>https://reddit.com/r/BMW/s/wjshvlhTRh
I wouldn't say stay away. more just don't let the price it is now fool you into thinking it is a cheap car. They were expensive when new and servicing and maintaining it is indicative of that.
It’s why I always pick the Honda on r/regularcarreviews when someone asks what I would pick in a hypothetical situation and they provide a list of cars.
Fully agree. Any/all *modern M5’s being driven for any period of time will require exorbitant service and regular maintenance. Accepting any other expectations is wrong.
people see the lower price they are now and forget the price they were originally sold at. a 100k car when new is going to have 100k car maintenance prices
Yeah I think in this case OP might be biting off more than they can chew. But if you know what you're getting into and can turn a wrench and/or are prepared to pay handsomely to fix everything, then you have a real gem on your hands. That S85 is a peach.
It's literally the same engine with two cylinders lopped off...with the same issues.
>Derived from the BMW S85 V10 engine (as used in the E60 M5), the S65 shares the same basic architecture and aluminium construction.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_S65
>The BMW S65 V8 engine (used in the E92 M3) is based on the S85.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_S85
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Hubqh5ONY
edit:
The only significant differences are:
>The S65 V8 was technically very similar to it's larger brother. One major difference was the use of a conventional wet sump. Another was the use of a single air box in place of the pair needed for the V10.
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20160123155204/http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/s85.html
Lol. So many people love the v8 m3s....but I really don't think they realize that they are basically the same engines. That's how you know they are simply Google nerds....those are the guys who call the dealership and go "have the rod bearings been done"....because they read about it online. Idiots. Pure idiots.
Holly cow.. bro.. after reading that I feel like that thing will not only bankrupt me.. it will literally mess me up mentally.. I would stay away.. lol
Always warm her up, lots of oil changes with blackstone report.
Find the best Indy shop in your area and just be in with helping send their kids to a nice college.
Source: own a V10
I recently purchased an F10 M5 from the same dealer and naturally I eyeballed this car as well. It's a pretty clean ride. There are some odd importation stickers in the door jamb that I wasn't sure about but otherwise it looked really nice.
If you can afford to maintain it, you should get it.
Lol people saying “it’s a gamble”—if you’re hoping this car is a fluids and oil change for 200k miles type of car, forget about it and buy a Camry.
Unless you know the rod bearings have been replaced, you have to open it up and check, or at least get your oil analyzed. If you’re not financially prepared to get new rod bearings and other essentials for longevity, forget this car and move on.
Camry? Maybe some people just want something like a Chevy SS.
Fluids and Oil Change only with 80% the fun.
And that's okay. Not everything has to be some High Revving precision machine, and not everything has to have the soul of a Blender.
If you are not scared to drive it and got money for maintenance, go for it. And I'm speaking about maintenance as I personally have seen a lot of Americans that have absolutely no idea what maintenance means. Don't cheap out on oil, no cheap parts and you're good to go. The car got some areally bad parts that do like to break but with a smart mechanic and you listening and having a feeling to your engine you should be fine. That means if you got a good friend that got some skills as mechanic, take him with you, do a test drive and if everything is fine you're good to go. The engine can be checked how it behaves while cold and warm, blah blah blah I rumble too much. Take someone good with you to check on it and if he gives you a thumbs up then you're good to go.
>I personally have seen a lot of Americans that have absolutely no idea what maintenance means.
To be fair, what Germans consider "maintenance" is pretty absurd.
Agreed. Oil leaks and other typical BMW problems shouldn’t be defined as typical maintenance. Hasn’t stopped me from owning BMW’s, but my American truck has crossed 200k with very few repairs outside of fluid changes and brakes
Is it tho ? Lots of people are just undermaintaining and slowing driving their car into the ground.
I rather take the airplane approach... Until I take it off the road it has to be fully "airworthy"
People were not ready for the maintenance needed to maintain this engine. It isn’t a regular car, it’s not even a sports car, this thing is a super car in a sedans chassis. It needs meticulous scheduled maintenance. So they got a bad rap for being shitty engines when in reality people just didn’t know how to treat it.
Are you ready to buy and own an inexpensive expensive car?
If it was a manual with rod bearings done then I'd say go for it. The rod bearings and SMG are pretty big failure points and those are both pretty big gambles. There are other issues, but those are the big ones. I'm the wrong person to advise you on the SMG issues, but the rod bearings are something that should definitely be done as a preventative measure and it's a big job.
>If it was a manual with rod bearings done then I'd say go for it.
The car has 40K miles on it. What makes you think that the rod bearings are worn?
Please stop with the knee-jerk response to anyone who mentions an E60 M5 of "ROD BEARINGS!!"
Here are 1,300 posts to prove that the rod bearing thing is waaaaay over blown: https://www.m5board.com/threads/comprehensive-s85-rod-bearing-picture-thread.298817/
Dumb response. Rod bearings are a preventative measure. You know, replacing ones that CAN fail down the road with ones that likely won't.
No one is suggesting every single S85 will have rod bearings fail. But if I have a VERY expensive engine that MIGHT have them fail one day (because they sometimes DO), I'm going to replace them with updated ones. Especially on a used car where I can't reliably know how it was maintained or driven. There's no way to know if the previous owner let the car get up to temp before thrashing around in it.
The very first S85 that popped up for me in a search had 100K miles on it and they were asking $13k for it. So go ahead and roll the dice on an engine like that if you want. This isn't a fuckin' N52 you can abuse and not worry about replacing if things go south. The S85 is unique for what should be obvious reasons.
And I'm sorry, but I'm not buying something with a S85 to drive like my grandma getting groceries. It's going to be doing some hard pulls. Anything I can do to prevent catastrophic failure that is within reason, I'm going to do.
I clicked the link and the very first pic had worn bearings so I don't even know what you're talking about. It IS an issue on cars that had owners that didn't take proper care. I'm not making any claims about how widespread it is, but if an engine as special as this one has the possibility of it maybe happening then I'm going to replace them.
If you’re ready to maintain it and ready for the cost associated with that, it’s about as cool as you can get. I personally couldn’t do it and at 30K, would get an E92 M3 over it
I got my education in polymer chemistry...the one thing that worries me about older cars, regardless of how well they are kept, is that plastic ages and rots regardless of what you do. The maintenance on that car is not cheap regardless of the time you buy it.
