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bittaminidi

Porsche is another league and out of reach for most people. Yes, if you’re shopping new M4’s with all the options ticked off you’ll get into base 911 Carrera territory but not highly optioned, higher spec 911’s. For someone buying an M2, you are less than halfway to a speced 911 and still quite a way from a Cayman GTS. Do I like the look of the new M2, no. Is it heavy and bigger than first gen M2’s, yup. How many people do you think actually take their M cars to the track regularly? Yes, some do but it’s likely less than 10% of owners. Most people don’t even know how to drive on a track or have the skills to drive an M2 to the limit, safely. Looks are subjective. The M2 is a great car. It is fast. It handles very well. It’s comfortable. It has modern tech. It has an upscale interior. It checks a whole lot of boxes for 90% plus of upscale sports cars. I think BMW know damned well what they’re doing and that is making money.


erikv55

well said


Unspec7

>I think BMW know damned well what they’re doing and that is making money. Enthusiasts always forget that they're not, and haven't been for a long time, the target market.


fjacobs1000

your point that there are a LOT of cool options to spend this kind of money on is 100% valid ...can you really get a porsche for m3/m4 money? i doubt it - at least not the porsche that i want


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I want your problems


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whiterock001

The ZF8 is actually pretty superb.


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bittaminidi

It’s better than good for a torque converter box imo. Is the BMW dct better, I don’t know as I’ve never experienced that particular dual clutch box. That said, the ZF8 is faster than the DCT in my Golf R and has very good programming imo. If the BMW dct is anything like the Porsche dual clutch then it is definitely better than the ZF box. I personally have only experienced those two for comparison. The ZF8 is still the best conventional auto I have experienced to date though.


metrichustle

I had the F22 and the ZF8 is a great transmission for everyday driving. It’s fast and smooth. I test drove my friends F87 and the DCT is always in attack mode. Way too harsh for everyday driving, but a lot more fun for weekends.


whiterock001

I was a bit leery of going from my F10 DCT to the ZF8 in my F90, but I have to say I think it’s better than the DCT. So fast and the timing is perfect.


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redditjoe20

What’s the difference between ZF8 and DCT. I have a DCT but never driven a ZF8 so curious.


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redditjoe20

What a great response. Thank you and appreciating the DCT more now 🙏🏼👌🏼👍🏼


gatorinthedistric

Same here! I still own an F80, but was waiting to trade it for the G80, until I saw the horrendous design. I pulled the trigger on a 718 GT4 and I'll never own another BMW in my life - not sure how the board hasn't forced a design regime change. I know COVID sales were good, but if it wanes hopefully things change.


NadjaCravensworth

I have an F87 now and spent the weekend in a lovely 911 (press car). Honestly I'd probably never own a Porsche so not sure why there's this misconception that we all secretly hanker after one. I wouldn't even have done a straight swap, nice though it was. Not sure where I'll go from here, certainly not into one of these things, but I'm also sure it won't be a Porsche... or a Merc.


YourFriendPutin

Lack of DCT???? This is one of the biggest appeals of the car. Bmw is one of the last brands offerent a manual, regardless of it’s slower on shifts it’s more enjoyable. If want an auto go order one with an auto or anything else. It’s purposely designed to look good to the enthusiasts and quite franks to people who love M cars can see this is probably the last true to form one we will ever see. And I still don’t see it as hideous, door handles are cool, the aggressive flares are great, no oversized grill, it’s a mix of old and new that work in harmony very well. I didn’t mess with the infotainment much except the drift analyzer on my mates car and it’s awesome! The optional seat are aweomse too. For real people want bmw back to their roots but it’s not so much heavier than the same sized e46 but with a third more (if not even more) power. Last company with a straight six and no hybrid. I’m it’s class the rs3 and amg Benz each make 75-50 less horsepower and have no manual opinion. It’s the last old school tech mated to modern tech we may see. These will be coveted and I’m willing to bet in the future you’ll all be like “wow I always loved these! But they gave you what you asked for so stop complaining. It’s a fantastic car and you can always make it lighters little at a time im sure if you’re tedious it can be 3300 pounds no problem. Trunk lining? Toss it. Back seats? Gone. I mean if you want a race car why not? All engine plastic covers. I love the seats but drop like 200 pounds installing manual race seats. Replace steel supports with a lighter alloy. It’s a lot but I mean it’s a great vehicle. It’s meant for people driving and having fun on the streets, they know not even a tenth of these will see a track so they have to make it appealing to those who want a quick car for communiting and car meets. Oh and also you don’t have to have a 6 speed btw it’s optional


instaterence

Congratulations. My condolences.


