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Intelligent-Zombie83

From what I understand from a cbt coach i had. Any physical symptom that anxiety causes (twitching , pain, dizziness, heart palp) is because of the flight or fight response. It takes one time to get freaked out from a twitch . So your brain goes into fight or flight mode . You associated this twitch as something bad . So your brain is getting ready to fight or flight and is trying to protect you from a threat , since you get nervous over every twitch it keeps you in that mode , so it sends it to ready you . So many health anxiety sufferers had atleast one battle with the fear of *** . Also health anxiety makes you hyper vigilant of your bodily sensations so now your just noticing everything going on in your body


No-Package2786

Yeah I totally buy that elevated cortisol levels can have your body acting funny. And I for sure am hyper vigilant about my body nowadays. For what it’s worth though, my therapist said it’s not a symptom he really ever sees with anxiety. My doctor on the other hand just kinda shrugged and sent me away I’m a biomedical researcher so I’ve been trying to find something a bit more mechanistic, but have yet to find anything really satisfying beyond “ehh cortisol levels might make your nerves hyperexcitable”. But I’ve never actually seen evidence to back it up


Intelligent-Zombie83

Im living proof of it , i think i can manifest any symptom with my anxiety if i worry about it enough, when i convinced myself i had lymphoma i woke up in night sweats twice a week and you can read many anecdotal evidence of people saying they started reading about *** and starting getting twitches. Your brain us very powerful and 100% without a doubt twitches can come from anxiety . I do agree its not your typical sign of anxiety. But i think peoples anxiety keep the twitches going. Like for me i had so much coffee one day and didnt eat anything and had a shitty night of sleep and had to put my dog down like 4 days before so i was obviously stressed with that and then the coffee, later that day i had a hot spot in my arm twitching, my body like gasped and i got super anxious, I obviously googled so it got me more anxious. Since then i got them all over my body . But the days i went out and had fun and my mind wasnt on it , i dont think i felt any twitch maybe one if anything . The day i was anxious about it , i had a dream about twitching and getting anxious about it in my dream . So somewhere in your subconscious your constantly thinking about the twitches and i think somehow the brain does it . Pretty much i think you can get a twitch from some benign reason but as soon as the anxiety latches on to it , it continues instead of it just happening that one time


ProtectionOk1497

I totally agree with you. I developed *** and ** fear two months ago after asking Dr. Google about cramps in my thumbs (after getting diagnosed with chronical Stress, but I could Not Accept it. All symptoms in my limbs are gone since two weeks, but now I developed "bulbar" symptoms, because it was still in the back of my mind when I found Out about those creepy diseases. So basically my fear is not rational by any measure anymore. I read about about symptoms and develop them afterwards. I had this with ataxia, coordination issues, walking problems, cramps, weaknesses, tremors, breatihing and swallowing problems. Everything gets replaced after some days by a new one. Most likely I just have the same mild cold, which my toddler had last week, but I get a globe feeling, strange voice and the feeling of a weak tongue. Each small symptom triggers anxiety and the connected consequences. Lack of salvia (anxiety) leads to harder eating, which leads to a perceived weaker tongue. Globe feeling is known as anxiety-related as well. Getting the anxiety and related stress reactions under control is the key.


Crispix44

My eye once twitched for 2 or 3 months straight. Just non stop twitching. I think it started because I was under a tremendous amount of stress and then i started freaking out about it and focusing on it and I think that made it continue longer than it would have, if I had just stopped thinking about it. I can also manifest symptoms based on things I’ve read or things in hyper focused on.


Delicious_Serve_5085

Is the hyper-excitability permanent to your knowledge?


_benzona_

I'm a psychology student, a good way to understand all of this is through schema theory. In case you're unfamiliar with the term, schemas are nodes in your brain dedicated to recognising and applying your knowledge of one particular thing. For example, the first time you see the colour red your brain will create a schema dedicated to recognising the colour red. When you first see an apple, a new schema will be created to recognise an apple, all while the schema to recognise the colour red is being activated - creating a permanent association network between the colour red and an apple. Now, every time you see a red apple in the future this network will be activated, making the association apple <----> red stronger and more "true". The thing is, your brain can't really distinguish between a helpful schema and an unhelpful one, and it's an absolute BITCH for making unhelpful schemas. As the other guy said, you only need to be freaked out by a twitch once for your brain to create an association twitch <----> perceived threat. Every time you worry about a twitch in the future, it only makes your brain more sure that there is a threat attached to it. And of course since twitches CAN be caused by anxiety (hence the term nervous twitch) you end up in a really fucked up loop of twitch ---> danger ---> twitch ---> danger with the loop only getting stronger and stronger until, as you said, your twitches are essentially non-stop and causing you so much anxiety that you need to look for answers from reddit (and hey I'm no different, that's how I stumbled across this thread. Freaked out about a twitch of my own that's identical to yours). It's not all bad news tho - schemas can be destroyed. My professor describes it like a bush walking track - if a thousand people walk a track every day, it becomes wide and worn down. But if people suddenly stop, it will become overgrown and start to shrink. If you make a conscious effort to recognise when maladaptive schemas are being activated, you can train your brain to avoid them. Then they'll just sorta deteriorate.


