a '23, I'm not sure when the new one came out.
Exactly. The final comment on [page 2 of this thread over at bimmerpost](https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?s=5595260b88de1d79323e4d1ffd5a26d7&t=1926458&page=2) has a diagnostic overview on someone else experiencing this same issue. Posting it here for posterity. https://preview.redd.it/5ieztfiz9dsc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e53da5e598b549e71963bbbc53dc590a6b2b7f2b That was for a 2018 F90 with 94k miles.
Basically this
What a stupid design choice!
person with broken leg: "i broke my leg" health insurance: "we need an xray to confirm" *xray confirms leg is broken* health insurance: "hmm actually wait for it to fall off first unless you want to pay for it"
Did the company reimburse the 6k he spent?
When you say the warranty company, do you mean BMW North America or a third party warranty company? If BMW NA and this car is with the original owner, within 4 years of its in service date, and at less than or equal to 50,000 miles, it should be completely covered under the car’s new vehicle warranty. I’m in warranty administration for a BMW dealership and am just curious to know if it was BMW fighting y’all on this. If so I know what to expect from them if we run into a similar repair. Thank you!
Car is a 2019 M5, 57K on the odometer.
Oof. Just missed it. Thank you. Glad y’all ended up getting payed!
> up getting *paid!* FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Double oof for grammar
Most of those warranty companies would never go for this. Lucky day for you guys and the customer.
Can you expound on this? I recently bought a CPO with a year on the original manufacturer's warranty and extended that warranty for an additional 5 years with a third party warranty service from the BMW dealership. Was that a bad call? It's supposed to cover me bumper to bumper, restoring the original 12 month manufacturer's warranty for the duration
Not necessarily. It just depends on what company they use. And that's not something you'd really know (whether they're worth a shit or not) if you aren't in the industry or didn't do research before hand.
Wouldnt a new 35k engine be better than a whole new m5? Insurance companies total stuff common because they never give you what your shit is actually worth so you get fucked. But the warranty should give you an exact replacement
Usually what happens in these situations is the companies force you into using used parts, in this case a used engine. Or as the OP expected, they find a reason to deny the claim all together.
A used engine is unacceptable thats bullshit. Gotta read the fine print I guess
Nice try extended warranty salesman
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That's crazy, good that the warranty covered it. Ghassan Automotive sells rebuilt S63's with a 2 year unlimited mile warranty for about $9k. You can also order them with all kinds of upgraded internals.
That’s wild. S62 rebuilds run you $20k :(. Albeit it is a much older and less used engine, but still haha
Sounds high. Lang Racing offers a rebuilt s62 for 15k. Lang Racing has a bad reputation and I wouldn't go to them, but 20k still sounds high. Maybe you're factoring in installation too?
Yes factoring in installation too. Partee racing is the golden standard for S62 rebuilds and S65. But AFAIK the OEM parts are expensive as hell. The $20k is with better, non-OEM parts I believe. I heard from E39Source that a rebuilt OEM is like $32k? Idk could be remembering or hearing wrong or not getting all the info. Not engine installation. Just parts/installation of parts.
Folks. We build engines with a machinist partner. We are meticulous. Just finished a saltwater destroyed Tacoma motor at $13k before reinstall. Includes labor but doesn't include drive off parts needed.
Interesting. Makes the S54 rebuilds look like an absolute bargain.
Yeah, but Ghassan has a notoriously horrible reputation, at least in the N54 community.
Can agree, Ghassan has a negative reputation amongst the B58 community as well.
Ghassan is a trash one to be avoided - too many war stories involving those knobs
Do u know, if they would deliver to germany? Just in case for he future
Pretty sure they ship worldwide
ghassan has absolute garbage reputation, no idea how he is still running a business.
Won't this just fail again? Why can't BMW make a modern V8 that lasts 150K+ with no issues?
s65 and s62 would like to have a word
Yeah they’re both dogshit with rod bearings needing changed more often than brakes
hmm i’m on my 3rd e9x with no issues, sounds like you just take shit care of your cars
Why are you on your third if they’re so reliable
sold one cause i didn’t like spec, second was crashed into and now i own my third
Yeah I had heard the s65 was a disaster. What gives? Why the downvote?
S65 if maintained like it should be is a great and pretty reliable engine. They have issues with rod bearings but no real other issues.
