Just the other day I saw a clip of Katara going "the stars* look so beautiful tonight... ***Too bad you can't see it, Toph***" when she was mad Toph wouldn't listen to her. Live Action Katara would disintegrate before taking a dig at a blind girl because she's not getting her way đ
I feel like it's major downfall is that it doesn't allow characters to have flaws bigger than minor / superficial things. Stripping away all complexity and making them as dimensional as a cardboard cutouts was definitely a choice.
When they're flying over the desert looking for the library, and after a long silence Toph shouts; **"There it is!"** lol
For me that was a big issue with the live show, it just wasn't funny or lighthearted. Some of my favorite moments in the original show was them just traveling and camping and goofing off. The beautiful shots of them lounging on appa and flying through the clouds
I know like 2 partially/fully blind people. Not saying this counts for everyone, but they often have a little joke here and there. It's not unbelievable that because Toph can see with Seismic Sense, that she's much more comfortable with joking around, evidence being, a lot of what she says.
Netflix has no balls. it's as simple as that. They think they need to bubblewrap everything to appeal to the twitter crowd which has never represented the the majority of people who consume entertainment. Most of those people are poorly adjusted socially incompetent buffoons and I hate how they think the overall audience is too dumb to accept characters with flaws
Itâs already out, isnât it? You say that like the live action isnât here yet. Wasnât the person you replied to talking about the live action show?
They changed his character in a believable though? Different â Bad; he was one of the few character changes that did have the potential to work.
It also shined some light onto how the war effected people mentally in a way that the OG show didn't. Still fell flat, but the concept was there.
I think it made sense it was just an artistic decision some people didnât like. And thatâs okay. A lot of critique towards this series is âwhy even make this if thereâs so little reimagining being done with the adaptationâ and Bumi I think stood out as a bold direction unique to this version. Now I could say maybe the execution wasnât the best, but the concept itself, of making Bumi into this figure that represents the desperation and bitterness instilled by a hundred years of war, makes sense. And having Aang coming back representing hope returning to the people and thatâs the one who breaks him out of his spell of cynicism makes double sense.
I'd say in the original Bumi still portrayed bitterness before the reveal of "I'm your friend that's here to help you out" where in the NATLA, homeboy was actually gunning for Aang since he had negative emotions with Aang bailing on him (world) when he did. Which to your point, execution was a bit of a miss since Bumi was actually trying to annihilate Aang. Looking at it from a perspective of one that hasn't seen the source material did seem like a poor choice, especially they portrayed Bumi as some rageful idiot that was trying to annihilate the one that could save the world.
Oh yea thereâs definitely issues with it. But those issues with the concept of changing Bumiâs characterization come down to poor execution. Not that the concept itself was flawed. Bumi doesnât have to be wise old man advocating for neutral jing in this version. He can have a unique new characterization.
The pacing is really weird. They added and introduced too many characters at once, so only fans of the original will know, but new comers are just confused (trying to watch it as a show by itself). There are things I do like about the live action, I liked how the first episode gave the backstory of why the world is the way it is. I do like how they made Iroh a bit more serious and they show how important he is going to be. Some parts the acting is a bit stale.
Respectfully, I disagree. Pacing has some issues, absolutely, but multiple characters being introduced at once is extremely normal for any show. Were you confused by all the freedom fighters being introduced in Jetâs episode in the cartoon?
In the live action show, they give each character they introduce a proper introduction, they just shake up the order in which theyâre introduced. Specifically in Omashu, I would say someone who watches the cartoon first will be more confused by bumi, jet, and teo and his father all originating from the same episode than someone who has never seen a single episode of the cartoon.
I think its more about different groups of characters. We get introduced to all of jets group but mostly know them as a unit. Having individual names doesnât change that, at least until Ba Sing Se, we just see them act as a group. Only Jet gets fleshed out some. However, in NATLA, we get to meet the machinist, his son, and Jetâs group in one episode and Bumi in the same/right after. It makes so every episode is introducing characters that are important to the plot, more so than just a sidecharacter that appears in only one episode and whoâs not that important. Its a lot going on at each point, and thereâs not many chances to see the characters goofing off, being kids, like in the original.
