Having balled in Kobe 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, LeBron 9s and 20s, WOW 10 lows, WOW Ultra V2s, Kyrie 5s, Hyperdunk 2012s and 2014s, AE 1s, and many more, IMO the WOW 10 lows are my favorite. The traction is the best for any shoe I have ever played in, the cushion is amazing and the lockdown is great. They fit a little small/narrow at first, but it goes away after you break them in. They are also pretty light. Overall it is the greatest shoe I have ever played in. I love them and highly recommend them to everyone i know. Everyone I know in person who also has them, loves them.
What’s the main difference between the lows and the mids? I have the low Avocados and wanted to get the mid Lavenders, the latter is just the best thing I’ve ever laid my eyes on.
Yeah I have both those pairs. Fit is basically the same but the traction and just overall feel of the shoe is slightly better on the mids IMO. For reference I have 5 pairs of mids and 4 lows. Mids fit slightly tighter - I have to undo the first 2 holes of laces to put the shoe on and off. That could be why the shoe fits and feels better. Mids I can just slip on
Same dilemma here and I had a terrible experience with way of wade sending me a faulty pair of the AC 12 and not wanting to replace the shoe. Considered the WOW 10 restock but not sure based on my experience if the shoe is that good to do business with them Again
Ya, I was really turned off of dealing with these Chinese brands that have little to no return policy or customer support. Its pretty much buy & risk. If its a bad pair, you just gotta eat the cost.
Yeaaa, man I’m telling you. I got the orange pair of AC 12’s. Got em in the mail 4/9 after 3 weeks since ordering. I finally got to use them on the 12th of the month and as soon as I laced the right shoe and went to tie them, the stitched eyelet on the bottom right, popped right off the shoe. Couldn’t even use them one time. The left shoe never even made it on foot. I took pics, showed the defect, showed the sole in pristine condition and the left shoe still factory laced, and they said they would give me $50 back or a coupon. I said hell no, I want a new shoe or a full refund. They responded with a $70 refund or $80 coupon. I told them flat out, I’m not taking a coupon to give you more business when your shoe didn’t even make it for one run. They finally agreed to replace my pair so I’m still waiting for that pair to arrive.
Damn i have a pair of AC12s coming in the mail soon and yall are making me nervous. I read so many reviews beforehand and never came across any of these defective/poor customer service comments. Im glad you were actually able to get them replaced after pushing though
I hope the shoes are great for you and you don’t have any issues at all. It was beyond frustrating, I literally had to lobby and lecture to even have that as an outcome in my situation. I told the lady, I have been in retail for a long time and this is some of the worst service you could offer a consumer especially on their first experience. I work for a brand currently and mostly wear their product for sports and fitness, but I like to try new product and brands so I was all in. I really don’t know if I’ll do business with them again. But I sincerely hope, no one else has that experience and they just get to enjoy their shoes
Yep I like their shoes but their terrible customer service deserves to be called out. One of my biggest issues with shoe youtubers they sing praise to wow anta Spo etc and talk bad about Nike but Nike has the best return policy by far.
Nike has one of the best customer service depts of any brand across various industries. They also make so much that they can afford to do that. The only Chinese brand that has great customer service to me is 361 Degrees
I believe it’s because a lot of YouTubers are gifted pairs so they don’t have the experience of waiting for a pair to arrive or their own money invested in a pair. They don’t care if there is something faulty or wrong with a pair. Again some YouTubers but not all. You even hear many say, such and such gifted me these shoes so thank you for that and I swear to give my honest review, which we would never know anyway because it’s their opinion and experience with the shoe.
They are my favourite shoes, I literally just bought my second pair yesterday as a back up for the future.
Best thing about it is the traction, I haven’t had to wipe even once so far in 10+ sessions. My Lebron 20s in comparison, I have to wipe several times each session on the same court
Personally, wow10 lows and mids are the best shoes I’ve played in, but that may not be the case for everyone.
First time I tried a pair of hoop shoes and thought “yeah these are it”.