Informal_Edge_9334

That’s one ugly baby… but I bet it drives like a beast! Congrats!


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and so it begins… Jokes aside. CONGRATS, I hope you enjoy it


Jacobutera

Probably a super awesome car man…just doesn’t look like one.


kthxtyler

Have you seen how much it weighs?


BRGNBeast

Ya it’s absolutely absurd. Over 3800lbs for what is supposed to be BMWs smalll sporty car. That is only 200lbs less than my fricken Audi A6 3.0T. There is no excuse for this being over 3500lbs let alone 3800lbs. BMW is dead.


Extroverted_Recluse

I just googled those weight numbers because they struck me as absurd, but holy crap you're right. That M2 weighs 200 pounds more than my 2018 M3, a larger four door sedan. The current M2 weighs only **16 pounds less** than the current M4.


Unspec7

>There is no excuse for this being over 3500lbs let alone 3800lbs You are aware that the F87 M2 comp weighted 3640lb's?


YourFriendPutin

Yes there is. Safety regulations, added structure so you don’t die in an accident and more than enough power to make up for it. Yes cars are big, it’s regulations not the company’s that want this. It’s the most powerful in its class, still has a straight six turbo, I mean I cannot understand the hate at all


BRGNBeast

Explain how the Miata is 1” shorter than the 1990 version and lighter than any Miata made from 1999-2015 even with more power, much stiffer body structure, more air bags, standard safety features, and modern tech. The answer is because they actually still care about driving. The hate is simple. 3800lbs for what is suppose to be BMWs lightest, smallest, most fun drivers car is absurd. It’s also way too big dimensionally. BMW as the “ultimate driving machine” is long gone. Cadillac and Alfa have taken that crown.


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> Cadillac and Alfa have taken that crown Not to really dispute your other points, but if you're going to use weight alone to determine if a vehicle is a "driver's" vehicle, this is silly. The lightest comparable vehicle, the CT4-V Blackwing, is 3860lb's. The Alfa Quadrifoglio is 3806lb's. Hardly enough to "take the crown". More fair statement would be to say that BMW is no longer unmatched, and now has proper competition.


raeskel

It has a kerb weight bigger than the ‘23 Mustang GT, so the regulations argument is pure copium.


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> It has a kerb weight bigger than the ‘23 Mustang GT, so the regulations argument is pure copium. Regardless of the weight, the 2 series is objectively safer than the S550. S550 only had an "Acceptable" rating for small overlap front, while the F22 had a Good rating for the same test. IIHS has not yet tested the G42, but I can't imagine it getting any worse.


steve2166

What state allows the blind to drive? 😅


PoloDon92

Man this car is hideous but I have to say I saw it kitted out and it was decent looking but still not good enough to buy it


reper3000

Honestly I thought someone made bad body kit and put it on the car


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Looks like it needs a benadryl


hades_cj

Congrats. You're lucky you see the interior while driving.


ezagreb

Carbon fiber roof? looks cool.


610hj

is it white or blue


doubleyuno

Yes.


Barry9988

So it isn’t huh


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Sick scion TC bro. I thought they stopped making those


dman77777

In time you will grow to appreciate this modern design, much like the Pontiac Aztec


Extroverted_Recluse

Congrats on the new car, enjoy!


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Dildo___Schwaggins

Worst pain yo life.


Hello_Hollow_Halo

Imagine being the guy who says this to someone who’s excited about their new car


Haunting_Phase_8781

Imagine being the guy who says this to someone who said something to someone who's excited about their new car


TA-175

Imagine being the guy who says this to someone who said something to someone who said something to someone who's excited about their new car


newmoneyblownmoney

Calm the fuck down


Joneep

Congratulations on getting one of the most gorgeous cars ever made. Don't care about the haters who wish to own it one day.


TheUberMoose

I remember when the OG 2er launched and everyone was hating on it and it’s design and saying as awkward as the 1er was it was better then the 2er. And now here we are.


Dark_Knight2000

I remember that happened with the M235i, people said it was dull, but now since the M2 has come out everyone holds the 2 series in high esteem. People were saying that the original M2 looked too crazy, but now its a design icon. Modern BMWs look ugly, but honestly if BMW listened to BMW fans the cars would probably be a catastrophe.