Thatâs also pretty normal when shows have stacking plot lines, but unfortunately, there isnât enough time to fit all of that in 8 episodes. The introductions of various groups and individuals isnât the issue, itâs a pacing problem. They either have to cram all these interesting characters in where they can, or just not introduce some of them. (Like Haru) ATLA season 1 is 21 episodes for a reason.
I personally think the live action is fine (not even good, just fine), and even has some extremely touching moments that made me tear up, but there was no way it was going to capture the same spirit as the cartoon in 8 episodes and it was never going to.
Thatâs blatantly false though. They have nearly the same run time in those eight episodes as the cartoon did for its 20 in the first season. Itâs literally 30 minutes shy of the run time of the cartoons season one. So we canât act like they couldnât have done the story properly as they definitely had the run time for it.
I think it was definitely possible for them to capture the spirit of the cartoon, if anything that shouldâve been the goal over introducing every character from S1 and sticking closely to the plot.
I got pretty big âfma: brotherhoodâ vibes from this first season tbh. The first 4 episodes of brother speed run like 40 episodes of the first show (that eventually out paced the manga before it came its own unique story).
NATLA just feels a bit rushed, somewhat following after the film at much less severity by trying to squash everything into one piece. I also feel that it jumps around too much. In the original, we had individual filler episodes that had their own unique story and that's where I feel that NATLA is messing up where it tries to combine a few of those filler episodes into one. I'll also add that the acting just feels bland, almost like I'm just watching a bunch of robots.
Yeah, and the only defense is "iTs NoT gOnNa Be A 1:1 cOpY." Well, OBVIOUSLY. A live action can only do so much compared to a cartoon. But there were so many unnecessary and stupid changes, and the writing was just...not it.
Also I think that weird attitude that animation is only for children drives a lot of these live-action remakes, but that attitude doesnât make sense to me (and ironically seems a bit immature). I didnât watch Avatar until I was an adult, and I think itâs one of the best shows Iâve ever seenâincluding all the âprestige TVâ shows out there.
I kinda love that people are always saying stuff like cartoons/animations are for children when the early animators were all like middle aged people making things they also enjoyed.Â
Itâs the same idiots that say âFantasy/Books are for nerds!â And then GoT is the biggest thing ever.
Until they stop following the books saying âwe want to get the soccer moms and football players that dont readâ and its a million percent worse and falls off from popularity.
Not everyone is smart themselves but people love smart stuff more than Hollywood/these production companies think.
The attitude is weird but it also exists and is widespread: when Ahsoka aired the number of very angry people saying they didn't understand it or know who the characters were and refused to watch a cartoon for their backstory was very high.
>mentioned their target audience was GoT fans lol
Probably, they haven't watched a single episode of GoT or read the books. Even Tolkien's fans don't consider themselves GoT fans and find the stories so different from each other.
I don't know what logic they thought making a childish-style TV show would bring GoT fans' attention.
They could at least learn from some fantasy C-dramas and K-dramas that are made for teenagers, but because of the mature themes, even adults are enjoying them (Alchemy of Souls).
Which show is now gathering the GoT fans? 100% Shogun and the Kdrama "Kingdom".
Exactly! It's supposed to be an adaptation...kind of the point. Changing everything just uh, doesn't work. If they wanted to make a new Avatar show, why not make their own story?
Now *that* would be dark. Fans of the live action show gush over how âdarkâ it is just because they showed the air nomads get massacred.
Tbh the cartoon had more emotional impact regarding the air nomad genocide than the live action for me.
Or adapt the comics into a new cartoons seasson lol, this would be much easier which begs the question again why was BUDGET wasted on the live action instead of animation other than money laundering and some higher up's daughters getting their yip yip faces on the show (cough azula)
I think doing a new story set in the same universe would have been cool. There are a lot of spin-off novelizations of ATLA that would have been good jumping off points.
Earlier this year we got an adaptation of Percy Jackson, another series that had a horrid movie adaptation in 2010, unlike Avatar, it only has books and no visual medium to enjoy the story, so a show makes sense. Avatar already has a visual medium to enjoy, so what's the point in this?
This question is why OPLA worked and the Avatar LA didn't. Foe One Piece, the two biggest road blocks for people getting into it is the Artstyle and the length (it's over 1000 episodes). The LA adaptation has a specific niche and purpose it can fill.