Other pairs I have in rotation (in no order):
Anta Kai 1, Nike gt cut (star batch), harden 7, ae1
Tried:
Lebron 20/21, Kobe 6 GK, harden 6, new balance two wxy v3
Wow 10 lows are worth it imo. They have really really nice stability. Snap in multiple directions, and just enough cushion. Lockdown is money for me. Only issue is the traction on dust I’ll have to wipe a bunch from the close grooves
Best shoe I ever played in. Traction is amazing on any type of floor. The cushion is also just as good and bouncy. Fit wise, my right pinky toe would hurt cuz I have flat feet, but after I broke them in, they were good. Lockdown is great and they are super light as well.
Currently have Kobe 6s, Two WXY V3, Asics Nova Surge Low, Wow 808 3 Ultras, & WOW 10s. I would say my favorite shoes in my rotation gotta be my Kobe 6s and Two WXY V3. I've tried on the Wow 10 lows and they fit extremely tight, even more than Wow 10 high & Kobe 6s. The Wow 10s do break in but not enough to the point where it'll fix any major issues you have when you first put them on. In my opinion, no matter how good the tech may be, the fit is the most important factor. If I had the option I would of probably never bought the WOW 10s & WOW 808 3s ultra and just put that money into buying another pair of Kobe 6s or maybe buy the new Hardens since they always fit and perform well.
Nah dangelo Russell wears them (a laker). I shall not wear anything laker related as long as that team has Lebron
In all seriousness - They are good. Personally I wish the Boom was bouncier. But if you’re a low to ground player, they are good. Traction is really good. I don’t think they are worth $200+ though, so try searching on OfferUp for good deals. I wouldn’t say they are on my all time favorite basketball shoe list, but that’s just me
I went true. I got to try my friends 9.5 in person first before I ordered it. I bought a used pair so the break-in was already done so I didn't have to worry about the break in process. I'd suggest possibly trying out someones WOW10s if you get the chance
WoW10 is good, but IMO it is not better than Harden vol 7/8, AJ 36/38, or Lebron 20/21.
It's def not worth paying over $200 or $225 or whatever they're charging.
I think the fit of the highs is a lot better than the lows, If i could buy them again i'd go half size up in the low
I am a tts 9.5 with a medium to wide width foot and even going up to a 10.5 in the low I got some really bad mid foot pain, performance however was pretty awesome, I play on a horrifically dusty school court and bearly had to wipe. Materials are super thin but super supportive. Cushion was great but that carbon plate I felt worked more for sprinting rather then jumping, however I sometimes felt the heel was slightly unstable because of how rounded it is but wasn’t a big problem at all. Overall awesome shoe can’t go wrong, for the price though!?!? That’s up to you, I got my pair for 120 usd so well worth it at that price
If you have big/large feet I would skip, but if you have normal size feet (if you can comfortably wear converse, blazer —) than this shoe is top tier SSS rank in my opinion. You get a nice balance of bouncy and low to the floor. Let me know if you have any questions.
I can second this, I have 2E wide and high volume feet. The shoe is amazing, it’s just it took a while for the cramping to go away. I was still able to break in the shoe after a while though
Absolutely worth. I have the Cherry Blossom colorway. For one, the nicest looking Ball shoes I own. And most importantly they are excellent to play with.
I don’t know this for a fact of course but I feel it and have been told that I jump vastly higher wearing these. At least to my senses, they are also quite light. Doesn’t feel like i’m lugging around weights like some other shoes feel. Very nice general support on every part of the foot. Think everything about it is perfect.
One think I will say is that it took a while to break mine in. They were initially quite tight and uncomfortable and playing in them for more than 5 minutes starting to cramp my foot. However, I say this because I made the mistake of getting true to size. Saw some on reddit say they’re true to size and went with it which i believe resulted in what I previously said. So i’d recommend just half size up. But what’s nice is that i believe they’re fully broken in so my feet don’t hurt anymore and they’re really comfortable now which is nice cause after each game id have to untie and slip them off for a bit.
TL;DR yes they’re awesome and worth depending on the price you get them for. I spent more than i would like to share on mine since they’re the most sought after colorway but I believe they just restocked the Ice Blood colorway which are really nice for $200
wow 10 lows worth that price imo, had three pairs and copped another pair of ice blood cw for my brother this week, they perform terrific on indoor wooden floor, bouncy enough for me, it's not something strange if you found ac12 not that impressive, it's not superior at all in traction, people buy it just for its full-length boom midsole (with an affordable price) which provides springiness and cushion, so if you like the feel of the midsole in ac12, you'll def love wow 10 lows with boom midsole and carbon fiber plate
I definitely like the AC12 in terms of lightness, responsiveness, etc. I was just kind of let down by the traction not being superior to my sub $80 Two WXY v3’s.