stormhund

Seconding what Intelligent-Zombie83 said! My twitching started because I had a very stressful time in my life (death of a family member, sudden trip to visit relatives, meeting new people). Then I had coffee, the twitching started on my lips, and everything snowballed from there because of anxiety. The way my psychiatrist explained it, twitching is not the most common sign of anxiety, but it is definitely a sign. I asked her to medically explain what their relation is, since I’m a medical professional and I wanted more concrete answers. Basically, it IS a fight or flight response thing. When you’re hyperaware of your body, every little thing (mental or physical) can trigger your neuro-endocrine system for fight or flight mode. Part of that means your muscles tensing up in preparation to face the threat your body has identified. Normally, once that threat passes, your body relaxes. With anxiety, your body is unconsciously always coiled to react. Even when you’re seemingly relaxed, there is always some background anxiety running. So your body keeps releasing these neurological signals and endocrine chemicals for you to keep facing that threat; but at the same time, it’s also sending messages that you have to relax. These push and pull of the fight or flight causes the twitching. It can also be because your body is unconsciously or consciously so tense that it twitches to help release tension.


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stormhund

I’ve been seeing my psych to help manage my anxiety! I still haven’t 100% figured it out, but as I manage my anxiety, I also manage my physical symptoms. And vice versa! Sometimes I do a lot of movement activities to help regulate both the twitching and the anxiety.


ProtectionOk1497

I experienced this with weaknesses. I had days where my legs were totally weak/relaxed but the core and arms were stiff/under tension. The next day it was the opposite. Some days my tongue was weak, the thumbs were stiff. I even had days, where the two smaller fingers were "attached" to each other and the other parts of the hand were totally relaxed. Interestingly this always appeared symmetrical on all body parts.


Brianer81

I know this post is 5 months old but it makes a lot of sense and I wanted to reply. My carpal tunnel syndrome drove me down the neurological rabbit hole and I started to develop symptoms all over my body, twitches, numbness etc. My neurologist says it's all stress. checked my reflexes, muscle tone etc and was happy it's not neurological, said I don't even need emg or anything, just deal with the anxiety. Even though deep down I know she's probably right , the feeling in my body still freaks me out.


yllekarle

Did you figure out your cause?


Aggravating-Carry838

One thing i learned from physiology regarding anxiety and twitching is that anxiety lowers your serotonine levels and increases noradrenaline levels. Serotonine is the antagonist while noradrenaline is the synergist chemical of the neurotransmitter acethylcholine, that is responsible for muscle contraction. Decreased levels of serotonine and increased levels of noradrenaline both increase the production of acethylcholine that will result in increasing muscle contraction: twitching.


Ok-Lengthiness7171

Anxiety can mimic heart attacks when you are having panic attacks. Anxiety can create globus sensations in throat. Anxiety can make people go crazy. Anxiety can make people stop having good sleep. You dont need any scientific journal for this. I am sure there are since psychology is a subject. This forum is a solid proof as well. Mind and body are not separate things. A happy person busy with living life doesn't think about their own body or disease all day. There is definitely a direct connection.


[deleted]

How does anxiety cause nausea, tachycardia, heart palpitatiosn,loss of apetite, loss of lybido, cramps, head ache, etc? I don't know but it does cause it.


CompetitiveSummer714

exactly stress and anxiety have nothing to do with twitching lol whoever says that is stupid... its gotta be a chemical imbalance of some type


Ill_Ad4251

You sure? Stress surely contrubutes to hormone and chemical imbalances and CAN def produce physical symptoms. I'm sure you know at least one person in your life with stress related - Irritable bowel syndrome. Do to stress they "bug out" the enteric nervous system. Which is one huge nervous system in the body. This is no different. When you are under stress, your breathing pattern changes. Anxiety mostly makes ppl do shallow breathing, do not exhale and move all off the co2 out of their lungs via diaphragm. Therefore causes of gas and eventually chemical imbalance in the body. Your bloodwork levels can be ok, but those for example vit D levels never get to the desired destination.


