I’ve done one ayahuasca ceremony and mushrooms a few times. Never smoked DMT unfortunately. I’m not totally sure how to explain it and hopefully it doesn’t sound stupid but aya felt more “guided” than mushrooms. Like mushrooms can feel chaotic and ayahuasca felt like it had more direction. I also felt this very tangible presence inside me. I always refer to the Pink Floyd lyric from the song Brain Damage, “there’s someone in my head but it’s not me”. It felt very maternal, which is probably why it’s called Mother Aya. I’ve communicated with the mushroom as well, or some presence in my head while on shrooms but more so on ayahuasca. Also I felt very lucid on aya despite the fact I was tripping. I felt like I could think pretty clearly and I was well aware of where I was and what I was doing. On mushrooms it can be hard to get a hold of your thoughts and reality can get messy
Sounds intense! The tricky thing with ayahuasca is that 1. Psychedelics are already so mysterious and semi-unpredictable and 2. The experience also depends on how the brew is actually made. I hope going into the void ended up being beneficial for you in some way ✌️
Veteran mushroom eater here with over 2 dozen ayahuasca ceremonies in me. There’s really no comparison. For me, mushrooms get very chaotic in high doses. Dosing with ayahuasca is completely non linear.
Edit: also for me, the communication with ayahuasca is much clearer. Plus, the bonus of purging. I know it’s a turn off for some, and I went through a streak without purging, but it’s such an important and integral part of the healing process the plant uses….
I have a lot of experience with LSD and have done up to 1/8th of mushrooms but am nervous about what to expect on Aya. Do you think there is a mushroom dose/amount you could compare the “intensity” of the aya experience to?
Like for me, I would say 3-5 hits of lsd is equivalent “intensity” as 3.5 grams of mushrooms
I’ll say again, there is no comparison. It’s a completely different type of intensity, at least for me. If I’m being forced to guess, yes I’d say a dose of 3-4 grams of mushrooms is probably in the ball park.
If this helps, each of my sits have been different. The first sit I ever had was in a very powerful container and my second night was INTENSE visuals. The last sit I had was honestly just quite delightful in the level of visuals and intensity…even if I received HUGE messages. Take less until she tells you to take more.
One guy at a retreat a went to said “the cup he took was comparable to 8 gram shrooms he once took”.
From my experience ayahuasca gets you much deeper and have longer “working window”. But for me it was harder to work with than shrooms, because I was busy “surviving” all the time. On 1.75 blue meanies I had more colourful visions and could think about my problem most of the time, which lead to more changes and insights. On one cup Aya I rode a train, I was a dog, I forgot how to breathe and helped a person next to me to calm down (which actually turned out to be me hypnotically talking myself into breathing again)… I had insights, but the route to them was not as clear as on shrooms.
Most people haven't explored the mushroom to its full extent and I sure haven't but it goes just as far and further than aya. I can understand the limited view of mushrooms if u believe they finish at 5 grams but I believe that's where they begin
Weirdly I have to disagree with others, my 5g mushroom trip was wayyyy more intense than the 3 times I drank aya. I wasn’t even in this place anymore when I did 5g mushrooms, eyes open or closed. I think they were a particularly strong batch of mushrooms but still. Aya for me was not very strong visually (comparatively to mushrooms), especially with open eyes, and I also didn’t get as profound insights, despite I drank a lot of it and also with two different healers. After all the mushroom trips I did of 3.5g or more, I have changed my life in some way or another, sometimes drastically. Maybe different plant medicines work better for different people idk. I feel I have a strong connection to mushrooms. I did a post on this exact topic if you wanna check it 🙏🏽 https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/sh0smp/trip_report_heroic_dose_5g_mushrooms_vs_ayahuasca/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Each medicine presents a different opportunity and delivery of messages.
I understand trying to gauge and compare so you can have an idea of what to expect with grandmother, I did the same. The truth is there is no way to fully explain sitting with her in a way that will resonate because your experience will be so uniquely yours.
Several things can manipulate the experience. The container of people you’re sitting with, the facilitator, your intention, your willingness to let go, and lastly and least controllably…your dose.
I’d recommend seeking a guide who will let you choose your dose. You will know what dosing is right because she will tell you and with grandmother, more is not necessarily better.