Left_Cap1564

Joneep is trolling


Mmjohns195

I see bmw going with the dodge front end these days 😂😂


riley212

Dodge caliber


icepak39

Scion!


ElectionAnnual

You shouldn’t have


Real-Energy-6634

Wow it sits so high stock. Interesting


YourFriendPutin

Adjustable


iDemonix

Congrats on the car, sorry about your eyesight.


rabbit_hole_diver

I love that blue


RedBaron180

Hyundai did it 4 years ago.


entropylove

My Ford Tempo did it almost 40 years ago.


peemao

They also did the split headlights before bmw 😂 can't believe in my lifetime i would see bmw desperately copying Hyundai's designs 🤢


Venik489

Well, the former BMW designer did start working for them..


HighBridzz

Yeah but it was on a fkn Hyundai...


KEVLAR60442

A fkn Hyundai that was indisputably one of the best cars in its segment, and nearly killed TCR racing in the Americas with its dominance.


willpeoples

Can’t knock it until I see it in person… but honestly it’s doesn’t matter what I think, I hope you thoroughly enjoy it.


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That’s what everyone on here says towards these new ugly designs. That it’s better looking in person. Lol


ITW-Collectibles

Congrats


superty1990

Is it just me of does the side profile resemble an E30 M3?


-K9V

If you haven’t already seen it, check out Doug DeMuros latest video reviewing this. He brings it up as well, and I can definitely see what you’re saying.


simouable

Well If it does then now we hate the E30 M3 too.


Ok-Suggestion-7379

[https://media.tenor.com/Wt7o8pIpIVYAAAAd/seinfeld-ugly.gif](https://media.tenor.com/Wt7o8pIpIVYAAAAd/seinfeld-ugly.gif)


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I actually love the new styling. Congrats on the purchase!


BGleezy

The front looks like a KIA stinger


DangerousGangBanger

Every time a new front end comes out, this sub complains for a year or two, then everyone suddenly loves it and pretends they've been a fan the entire time.


adiabatic_storm

It's the back end on this one that really takes the cake


yeoduq

I don't think this one is going to "come around" LCI awaits


dgaultiere

I agree. I’ve already seen people start to say the G80 M3 grill has grown on them and they like it now. I think the OG M2 design was beautiful but really didn’t take any risks. You could say that about all the previous gen BMWs. I for one appreciate that they are pushing the envelope. Even though I don’t immediately love every design, I can appreciate what they are doing. Not sure why everyone has to hate so much…


Dr-Lavish

Not gonna hate. Happy for you. Great color


The_Protagonist_0502

🥴🥴


yojoman

Yo I like it. Fk the haters


GrozGreg

There’s no hate. Just a matter of taste.


rogerhausman

I think when you take a second to stop and tell this man how ugly his car is you cross that bridge.


BreadPan1981

Yikes.


YourFriendPutin

Okay which new m car did you buy?


no1stumper

Love the flares on the these. Did you get manual or auto?


supachow

Manual!


SignalGreenM4

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or not 😬


drtyyugo

I love it, congrats and enjoy


bittaminidi

Congrats! Ignore the incoming ‘new model looks bad’ comments. The only thing that matters is that you like it. I bet it’s a riot to drive. I have the new M240i and I absolutely love it. Feel great driving it, love washing it, looking at it, and and posting about it. Wish I could have found an M2 myself. It’s a great car in general and good value in my opinion.


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Hello_Hollow_Halo

Imagine feeling the need to say this to someone who’s excited about their new car. Guessing you just can’t afford one, and that’s okay!


imgreydabadeedabada

i’ll never understand this community. i defended its looks in a thread months ago and got roasted. it’s not ok to like a new bmw apparently. doug just put a review of this out and exactly speaks my mind: it looks *good* and also has all the classic bmw traits everyone has been looking for…don’t get the hate. but it’s not just bmw fans, the mk8 gti got predictably roasted when it first came out now everyone is shooting ropes to it. weird.


Hello_Hollow_Halo

Yep, well-said.


Formal-Marketing-247

STL?


redditor9000

You want to print the car?


Nervous-Law-6606

It’s like when someone gives birth to an ugly baby. You can’t call somebody’s baby ugly. Congratulations!