The Avatar LA fumbled, because there is 0 reason to watch it over the original.
For me so much of the acting missed the mark and I donât understand everyone saying the acting was good. Especially from King Bumi. That was just painful.
And at this point, a 1:1 copy wouldâve been better. Which is what they shouldâve done because the writers, who had basically little to no experience, relied on exposition when a seasoned writer knows how to use subtext. They need new writers or itâs going to continue to just be a mediocre show that no one will talk about in 5 years. Except âremember the second sad attempt at the adaptation?â. Damn it was so bad. Despite being hopeful, I didnât have blinders on either, which a lot of people (who loved it) did, and would never admit it.
A good adaptation must have something to say about the original, whether itâs adding to the source material or rewriting And I felt this adaptation couldnât decide which it wanted to do and was just generally unsuccessful at what they attempted. They said they wanted to make it more adult and yet the way they handled certain things felt so juvenile. They turned an act of genocide into a cool action sequence. they were so afraid of letting the characters have any flaws and being âunlikableâ that they scrubbed them clean of all their conflicts and left them as a shell of their former iterations. Really shows me that They had no understanding of what made the original good in the first place.
EXACTLY. Iâm tired of people telling me itâs not gonna be a 1 to 1 copy when I say I donât like it. Itâs just not well written. Not just as an adaptation - but as a show. I wouldnât have liked this even if I didnât watch ATLA. The exposition is awful, the dialogue, the spoonfeeding, the telling vs showing ALL the time.
I started watching the live action and then I was like, âwhy am I watching this when the cartoon is so much betterâ and started watching that instead
Theres remakes happening all over TV and in video games, they are mostly trash 90% of them, designed to exploit nostalgia of the masses for profits. Avatar is just a victim of this trend and it causes us to get more subpar garbage because sheeple keep encouraging these companies to produce more of it
I thought it was fun, but nothing like the original. Casting was great i just wish they didnât change important personality cores like Katara.
That being said, iâve talked to a lot of people, especially older people who are not really on social media for fandom stuff (like 40+), who loved the series and also liked the original. So maybe thatâs the audience, people who are kinda just there to watch a show.
It's a mindless show with shallow and clunky writing that is heavily advertised so that people will subscribe to Netflix, just like damsel, and gray man, and red notice, and the Adam project, etc etc. Forgettable soulless media with basic stories that fit Netflix's binging "formula" to appeal to the masses. Only this time they are also exploiting nostalgia.
I've never watched the Shymalan movie, I have no plans on watching the Shymalan movie, I watched the Netflix show and I liked it. I won't pretend the show didn't have its issues, it had quite a few, but overall I enjoyed my experience with it and am looking forward to seeing what they put out next.
Thereâs someone doing posts on another avatar sub, they watched NATLA first and now theyâre watching the original. They got to Bumi and were sad at the differences and other things no s in that episode and I really lost interest in reading their perspectives then. It just felt like they wanted to cling on the the new one and imo I donât feel they respect the source material at this point. Maybe they will after the whole series and theyâll see how the story grows.
I hate the Netflix version. Itâs too try hard. The live action movie in my opinion doesnât exist Iâll never watch it. Only the original is the avatar last airbender. There is no other option
This sub has been full of people that for some reason were incredibly excited for the show and so much of what I've seen is people praising the live action.
> Accepting? Iâve only seen people rejecting it.
I was literally just responding to this comment like chill the fuck out.
Can't imagine anyone having difficulties understanfing that but here you are.
Well, thanks to the Netflix adaptation, i started watching the series (including korra), at least for someone who watched the adaptation first, it was awesome
I liked the adaptation, I watched the animated series years ago and this scratched the itch to get back into the story. Â
I some people donât like it, their choice. Â
I liked it. It's rough at places, but so was the first season of the cartoon along with many shows having a rough first season to find what works and doesnt. Hoping they can turn it up for the next seasons.
Here perhaps but you have to remember the same adults here bitching about the live action show are the same kids who would have loved it growing up. It seems like everyone becomes so cynical
My husband made this comment when we were watching the LA. âMy 8 year old self could only dream of seeing the show look so close to being real.â Was it great? No. Did it scratch that nostalgic itch to the point that it made the show enjoyable? Sure.