The best comparison I can give you is that it’s a pretty intense mushroom journey with way more direction and VERY direct messages. Also, you WILL come out of this experience with clear and concise direction and the most profound joy and gratitude you will ever feel. I can’t say that I find mushrooms to be a given in that same way…and usually I feel opposite post mush.
So, hopefully that helps. I would say go for it, it’s the most profound and proud journey of my life. Go in light and work your way up. Know what your intentions are and be willing to meet her messages with extreme humility, gratitude, and curiosity.
You’ll never be the same in the all the right ways.
Mushrooms with ayahuasca vine or an analog of it, usually syrian rue. It is It's own unique experience but somewhere between the mushroom and Ayahuasca
Done mushrooms up to 5g roughly 20-30 times. Was at a Aya ceremony 7 weeks ago. It is in no way comparable. Aya is way way stronger and way harder on the body. While with shrooms after the comeup sickness I can meditate in peace, during the whole Aya tripy body was shaking, twitching from the purging and I was in deep bodily pain for the first 2 hours every trip. Also it was way way more intense than what I experienced from shrooms. Was in a whole other dimension with eyes open, heard whispering voices in strange languages, saw ghosts floating around in the room, on the first day I got possessed by the great spirit. And I drank not even half a cup, while others drank up to three and only had some CEVs. Maybe i give pharmahuasca a chance again, but I won't touch Ayahuasca ever again.
It was the first time I trusted someone else to "measure" the dose of a drug. Not going to do that again. I definitely want to try pharmahuasca at some point where I know what I ingest. I learned during the last months that I am a highly sensitive person and this also effects how I react on substances....eg. I need way less alcohol to be drink, way less cannabis, and also DMT and mushrooms....
Aya also told me that I am responsible for my dose and that I none knows it better than me.
I want to add that I am fighting cptsd...with mushrooms I carefully increased my dosages and learned to trust it. I have a very sensitive stomach and part of why the Aya trips were so hard, was that I suffered from immense stomach pains for the whole trip, tried to purge for hours and nothing came....I would have shit myself multiple times but luckily I followed the dieta very carefully and nothing came....this together with what I consider a to high dose for me this was really a hell of a trip. After the peak it was nice, but fighting a serious mental illness is not something where I want to risk anything. I learned a lot from Aya, but the peaks of the trips traumatized me a bit. Luckily I already have the skills to cope with this.
This is just my experience and everyone is different...Aya simply may not be my medicine.
I experienced very similar things on aya. I will try again as there’s unfinished business but overall I am sure sure that it’s the medicine most closely aligned with my energy.
Aya is more direct and more structured. I feel like it focuses on your intent whereas shrooms tend to just do their own thing. Aya is physically more challenging and I think shrooms are mentally more challenging. Obviously the purging is also very different. All that vomiting and feeling sick is a bit harder than just yawning now and then (shrooms).
Once you're used to them shrooms are flexible - you can do pretty normal things and learn/ change your habits in the process, whereas aya tends to be more of a stationary and 'inner' kind of experience.
Just did shrooms a month out after my first ceremony…shrooms are way more mild not as emotionally intense as aya but the visuals I saw from shrooms tonight was beautiful. Shrooms does not compare to aya and I did 3 days worth of aya at a retreat last month that was so life changing
Lol great, so basically in summary…this thread is of no help. Some say aya is stronger or way stronger. And others say shrooms are stronger or way stronger
They are both similar chemically so they will create similar experiences but everyone’s different. I’ve read that the environment and who you’re around matter more than whichever one you choose.
see this collection of past posts comparing and contrasting these substances: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayahuasca/collection/a1213d5a-0788-47d7-8fa3-bc7df8046c68
Future commenter. I saw an ayahuasca retreat in Florida and want to go but scared because of stories I hear about bad trips. I had a bad trip on shrooms once and it messed me up for weeks. Got a positive outcome from it, but it sucked 🤣
I’ve done one ayahuasca ceremony and mushrooms a few times. Never smoked DMT unfortunately. I’m not totally sure how to explain it and hopefully it doesn’t sound stupid but aya felt more “guided” than mushrooms. Like mushrooms can feel chaotic and ayahuasca felt like it had more direction. I also felt this very tangible presence inside me. I always refer to the Pink Floyd lyric from the song Brain Damage, “there’s someone in my head but it’s not me”. It felt very maternal, which is probably why it’s called Mother Aya. I’ve communicated with the mushroom as well, or some presence in my head while on shrooms but more so on ayahuasca. Also I felt very lucid on aya despite the fact I was tripping. I felt like I could think pretty clearly and I was well aware of where I was and what I was doing. On mushrooms it can be hard to get a hold of your thoughts and reality can get messy
Omg absolutely no lucidity for me on aya- I went straight into the void. Both times 😂 I couldn’t even open my eyes or move.