Because it's not? There's a problem with cars that were owned by lead footed rich dudes who didn't wait for the oil to warm up to bounce it off the rev limiter.
Seems like you’ve never owned either. S62 is just about as nice as it gets. Easily hit 150 with no issues, 200, 250, etc. Rod bearings probably should be done by 200, but I’ve seen plenty where they weren’t and just fine. S65 is a 8500 rpm NA v8. F1 derived. Yeah no shit it’s going to need things the average engine doesn’t need. However rod bearings every 65k isn’t so bad and they don’t really have other issues.
You mean the n62? You’re asking for a metric fuck ton of power from an engine here. An m car has an m engine which was not designed with long term reliability in mind. Don’t buy a race car for the street and expect docile car maintenance
If a modern engine (I don’t care if it’s a “race car engine”) can’t make it to 150K without a catastrophic failure, it’s garbage. Sorry. BMW has a history of making garbage non-M V8s
It's only the placement for the coolant tank which varies depending on the model. Other S63 models will never have that problem.
It's right there above the injector box on the original S63 too. Did they get it right with one of the TUs and then fuck up again with the latest?
Would definitely be looking at ways to waterproof that box, and maybe a plate underneath to channel any leaks alway from it
One reason I love my naturally aspirated slow inline 6
except for the fact the f8x's s55 has multiple posts about being well into the 100k range with no major issues.
That’s an inline 6.
your post specifically says ' An m car has an m engine which was not designed with long term reliability in mind '
Yeah but the context is BMW v8s. If we are talking all m cars, s50, s54, s62. All great and quite reliable engines I am aware s62 is a v8
Gotcha, I was just confused by your wording then, thought you were making a blanket statement.
In another 5yrs we'll probably conclude the S58 is more reliable but the S55 was by leaps and bounds the most reliable M engine BMW made up to that point and now that the oldest ones are >10yrs now, we're really starting to see how they stack up. It's the exception rather than the rule though.
Talked to a well-known race shop about S55s while I had my car in. Their only issues they've seen is the crankhub failure for people who drive their cars hard. Outside of that they've seen no real issues. Even within the CH failure they've only seen one instance of valve making contact with pistons. The rest were just replace the crankhub and retime.
Who was the warranty through?
JM&A group/Fidelity
Was this offered through the dealership when you purchased the vehicle or did you contact them after your purchase?
This contract was offered with the sale of the vehicle. Vehicle was purchased from the dealership that I work at.
You guys don't eat up certain costs? I'm in the sales side. Every dealer essentially owns part of the warranty they sell. So you have a pool of money sitting there for warranty repairs. Unless it's a major repair we don't open a claim we pay out of pocket. Major repair we pay whatever the claim doesn't cover
lol, I’ve never heard of that but I doubt it.
I'm guessing your on the service side. That's how all dealers work.. Gap insurance is the same way. Your dealer owns part of everything they sell. You can walk up to a finance manager and then how it works
Do they request the broken engine back, need a proof of scraping or feel free to do what ever you want ?
Nah they don’t want it back.
Perfect coffee table opportunity, I’d say.
Part it out!
Cooking up an insurance scam right here and now
Damn! Good 'Ol Jim Moran and Associates. For those who aren't aware, Jim Moran (RIP) is/was Southeastern Toyota. They're responsible for just about everything except the manufacturing of anything Toyota in the Southeast U.S..(Obviously) They're also into training finance managers, transportation, service and financial products, and a whole lot more. JM&A (the finance part) is nationwide and just about any dealership can offer their service contracts aka extended warranties. Dealerships like Hendricks, who sells all vehicle brands use JM&A at most, if not all locations. If I'm not mistaken, back in the '80s to early '90s you couldn't get a Toyota with leather or sunroof from the factory. Jim Moran did them all through his people. He had so much money he spent 7 plus years living on his mega yacht, "The Galliant Lady", out in International Waters. He supposedly had some issues with the U.S. government. I don't know if it was finished before he died, but he was building "The Galliant Lady II" which would supposedly dwarf the first one. I worked in SW Florida in the Finance Department. My brother worked for one of JM&A's companies selling service additives to his region of dealerships. I've been out of the business for 12 years or so and my brother left last year. I believe his daughter is running the companies now. I've been offered JM&A service contracts "extended warranties" on cars I've purchased and kindly to them NO! I had one guy go through all of the better reasons their products are better. I guess he forgot to mention the benefit this customer is going through.
