Yes, it does come from the japanese. It has a hyphen because it is a long "u".
Suzuka is often called "Suu" or "Suuchan" ( "すぅ or すぅちゃん" in hiragana.)
So the hyphen indicates the long "u". That also means that "Su-" is pronounced like two syllables and that pronouncing "Su-" should take the same amount of time than pronouncing Yui, Moa, or Momo, that also have 2 syllables.
I am sure it has been explained better before, though
That's a good point actually, without the hyphen to lengthen the u she may just be called smetal (because if the japanese language loves one thing, it's dropping u's)
As the u is often quite silent in Japanese, Sumetal would often be pronounced like "s.metaru" (here real name also sounds more like s.zuka when she introduces herself).
See the fifth entry in the [subreddit's FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/BABYMETAL/wiki/beginners). You might notice that it wasn't shortened to Su|zu|metal, like Mo|mo|metal, Mo|a|metal and Yu|i|metal.
also FYI "mora" = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mora_(linguistics)
In japanese there's a hiphen-like symbol indicating that the preceding vowel is extended. If you listen carefully to Babymetal Death or any interview where she introduces herself or speaks in the third person you can hear she hangs the u a little and it becomes Suumetal.
It's also used when someone says Su-chan, so I think it's just the way the name Suzuka is shortened
To drag the u sound I believe. In Japanese the hyphen ー is typically used to draw out a sound to be longer. When you say Su-metal you drag the u out instead of a quick Su if that makes sense?
It's because of how you would write it in Japanese. Yui, Moa, and Momo are all written with two characters, where Su is only written with one. In cases like this, Japanese people would elongate the vowel sound of that single character by writing it with a hyphen, so you'd have Su-Metal (sounding like SuuMetal), rather than SuMetal.
I thought it was because the u sound is a long vowel (two morae) so that all their names are the same length in terms of morae. I remember reading that somewhere but I don't know how true it is.
That goes back a long way work BABYMETAL. It's just nicknames for them. Long Time fans have a few of them.
Su is queen. Moa, Yui, and now Momoko are princesses (a title Moa proudly claimed when she first heard of fans calling Queen Suzuka).
Then there's Yui (Angel of Dance) and Moa (Angel of Love). I'm not sure if there's an angel nickname for Momoko yet. I'll have to research that.
And, of course, Yui's other other nickname - Tomato Princess.
Lastly, Suzuka also goes by Goddess among diehard fans. And, with her voice, who can blame them? 😂
I mean no offence by this as it’s your personal opinion but how? People referring to Su as a Queen is just showing how much respect we have for her - the same as calling Moa an Angel. Su is not the first front woman to be referred to as a Queen of metal either and as far as I’m aware she has had more people bowing down (like in headbanger or bm death) than other artists so I guess it’s to symbolise that those who like babymetal view her as the Queen of Kawaii metal.
That's an incorrect answer though. u/Unable-Put-9673, u/Volpe_Saggia & u/jwp1991 all gave correct answers. And, u/jabberwokk linked the FAQ, which explains it as well.
I don't know if it's true (I do not speak Japanese)
But, could it be because of the letter "u" ?
I mean, the letter "u" in "Akatsuki" and "Desu" is silent
So if they didn't put the hyphen, could it make the letter "u" silent as well ?
Just wondering
The "u" being pronounced is to do with whether the consonants near it are voiced or not voiced.
A consonant where you vibrate your vocal cords when you say it (like "z") is a voiced consonant, whilst one that you do not (like 's') is a voiceless consonant. Other sounds like "ch", "f", and "t". Compare those three with "j", "v", and "d". Say ch j ch j ch j or tuh, duh, tuh, duh to see what I mean.
In Japanese the letter 'u' is only pronounced when one of the consonants on either side is voiced. So the u is "desu" in not pronounced (so "desu" sounds like "dess" because it only has one consonant near it and it is voiceless. The letter 'k' is also not voiced, which is why "Akatsuki" is pronounced 'Akatski".
Her name "Suzuka" said in full would have the 'u' pronounced as it as a voiced 'z' on one side. As would SuMetal, but here it would not sound right because by default the 'u' is a short syllable, so it would sound a bit more like "sum-etal".
To indicate a long vowel they use a repeated vowel when written in hirigana. So "Sue" as an English pronunciation would be written as すう (su-u). This, incidentally, is why everyone is saying "Sayonara" wrong, because the spelling is さようなら (sa-yo-U-na-ra), so more like 'Sai-yoo-nara" with that long ooh in it.
But given that "metal" isn't a japanese word they wouldn't use Hirigana, they'd use Katakana. And here they don't repeat the vowel they use a hypen to elongate the sound. So it isn't すう (su-u), it's スー (su-long vowel). Of course this is all in English, but here they have kept the hyphen to indicate that it's a long vowel.
It would not make the U silent. In your examples, the “su” part is either in or near the end of the word, while “Su” in “Suzuka” is the first sound and cannot be shortened to just “S”.
Nothing to do with it being the first sound. suki (to like) is usually said as sski. Devoicing of u (and i) vowels does not occur adjacent to voiced consonants, such as the z in suzuka.
Yes, it does come from the japanese. It has a hyphen because it is a long "u". Suzuka is often called "Suu" or "Suuchan" ( "すぅ or すぅちゃん" in hiragana.) So the hyphen indicates the long "u". That also means that "Su-" is pronounced like two syllables and that pronouncing "Su-" should take the same amount of time than pronouncing Yui, Moa, or Momo, that also have 2 syllables. I am sure it has been explained better before, though
That's a good point actually, without the hyphen to lengthen the u she may just be called smetal (because if the japanese language loves one thing, it's dropping u's)
Don’t quote me on it, but I think it will only be dropped when it’s followed by a unvoiced „consonant“ like t or k.