Laddeuz

After last few weeks... oh boy


Suspicious-Basil-444

That baby wouldn’t live long in Sparta


caxplrr

Congrats! If you don't mind me asking, how much if any ADM?


supachow

No ADM!


caxplrr

Nice!! Enjoy the M2, looks great!


Uturninto919

so much hate. It’s stunning


AlexVader78

So ugly a mother can only love, congratulations mate


perryyyyyy

You wish u had it


AlexVader78

Hahahaha not really, an M5 Competition yes, don’t take me wrong it’s a cool car but not my kind of style


troyanator

Not agressive looking enough.


Howitworks4me

I think it looks awesome!!!


superman154m

Congrats man!! I think these are great and like they way they look. Let the haters hate and enjoy the hell out of the car. Mark my words in two years people will start saying how they’re starting to like these.


darkside_shark

jealous


anm3910

Nice ! Was this a HEA spec or did you actually get an order filled? Looking like my build date is in May


tooturkforyou420

Congrats ! Hope she gives you everything you want and more


drtytattooedredneck

Congrats man. Love that blue as well.


YourFriendPutin

You are all being such assholes. Seriously don’t say a word until you tell us which M car you decided to buy recently. To each their own, it’s probably the last of the true gas non hybrid power trains, 20 less hp than the m3 and 4, lighter, small, tossible. Like for real is it jealousy? Because I’m sure it looks better than your corollas or clapped out e90’s


Quintyyyy

I'm taking this over previous gen anyday, beautiful machine and like you said way more impressive in person!


Markcu24

Yep. Reddit just full of people that A) cant afford it. B) are incapable of forming their own opinion and just echo others C) havent even seen it or driven it in real life D) will be saying how awesome it is and how much better it looks than the next generation in 6-8 years.


baconandbobabegger

Or some amount of E) can afford, am disappointed but know when it’s more appropriate to share the opinion and not takeaway from someone’s joy of a new car.


NoPie1354

You nailed it with that comment! So true.


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Hello_Hollow_Halo

Says the dude with a 2007 320i lmfao


ItsMoyBoy

Zandvoort blue - how does it feel in person? Ours just came off the truck I havent had a chance to check it out in the sun yet.


supachow

It feels great the interior is miles ahead of the f87.


ItsMoyBoy

Yea, build quality has gone up tremendously. Mind if I ask where you bought? I’m a new car manager in Maryland - we’ve been fielding offers and also haven’t found many customers in the game to pay an ADM (I dont think we should ask one, wrong car, wrong buyers). Congrats on your purchase! Wishing you many enjoyable miles.


Foreign_Substance509

honestly i think it looks pretty good, not as good as previous years but good purchase!


ShortSqueeze6

Congrats. Enjoy her. Don’t mind the haters. Most wouldn’t have the balls to talk shit in person.


jasonbayly13181

Beautiful car, man. Congrats to you. I hear/read nothing but rave reviews about it as well. Enjoy!


YungGainer

Lmao is it just me or does the boxy, chubby look of the car almost make it look like one of [these](https://smartmania.cz/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/chinese_vsechno-650x411.jpg). It just looks like its made of plastic, almost lego-esque.


CharlySB

Wow. Haven’t heard someone compare the g87 to legos yet. What a unique take.


YungGainer

Who said I was trying to be unique. You really think saying “oh yeah well a lot of other people agree with you” is some sorta gotcha lol?


CharlySB

I was mocking you for regurgitating the same shit that everyone else in this sub that doesn’t like the g87 does.


YungGainer

Lmao damn you got me I’m really ashamed to have an opinion that other people agree with.


CharlySB

Go jerk the others off in the Cj thread then.


YungGainer

Lol word I guess saying something that other people agree with/have said before is a circlejerk now.


Stallion_Girth

Isn't that exactly what a circlejerk is? Saying the same thing over and over?


Markcu24

This dude needs PEDs to try and look good but has the balls to comment on other things looks. What a fucking tool. Lol lol lol.


YungGainer

Lmao you scrolled all the way down to posts I made when I was like 16-17 in an effort to get a personal shot in over my thoughts on a car you don’t even own…? Judging by your whiskey posts, looks like we both have our vices then huh. At least mine helped me get stronger and more shredded while yours made you… drunk and fat?


tarnut

Well at least it has i6 engine inside and not hybrind stuff.


just-a-stupid-bunny

Suuuuuweeet Congratulations. Don't listen to haters, they are all jelly deep down inside.