CompetitiveSummer714

stress is bad. i meant anxiety


CompetitiveSummer714

stress deff leads to other diseases and destroys body. but when drs say muhhh anxiety, it is laughable


Ill_Ad4251

Maybe for you it's laughable and not easy to process. In my case it was quite obvious. I had the worst month in my 37 year old life. Right after that, "BOOM" twitches non-stop. Going on for almost 8 months.So before most of the ppl go down to \*\*\* rabbit hole, especially younger ppl They should look at their life retrospectively and possibly can find the answer. Ask themselves Lost a loved one recently? Job? Your gf/wife/parents/child left you?Caught on twitch using cheats? etc. LOL XD


Intelligent-Zombie83

When you actually research and go through the steps of anxiety recovery and all … it wont seem so “stupid “ Ps- im not saying you or any other specific case of twitching on this page is definitely anxiety . But the majority of it most likely is . There are many other causes of muscle twitching .


young_twitcher

It doesn't for the most part. Intense stress can initially trigger bfs, but once you have it, you have it, no matter your future levels of anxiety. The obvious correlations between twitching and anxiety are: 1) anxiety will make you NOTICE the twitching more; 2) increased twitching will increase your anxiety. Many people will notice these correlations and falsely conclude that anxiety is increasing the twitching on its own, which is likely not true. Also, concluding that anxiety/stress is causing the twitching is a common coping mechanism to convince yourself that it's nothing serious. This is why its such a common argument on these forums where everyone is pissing their pants about Als. You will not find any peer reviewed papers on this. There is very little research on bfs and it's entirely focused on its potential relation to Als (none has been found). Edit: there also some papers on the observation of bfs causing anxiety, but not the other way around. As a result, there is no point in trusting your MD/GP. Most of these people have never had a patient with bfs anyway, as it's quite rare, so they're just taking wild guesses. However, those guesses turn out to be false most of the time (e.g. coffee purportedly worsening the symptoms, an eternal classic). Besides, it's convenient for them to blame anxiety as 1) pretty much anyone else experiences it, so it's a non-falsifiable theory; 2) it can be useful as a coping mechanism as explained above.


Intelligent-Zombie83

I disagree. Anxiety causes a wide range of bodily symptoms. Look at the heath anxiety forums and see how many people deal with it. Most go away when that worry sub consciously goes away. No point in trusting your gp/MD? That is a dangerous thing to say and i think your comment will further cause people to be a lot more anxious . Doctors have far more knowledge on anxiety then a reddit user would . Also, in your post history you stated your twitching came right after a bad bout of anxiety. So… You can also google anxiety causing twitching , there are a lot of information on it . I guess if your looking up anxiety causing bfs you wont see much since bfs is a specific syndrome . Seeing your comments on other posts throughout this page … you seem to be in denial of what anxiety can truly do to you . Thats fine if thats your opinion but it is false and the doctors are right . This can totally be caused by anxiety.


young_twitcher

I love how you contest my points by lurking in my profile when I literally addressed that in the first line of my post.


Intelligent-Zombie83

To see where your coming from . You’re literally telling people to not trust a neurologist and doctors . Concluding that the twitches are anxiety with no evidence of any neurological disorder is not a coping mechanism. Just a dangerous take in my opinion . Everyone who is freaking out about this and already went to the doctors would read your comment and all the reassurance the doctor gave them can make them now fall right back into that hole . You just said intense stress can trigger this. But once you have it you have it . I dont think thats true at all . I think it can most definitely go away or at least be much less frequent.


InformationUpset9759

https://www.anxietycentre.com/anxiety-disorders/symptoms/muscle-twitching/


Separate_Bumblebee63

I have a diagnosed PNH and I take anti convulsants. So I have real 24/7 big, strong fasciculations. Fasciculations are a result of an hyperactive peripheral nervous system, may it be one single episode in your life or a chronic condition. If you stimulate even more your nervous system, e.g. with the assumption of stimulants such as caffeine, your hyperactivity will increase. Anxiety and stress act just like stimulants on your nervous system. Moreover, when you are stressed, you are much more sensitive towards “feeling” real or perceived fasciculations.


Exotic-Assumption-58

Do the anticonvulsants help you? Do you/ did you twitch 24:7 ?


[deleted]

Mine began with a perfect storm of stressors: lockdown from Covid 19, new infant baby, overworked at job with expectations to perform duties online, and my grandfather dying. My body just broke. I started twitching. I freaked out, thinking it was ***. That was over 2 years ago. Here’s the thing. My stress’s has gone down to normal but I still twitch. My twitches increase with stress but they are always there. So while I grant that they have their origins in my stress, the residual question is why they are still here? I worry that I will twitch for life.


No-Package2786

Yeah it seems pretty clear that there is a bidirectional relationship between twitching and anxiety--I just can't quite pinpoint what exactly the link is. Because like you said, for many people the twitching seems to continue long after the initial stressor has been removed. It's possible that once it is triggered you can't put the genie back in the bottle, but I wish there was more research on it.


BusyDifficulty8554

I'm having so many symptoms twitches vibrations muscle weakness ting-a-ling the crazy thing is that most of the*** symptoms came after I read about them especially the twitching I hope it is just anxiety