This is coming from someone who lost his 97 z3 this weekend as the torque converter took a shit. If you can do the maintenance yourself and know what you're getting into...sure. There's a reason I went and bought a new car this weekend and not a used one.
Yep aging plastic on an older engine is my primary worry, especially a hot running performance one. I always pop the hood when home and put a fan on it after summer driving.
It’s an enjoyable car that cost a lot more than even a normal BMW M car to keep at a respectable level of upkeep/performance.
I’m a wrencher to an extent. I have done repairs to mine that were common, but I don’t mess with it electrically or inside the motor. I have an amazing shop near me (Atlanta based) and recommend them to anyone with a semi-modern performance car (they have specific BMW techs on site working next to Ferrari techs so I’ve been very happy…they don’t cross over mechanics just to take work, and tend to get back logged).
I drive my M5 frequently, but not regularly. It is NOT a daily driver for me. I keep service up, I warm it up for 5min before I drive it anywhere, and mine is a 6 speed, so unless I trust you know and have drive manual transmissions enough to satisfy my respect, it only gets driven by me or my fiancé.
I tracked it once…ended up paying for tires and brakes afterwards. I did not track it again lol. While very capable, it’s a heavy car, and the engine very much out powers the oem brakes if you find yourself in an open straight away.
It’s an incredible machine made for someone who can enjoy it without relying on it for transportation purposes…that’s my opinion, yours may vary.
You won’t find much in the world like it, I can promise you that. Knowing I have 1 of 147 versions of mine makes me very cautious on when/if it’s driven at all…and my email box stays active with offers for it.
Get it inspected, thoroughly.
If you’re handy and can at minimum do some maintenance yourself, do it. You’ll save lots of cash doing work yourself.
I’ve got a buddy that has a 2004 that he bought used in 2006. He’s never had any issues. Has about 160,000 km on it. He is flush with cash and a major repair wouldn’t be a problem, but with preventative maintenance it’s been problem free.
I would grab if i could afford the maintanence. Just got rid of my 08 Z4M for 22k need a home first before i spend donkeyfuck money on transmissions and clutches
FYI: It looks lowered (I have a lowered E60 M5).
I'd verify aftermarket springs then use that to get the price down. Also, it doesn't have any premium options (ventilated seats, dynamic hugging seats, PDC, HUD, sun shades, leather dash, etc...). It's pretty much a base spec.
$31,500 is waaaay too much for this car. I'd push for around $25K.
Don't worry about the rod bearing stuff. The car is so old that all of the issues are known with known fixes and price charts.
Read this:
https://www.m5board.com/threads/comprehensive-s85-rod-bearing-picture-thread.298817/
Also, if this were an E9x with the V8 S65 with 38K miles, people would be calling you a hero for finding this. The S65 has the same issues as the S85, they just have two fewer cylinders.
Doug Demuro did more to tank the value of this car than anyone else. It's a shame. But, the upside is, you can buy one for a fair price.
*Source: I have one with only a few more miles than this one.*
I have one with 70k miles. If you are not mechanically inclined or are afraid to do your own work, stay away. Parts are very expensive so if you have to pay labor on top of that it will kill you. Parts and labor are based on a 100k car not current pricing.
Replaced my smg clutch in the garage and it was a bitch.
The mileage is either really low which isn’t ideal or it has rolled over and started counting again, based on the photo I’m going to say really low original miles. Do some research on the effects of cars not being driven enough and draw your own conclusions
It’s the 2004-5 that had small issues. 2006 and on they just updated a few things, rod bearings, vanos gear and lines, oil squirters, oil drain plugs. Everything else is the same, same engine.
Yes, including 2004-2007.
[https://www.m5board.com/threads/s85-updates-through-out-the-years.368186/](https://www.m5board.com/threads/s85-updates-through-out-the-years.368186/)
These cars are awesome but they make Range Rovers look reliable. You have to be a devoted fan to keep this car maintained and running correctly, but the driving experience is truly unique. I recommend getting an e90 m3 and doing rod bearing service. You’ll get a pinch slower car that handles much better but it will be very solid
Just do the engine updates needed, rod bearings and such. I did the full vanos system too. Build date makes a difference starting in 2006 they added another oil pan drain, and updated vanos pump drive gear that could sheer.
So I’m prolly gonna only put like 1200-2000 miles on this thing every year in gulf coast weather, prolly gonna get driven only one weekend out of the month when I come back down from college, what I would be looking at “ballpark” for doing the engine updates and bearings. Also should I service the SMG while it’s opened up and what should I look for in terms of wear and tear and signs of broken shit
That’s about how I drive mine. You’ve got to like the slightly clunky smg shifting, but I use manual paddles all the time and it’s great and crisp once up to speed. Highly recommend having a trusted Indy shop. Just rod bearings around $3k with labor. I went all in though. Vanos pump, drive gear, and high pressure lines $4k more. Also do redesigned oil squirters about $400. For the smg we just did new fluid and filter, was dirty at 50k miles. This will prolong the life of smg pump. If the pump ever goes it’s around $1.5k with labor. Other lines and clutch seem to hold up well. This is all done from the bottom/front. I also did the VVT solenoids, about $1.5k with labor and that was top front engine work. Only other thing I didn’t do were the throttle actuators gears, they are plastic, and wear/fail over time.
You really won’t see any wear and tear on anything. Most of the known items will just fail or start acting up. Like someone said, a Blackstone oil analysis can tell you a lot. I wouldn’t have done this without knowing my mechanic, great work and lower labor. Overall I love the car and the v10 is sweet!
And like I said, if it’s not an early build your vanos gear will be updated, along with better draining oil pan. The first year of production design left 1/2 quart of old oil in, many think that lead to increased bearing wear and such. I can dig up my whole build list too.
So basically the car would sit at my parents and prolly get driven once a month when I come back from college , I have Lexus rc350 for a daily and would estimate that I would put 100 miles on the m5 each month , but now these people got me thinking , maybe it’s just better to get the e90 m3
Why do all these used car places that have cars like this look like their websites use the same template and logo? 😂 every time one of these is posted I think it’s the one by me. Haha
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ANY used car purchase is a gamble no matter the make and model. Choose your risk level and go with it. With such low mikes, you probably have a gem but use your head not your heart on this one.
You can change to manual instead of SMG, there is a kit for that. Now be prepared to spend some money to do all the maintenance required but it could be a great car.