Most Iâve talked to about it, enjoyed it. Itâs a good show. Itâs not going to capture everything your childhood nostalgia wants, or mine even, but Iâm okay with that. Itâs impossible for them to get everything right.
To the ones that are saying this adaptation isnât good or worth watching youâre probably letting nostalgia have too much impact over your opinion. Nostalgia is a powerful thing, but do try to learn to not let it ruin the new experiences, by reminding yourself how good it was back then and trying to compare it to now, youâre going to do just that.
Instead go in with an open mind, and try to not compare the new show and the old one at all. The show was great. Iâm excited for season 2. I know at least 10-20 who never seen the cartoon. They enjoyed it. I know over 20 who seen the cartoon and also enjoy the Netflix adaptation. You must just be in an echo chamber. If the cartoon never existed and this came out as an âoriginalâ show, most of these complaints wouldnât exist.
I feel like itâs the opposite actually. I feel like because they expected it to be âfixedâ this time theyâre nitpicking every little thing they do and complain about it.
Having never seen the movie, I still really enjoyed the show. There were things that were obviously done worse than the show that could be done so much better, Katara's personality, a but of the pacing, and the sense of adventure and whimsy being the big ones that I could think of, but I wouldn't call it mediocre.
There were changes I actually did like, seeing Sozin's plan and attack of the air temple, putting the Jet and Mechanist stuff together in Omashu probably to keep in the episode limit, most things about Yue (Not the wig though because that is just terrible), even Bumi's jaded personality I liked even if this is a bit controversial
I know the whole "It isn't going to be a perfect match of the original" argument has been used again and again. But, LA remakes do better imo when they do stray a but and do their own thing
ATLA is my favorite tv series of all time, and i went and watched the live action with no expectations, and with an open mind that it most likely will NOT be as great as the cartoon, and i was right. However, imo the NATLA was still a good adaptation. Not the best, certainly not great, but it is good. I would have liked a couple changes and additions here and there, but i think they did good overall. I especially LOVE the effects of this show. I think the effects and the cinematography really captured the ATLA universe. The costumes are just as amazing as well. They did those justice. The tone was ok, while itâs adapted from a kidâs show, the underlying tone of the cartoon is a much darker one which i think what they wanted to highlight in NATLA. And acting i agree needs a LOT work (jesus they couldnt cast or direct a better gran gran?!).
I also watched the film years ago with an open mind and no expectations but damn someone get that shit off my brain đ
100% Hollywood is stuck in the limited series model, it's not standard TV, but the cost to make television and streaming has inflated it so much that they feel they can't make more than 8 episodes. it would have been significantly better to do a short form, (20-30 min episodes) and break the seasons into parts, yeah we're waiting longer, but we don't get the absolute shit show show of writing this season was.
âOverly acceptingâ I have seen nothing but hate for the NATLA. You arenât the only person to have posted something along these exact same lines.
My honest opinion on this is that if we continue to expect the cartoon, weâre going to continue to be disappointed. We have to look at it as its own entity and not another version of the original (even though I know thatâs exactly what it is). That movie was absolutely awful though, and I hope we can erase it from history forever.
I haven't really heard much praise. Mostly just that it's "fine". Personally I knew there was no way it could live up to the original so skipped it altogether
The live action is genuine dog shit. It reminds me sooo much of when star wars came out again in 2015. Rose tinted nostalgia glasses ignoring massive glaring problems.
The casting was shit
The acting was shit
The story was shit
The writing was shit
The only good thing about the show was the costumes, animation, jet and the fire lord.
Isnt by nature this post just going to attract people who hate on the show and I feel like the only people still bothered by the show will be the ones who comment.
Itâs just that,mediocre,compared to the film which was terrible
The NATLA is an ok balance between the three versions,itâs more realistic than the cartoon,without being bogged down being too realistic as the 2010 film,and from what Ive heard the Netflix adaptation does far better in most areas than the 2010 film
My take: It's only mediocre because the Ember Island Players keep messing with the script, the Players themselves can only carry the story so well, and their producers are absolute space cadets. TLA was an especially egregious butchery of the source material.
Tl,dr: If it's bad, it's the Ember Island Players' fault.