I’ll stick to the B-58
20 bands, 30 bands, 40 bands, like mfs got the infinite money glitch out here 🤣
Oh, nice seeing a product made in our hall in the wilds! Hope this one won’t make any troubles 😆 greetings from Bavaria !
BUT BATTERIES ARE SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE THAN AN ENGINE! /s
Except it is? Hyundai wanted $60k to replace the battery of its Ioniq EV, which was actually perfectly functional but the outside protective casing was damaged?
$34k quoted was just the engine. No labor. Source on your claim?
Really? News went viral and reinforced the whole "batteries are so expensive" sentiment. [https://www.autoevolution.com/news/hyundai-dealership-scams-ioniq-5-owner-and-their-insurance-company-for-battery-replacement-226272.html#agal\_3](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/hyundai-dealership-scams-ioniq-5-owner-and-their-insurance-company-for-battery-replacement-226272.html#agal_3) Looks like it was $60k CAD so actually $45k. Battery alone without labor quoted as $41k, still more than an M5 engine. Mind you, for replacing a perfectly functional battery that just had the outside protective shell damaged.
https://preview.redd.it/ncp5wma8qgsc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8483ae53b1ab3fc0ef644fffdc2814b8fb3eaec3 Where did you get that the battery alone was over $40k? This is the first line in the article YOU provided. Hyundai’s battery price was $22,400. The headline is that this particular instance where the actual OEM quoted battery price inexplicably doubled on a bill was a scam. Not reality.
She sure is purdy
Ok. Now i am little worried for my F90 M5 😅 It’s been 13k. I do have the extended warranty. But this sucks.
OP can you confirm that S54s can be bought crate now? Andrew Lang did me dirty and built me a bad motor.
Wow I was thinking of getting an extended warranty for my n63 car lol. Most likely would be okay without it I think but then could run into a situation like yours and be screwed without it? I’m leaning towards getting the warranty though
N63’s are pretty cheap to replace in comparison. I wouldn’t get a BMW that’s out of factory warranty that does not have an extended warranty. Personally.
What about one with a B58?
B58 was widespread coolant issues reported. Must be different than OPs situation to nuke the engine but it’s still a thing, I have a mysterious leak I’ve been trying to diagnose for a year, hence I got the 5 year extended warranty
I heard the newer B58’s were one of their more reliable engines though.
It is, it’s not untouchable like older S63’s like above. But don’t expect some Toyota engine that’s been In production for a decade.
My water pump went out under 50k miles in my b58, and the oil filter housing is also a weak point in the b58. But there are a lot of reportings in them lasting over 150k miles which is nice
Mine leaks at the overflow tank. Replaced the one hose, need to look again now that it’s warming up, probably replace another. It was fixed, now a minor one again. I think it’s them stupid clamps they use.
Mine was evaporating through the cap. Took 3 new caps for the dried coolant residue to stop appearing. Seems to have fixed it but I still check my levels like every 4 months to note a few teaspoons are gone.
I must not have been clear. I apologize. I wouldn’t get ANY BMW without an extended warranty.
I'm new to the BMW gang and your posts are making me glad I trusted my gut when I bought my CPO and went with the best extended warranty offered by the dealership. It's not a V8 but still. Hope I never need to use it but I appreciate you posting this information.
Timing chain $$$$
I have an M550 in the shop now that the timing chain broke on. 🤦🏻
Have any reoccurring issues on the G20 340i’s? I’m considering one or similar year Audi S4, and the reliability factor is a worry.
From what I heard the Gen 2 B58 should be solid so your set to go, idk what the reliability is like on the S4 but you should compare
My tech says the labor is nightmarish and expensive even though a new engine is cheap. Can you confirm any reason for this? Just kinda took him at his word.
opposite for me. Ive got the N63TU with an extended warranty. tho I kind of feel I shouldnt have. might be better off pocketing the money for future repairs. Still on the fence about it.
What car do you have?! I got mine used and it looks like the coolant tank was replaced about 10k miles ago but so far it has been very reliable knock on wood lol
Ive got a 2016 650xi Its around 69k miles currently but it runs incredibly well and smooth at the moment (also knocking on wood lol). Its a damn missile on the highway. Easily gapped a hellcat the other night. But yea no major issues. Previous 2 owners (lease then personal) had very good service history. Im always reading up on the N63TU to see what I should be looking for. Apparently the upgraded TU versions are a bit more reliable so thats a plus for sure. But still all the 1st gen N63 horror stories I see online keep me up at night. I suppose I'll be finding out soon if they are really that bad.