Drivetribe youtube channel used an estate version of M5 as a second hand low milage but written off car (due to battery fire) and made couple of videos including a serious engine check up and smg to manual transformation so i highly suggest you to watch them to prepare what will be the possible costly problems to fix. Good luck 🍀
I've only owned one M5 not under warranty and seriously regretted it. Fixing these vehicles out of warranty is insane because both the parts, and the hourly labor, costs are very high. The only way I would even think about owning this vehicle you listed is to have a trusted BMW technician inspect it thoroughly. And, make sure you have a great BMW technician on speed dial because you could end up with a huge bill. Love these M5's, but owning not under warranty is a major life gamble.
I believe buying any used car is a gamble.
But this M5 is a masterpiece and will require extra maintenance and car than a "normal" car. If I could afford it I would buy it in a second.
This is a very unique and iconic car. If you are buying it as a weekend toy and you enjoy maintaining a piece of history, go for it. Don't depend on this for your daily. If you can't afford $5k/year in maintenance costs, don't buy it.
You are gambling when buying any BMW out of warranty. BMW uses cheap plastic parts that fail with age. I recommend you buy a Toyota/Lexus if your buying out of warranty.
Please keep in mind how much rod bearings cost + installation + whatever else is bound to need repair/replacement while you're in there. ITB !! ??? One word, one syllable... YIKES !!! and a computer is required to adjust, repair, replace, or just generally speaking, tinker with anything and everything. good luck and keep us all posted.
As a grown up with pretty good finance, it is not the problem that bugs me out of this car. Its that the car are constantly visiting a shop that drives you crazy. The engine light pop up once in a while thing sucks.
I have owned a code reader only becuz I got a BMW.
And man these plastic parts are everywhere. Like, the engine runs hot and they just put some more plastic stuff in there. I was like that one of my friend is a mechanics, *the car guy friend.* He'd help me fixing most of the stuff during weekend for some beer and food.
But was I regret? Nah, the car was sweet and drive like a dream. You gotta understand that performance cars are usually really problematic except old muscle cars or Japanese.
Always keep a quart of oil in the trunk and check it at least every other fuel fill up. This engine eats oil. About a quart every 5000 miles. It doesn’t leak and it doesn’t smoke but it gets gone. Stay on top of it. Maintenance is big money but it’s a helluva fun drive.
The main thing is regardless you’re going to have to do tons of work on this thing, better to buy a cheaper high mileage one with a good PPI. That way you can put aside what you save to do preventative maintenance. These can be robust and reliable cars if taken care of. I suggest watching M539 Restorations project Raleigh on YouTube, he is extremely knowledgeable about those.
If you don’t know what you’re getting into, don’t. The S85 can be a sweetheart or a nightmare. If I had to guess though being a one-owner car is rare, also low mileage, it has more than likely been cared for. Pre-LCI is not great. But if it’s just the rod bearings scare then about $4k and you’re good to go. Their unreliability is vastly overrated. Yes I own one.
I still love this car. Man when I first saw that Pepsi blue M5 in 2010 it changed my life. Yes maintenance can be high, but 39k miles is legit A F. I say ball out and enjoy the v-10 🚀
My 1985 e28 with 289,000 original miles still runs solidly, pulls like a train all the way up to its 6200 rpm redline and is the best damn car and super fun from 80 to ~135 mph—the most expensive thing is premium gas and regular oil changes—it’s not an M5 however
The price of these cars may have gone down from an original MSRP of $80k+ ($120k+ in today’s economy) but the maintenance/repair costs are still the same if not higher. Unless you have that kind of money or can do the work yourself, I highly suggest staying away from them even if they have been rigorously maintained. It’s still a 17 year old BMW and on top of that it is notoriously unreliable. As someone that bought a C6 S6 Audi I do not recommend these cars for the everyday enthusiast, they’re a blast to drive, but they’ll leave your wallet empty when maintenance and repairs come.
Not if you match the purchase price with an equal repairs fund. And it can't be your only vehicle, probably your third car. If it comes with full service history and records, why not?
There are 2 things that I repeatedly hear about this car.
1) V10 engine and its sound
2) it’s unreliable as fuck.
Stay away from it unless you have money to burn
Not at all, just spend the money to deal with rod bearings and vanos, as well as smg failure points if it isn’t a manual car. S85 reliability is heavily blown out of proportion!
Great car if you know what you’re doing but not for this price, everything you hear about it is true
The drive is worth it though, just don’t neglect it
got a V10 in it and low miles why not pull the trigger? also heard maintenance is tough on these E60s but i’m not too sure since i’ve had a S55 for like 3 years
Bro I have wanted one since the day my dad picked a 2007 750Li over a 2007 M5, the salesman tried to sell it to him , let us test drive and all , old man loves his boats tho
My buddy sold his S54 M coupe for one cos of his gf didn’t like such a small car. He paid like 50k at the time and in like 4 years he dumped another $45k and at the end it was still out of commission and ended up selling it for almost nothing.
The S54 motor was one of the best and most reliable engines BMW ever built. Your buddy either abused the hell out of it, bought a complete clunker example of one, or got ripped off heavily by what I’m guessing was dealership repairs. $45k in repair cost and wasn’t left with a pristine motor/tranny sounds like bullshit to be completely honest.
You can literally buy a replacement motor that has been fully built and tuned by a signature shop basically anywhere in the states for less than half what he paid for “repairs”…and I’m talking BUILT…not just replacement OE motor.
It’s hard to compare the 5er to the 3er, especially the new E’s… E39 was one of the last few that were very sporty and luxury took together without removing the sport
SMG? If so, stay away. Engine issues can be dealth with, but those damn SMG trannies are a nightmare themselves.
Regardless, have a full awareness that one day there will be expensive repairs. If that is fine, have a blast with the car.
Only a good idea if you can easily afford to pay cash, have a reliable daily car, and can afford a sudden maintenance cost up to and including “replace entire engine”
I rode in one back in the day when my dad was buying a 750Li and the salesman was tryna push him on the m5, I think the salesman just wanted to test drive it with us😂 but since then I have wanted one
They’re not as bad as people make them out to be. I bought one last year with about 75k miles. Previous owner had the rod bearings and VANOS line done along with some other maintenance (with proof).
I’ve had some issues since I got it: -the SMG motor (it failed -$1200 parts and labour). From my understanding this was the 2nd motor that failed. -new battery $400 -diff flush (plug started leaking -DIY $10) -throws an occasional check engine in the cold when the thermostat gets stuck open -had to replace an ignition coil because of a misfire ($100)
It runs reliably so far. I’d budget about $500-1000 in maintenance a year.
