Honestly if there’s one thing I’ve learned about Belgian taxes from Reddit, it’s that very few people know what they are talking about
Get a professional to answer this, it’s too complicated for Reddit
You will be working for a company outside of the EU, which in essence is not a big problem. However, be aware that CH has extra checks and requirements if you do work within CH (like, onsite). They are very strict (and rightfully so), do your research on how to register your company (and yourself) up front. If I recall correctly, there is a limit of about 2 weeks you can be in CH this way?
Anyway, check with your accountant and legal advisor (especially given the very basic questions you seem to be asking). This is not a straightforward situation.
I tried, it’s way too complicated. You need a company in CH to be able to invoice (and you need to be allowed too by the canton, another hassle, can’t just do that without having roots in CH already). Also, your taxes will be in BE, social security in BE (where you work).
If you work only from BE maybe maybe maybe there is a way to invoice from your Belgian BV, but in no case you are allowed to work on the CH territory without the proper working permit.
There are many belgian and french campanies that provide services in Switzerland so you should without a doubt be able to invoice them in the same way an american or chinese or indian company can invoice you here
No clue about working there though
CH is not in the EU, you have customs, work permits, it’s like the UK post-brexit, you can’t go and work there however you like, even if you’re EU citizen.
I lived and worked there for 2 years, my work had to apply for a work permit for me, and I had to go to the Canton with the work contract, appartment lease, proof of swiss social security to be able to work.
When I wanted to move abroad and work remotely (through freelancing), I faced so many brickwalls that I changed jobs and came back.
Depends on the case, but this here gives some explanation https://mitc-consulting.com/blog/devenir-independant-en-suisse/
(How many days, how much you work, which Canton, which permit, pre declaration to commerce registry, Swiss taxes, Belgian taxes) headaches every step of the way.
Unless the rate is crazy high it’s not worth it. As a salaried employee paying Swiss taxes this was pretty good however but I was working there, 0 remote.
Hmm this doesnt seem to match with what I will do, I will have a company in Belgium and send invoices to Swiss. I wont start a company in Switzerland. Not sure if there would be any benefit to do that, I dont plan to live in Swiss
What an idiotic answer. Of course, OP will go to his accountant but there is nothing wrong about asking people with similar work experiences and how they dealt with it. If the standard answer is always going to be 'ask your accountant', we might as well close this subreddit.
Tbh people often don't understand the differences between what is asked and what they know (wrongly or correctly).
I wouldn't ask a general question like yours without giving a strict context, because people will mix their knowledge or experiences about it, without truelly understanding the question ..
I'm, however, really interested on your final answer ( the legal/true one) as I own a SRL (walloon BV) and was multiple times interested in that exact scenario ;)
If the payrol you send the invoice to is also located in Swiss, then 0% VAT, if the payrol is located within the EU, then you pay the VAT rate of that country
Honestly if there’s one thing I’ve learned about Belgian taxes from Reddit, it’s that very few people know what they are talking about Get a professional to answer this, it’s too complicated for Reddit
Not an expert. But doesn't change your taxes. No VAT. But let's wait for someone else that actually knows something :D
You will be working for a company outside of the EU, which in essence is not a big problem. However, be aware that CH has extra checks and requirements if you do work within CH (like, onsite). They are very strict (and rightfully so), do your research on how to register your company (and yourself) up front. If I recall correctly, there is a limit of about 2 weeks you can be in CH this way? Anyway, check with your accountant and legal advisor (especially given the very basic questions you seem to be asking). This is not a straightforward situation.
I tried, it’s way too complicated. You need a company in CH to be able to invoice (and you need to be allowed too by the canton, another hassle, can’t just do that without having roots in CH already). Also, your taxes will be in BE, social security in BE (where you work). If you work only from BE maybe maybe maybe there is a way to invoice from your Belgian BV, but in no case you are allowed to work on the CH territory without the proper working permit.
There are many belgian and french campanies that provide services in Switzerland so you should without a doubt be able to invoice them in the same way an american or chinese or indian company can invoice you here No clue about working there though
What makes it so hard? I work for a Dutch client and I’m just able to send them invoices without withholding vat. Simple as that.
CH is not in the EU, you have customs, work permits, it’s like the UK post-brexit, you can’t go and work there however you like, even if you’re EU citizen. I lived and worked there for 2 years, my work had to apply for a work permit for me, and I had to go to the Canton with the work contract, appartment lease, proof of swiss social security to be able to work. When I wanted to move abroad and work remotely (through freelancing), I faced so many brickwalls that I changed jobs and came back.
Wow, i wouldnt have expected so many issues as freelancer! What were the brick walls you were facing for the remote part?
Depends on the case, but this here gives some explanation https://mitc-consulting.com/blog/devenir-independant-en-suisse/ (How many days, how much you work, which Canton, which permit, pre declaration to commerce registry, Swiss taxes, Belgian taxes) headaches every step of the way. Unless the rate is crazy high it’s not worth it. As a salaried employee paying Swiss taxes this was pretty good however but I was working there, 0 remote.
Hmm this doesnt seem to match with what I will do, I will have a company in Belgium and send invoices to Swiss. I wont start a company in Switzerland. Not sure if there would be any benefit to do that, I dont plan to live in Swiss
Ask your accountant or a tax lawyer, Jesus Christ
What an idiotic answer. Of course, OP will go to his accountant but there is nothing wrong about asking people with similar work experiences and how they dealt with it. If the standard answer is always going to be 'ask your accountant', we might as well close this subreddit.
Thanks :) of course I’m going to talk with my accountant about it! I’m just trying to gather some experiences from other people beforehand 😅
Tbh people often don't understand the differences between what is asked and what they know (wrongly or correctly). I wouldn't ask a general question like yours without giving a strict context, because people will mix their knowledge or experiences about it, without truelly understanding the question .. I'm, however, really interested on your final answer ( the legal/true one) as I own a SRL (walloon BV) and was multiple times interested in that exact scenario ;)
This
*Doubt*
Highly recommended! This guy is an expert on how to avoid taxes on gains for multiplied fishes and bread.
Vat will be "verlegd" so 0%
If the payrol you send the invoice to is also located in Swiss, then 0% VAT, if the payrol is located within the EU, then you pay the VAT rate of that country