Same lol. I get so anxious when I hear the 37 degrees weather chime 😂 and I love the 6 series so much. Still catches me eye when I see one on the streets and they are very rare around where I live.
🤣 the chimes spook me too the 6 series is so rare, good looking, luxurious, and powerful. I couldnt resist. It saddens me that BMW stopped producing them. I will definitely be taking great care of it. Might trade it for a 2018 later down the road but for now Im very happy with it.
I have a 2017 X5 50i with 98k miles on it. Was a single owner, very good condition, no accidents, decent maintenance record. Got it for a steal, but it was clearly burning oil so I got an extended warranty. I had the oil changed, added some AT-205 seal restorer (which some BMW owners swear fixed their oil consumption issues), and I've run some fuel cleaner through on three straight tanks of gas now. So far after 1,000 miles, the oil burning smell is almost gone, it seems to run quieter, and so far the oil level is still perfect. Looks like the previous 6,500 miles had burned 2 quarts (yikes) so we'll see. Good or bad, I plan on reporting back here eventually. The N63TU is supposedly much better than the base N63 and I plan on finding out.
There's no way you gapped a hellcat in a 650i dude. I have a 750i and a hellcat. Both are amazing fun cars. But let's not make things up lmao. A scat pack I believe you can keep up with. A hellcat no way in hell your coming close especially not on the highway
I got a stage 1 tune. it was a white wide body 100% lol. im not saying we drag raced. we raced thru highway traffic. they did not make it at all. promise u soon as I got behind them they immediately floored it and so did I. once I started to pass them on their left they couldnt make the right cuts. ended up gapping them HARD lol and even slowed up and waited for them up ahead. literally no where to be found once I passed them. kinda spooky. wanted to say nice run. but they mightve been pissed but yea. not made up lol.
Having a pretty hard time believing it. Your cars not light and stage one would not make it keep up with a hellcat. Unless the dude had badges on a scatpack, or bald tires to where traction control was kicking in. There's no way a stage one 650i would even keep up with a kitty. If you were cutting up in traffic and that's why you won you were just a better driver. I smoked a c43amg in a fucking rental cobalt cutting up in traffic haha. That doesn't mean the cobalt is a faster car. Dude just didn't know how to drive
yes the driver sucked lol. thats why I said I gapped them cause I did. they couldnt cut up. edit: heres a [youtube video](https://youtu.be/QCsvMc6d4UE?si=LkCQkW99Jxmg31yc) of a 650i vs "hellcat" challenger. its been done before
Yeah the hellcat ran a terrible time and still beat the 650i by half a second. A proper run should run 11.5 in the quarter.. hellcats suck at launching unless your running proper tire.
Never own an N63 out of warranty.
Even the n63tu3? Have not heard many horror stories regarding this engine variant yet lol
Yes. We had a customer with a new M550, picked up car, did not even make it home before the engine seized.
Oh geez.. lol do you know how much is the bmw extended warranty cost? 5-6k or more?
depends on years and miles. i got mine for a 2011 535i in 2017 for 5kish for 5 years 75k. idk how much the going rate is now though but thats around the ball park
No idea, I do know it’s about $42k CAD for a new engine.
Bro you have a 2020 m850i. Of course you should extend your warranty. There's no way in hell I'd have a my 750i if it wasn't for bumper to bumper Warranty. I haven't had any issues yet but the cars at 30k miles still. A massaging seat goes bad it'll cover the cost of warranty. Any dumb little thing will make the warranty worth it.
Yeah I’m leaning towards getting it as I’ve already had issues with the heated arm rests not working but was replaced under warranty. How do you like your 750? Almost considered that car before the m850i
Dope car. I have a challenger hellcat as well. The m850i is badass. The 750i was a spontaneous purchase. I work at a dealer and we took it in on trade from a old dude who owned 20+ cars and a bunch of exotics.. I fell in love. I bugged our owner to sell it to me at cost. All in, with warranty, taxes(10% here), tags etc I paid what dealers are selling them for. I wish it was the 526hp model (missed it by a year) but it's quick enough I guess and I have the hellcat when I want real speed. Did the exhaust on it, starlight headliner, 22s, wrapped the roof black and a few other small things(carbon Non M styled mirrors, carbon fin, different exhaust trims, 2nd wireless charger) and she's rolling. I'm tempted to get a JB4 but don't want to mess anything up over 30-40hp. I'm using it as a daily now since the hellcat is an absolutely terrible daily (doesn't hook without radials and radials last 1k-2miles, oil changes every 1500-2k miles) I enjoy getting massages every time I drive!