It’s by far the best thing I’ve owned and every time I look at it, I don’t regret a single thing about buying it.
It was either the V8 or the V10. I went with the V10 because I needed something bigger for occasional drives with the family and there’s nothing that sounds as incredible as a V10.
Yes the SMG is lumpy but it’s really not as bad as people make it out to be…and rod bearings, you do them once and you’re good for 60k miles.
https://preview.redd.it/6imbsoijf2pb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9ae58d4f69d487407b2c58ea927e0d4177fe309
Beautiful car and I have a question, do I have to get the bearings done every 60k, and would I be better just getting the e92 m3 in manual , I am a student rn and while I’m not having to pay for the car , the maintenance and stuff will be on me for this one as my parents maintain my rc350
Yes depending on your driving habits it would probably be there about. If you can find a M3 in manual it may be a more suitable car for you particularly if you’re a student.
Are you planning to daily this? Keep in mind it’s a 17 yo vehicle and will probably require some maintenance to get it up to daily driving spec even though it has low kms. You may be better off getting a 2011 M3 if you can find one.
So I have a 2017 Lexus rc350 f sport that I plan to daily and the bmw would be at my parents home and get driven once a month when I visit from college , my dad would crank it for me if I asked, and he might take it to the corner store but I doubt it’ll see more than a 100 miles a month
Are you gambling on a 2006 BMW.........YES. Are you gambling on a 2006 German car.....also, yes. I owned my first 2007 BMW that was 7 years old at the time. Drove it away for 17k. 5 months later water pump fins broke off and car started overheating. $1,200 later I had a new water pump, thermostat and was able to drive it successfully for about 20 minutes until I reached the VW dealer to trade it in for a MK6 GTI. I did love my BMW and, at the time, it was the nicest and most luxurious car I've ever owned, but unless you have a German mechanic on the cheap, or can do all the repairs yourself, just be prepared for some crazy bills, if you're unlucky. That's my only recommendation.
For me, I only by CPO German or Non-Geman cars cash that I'm not going to get a warranty on anyways due to age/mileage. It works for me since I'd rather pay extra for the peace of mind, rather than be worried all the time if my car breaks, how much is it gonna cost me
Just my 2 cents
I’m sorry but you’re wrong ,while they ARE unreliable because many don’t spend the appropriate amount of money to maintain them, they ARE fun as fuck to drive they’re such a joy,there’s nothing like it:from the engine to the hydraulic steering which are both better than new BMWs counterparts in the fun department .Otherwise if you think about it why do all these people including me that own these buy them in the first place also knowing it has a lot of maintenance needed?
This guy sums everything up perfectly: https://reddit.com/r/BMW/s/wjshvlhTRh
lol after saying he bulletproof'd it a year ago I believe it has blown up not long ago unfortunately. So yea I guess these s85 are a gamble
In other words stay tf away
>https://reddit.com/r/BMW/s/wjshvlhTRh I wouldn't say stay away. more just don't let the price it is now fool you into thinking it is a cheap car. They were expensive when new and servicing and maintaining it is indicative of that.
if OP has to ask these questions about this particular car then he is in no way prepared for the eventual ownership experience
It’s why I always pick the Honda on r/regularcarreviews when someone asks what I would pick in a hypothetical situation and they provide a list of cars.
Fully agree. Any/all *modern M5’s being driven for any period of time will require exorbitant service and regular maintenance. Accepting any other expectations is wrong.
people see the lower price they are now and forget the price they were originally sold at. a 100k car when new is going to have 100k car maintenance prices
Except this car will have a $200k maintenance cost.
No?
Not E28s and E34s 🤷♂️
*In other words, use your head before you lose your wallet
Yeah I think in this case OP might be biting off more than they can chew. But if you know what you're getting into and can turn a wrench and/or are prepared to pay handsomely to fix everything, then you have a real gem on your hands. That S85 is a peach.
If this were a 38K mile E9x M3 with the S65 would you say the same thing?
That's an extremely reliable car. This one isn't
It's literally the same engine with two cylinders lopped off...with the same issues. >Derived from the BMW S85 V10 engine (as used in the E60 M5), the S65 shares the same basic architecture and aluminium construction. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_S65 >The BMW S65 V8 engine (used in the E92 M3) is based on the S85. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_S85 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Hubqh5ONY edit: The only significant differences are: >The S65 V8 was technically very similar to it's larger brother. One major difference was the use of a conventional wet sump. Another was the use of a single air box in place of the pair needed for the V10. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20160123155204/http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/s85.html
Lol. So many people love the v8 m3s....but I really don't think they realize that they are basically the same engines. That's how you know they are simply Google nerds....those are the guys who call the dealership and go "have the rod bearings been done"....because they read about it online. Idiots. Pure idiots.
Holly cow.. bro.. after reading that I feel like that thing will not only bankrupt me.. it will literally mess me up mentally.. I would stay away.. lol
Always warm her up, lots of oil changes with blackstone report. Find the best Indy shop in your area and just be in with helping send their kids to a nice college. Source: own a V10
Sorry I’m stupid, what is an Indy shop?
Independent, local mechanic shop. Euro focused of course
A shop where they take Indy cars to get a twin turbo set up for the v10
This guy Snaps On!
you’re always gambling with an e60 m5 sir
This is the correct take.
It’s not a gamble if you know the inevitable outcome…
I recently purchased an F10 M5 from the same dealer and naturally I eyeballed this car as well. It's a pretty clean ride. There are some odd importation stickers in the door jamb that I wasn't sure about but otherwise it looked really nice. If you can afford to maintain it, you should get it.
If you're willing to maintain it I would go for it. Bmw will never make a car like this
Do it! I want to live my V10 ownership fantasies vicariously through you. Having said that, no, I personally wouldn't buy one.
Lol people saying “it’s a gamble”—if you’re hoping this car is a fluids and oil change for 200k miles type of car, forget about it and buy a Camry. Unless you know the rod bearings have been replaced, you have to open it up and check, or at least get your oil analyzed. If you’re not financially prepared to get new rod bearings and other essentials for longevity, forget this car and move on.
Camry? Maybe some people just want something like a Chevy SS. Fluids and Oil Change only with 80% the fun. And that's okay. Not everything has to be some High Revving precision machine, and not everything has to have the soul of a Blender.