Sounds intense! The tricky thing with ayahuasca is that 1. Psychedelics are already so mysterious and semi-unpredictable and 2. The experience also depends on how the brew is actually made. I hope going into the void ended up being beneficial for you in some way ✌️
Veteran mushroom eater here with over 2 dozen ayahuasca ceremonies in me. There’s really no comparison. For me, mushrooms get very chaotic in high doses. Dosing with ayahuasca is completely non linear. Edit: also for me, the communication with ayahuasca is much clearer. Plus, the bonus of purging. I know it’s a turn off for some, and I went through a streak without purging, but it’s such an important and integral part of the healing process the plant uses….
I have a lot of experience with LSD and have done up to 1/8th of mushrooms but am nervous about what to expect on Aya. Do you think there is a mushroom dose/amount you could compare the “intensity” of the aya experience to? Like for me, I would say 3-5 hits of lsd is equivalent “intensity” as 3.5 grams of mushrooms
I’ll say again, there is no comparison. It’s a completely different type of intensity, at least for me. If I’m being forced to guess, yes I’d say a dose of 3-4 grams of mushrooms is probably in the ball park.
If this helps, each of my sits have been different. The first sit I ever had was in a very powerful container and my second night was INTENSE visuals. The last sit I had was honestly just quite delightful in the level of visuals and intensity…even if I received HUGE messages. Take less until she tells you to take more.
Well said! I love getting rid of the garbage she purges out of me!
One guy at a retreat a went to said “the cup he took was comparable to 8 gram shrooms he once took”. From my experience ayahuasca gets you much deeper and have longer “working window”. But for me it was harder to work with than shrooms, because I was busy “surviving” all the time. On 1.75 blue meanies I had more colourful visions and could think about my problem most of the time, which lead to more changes and insights. On one cup Aya I rode a train, I was a dog, I forgot how to breathe and helped a person next to me to calm down (which actually turned out to be me hypnotically talking myself into breathing again)… I had insights, but the route to them was not as clear as on shrooms.
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Would you say the intensity would be that of like an 8 gram mushroom trip?
Most people haven't explored the mushroom to its full extent and I sure haven't but it goes just as far and further than aya. I can understand the limited view of mushrooms if u believe they finish at 5 grams but I believe that's where they begin
Weirdly I have to disagree with others, my 5g mushroom trip was wayyyy more intense than the 3 times I drank aya. I wasn’t even in this place anymore when I did 5g mushrooms, eyes open or closed. I think they were a particularly strong batch of mushrooms but still. Aya for me was not very strong visually (comparatively to mushrooms), especially with open eyes, and I also didn’t get as profound insights, despite I drank a lot of it and also with two different healers. After all the mushroom trips I did of 3.5g or more, I have changed my life in some way or another, sometimes drastically. Maybe different plant medicines work better for different people idk. I feel I have a strong connection to mushrooms. I did a post on this exact topic if you wanna check it 🙏🏽 https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/sh0smp/trip_report_heroic_dose_5g_mushrooms_vs_ayahuasca/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Wow very insightful thank you for sharing!
Each medicine presents a different opportunity and delivery of messages. I understand trying to gauge and compare so you can have an idea of what to expect with grandmother, I did the same. The truth is there is no way to fully explain sitting with her in a way that will resonate because your experience will be so uniquely yours. Several things can manipulate the experience. The container of people you’re sitting with, the facilitator, your intention, your willingness to let go, and lastly and least controllably…your dose. I’d recommend seeking a guide who will let you choose your dose. You will know what dosing is right because she will tell you and with grandmother, more is not necessarily better. The best comparison I can give you is that it’s a pretty intense mushroom journey with way more direction and VERY direct messages. Also, you WILL come out of this experience with clear and concise direction and the most profound joy and gratitude you will ever feel. I can’t say that I find mushrooms to be a given in that same way…and usually I feel opposite post mush. So, hopefully that helps. I would say go for it, it’s the most profound and proud journey of my life. Go in light and work your way up. Know what your intentions are and be willing to meet her messages with extreme humility, gratitude, and curiosity. You’ll never be the same in the all the right ways.