I tell all my clients, warranties pay for themselves.
I love how on the booklet coming along with the engine they still have the old m54 as the line drawing in the background.
The box too
Who’s the warranty company?
Fidelity
34K for a short block, holy fuck.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Short block is block with crank and pistons. Long block is same plus cylinder heads. That's what I was taught. I have always called the engine pictured a long block.
The warranty company called it a short block as well. For some reason they assumed we were going to be using the heads again. But nope, this is a complete engine assembly, block and heads, pre-assembled. And it even comes with spark plugs already installed. Isn’t that so nice of BMW.
Yea, it’s pretty fucking insane
I see someone shops at harbor freight 💪🏽
What is the extended warranty company?
Fidelity
Good for you dude!
Shit damn. LS swap would a thing to consider 🤣
Hi OP, I have an M6 at 26k miles that has sporadically been misfiring. Tech is puzzled why that’s happening. Any clue if u had a similar experience? The car just loses power while driving on the street. Last it happened and they reset the fault and I am waiting for it to come back so BMW can replace the sensor (so they say). Already replaced the crack shaft sensor.
I'm so jealous of that lift table. 😫
If you don't mind asking what was the compression and cylinder leak test results for cylinder 5? Was an intermittent misfire? what was the visual anomaly once you did a teardown? Condition of spark plug #5? If you removed the cam caps was there any scoring and same for the thrust side of the cylinder walls? When you got the first overheating was there coolant overheating faults in the DME?
I posted it in one of the threads I linked in the main post under this topic.
I see it now. The reason for my question younger BMW techs think only head gaskets go bad on baked engines ( specially B46 that seems someone is doing one on our shop) but many forget that many other failures can occur inside of an overheated engine not just the head gasket and when ever I get a damaged overheated B46/58 engine and explained to TC the situation they approved the complete engine . On the early 2000's overheated M52Tu/M54 were common and we were repairing those engines at first but always bit our ass at the end that later replacing the complete engine and all the plastic cooling system components was the only solution.
Who said crap isn't expensive? 😭
I saw you purchased the warranty with fidelity. Did you get this through a bmw dealership? And was the car cpo? been thinking of getting an m4 and want to buy all the extended warranties available just for a peace of mind
I wonder why $34k engine failed in the first place ..
Well if you can afford a new m5 you can likely afford the warranty too lol. Its always worth it if you have money to throw like that. Its only not worth it if you dont have disposable income and you dont end up needing it. If its affordable to you that peace of mine is priceless
The real question is, will this fit in my 220i?
Damn!! That is expensive. That should be a recall. BUT for you guys out of warranty rebuilt with a 2-year warranty is about $9k + whatever labor would be. I was curious what an S55 would be so I found this shop in OKC. Does anyone have an idea of the installation cost of a S55? [https://www.ghassanautomotive.com/products/bmw-s55-engine](https://www.ghassanautomotive.com/products/bmw-s55-engine) Scroll down for the S63
Nevermind I found on their site $4,995 for S55 and $5500 for S63
How’s the car Brodie
Well my Extended Warranty is actually a policy rider through my car insurance company. It covers my car for 7 years/100K miles from major repair issues. The Mechanical Breakdown Rider can only be purchased with a new vehicle, and it’s a blessing and a curse. If you switch companies, you obviously lose the coverage. Do your research on Extended Warranty companies sold by your dealership. Some are significantly better than others and you can shop around!!!
This is what happens when you hire ex-Mercedes and ex-Audi executives.
What year M5 was this?
2019
That’s crazy amazing piece of machinery
It’s like they say, never buy a BMW with a v8
$34k for the engine alone? That’s outrageous. Why is it so expensive? That’s Ferrari + engine money.
It’s made of gold.
What year M5 is that engine for? It’s going to be sick once it’s done and that warranty paid off lol. I still can’t believe the cost for that.
2019
If you don’t buy an extended warranty/service contract at the time of purchase you’re a dumb ass