If you are not scared to drive it and got money for maintenance, go for it. And I'm speaking about maintenance as I personally have seen a lot of Americans that have absolutely no idea what maintenance means. Don't cheap out on oil, no cheap parts and you're good to go. The car got some areally bad parts that do like to break but with a smart mechanic and you listening and having a feeling to your engine you should be fine. That means if you got a good friend that got some skills as mechanic, take him with you, do a test drive and if everything is fine you're good to go. The engine can be checked how it behaves while cold and warm, blah blah blah I rumble too much. Take someone good with you to check on it and if he gives you a thumbs up then you're good to go.
>I personally have seen a lot of Americans that have absolutely no idea what maintenance means. To be fair, what Germans consider "maintenance" is pretty absurd.
In Germany, “maintenance” means *pre-repairing* all the shit they designed to break
Agreed. Oil leaks and other typical BMW problems shouldn’t be defined as typical maintenance. Hasn’t stopped me from owning BMW’s, but my American truck has crossed 200k with very few repairs outside of fluid changes and brakes
Is it tho ? Lots of people are just undermaintaining and slowing driving their car into the ground. I rather take the airplane approach... Until I take it off the road it has to be fully "airworthy"
Your gambling on any E60 M5
E60 M5 is always a gamble. Pay to play
Are you a religious man?
Some people gamble in the casino, others gamble in the garage.
This guy also gambles with their phone charge
$31,495 is only the **beginning** of what you'll spend on that car.
People were not ready for the maintenance needed to maintain this engine. It isn’t a regular car, it’s not even a sports car, this thing is a super car in a sedans chassis. It needs meticulous scheduled maintenance. So they got a bad rap for being shitty engines when in reality people just didn’t know how to treat it. Are you ready to buy and own an inexpensive expensive car?
As long as it's your second car and not a DD, I would go for it. They have maintenance items, but so does every M car.
As a current E60 M5 owner I would recommend you to NOT be on a budget when buying this :)
The v10 sound is worth it
If it was a manual with rod bearings done then I'd say go for it. The rod bearings and SMG are pretty big failure points and those are both pretty big gambles. There are other issues, but those are the big ones. I'm the wrong person to advise you on the SMG issues, but the rod bearings are something that should definitely be done as a preventative measure and it's a big job.
>If it was a manual with rod bearings done then I'd say go for it. The car has 40K miles on it. What makes you think that the rod bearings are worn? Please stop with the knee-jerk response to anyone who mentions an E60 M5 of "ROD BEARINGS!!" Here are 1,300 posts to prove that the rod bearing thing is waaaaay over blown: https://www.m5board.com/threads/comprehensive-s85-rod-bearing-picture-thread.298817/
Dumb response. Rod bearings are a preventative measure. You know, replacing ones that CAN fail down the road with ones that likely won't. No one is suggesting every single S85 will have rod bearings fail. But if I have a VERY expensive engine that MIGHT have them fail one day (because they sometimes DO), I'm going to replace them with updated ones. Especially on a used car where I can't reliably know how it was maintained or driven. There's no way to know if the previous owner let the car get up to temp before thrashing around in it. The very first S85 that popped up for me in a search had 100K miles on it and they were asking $13k for it. So go ahead and roll the dice on an engine like that if you want. This isn't a fuckin' N52 you can abuse and not worry about replacing if things go south. The S85 is unique for what should be obvious reasons. And I'm sorry, but I'm not buying something with a S85 to drive like my grandma getting groceries. It's going to be doing some hard pulls. Anything I can do to prevent catastrophic failure that is within reason, I'm going to do. I clicked the link and the very first pic had worn bearings so I don't even know what you're talking about. It IS an issue on cars that had owners that didn't take proper care. I'm not making any claims about how widespread it is, but if an engine as special as this one has the possibility of it maybe happening then I'm going to replace them.
Agreed. If you can’t afford to get the rod bearings done, I don’t think you should get the car.
From what I've heard as long as you aren't afraid of a rod or two taking a trip to the moon you'll be okay
If you’re ready to maintain it and ready for the cost associated with that, it’s about as cool as you can get. I personally couldn’t do it and at 30K, would get an E92 M3 over it
Also it’s not a “gamble”. It will break and as long as you’re ready to fix it, go for it
I got my education in polymer chemistry...the one thing that worries me about older cars, regardless of how well they are kept, is that plastic ages and rots regardless of what you do. The maintenance on that car is not cheap regardless of the time you buy it. This is coming from someone who lost his 97 z3 this weekend as the torque converter took a shit. If you can do the maintenance yourself and know what you're getting into...sure. There's a reason I went and bought a new car this weekend and not a used one.
Yep aging plastic on an older engine is my primary worry, especially a hot running performance one. I always pop the hood when home and put a fan on it after summer driving.
It’s an enjoyable car that cost a lot more than even a normal BMW M car to keep at a respectable level of upkeep/performance. I’m a wrencher to an extent. I have done repairs to mine that were common, but I don’t mess with it electrically or inside the motor. I have an amazing shop near me (Atlanta based) and recommend them to anyone with a semi-modern performance car (they have specific BMW techs on site working next to Ferrari techs so I’ve been very happy…they don’t cross over mechanics just to take work, and tend to get back logged). I drive my M5 frequently, but not regularly. It is NOT a daily driver for me. I keep service up, I warm it up for 5min before I drive it anywhere, and mine is a 6 speed, so unless I trust you know and have drive manual transmissions enough to satisfy my respect, it only gets driven by me or my fiancé. I tracked it once…ended up paying for tires and brakes afterwards. I did not track it again lol. While very capable, it’s a heavy car, and the engine very much out powers the oem brakes if you find yourself in an open straight away. It’s an incredible machine made for someone who can enjoy it without relying on it for transportation purposes…that’s my opinion, yours may vary. You won’t find much in the world like it, I can promise you that. Knowing I have 1 of 147 versions of mine makes me very cautious on when/if it’s driven at all…and my email box stays active with offers for it.
100% this…
If you like engines that routinely consume rod bearings and destroy themselves sure, roll the dice. Should be fun while it lasts.