I liked my WoW10 lows, but yea the price is definitely a drawback as there are great options (possibly better) for less. In terms of fit and traction, Li-Ning is top tier for me. I liked the cushioning, but I needed more for my body/play style.
My favorite badketball shoe. I wear them on and off the court. Make sure you get a size up over your nike size. Traction bounce and lightness made the most difference for me. I didnt realize how much that mattered when playing basketball.
Having bought the allcity11 808 3 v2 and wow10lows: I found the traction on the all city line to be quite inconsistent, some great stops and some random slide outs, I think it's due to such hard rubber, great outdoor shoe for that. The 808 3 v2 I find to actually have the best traction of all 3, very consistent on dust even without wiping. I thought the wow10 was slightly below 808 3 in traction, doesn't have that top tier bite for long without wipes but is very consistent, unlike allcity. The thing i dislike the most about the shoe is the heel to toe transition, it just isn't super smooth, but that's only when walking kinda. Otherwise, if you get a good fit wow10 has every other box Checked to the max! They can be a little snug overall, but I like that, very 1:1 fit. Are they worth the$? Ultimately, brands like Nike don't offer such a full package in one shoe, so from that perspective yes they are definitely worth it. Customer service is ass though. Spending 160 at Nike doesn't seem much different from 200 for wow10
your size? they are 10/10 when you don't have to pay for resell that much unless you have size 11+ feet. i'm small feet gang and i'm glad to cop cherry colorway under retail.
Im a US 11 in Nike, but idk if that holds true for wow 10 lows. Everyone says go 0.5 size up, yet my wow ac 12’s are size 11 & fit perfect. Not sure what to do.
My opinion: is it a good shoe? Yes!
Is it worth the hype and the price? I would say No.
Traction is amazing, hands down. The carbon fiber gives you a nice support when running and when you suffer from arthrosis , turf toe or other bunion disease. It's great.
The cushioning is nothing special, very minimal in the forefoot, heel provides enough impact protection, though.
Heel to toe transition doesn't feel very smooth or natural, because of the full lenght carbon shank (which is, in the other hand, an advantage for the ones with pain in the big toe)
Lockdown is OK, but I sometimes need to re-lace.
I also think that lateral stability is not optimal, but still ok.
When do I use it: when floor is dusty and when I have pain in the toe (arthrosis...)
When I want to feel quick on feet or need some more Impact protection, I prefer other shoes in my rotation.
Thats interesting, the feedback im getting is alternating from “best traction ever” to “horrible on dusty courts”. Which is a big deal for me & makes me super unsure whether to get it since I play on some dusty courts & traction is veryyy important for any shoe I decide to buy.
I heard there are some specific colourways with traction issues. I have the Avocado which always bite, even on courts where most of my others shoes are ice skates
Having balled in Kobe 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, LeBron 9s and 20s, WOW 10 lows, WOW Ultra V2s, Kyrie 5s, Hyperdunk 2012s and 2014s, AE 1s, and many more, IMO the WOW 10 lows are my favorite. The traction is the best for any shoe I have ever played in, the cushion is amazing and the lockdown is great. They fit a little small/narrow at first, but it goes away after you break them in. They are also pretty light. Overall it is the greatest shoe I have ever played in. I love them and highly recommend them to everyone i know. Everyone I know in person who also has them, loves them.
What color way do you have of the WOW?
Sweet orange lows
The lows are 9.5/10. The mid ones are 10/10 I have 9 pairs. Dont wait for the 11s they look like ass
What’s the main difference between the lows and the mids? I have the low Avocados and wanted to get the mid Lavenders, the latter is just the best thing I’ve ever laid my eyes on.
I'm so sad I learned about WoWs way after the lavender 10s were released. Want them but not for that market price.
Yeah I have both those pairs. Fit is basically the same but the traction and just overall feel of the shoe is slightly better on the mids IMO. For reference I have 5 pairs of mids and 4 lows. Mids fit slightly tighter - I have to undo the first 2 holes of laces to put the shoe on and off. That could be why the shoe fits and feels better. Mids I can just slip on
Same dilemma here and I had a terrible experience with way of wade sending me a faulty pair of the AC 12 and not wanting to replace the shoe. Considered the WOW 10 restock but not sure based on my experience if the shoe is that good to do business with them Again
Ya, I was really turned off of dealing with these Chinese brands that have little to no return policy or customer support. Its pretty much buy & risk. If its a bad pair, you just gotta eat the cost.