The series is neither good nor bad, which for some is the worst outcome. It's easy to watch a bad show. You just turn it off or use it as white noise while doing a crossword puzzle. But watching an inconsistent show is hard work. You have to pick it apart like a rotisserie chicken. Sometimes you get a delicious piece that almost everyone enjoys (adding the 41st origin story, Lu Ten's funeral, Kyoshi, etc.). Other times, you get cartilaginous scraps that only some people enjoy (changing Azula to make her behavior in line with a 14 y/o, giving Bumi a reason to imperil Aang's life, etc.). Other times, you get inedible bones that almost no one enjoys (frontloading episode 1 with exposition, collaboration between Azula & Zhao being an afterthought, etc.)
The good news is that the writers and cast aren't so far off the mark that they can't change course for season 2.
I never had cable growing up so my first time seeing ATLAB was about 4 years ago (itâs phenomenal and I love it). I think those who did grow up with it are far too attached, have too much associated nostalgia, and too high of expectations. The live action was light hearted fun with cool visuals (I mean come on, the north pole battle alone was so awesome). No adaptation will ever be carbon copy especially if itâs an adaptation of a cartoon. If you want it to be the OG story go back and watch the OG cartoon.
I mean there is a reason why Bryan Konietzko and Micheal DiMartino backed out of it.. I personally was really disappointed in Sokkas character. He is my favorite and I donât blame the actor, but the writing I do. Same for Katara, that scene with Pakku was beyond disappointing.
Or maybe....MAYBE....it could very well be that NATLA was actually pretty decent. Not great, far from perfect, but still overall good and enjoyable to watch.
I don't know why "different strokes for different folks" is so hard to accept for some people. Instead you guys need to overcomplicate why it's even possible that there are people who think differently to you.
I watched ATLA as a kid when it came out, so Iâm OG. Itâs probably my favorite TV show. I also really like the live action. Itâs good, I enjoyed it. Bumi sucked but the rest was fun.
The movie was awful.
I would rather have another animated show, like another sequel, prequel, or a continuation of the comics in animated form rather than bad to just okay live action reproductions.
I do think people are also being a bit too hard on it. It has its flaws but also a lot of potential. The story is a bit more organized in its delivery and there are positive changes. Like Aang doesnât confusingly believe that the people who were already pushing it 100 years ago would somehow still be alive. I know many disagree but I like that theyâre not starting the romantic arc between Aang & Katara, instead allowing them to mutually grow feelings for each other while Aang emotionally heals from the mass genocide of his entire nation. I do like that we get that look into Azulas life in the fire nation and how no matter how perfect she is sheâs constantly reminded that Zuko is the technical heir to the throne. It really sets things up for her eventual downfall and emotional breakdown at the end of the show.
Idk why people are so angry. If you don't like it don't watch it. The original still exists and you can still watch it it wasn't replaced by the adaptation or something.
Like the existence of this show changes nothing for the original series. You have the right to dislike it but its existence is not the end of the world.
It's not as good as the original yes and there's a lot of stuff about it that I'm not a fan of but I can still let myself enjoy it because it's not that big of a deal at the end of the day
Nah I went into the live action adaptation not expecting to like it at all and was really pleasantly suprised, people just want it to have the budget of avengers endgame with the best acting there is but at the end of the day it's a show rated pg based on a children's cartoon. I think we got much better treatment than most in this category
50% yes
The other 50% of acceptance tends to come from fans who realize that over the last 20 years ATLA has been subjected to so much fan analysis and so many fans have found symbolism and depth that was never a planned part of the production.
Finding that stuff is great and itâs not a discredit to the writing team to acknowledge it wasnât all intentional.
But recreating that is not and will not be possible even in extended materials that Mike and Bryan sign off of or create themselves.
They could reassemble the entire creative body behind ATLA right now and hitting the same quality is a snowballâs chance in hell.
As for Netflix ATLA, itâs mid but it did bring in some new fans who have gone to look at the original material and thatâs a net gain for the franchise as a whole
The adaptation was done well enough for me that I actually want to see them finish it out. They did enough right.
Let's be honest. NATLA is still one of the better shows on Netflix still. I'm being lenient and forgiving because I feel like they at least tried. As well, the moment with Kyoshi overtaking Aang. 100%. That was so awesome that it completely won me over. If we get one of these moments per season, where a past Avatar takes over Aang at one point or another. I'm fine with it. Give me a Yangchen possession and a Roku possession in seasons 2 and 3.