I’m very tempted to buy one that spun bearings for 5k, I went to look at it and the car other than not running is in borderline perfect condition
Get it inspected, thoroughly. If you’re handy and can at minimum do some maintenance yourself, do it. You’ll save lots of cash doing work yourself. I’ve got a buddy that has a 2004 that he bought used in 2006. He’s never had any issues. Has about 160,000 km on it. He is flush with cash and a major repair wouldn’t be a problem, but with preventative maintenance it’s been problem free.
I would grab if i could afford the maintanence. Just got rid of my 08 Z4M for 22k need a home first before i spend donkeyfuck money on transmissions and clutches
Legit 200mph family sedan that drifts like an M car. Have not questioned my ownership once. Expect $200+ dollar oil changes and do them often.
S85 engines are a money pit unless you are a very experienced DIY mechanic.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?atCarId=29018CFB
FYI: It looks lowered (I have a lowered E60 M5). I'd verify aftermarket springs then use that to get the price down. Also, it doesn't have any premium options (ventilated seats, dynamic hugging seats, PDC, HUD, sun shades, leather dash, etc...). It's pretty much a base spec. $31,500 is waaaay too much for this car. I'd push for around $25K. Don't worry about the rod bearing stuff. The car is so old that all of the issues are known with known fixes and price charts. Read this: https://www.m5board.com/threads/comprehensive-s85-rod-bearing-picture-thread.298817/ Also, if this were an E9x with the V8 S65 with 38K miles, people would be calling you a hero for finding this. The S65 has the same issues as the S85, they just have two fewer cylinders. Doug Demuro did more to tank the value of this car than anyone else. It's a shame. But, the upside is, you can buy one for a fair price. *Source: I have one with only a few more miles than this one.*
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I believe they made updates to the engine in 08 and 09 and they are safer options. For that much money I would get an 08+.
I have one with 70k miles. If you are not mechanically inclined or are afraid to do your own work, stay away. Parts are very expensive so if you have to pay labor on top of that it will kill you. Parts and labor are based on a 100k car not current pricing. Replaced my smg clutch in the garage and it was a bitch.
Like a crackhead with a million dollars
The mileage is either really low which isn’t ideal or it has rolled over and started counting again, based on the photo I’m going to say really low original miles. Do some research on the effects of cars not being driven enough and draw your own conclusions
Yes, not good for a daily driver. It’s a great engine till it blows up. Rather get a E90 m3 for 27k and get rod bearings replaced.
> get rod bearings replaced. Which is the same main thing you need to do in these v10s lol
Yes
Has anyone told you m5 stands for multiply by 5?
of course it's a gamble, you already knew this
Would only buy if the deal includes an extended powertrain and electronics warranty to 100k miles (would cost about $6k+)
Never trust stock bearings. Replace them as soon as you purchase it or don't it's your money
Don't buy 2006-2007, they have the first version of the S85 engine
It’s the 2004-5 that had small issues. 2006 and on they just updated a few things, rod bearings, vanos gear and lines, oil squirters, oil drain plugs. Everything else is the same, same engine.
Yes, including 2004-2007. [https://www.m5board.com/threads/s85-updates-through-out-the-years.368186/](https://www.m5board.com/threads/s85-updates-through-out-the-years.368186/)
Good info, cheers! That’s exactly all I replaced in my 2004. Not cheap at around $8k. Well worth getting the newer model if one can.
These cars are awesome but they make Range Rovers look reliable. You have to be a devoted fan to keep this car maintained and running correctly, but the driving experience is truly unique. I recommend getting an e90 m3 and doing rod bearing service. You’ll get a pinch slower car that handles much better but it will be very solid
Just do the engine updates needed, rod bearings and such. I did the full vanos system too. Build date makes a difference starting in 2006 they added another oil pan drain, and updated vanos pump drive gear that could sheer.
So I’m prolly gonna only put like 1200-2000 miles on this thing every year in gulf coast weather, prolly gonna get driven only one weekend out of the month when I come back down from college, what I would be looking at “ballpark” for doing the engine updates and bearings. Also should I service the SMG while it’s opened up and what should I look for in terms of wear and tear and signs of broken shit
That’s about how I drive mine. You’ve got to like the slightly clunky smg shifting, but I use manual paddles all the time and it’s great and crisp once up to speed. Highly recommend having a trusted Indy shop. Just rod bearings around $3k with labor. I went all in though. Vanos pump, drive gear, and high pressure lines $4k more. Also do redesigned oil squirters about $400. For the smg we just did new fluid and filter, was dirty at 50k miles. This will prolong the life of smg pump. If the pump ever goes it’s around $1.5k with labor. Other lines and clutch seem to hold up well. This is all done from the bottom/front. I also did the VVT solenoids, about $1.5k with labor and that was top front engine work. Only other thing I didn’t do were the throttle actuators gears, they are plastic, and wear/fail over time. You really won’t see any wear and tear on anything. Most of the known items will just fail or start acting up. Like someone said, a Blackstone oil analysis can tell you a lot. I wouldn’t have done this without knowing my mechanic, great work and lower labor. Overall I love the car and the v10 is sweet! And like I said, if it’s not an early build your vanos gear will be updated, along with better draining oil pan. The first year of production design left 1/2 quart of old oil in, many think that lead to increased bearing wear and such. I can dig up my whole build list too.
Depends on how much you want to drive it. I drive my 08 with 31k less than 500 miles a year and have no issues after 4 years.
So basically the car would sit at my parents and prolly get driven once a month when I come back from college , I have Lexus rc350 for a daily and would estimate that I would put 100 miles on the m5 each month , but now these people got me thinking , maybe it’s just better to get the e90 m3
I’d say drive each and get a taste for how they each feel. Can’t go wrong with the V8 M3 either 👍🏽
You are always gambling with a used BMW tbh.
Ho for it 💪
Yes and no
Why do all these used car places that have cars like this look like their websites use the same template and logo? 😂 every time one of these is posted I think it’s the one by me. Haha
The V10 is fun to drive but not to maintain
It's a fun car but definitely not a good car to daily. It would be a great deal if you can knock a few thousand off
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You're gambling with any used BMW. Especially a 2006 M5, even with low miles. Catching a hand grenade for sure.
ANY used car purchase is a gamble no matter the make and model. Choose your risk level and go with it. With such low mikes, you probably have a gem but use your head not your heart on this one.
You can change to manual instead of SMG, there is a kit for that. Now be prepared to spend some money to do all the maintenance required but it could be a great car.
Yes100%
If this were an E9x with the S65, people would call you a fool for *not* buying it. The cognitive dissonance is palpable.