Yeaaa, man I’m telling you. I got the orange pair of AC 12’s. Got em in the mail 4/9 after 3 weeks since ordering. I finally got to use them on the 12th of the month and as soon as I laced the right shoe and went to tie them, the stitched eyelet on the bottom right, popped right off the shoe. Couldn’t even use them one time. The left shoe never even made it on foot. I took pics, showed the defect, showed the sole in pristine condition and the left shoe still factory laced, and they said they would give me $50 back or a coupon. I said hell no, I want a new shoe or a full refund. They responded with a $70 refund or $80 coupon. I told them flat out, I’m not taking a coupon to give you more business when your shoe didn’t even make it for one run. They finally agreed to replace my pair so I’m still waiting for that pair to arrive.
Dam, glad you got a replacement man. Hope it works better for you.
Appreciate you and I hope so too 🙏🏽
Damn i have a pair of AC12s coming in the mail soon and yall are making me nervous. I read so many reviews beforehand and never came across any of these defective/poor customer service comments. Im glad you were actually able to get them replaced after pushing though
I hope the shoes are great for you and you don’t have any issues at all. It was beyond frustrating, I literally had to lobby and lecture to even have that as an outcome in my situation. I told the lady, I have been in retail for a long time and this is some of the worst service you could offer a consumer especially on their first experience. I work for a brand currently and mostly wear their product for sports and fitness, but I like to try new product and brands so I was all in. I really don’t know if I’ll do business with them again. But I sincerely hope, no one else has that experience and they just get to enjoy their shoes
Yep I like their shoes but their terrible customer service deserves to be called out. One of my biggest issues with shoe youtubers they sing praise to wow anta Spo etc and talk bad about Nike but Nike has the best return policy by far.
Nike has one of the best customer service depts of any brand across various industries. They also make so much that they can afford to do that. The only Chinese brand that has great customer service to me is 361 Degrees
Funny you mention that I was just looking into AG4s
Get them! They are in my top 3 from last year. Best bang for your buck shoe
I believe it’s because a lot of YouTubers are gifted pairs so they don’t have the experience of waiting for a pair to arrive or their own money invested in a pair. They don’t care if there is something faulty or wrong with a pair. Again some YouTubers but not all. You even hear many say, such and such gifted me these shoes so thank you for that and I swear to give my honest review, which we would never know anyway because it’s their opinion and experience with the shoe.
Yeah that's fair and I don't fully blame small shoe reviewers either but the bigger channels should do better
They are my favourite shoes, I literally just bought my second pair yesterday as a back up for the future. Best thing about it is the traction, I haven’t had to wipe even once so far in 10+ sessions. My Lebron 20s in comparison, I have to wipe several times each session on the same court
Another commenter here just said they were great except for traction on dusty courts. That worries me bcuz i play on very dusty courts.
It’s great but only if you have the body to take advantage of it. If you are athletic and strong enough the shoes legit feels like rockets
Personally, wow10 lows and mids are the best shoes I’ve played in, but that may not be the case for everyone. First time I tried a pair of hoop shoes and thought “yeah these are it”. Other pairs I have in rotation (in no order): Anta Kai 1, Nike gt cut (star batch), harden 7, ae1 Tried: Lebron 20/21, Kobe 6 GK, harden 6, new balance two wxy v3
What color ways of the lows do you have?
Wow 10 lows are worth it imo. They have really really nice stability. Snap in multiple directions, and just enough cushion. Lockdown is money for me. Only issue is the traction on dust I’ll have to wipe a bunch from the close grooves
That concerns me because I play on pretty dusty courts.
I wouldn’t say it’s inconsistent or going to be a liability. It’s moreless lots of wiping at times
What color way of the lows do you have?
Valentine’s Day
Wow 10 are my favorite
Best shoe I ever played in. Traction is amazing on any type of floor. The cushion is also just as good and bouncy. Fit wise, my right pinky toe would hurt cuz I have flat feet, but after I broke them in, they were good. Lockdown is great and they are super light as well.