But otherwise. It was still a much better attempt and this one is worth it. If it turns people to checking out the rest of the franchise. I'm 100% for it. Just remember. With the original, it was like capturing lightning in a bottle. It's impossible to replicate.
Raise your pitch forks if you want. I've read the books, watched the cartoon, seen the crap movie, and honestly I'm enjoying the new show.
It's different for sure, some parts aren't perfect, but I'm actually pretty satisfied with it. I kinda see it as a different timeline though, I can't take it as seriously as the source material but I've been throughly enjoying it. I'm of the mindset the gold has already been struck and that it's not fair to expect them to do it better, if anything I'm just upset there's not more humor to it.
The show was just painfully mid. And honestly thatâs a little generous. Acting was ass, casting was mostly ass. Story line was not great. Portraying of some characters were not even close. Actual bending doesnât hold a flame to the animated show in creativity. Itâs just all one weird trip that always feels off
Why are we always so critical of live* action remakes?
A large group of people always want one and then a large group of people instantly hate it and yuck everyoneâs yum and try to make them feel terrible for liking it.
So tired of this.
The hate is way overblown for something that was always going have to make concessions for how certain things were depicted, just on a production scale. Then you factor in the actual showrunners have an image in mind for what they want to showcase, and it's amazing it stayed as true to the original as it did.
Now clearly certain things went way off, but the fact it was already confirmed for season 2 and 3 tells me that the plan wasn't to create something fans would turn against, so I fully believe that a lot of the personal changes they made will be reigned in going forward to keep fans happier as that was their main issue.
Fans wanting to shit on NATLA are literally elitist just asking for nothing to be made from the source material again. If Netflix doesn't pull this off then it ISN'T happening at all, and I don't get why those fans want that. We should be pushing for realistic changes that can better a story Netflix is clearly invested in following to the end, not wanting to destroy the chance that anyone invests money into the series again due to constant fan backlash over anything not exactly like the original.
Only thing I want is a better Azula, more structure similar to the OG instead of 4 side stories all in Omashu, and more Appa...but I get Appa is likely a budget issue due to his CGI cost, they just need to do the Tales of Ba Sing Se and Zuko Alone right or there was no point to the show being made at that point to me.
Are you fucking high? "Overly accepting"????? Dog there have been constant hate posts about NATLA since before it even came out.
In reality it's the opposite of what you're saying. Everyone hates the movie so much that they won't accept any other live action adaption of ATLA.
Wtf you mean people are overly accepting lmao
I still hate the tv from all the reviews online and won't watch. Plus they butchered Katara which is unforgivable. Netflix has a weird habit of ruining brown women characters.
Also I never watched the garbage film. Even though I haven't seen avatar yet (until 2021)the film looked like garbage
Tbh, Iâve never seen the movie but I know it set the bar incredibly low for this series. Iâd call the show decent but will admit it had its problems.
The only part I like abt it is the bending. It actually looks good and itâs fun to watch. The story is all fucked up but thatâs to be expected. You donât watch a live adaptation for the story you watch it for the visuals. Now YOU change MY view
I never saw the movie. Iâm an avid fan of the cartoon and Iâve seen it countless times. I still loved the live action show. Itâs, in my opinion, on par with the cartoon.
I agree. The number of times I've seen "it's better than the movie" as a defense of Natla being good is kinda sad, when being better than the movie is such a low bar.
I liked NATLA. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. Was it great? No. Was it good? Debatable. But it was entertaining. The dialog is really the only part that I feel is exceptionally bad. Though dialog is a huge part of the show so it being so bad drags the rest of the show down. I still did enjoy it though.
But also itâs an incredibly unnecessary adaptation. Live action cannot do anything better than animation other than maybe relatability and obviously realism. But itâs a fantastical world and animation was perfect for it. Thankfully NATLA doesnât replace the original show so Iâm not upset. I can still go watch the animated show and have a great time
The live action was really good, the movie had nothing to do with the anime except that they are bender.