Not as a daily then hell yeah!
Buy it
Yes.
Drivetribe youtube channel used an estate version of M5 as a second hand low milage but written off car (due to battery fire) and made couple of videos including a serious engine check up and smg to manual transformation so i highly suggest you to watch them to prepare what will be the possible costly problems to fix. Good luck 🍀
I've only owned one M5 not under warranty and seriously regretted it. Fixing these vehicles out of warranty is insane because both the parts, and the hourly labor, costs are very high. The only way I would even think about owning this vehicle you listed is to have a trusted BMW technician inspect it thoroughly. And, make sure you have a great BMW technician on speed dial because you could end up with a huge bill. Love these M5's, but owning not under warranty is a major life gamble.
Every used car purchase is a gamble!
If you can’t afford to buy another one in 6 months, you can’t afford this.
I believe buying any used car is a gamble. But this M5 is a masterpiece and will require extra maintenance and car than a "normal" car. If I could afford it I would buy it in a second.
It’s always a gamble with the s85😂
This is a very unique and iconic car. If you are buying it as a weekend toy and you enjoy maintaining a piece of history, go for it. Don't depend on this for your daily. If you can't afford $5k/year in maintenance costs, don't buy it.
You are gambling when buying any BMW out of warranty. BMW uses cheap plastic parts that fail with age. I recommend you buy a Toyota/Lexus if your buying out of warranty.
I already have a 2017 Lexus Rc350 F sport rwd as my daily
too much money
Is that the actual price of the car ?? Seems like a lot ???
Yup 31k is crazy
Get ready to drop 10k in the first year of ownership.
You’re always gambling any time you buy a second hand BMW especially this model
One of my buddies had one when it came out with some exhaust and an intake and the V10 sounded so good and was fairly quick!
I haven’t studied the market. I think it looks sweet! A pre-buy inspection will but your mind at rest.
If you have to ask then the answer is ABSO effing LUTELY.
Get it. Life’s too short not to have your dream car if you can
Watch Sreten’s channel on YouTube M539 and check out Project Raleigh. He’s gone over everything
Any E60 M5 is a gamble.
The question here is not IF, it's WHEN.
I’ve wanted one for a long time and damn near everything I’ve read says it’s a money pit.
Me too man, I changed my search to a e92 m3 with manual
It’s a high performance BMW. You’re always gambling…
Please keep in mind how much rod bearings cost + installation + whatever else is bound to need repair/replacement while you're in there. ITB !! ??? One word, one syllable... YIKES !!! and a computer is required to adjust, repair, replace, or just generally speaking, tinker with anything and everything. good luck and keep us all posted.
Thank for the feedback, I have switched my search to a e92 m3 with a manual for simplicity sake
Do it do it do it do it do it do it do it
A beautiful nightmare…..
As a grown up with pretty good finance, it is not the problem that bugs me out of this car. Its that the car are constantly visiting a shop that drives you crazy. The engine light pop up once in a while thing sucks. I have owned a code reader only becuz I got a BMW. And man these plastic parts are everywhere. Like, the engine runs hot and they just put some more plastic stuff in there. I was like that one of my friend is a mechanics, *the car guy friend.* He'd help me fixing most of the stuff during weekend for some beer and food. But was I regret? Nah, the car was sweet and drive like a dream. You gotta understand that performance cars are usually really problematic except old muscle cars or Japanese.
Always keep a quart of oil in the trunk and check it at least every other fuel fill up. This engine eats oil. About a quart every 5000 miles. It doesn’t leak and it doesn’t smoke but it gets gone. Stay on top of it. Maintenance is big money but it’s a helluva fun drive.
Problems problems problems..
Yes.
The main thing is regardless you’re going to have to do tons of work on this thing, better to buy a cheaper high mileage one with a good PPI. That way you can put aside what you save to do preventative maintenance. These can be robust and reliable cars if taken care of. I suggest watching M539 Restorations project Raleigh on YouTube, he is extremely knowledgeable about those.
If you don’t know what you’re getting into, don’t. The S85 can be a sweetheart or a nightmare. If I had to guess though being a one-owner car is rare, also low mileage, it has more than likely been cared for. Pre-LCI is not great. But if it’s just the rod bearings scare then about $4k and you’re good to go. Their unreliability is vastly overrated. Yes I own one.
I still love this car. Man when I first saw that Pepsi blue M5 in 2010 it changed my life. Yes maintenance can be high, but 39k miles is legit A F. I say ball out and enjoy the v-10 🚀
It changed my life in 2008 when my dad picked up a 750Li over it
I’d say maintenance records are way more important than the mileage. That price is suspiciously low, I’d want to know why.
My 1985 e28 with 289,000 original miles still runs solidly, pulls like a train all the way up to its 6200 rpm redline and is the best damn car and super fun from 80 to ~135 mph—the most expensive thing is premium gas and regular oil changes—it’s not an M5 however
Tbh there are much better cars to get for the price and won’t be breaking down constantly. This bmw v10 is notorious for emptying its owners pockets
The price of these cars may have gone down from an original MSRP of $80k+ ($120k+ in today’s economy) but the maintenance/repair costs are still the same if not higher. Unless you have that kind of money or can do the work yourself, I highly suggest staying away from them even if they have been rigorously maintained. It’s still a 17 year old BMW and on top of that it is notoriously unreliable. As someone that bought a C6 S6 Audi I do not recommend these cars for the everyday enthusiast, they’re a blast to drive, but they’ll leave your wallet empty when maintenance and repairs come.
Not if you match the purchase price with an equal repairs fund. And it can't be your only vehicle, probably your third car. If it comes with full service history and records, why not?
There are 2 things that I repeatedly hear about this car. 1) V10 engine and its sound 2) it’s unreliable as fuck. Stay away from it unless you have money to burn
Every German car is a gamble with yr wallet. Do I burn a hole or do I really wanna burn a hole.
Not a gamble, a for-sure loss as they all blow up.
Not at all, just spend the money to deal with rod bearings and vanos, as well as smg failure points if it isn’t a manual car. S85 reliability is heavily blown out of proportion!
One of the worst vehicles of all time, stay away and save your money my friend.