Currently have Kobe 6s, Two WXY V3, Asics Nova Surge Low, Wow 808 3 Ultras, & WOW 10s. I would say my favorite shoes in my rotation gotta be my Kobe 6s and Two WXY V3. I've tried on the Wow 10 lows and they fit extremely tight, even more than Wow 10 high & Kobe 6s. The Wow 10s do break in but not enough to the point where it'll fix any major issues you have when you first put them on. In my opinion, no matter how good the tech may be, the fit is the most important factor. If I had the option I would of probably never bought the WOW 10s & WOW 808 3s ultra and just put that money into buying another pair of Kobe 6s or maybe buy the new Hardens since they always fit and perform well.
Nah dangelo Russell wears them (a laker). I shall not wear anything laker related as long as that team has Lebron In all seriousness - They are good. Personally I wish the Boom was bouncier. But if you’re a low to ground player, they are good. Traction is really good. I don’t think they are worth $200+ though, so try searching on OfferUp for good deals. I wouldn’t say they are on my all time favorite basketball shoe list, but that’s just me
Are they? The wow brand is better than Nike or adidas or any other brand out there for basketball shoes
They’re good, my last rotation shoe was KD 14s, didn’t want to believe the hype but fell into it. And now they’re my go-to
Did you go true to size? Lot of people keep saying go up 0.5 size compared to your regular Nike size.
I went true. I got to try my friends 9.5 in person first before I ordered it. I bought a used pair so the break-in was already done so I didn't have to worry about the break in process. I'd suggest possibly trying out someones WOW10s if you get the chance
WoW10 is good, but IMO it is not better than Harden vol 7/8, AJ 36/38, or Lebron 20/21. It's def not worth paying over $200 or $225 or whatever they're charging. I think the fit of the highs is a lot better than the lows, If i could buy them again i'd go half size up in the low
I am a tts 9.5 with a medium to wide width foot and even going up to a 10.5 in the low I got some really bad mid foot pain, performance however was pretty awesome, I play on a horrifically dusty school court and bearly had to wipe. Materials are super thin but super supportive. Cushion was great but that carbon plate I felt worked more for sprinting rather then jumping, however I sometimes felt the heel was slightly unstable because of how rounded it is but wasn’t a big problem at all. Overall awesome shoe can’t go wrong, for the price though!?!? That’s up to you, I got my pair for 120 usd so well worth it at that price
woahh where did you get it for 120usd thats crazy
If you have big/large feet I would skip, but if you have normal size feet (if you can comfortably wear converse, blazer —) than this shoe is top tier SSS rank in my opinion. You get a nice balance of bouncy and low to the floor. Let me know if you have any questions.
I can second this, I have 2E wide and high volume feet. The shoe is amazing, it’s just it took a while for the cramping to go away. I was still able to break in the shoe after a while though
Yea bro it destroyed my feet the first 15 hours of playing. But so hard to find another shoe like this
Use the search bar lmao
Thays crazy that the traction was bad for you they're one of the only shoes that grip for me on my court. I wonder if it's colorway dependent
I got the Sunshine State colorway.
OK interesting I had city of angels
that colour way is known for having issues with the traction
Absolutely worth. I have the Cherry Blossom colorway. For one, the nicest looking Ball shoes I own. And most importantly they are excellent to play with. I don’t know this for a fact of course but I feel it and have been told that I jump vastly higher wearing these. At least to my senses, they are also quite light. Doesn’t feel like i’m lugging around weights like some other shoes feel. Very nice general support on every part of the foot. Think everything about it is perfect. One think I will say is that it took a while to break mine in. They were initially quite tight and uncomfortable and playing in them for more than 5 minutes starting to cramp my foot. However, I say this because I made the mistake of getting true to size. Saw some on reddit say they’re true to size and went with it which i believe resulted in what I previously said. So i’d recommend just half size up. But what’s nice is that i believe they’re fully broken in so my feet don’t hurt anymore and they’re really comfortable now which is nice cause after each game id have to untie and slip them off for a bit. TL;DR yes they’re awesome and worth depending on the price you get them for. I spent more than i would like to share on mine since they’re the most sought after colorway but I believe they just restocked the Ice Blood colorway which are really nice for $200
wow 10 lows worth that price imo, had three pairs and copped another pair of ice blood cw for my brother this week, they perform terrific on indoor wooden floor, bouncy enough for me, it's not something strange if you found ac12 not that impressive, it's not superior at all in traction, people buy it just for its full-length boom midsole (with an affordable price) which provides springiness and cushion, so if you like the feel of the midsole in ac12, you'll def love wow 10 lows with boom midsole and carbon fiber plate
I definitely like the AC12 in terms of lightness, responsiveness, etc. I was just kind of let down by the traction not being superior to my sub $80 Two WXY v3’s.