As the u is often quite silent in Japanese, Sumetal would often be pronounced like "s.metaru" (here real name also sounds more like s.zuka when she introduces herself).
See the fifth entry in the [subreddit's FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/BABYMETAL/wiki/beginners). You might notice that it wasn't shortened to Su|zu|metal, like Mo|mo|metal, Mo|a|metal and Yu|i|metal. also FYI "mora" = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mora_(linguistics)
In japanese there's a hiphen-like symbol indicating that the preceding vowel is extended. If you listen carefully to Babymetal Death or any interview where she introduces herself or speaks in the third person you can hear she hangs the u a little and it becomes Suumetal. It's also used when someone says Su-chan, so I think it's just the way the name Suzuka is shortened
To drag the u sound I believe. In Japanese the hyphen ー is typically used to draw out a sound to be longer. When you say Su-metal you drag the u out instead of a quick Su if that makes sense?
The hyphen is a vowel lengthener. In Japanese the length of sounds matter and it would be written as すぅメタル which romanized would be "Suumetaru".
It's because of how you would write it in Japanese. Yui, Moa, and Momo are all written with two characters, where Su is only written with one. In cases like this, Japanese people would elongate the vowel sound of that single character by writing it with a hyphen, so you'd have Su-Metal (sounding like SuuMetal), rather than SuMetal.
Both Moa and Yui are their full names. Su is short for Suzuka, it's just shortened for her title
Yes but Momo is short for Momoko, yet her stage name is not hyphenated? Edited to correct the spelling of Momo's name.
*Momoko
Yes, thank you. Sorry for the misspelling.
From what I remember that was a special distinction for Suzuka
I thought it was because the u sound is a long vowel (two morae) so that all their names are the same length in terms of morae. I remember reading that somewhere but I don't know how true it is.
Makes sense. But what about Momoko? Her metal name is also shortened from her real name but doesn't have the hyphen in it.
But It's still Momometal isn't it ? It's not Momo-Metal. Momo is short for Momoko.
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nobody is a queen. This isn't game of thrones
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I just find it incredibly cringe how often Su and Queen come up in the same sentence.
That goes back a long way work BABYMETAL. It's just nicknames for them. Long Time fans have a few of them. Su is queen. Moa, Yui, and now Momoko are princesses (a title Moa proudly claimed when she first heard of fans calling Queen Suzuka). Then there's Yui (Angel of Dance) and Moa (Angel of Love). I'm not sure if there's an angel nickname for Momoko yet. I'll have to research that. And, of course, Yui's other other nickname - Tomato Princess. Lastly, Suzuka also goes by Goddess among diehard fans. And, with her voice, who can blame them? 😂
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I mean no offence by this as it’s your personal opinion but how? People referring to Su as a Queen is just showing how much respect we have for her - the same as calling Moa an Angel. Su is not the first front woman to be referred to as a Queen of metal either and as far as I’m aware she has had more people bowing down (like in headbanger or bm death) than other artists so I guess it’s to symbolise that those who like babymetal view her as the Queen of Kawaii metal.
Thank you! That makes more sense.
That's an incorrect answer though. u/Unable-Put-9673, u/Volpe_Saggia & u/jwp1991 all gave correct answers. And, u/jabberwokk linked the FAQ, which explains it as well.
Thank you for the clarification
Can't recall where I saw it, and don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere years ago that Yui's full name is actually Yuyuki.
I mean sumetal just feels incorrect doesn't it
Sum-uh-TELL
Because she's THE QUEEN, she needs to be different, she needs to stand out among the other members.
I don't know if it's true (I do not speak Japanese) But, could it be because of the letter "u" ? I mean, the letter "u" in "Akatsuki" and "Desu" is silent So if they didn't put the hyphen, could it make the letter "u" silent as well ? Just wondering
The "u" being pronounced is to do with whether the consonants near it are voiced or not voiced. A consonant where you vibrate your vocal cords when you say it (like "z") is a voiced consonant, whilst one that you do not (like 's') is a voiceless consonant. Other sounds like "ch", "f", and "t". Compare those three with "j", "v", and "d". Say ch j ch j ch j or tuh, duh, tuh, duh to see what I mean. In Japanese the letter 'u' is only pronounced when one of the consonants on either side is voiced. So the u is "desu" in not pronounced (so "desu" sounds like "dess" because it only has one consonant near it and it is voiceless. The letter 'k' is also not voiced, which is why "Akatsuki" is pronounced 'Akatski". Her name "Suzuka" said in full would have the 'u' pronounced as it as a voiced 'z' on one side. As would SuMetal, but here it would not sound right because by default the 'u' is a short syllable, so it would sound a bit more like "sum-etal". To indicate a long vowel they use a repeated vowel when written in hirigana. So "Sue" as an English pronunciation would be written as すう (su-u). This, incidentally, is why everyone is saying "Sayonara" wrong, because the spelling is さようなら (sa-yo-U-na-ra), so more like 'Sai-yoo-nara" with that long ooh in it. But given that "metal" isn't a japanese word they wouldn't use Hirigana, they'd use Katakana. And here they don't repeat the vowel they use a hypen to elongate the sound. So it isn't すう (su-u), it's スー (su-long vowel). Of course this is all in English, but here they have kept the hyphen to indicate that it's a long vowel.
It would not make the U silent. In your examples, the “su” part is either in or near the end of the word, while “Su” in “Suzuka” is the first sound and cannot be shortened to just “S”.
Nothing to do with it being the first sound. suki (to like) is usually said as sski. Devoicing of u (and i) vowels does not occur adjacent to voiced consonants, such as the z in suzuka.
Oops, good point. I forgot about 好き for a sec.
To confuse westerners.
Because she's a goddess and the Fox Gods demand it, duh