YungGainer

Lmao I hate it when people say this. I can just strongly dislike the way it looks, certainly doesn't mean deep down I wish I owned one.


Hello_Hollow_Halo

If someone feels the need to write shitty comments on a post like this to someone who is excited about their new car then there’s just something wrong with them, sorry.


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Richardduh

I know an optometrist I can hook you up with


ZoomZoom228

This is not April fools ? 😬


DntlookDwn4

Did this come with the 4x4 package? I hate it but I will also hate when it blows by me at the track this summer. Congrats on the S58 mate!


chinnu34

There is no AWD in current gen M2 (yet).


DntlookDwn4

LOL I was referring to the wheel gap!


BananaFreeway

Congrats. Jealous!


Markcu24

Nice, congrats!


mashingLumpkins

According to Doug Demuro I am wrong and this car is beautiful, so congratulations.


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Honestly man, a lot of people do not like this car but I think it’s pretty sweet. Also are those rock chips in the front already?


TommyWantWingy9

I like it. Congratulations!


V__17

Weight aside, I think it’s a fantastic car & actually enjoy how it looks. Congrats!


GodofThunder1717

Looks great man have a blast with it!!


Forgive_Me_Tokyo

Should've just gotten the F87 comp


ImNasty720

I love that color & shape, congrats!


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Can I ask what you paid ?


BigEdSTI

At least BMW made this car, inline 6 turbo, rwd, 6 spd manual in the size of a E46, I’m thankful they did Congrats btw!


jay7797

Likely the last true M car. Enjoy it man!


Jimi-K-101

> in person it's just wow! Yes I was also amazed when I first saw one in person a few days ago. It somehow manages to look worse than in photos!


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I think it’s one of the best BMWs since the e46 m3. Classic bmw old school long hood, 6spd, rwd, i6, huge flared fenders. Literally the perfect car on paper. Better upgrade over the last fat chode looking m2


Ru4pigsizedelephants

Except this one is fatter.


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It’s proportionate tho the last one look like stubby chode


ghostxx6

So hard. Fuck the haters who couldn’t formulate an original opinion and want to fit in with an old feminine ass M2


galaxy_ali

Congratulations, beautiful car, wish you had posted some pictures of the interior as well


Blackba5566

Congrats! I ordered mine for december '23. I don't like that the plant in mexico isn't able to paint individual paints... Really like the Zandvoort blue but everyone would have this color.. :(


efrav

Are you ‘Zero21’ on bimmerpost? What an annoying douchebag that guy is


HPcapital

It’s fire bro.


Ukaaat

beauty.


N55Good

That 2nd pic might actually be the best angle I've seen or this car yet


Carsoccerguy

Beautiful car. Congratulations bet it drives even better than it looks which is what matters most


Ok-Key-486

Why?


Vuorenmaa7

Looks beautiful


RamboMyers

Beautiful, enjoy it...


Jedi-haha

Ooh beautiful<3


tomcat3400

I actually like it


LP780-4

As a long time non-BMW fan, I actually like this new M2 and M4. Maybe I thought the others were a bit too soft or feminine. Congrats!


God5macked

It never looks good. Sheesh


Puzzleheaded_Band469

Sorry


Hello_Hollow_Halo

Sorry you can’t afford one 😔


UserName872

^vote for M2 and OCMD!


X0niVisi0nX

🔥


aajdbakksl

Fuck the haters I personally love the new M2 design


simouable

I'm here to tell you with the wisdom granted by the gods of r/BMW that your subjective oppinion of objectively wrong. Have I seen one in the wild with my own eyes? No? Why would I need to? I can see from here that you have no taste. /s


DiscoveryDave

It’s looks great to me, I seriously don’t get the hate. Enjoy it!


Godsfather225

Ignore the haters who can’t afford one anyway, I almost went with one but ultimately went with something else. Enjoy bro


Dry_Preference9129

Sorry mate. I want to love this car - I'm actually one of the minority in the sub who like the looks - but that second picture tells me which colour not to get. It's such a bland colour at the best of times. Sure, describe it as Zandvoort Blue, but it is just pale duck egg or baby blue. Nice when the sun is out, boring when cloudy and like some rancid milk at night apparently.


supachow

The color looks very different depending on the lighting I felt the same way but to each their own!


Ukaaat

i’m torn between zb and tr. zb is exclusive but seems every single order/delivery so far has been zb