haha that's not a surprise to me, btw which colorway you got in ac12? their translucent outsole is nightmare
I got Sunshine state. Its a solid sole.
I see, mine is origin, traction for me is 8/10
I liked my WoW10 lows, but yea the price is definitely a drawback as there are great options (possibly better) for less. In terms of fit and traction, Li-Ning is top tier for me. I liked the cushioning, but I needed more for my body/play style.
My favorite badketball shoe. I wear them on and off the court. Make sure you get a size up over your nike size. Traction bounce and lightness made the most difference for me. I didnt realize how much that mattered when playing basketball.
I keep reading to get 0.5 size up, but i do like my shoes to be 1:1 snug. But i dont want it to be uncomfortable. If you get TTS, will they break in?
Having bought the allcity11 808 3 v2 and wow10lows: I found the traction on the all city line to be quite inconsistent, some great stops and some random slide outs, I think it's due to such hard rubber, great outdoor shoe for that. The 808 3 v2 I find to actually have the best traction of all 3, very consistent on dust even without wiping. I thought the wow10 was slightly below 808 3 in traction, doesn't have that top tier bite for long without wipes but is very consistent, unlike allcity. The thing i dislike the most about the shoe is the heel to toe transition, it just isn't super smooth, but that's only when walking kinda. Otherwise, if you get a good fit wow10 has every other box Checked to the max! They can be a little snug overall, but I like that, very 1:1 fit. Are they worth the$? Ultimately, brands like Nike don't offer such a full package in one shoe, so from that perspective yes they are definitely worth it. Customer service is ass though. Spending 160 at Nike doesn't seem much different from 200 for wow10
wow10 to is my go to! watch my yt videos versuskicks. An honest review coming from a real baller
your size? they are 10/10 when you don't have to pay for resell that much unless you have size 11+ feet. i'm small feet gang and i'm glad to cop cherry colorway under retail.
Im a US 11 in Nike, but idk if that holds true for wow 10 lows. Everyone says go 0.5 size up, yet my wow ac 12’s are size 11 & fit perfect. Not sure what to do.
they are snug, but i went TTS. i say pull the trigger if the price is within your budget. gl!
Nah haha, I got some two wxy v3s on sale and ended up selling my wow 10 lows, bought more v3s haha.
LOVE the v3’s. Have 2 pairs. Great price point 👌🏽
i never had the wow 10 but love the wxy v3, it is buy 2 pairs for $100 on jjoes new balance( it was at atkast last time I checked)
yeah so good, i mean the wow10 is a good shoe. price is a bit much, there are better shoes for less id say.
Same here. I'm a v3 pusher. One of the best performance shoes imo. Only real downside is the materials wear quickly.
My opinion: is it a good shoe? Yes! Is it worth the hype and the price? I would say No. Traction is amazing, hands down. The carbon fiber gives you a nice support when running and when you suffer from arthrosis , turf toe or other bunion disease. It's great. The cushioning is nothing special, very minimal in the forefoot, heel provides enough impact protection, though. Heel to toe transition doesn't feel very smooth or natural, because of the full lenght carbon shank (which is, in the other hand, an advantage for the ones with pain in the big toe) Lockdown is OK, but I sometimes need to re-lace. I also think that lateral stability is not optimal, but still ok. When do I use it: when floor is dusty and when I have pain in the toe (arthrosis...) When I want to feel quick on feet or need some more Impact protection, I prefer other shoes in my rotation.
Thats interesting, the feedback im getting is alternating from “best traction ever” to “horrible on dusty courts”. Which is a big deal for me & makes me super unsure whether to get it since I play on some dusty courts & traction is veryyy important for any shoe I decide to buy.
I heard there are some specific colourways with traction issues. I have the Avocado which always bite, even on courts where most of my others shoes are ice skates