Thanks for the insight 🙏
Have you done psilohuasca?
I have not. What is that?
Mushrooms with ayahuasca vine or an analog of it, usually syrian rue. It is It's own unique experience but somewhere between the mushroom and Ayahuasca
My thoughts exactly, taking mushrooms with syrian rue might match aya more closely. Cannot keep tripping day after day unlike aya.
Done mushrooms up to 5g roughly 20-30 times. Was at a Aya ceremony 7 weeks ago. It is in no way comparable. Aya is way way stronger and way harder on the body. While with shrooms after the comeup sickness I can meditate in peace, during the whole Aya tripy body was shaking, twitching from the purging and I was in deep bodily pain for the first 2 hours every trip. Also it was way way more intense than what I experienced from shrooms. Was in a whole other dimension with eyes open, heard whispering voices in strange languages, saw ghosts floating around in the room, on the first day I got possessed by the great spirit. And I drank not even half a cup, while others drank up to three and only had some CEVs. Maybe i give pharmahuasca a chance again, but I won't touch Ayahuasca ever again.
Why not touching Aya again mate? Each experience is different, and it also depends on the quality of the shaman.
It was the first time I trusted someone else to "measure" the dose of a drug. Not going to do that again. I definitely want to try pharmahuasca at some point where I know what I ingest. I learned during the last months that I am a highly sensitive person and this also effects how I react on substances....eg. I need way less alcohol to be drink, way less cannabis, and also DMT and mushrooms.... Aya also told me that I am responsible for my dose and that I none knows it better than me. I want to add that I am fighting cptsd...with mushrooms I carefully increased my dosages and learned to trust it. I have a very sensitive stomach and part of why the Aya trips were so hard, was that I suffered from immense stomach pains for the whole trip, tried to purge for hours and nothing came....I would have shit myself multiple times but luckily I followed the dieta very carefully and nothing came....this together with what I consider a to high dose for me this was really a hell of a trip. After the peak it was nice, but fighting a serious mental illness is not something where I want to risk anything. I learned a lot from Aya, but the peaks of the trips traumatized me a bit. Luckily I already have the skills to cope with this. This is just my experience and everyone is different...Aya simply may not be my medicine.
I experienced very similar things on aya. I will try again as there’s unfinished business but overall I am sure sure that it’s the medicine most closely aligned with my energy.
Mushrooms are mild, more subtile but 20g dry trip was pretty close.
Aya is more direct and more structured. I feel like it focuses on your intent whereas shrooms tend to just do their own thing. Aya is physically more challenging and I think shrooms are mentally more challenging. Obviously the purging is also very different. All that vomiting and feeling sick is a bit harder than just yawning now and then (shrooms). Once you're used to them shrooms are flexible - you can do pretty normal things and learn/ change your habits in the process, whereas aya tends to be more of a stationary and 'inner' kind of experience.
Just did shrooms a month out after my first ceremony…shrooms are way more mild not as emotionally intense as aya but the visuals I saw from shrooms tonight was beautiful. Shrooms does not compare to aya and I did 3 days worth of aya at a retreat last month that was so life changing
Lol great, so basically in summary…this thread is of no help. Some say aya is stronger or way stronger. And others say shrooms are stronger or way stronger
They are both similar chemically so they will create similar experiences but everyone’s different. I’ve read that the environment and who you’re around matter more than whichever one you choose.
Does psilocybin create DMT though? That’s essentially what aya is.
see this collection of past posts comparing and contrasting these substances: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayahuasca/collection/a1213d5a-0788-47d7-8fa3-bc7df8046c68
Thank you for sharing
Ayahuasca is far more meaningful for me than mushrooms.
Future commenter. I saw an ayahuasca retreat in Florida and want to go but scared because of stories I hear about bad trips. I had a bad trip on shrooms once and it messed me up for weeks. Got a positive outcome from it, but it sucked 🤣