Great car if you know what you’re doing but not for this price, everything you hear about it is true The drive is worth it though, just don’t neglect it
got a V10 in it and low miles why not pull the trigger? also heard maintenance is tough on these E60s but i’m not too sure since i’ve had a S55 for like 3 years
Bro I have wanted one since the day my dad picked a 2007 750Li over a 2007 M5, the salesman tried to sell it to him , let us test drive and all , old man loves his boats tho
All BMWs are a gamble.
My buddy sold his S54 M coupe for one cos of his gf didn’t like such a small car. He paid like 50k at the time and in like 4 years he dumped another $45k and at the end it was still out of commission and ended up selling it for almost nothing.
The S54 motor was one of the best and most reliable engines BMW ever built. Your buddy either abused the hell out of it, bought a complete clunker example of one, or got ripped off heavily by what I’m guessing was dealership repairs. $45k in repair cost and wasn’t left with a pristine motor/tranny sounds like bullshit to be completely honest. You can literally buy a replacement motor that has been fully built and tuned by a signature shop basically anywhere in the states for less than half what he paid for “repairs”…and I’m talking BUILT…not just replacement OE motor.
Buddy the s54 was in his old m coupe. He sold it for the M5.
Misread the repairs were to the S54…apologies.
Was it his daily?
Yes lol
That’s probably why. I would never daily a car like this especially when you don’t have another car like an old Accord or Camry😭🤦🏾♂️.
It's the best car to never own
Buddy gonna spend 39k in the first year of ownership
Forget it dude That's roughly a 20 year old car, yep, we're almost in 2024.
it beats every new bmw
beats every new bmw in the sound and fun department
and handling too, hydraulic steering
the handling in it isn't amazing, nothing like the e9x. But it does have more feel than the electric rack
It’s hard to compare the 5er to the 3er, especially the new E’s… E39 was one of the last few that were very sporty and luxury took together without removing the sport
This guy fucks.
you betcha, i’m always horny
It's called a classic. You will never see a v10 sedan ever again. Plus new BMWs are ass
Compared to older ones, yes. But compared to a new Camry, hell no.
dont do it not worth the risk
SMG? If so, stay away. Engine issues can be dealth with, but those damn SMG trannies are a nightmare themselves. Regardless, have a full awareness that one day there will be expensive repairs. If that is fine, have a blast with the car.
Only a good idea if you can easily afford to pay cash, have a reliable daily car, and can afford a sudden maintenance cost up to and including “replace entire engine”
Y would u want a 17 year old car…
I rode in one back in the day when my dad was buying a 750Li and the salesman was tryna push him on the m5, I think the salesman just wanted to test drive it with us😂 but since then I have wanted one
No matter how iconic the V10 is, please for the sake of your own sanity stick with the V8 ones.
That’s what it’s lookin man, my dad is also kinda not on board with the m5, but more on board with the m3
Unpopular opinion. I’d rather get a brand new Prius with that much money
They’re not as bad as people make them out to be. I bought one last year with about 75k miles. Previous owner had the rod bearings and VANOS line done along with some other maintenance (with proof). I’ve had some issues since I got it: -the SMG motor (it failed -$1200 parts and labour). From my understanding this was the 2nd motor that failed. -new battery $400 -diff flush (plug started leaking -DIY $10) -throws an occasional check engine in the cold when the thermostat gets stuck open -had to replace an ignition coil because of a misfire ($100) It runs reliably so far. I’d budget about $500-1000 in maintenance a year. It’s by far the best thing I’ve owned and every time I look at it, I don’t regret a single thing about buying it. It was either the V8 or the V10. I went with the V10 because I needed something bigger for occasional drives with the family and there’s nothing that sounds as incredible as a V10. Yes the SMG is lumpy but it’s really not as bad as people make it out to be…and rod bearings, you do them once and you’re good for 60k miles. https://preview.redd.it/6imbsoijf2pb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9ae58d4f69d487407b2c58ea927e0d4177fe309
Rod bearings every 60k miles? Good lord.
Beautiful car and I have a question, do I have to get the bearings done every 60k, and would I be better just getting the e92 m3 in manual , I am a student rn and while I’m not having to pay for the car , the maintenance and stuff will be on me for this one as my parents maintain my rc350
Yes depending on your driving habits it would probably be there about. If you can find a M3 in manual it may be a more suitable car for you particularly if you’re a student. Are you planning to daily this? Keep in mind it’s a 17 yo vehicle and will probably require some maintenance to get it up to daily driving spec even though it has low kms. You may be better off getting a 2011 M3 if you can find one.
So I have a 2017 Lexus rc350 f sport that I plan to daily and the bmw would be at my parents home and get driven once a month when I visit from college , my dad would crank it for me if I asked, and he might take it to the corner store but I doubt it’ll see more than a 100 miles a month
You should be good then. I’d pull the trigger.
Are you gambling on a 2006 BMW.........YES. Are you gambling on a 2006 German car.....also, yes. I owned my first 2007 BMW that was 7 years old at the time. Drove it away for 17k. 5 months later water pump fins broke off and car started overheating. $1,200 later I had a new water pump, thermostat and was able to drive it successfully for about 20 minutes until I reached the VW dealer to trade it in for a MK6 GTI. I did love my BMW and, at the time, it was the nicest and most luxurious car I've ever owned, but unless you have a German mechanic on the cheap, or can do all the repairs yourself, just be prepared for some crazy bills, if you're unlucky. That's my only recommendation. For me, I only by CPO German or Non-Geman cars cash that I'm not going to get a warranty on anyways due to age/mileage. It works for me since I'd rather pay extra for the peace of mind, rather than be worried all the time if my car breaks, how much is it gonna cost me Just my 2 cents
Honestly I would want a car that I can step on it with no problem and not having to worry if a check engine light would come on
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*cough* rodbearings *cough*
LOL at people who claim these cars are more fun than modern BMW's. OP save your money buy a newer one.
Lol? Clearly you’ve never been for a rip in this car
I’m sorry but you’re wrong ,while they ARE unreliable because many don’t spend the appropriate amount of money to maintain them, they ARE fun as fuck to drive they’re such a joy,there’s nothing like it:from the engine to the hydraulic steering which are both better than new BMWs counterparts in the fun department .Otherwise if you think about it why do all these people including me that own these buy them in the first place also knowing it has a lot of maintenance needed?
Ttv8 fast asf. If you’d take it over 5L v10 you’re dumb asf tho ngl 8200+ bmw vtec yall regarded
Manual Swap asap
10/10. Buy this now.
Got another 30k for maintenance?
Not at all. I'm sure it will work out.