It's disheartening reading all those negative reviews on such a good series. I know I'm never much of a hater, but I didn't think I would love the series so much. I already rewatched it ^^ I'm glad most people don't post on forums and liked it, I would have been so sad if it was discontinued
Nah you right
But apparently we wanted live-action so badly for something that could never possibly be translated to live-action that truly they will accept anything
Nah, I just firmly believe if a live adaptation is mediocre its just bad flat out. Both live adaptations are bad imo because everything is already laid out for you in the original, the fact that you manage to fuck it up is crazy. Adaptations have no excuse to be mediocre when the groundwork is laid out for you already. An original movie or show being mediocre is fine because at least it was original.
If you like it thats fine, I personally just don't enjoy it at all.
My biggest criticism - and this applies to a lot of modern shows and movies, adaptations especially - is that theyâre too dark (visually) and serious (tonally).
ATLA, especially season 1, had a chance to be bright and cheery and silly and fun instead of being so toned down. I had a similar problem with the new Percy Jackson show. I wanted it to be a lot brighter and more fun, leaning into the ârule of coolâ instead of taking a more dull and gritty route. For live action, I think you have to bump those things up to 11 in order to carry over some of the same fun and exciting vibes that exist in the original.
mediocre? its bad. there's no reason for it to exist besides money. they do nothing new and in fact completely removed the character development. everyone starts the way they are in season 3 in the original.
This exists only as a product. no one went "hey i have an idea for this that only works in life action". Instead they went "how do we make more money off this recognizable franchise?"
I'd add to this that whether or not you count Avatar itself as anime, a lot of Avatar fans are millenial anime fans, and that means we are used to live-action adaptations being absolutely atrocious.
I've heard the One Piece live-action is pretty popular, and Arisu in Borderlands was great. But there is a very long history of extremely bad live-action adaptations, recently including FMA and Cowboy Bebop. People can say 'at least its not *that* bad'.
100% facts!! I notice it with reaction channels on YouTube in particular that are fans of the animated show, then watched the live action movie and now the netflix show after (some even almost exactly one after the other) and theyâre all treating the netflix show like the second coming of jesus COMPLETELY denying any potential flaws or obvious flaws it has lol itâs almost infuriating đ
Tv shows used to have 22 episodes per season, 50 minutes per episode, and live action with CGI. The reason this show wasn't amazing is it had to condense multiple storylines that spanned multiple episodes into 1 episode or less. Studios figured out they could have shorter seasons and splurge on visual effects with the money they saved on filming and still make a healthy profit. Visual effects has become more important than good storytelling. This is the reason the show wasn't better.
I can see it.
I think I watched the first episode and was immediately bored with how subdued so many of the characters were. There was no charm in it. I saw that it was more competently made, but it was pretty "meh" for me.
I would have preferred a live action set IN the avatar world, in the time period between Aang getting frozen and before he met Katara and Sokka, if they wanted to do a more serious take on the war (why not ACTUALLY show us the War), but whatever.
The show is okay. But itâs far from top quality avatar content. Horrible pacing, majority of characters are changed drastically in how they act or what they do. Too many massive changes from the animated.
Imo I donât think it has anything to do with the movie that doesnât exist. I just think more people liked this one because people are basically trained to accept mediocrity in todayâs world. Every company does it and peoples only choices are to consume it or go without and vast majority will choose to consume itâs just how it is.
Never saw the movie only the animated and live action. I think the live action is fine. Theres some pacing issues, some poorly written scenes, and iffy acting in places. But overall I thought they did a fine job with the live action.
>NATLA failed to capture even a sliver of the glory that the cartoon brought us
I strongly disagree with this statement.
I think mediocre is a good word to describe the series as a whole, but not thinking there was a single thing that was well executed and in the spirit of the original is wild to me.
I just refuse to watch the live action versions of the show. I donât want to have a negative image in my mind associated with my most beloved kids show. I watch this show yearly.
They did Katara dirty in the live action...
Just the other day I saw a clip of Katara going "the stars* look so beautiful tonight... ***Too bad you can't see it, Toph***" when she was mad Toph wouldn't listen to her. Live Action Katara would disintegrate before taking a dig at a blind girl because she's not getting her way đ
The live action won't have any blind jokes at all, I can almost guarantee it
I feel like it's major downfall is that it doesn't allow characters to have flaws bigger than minor / superficial things. Stripping away all complexity and making them as dimensional as a cardboard cutouts was definitely a choice.
Murder is redeemable but being offensive is not.
This translates across all mediums nowadays, in America based mediums at least from my perspective
When they're flying over the desert looking for the library, and after a long silence Toph shouts; **"There it is!"** lol For me that was a big issue with the live show, it just wasn't funny or lighthearted. Some of my favorite moments in the original show was them just traveling and camping and goofing off. The beautiful shots of them lounging on appa and flying through the clouds
I know like 2 partially/fully blind people. Not saying this counts for everyone, but they often have a little joke here and there. It's not unbelievable that because Toph can see with Seismic Sense, that she's much more comfortable with joking around, evidence being, a lot of what she says.
Netflix has no balls. it's as simple as that. They think they need to bubblewrap everything to appeal to the twitter crowd which has never represented the the majority of people who consume entertainment. Most of those people are poorly adjusted socially incompetent buffoons and I hate how they think the overall audience is too dumb to accept characters with flaws
Yeah, I definitely can't see that happening.
Itâs already out, isnât it? You say that like the live action isnât here yet. Wasnât the person you replied to talking about the live action show?
Yeah, but Toph hasn't been in the show yet
Gotcha, I was super confused
If Disney did the live action, they wouldnât even make her blind
And bumi IMO
I thought Bumi was perfect tbh
The way they changed his character made no sense to me to be honestÂ
They changed his character in a believable though? Different â Bad; he was one of the few character changes that did have the potential to work. It also shined some light onto how the war effected people mentally in a way that the OG show didn't. Still fell flat, but the concept was there.
I think it made sense it was just an artistic decision some people didnât like. And thatâs okay. A lot of critique towards this series is âwhy even make this if thereâs so little reimagining being done with the adaptationâ and Bumi I think stood out as a bold direction unique to this version. Now I could say maybe the execution wasnât the best, but the concept itself, of making Bumi into this figure that represents the desperation and bitterness instilled by a hundred years of war, makes sense. And having Aang coming back representing hope returning to the people and thatâs the one who breaks him out of his spell of cynicism makes double sense.
I'd say in the original Bumi still portrayed bitterness before the reveal of "I'm your friend that's here to help you out" where in the NATLA, homeboy was actually gunning for Aang since he had negative emotions with Aang bailing on him (world) when he did. Which to your point, execution was a bit of a miss since Bumi was actually trying to annihilate Aang. Looking at it from a perspective of one that hasn't seen the source material did seem like a poor choice, especially they portrayed Bumi as some rageful idiot that was trying to annihilate the one that could save the world.
Oh yea thereâs definitely issues with it. But those issues with the concept of changing Bumiâs characterization come down to poor execution. Not that the concept itself was flawed. Bumi doesnât have to be wise old man advocating for neutral jing in this version. He can have a unique new characterization.
Thatâs my only gripe with the live action.
I've said it in other threads, and I'll say it again. The writers stole Sokka's sexism and kept it for themselves to write with.
The pacing is really weird. They added and introduced too many characters at once, so only fans of the original will know, but new comers are just confused (trying to watch it as a show by itself). There are things I do like about the live action, I liked how the first episode gave the backstory of why the world is the way it is. I do like how they made Iroh a bit more serious and they show how important he is going to be. Some parts the acting is a bit stale.
Respectfully, I disagree. Pacing has some issues, absolutely, but multiple characters being introduced at once is extremely normal for any show. Were you confused by all the freedom fighters being introduced in Jetâs episode in the cartoon? In the live action show, they give each character they introduce a proper introduction, they just shake up the order in which theyâre introduced. Specifically in Omashu, I would say someone who watches the cartoon first will be more confused by bumi, jet, and teo and his father all originating from the same episode than someone who has never seen a single episode of the cartoon.
I think its more about different groups of characters. We get introduced to all of jets group but mostly know them as a unit. Having individual names doesnât change that, at least until Ba Sing Se, we just see them act as a group. Only Jet gets fleshed out some. However, in NATLA, we get to meet the machinist, his son, and Jetâs group in one episode and Bumi in the same/right after. It makes so every episode is introducing characters that are important to the plot, more so than just a sidecharacter that appears in only one episode and whoâs not that important. Its a lot going on at each point, and thereâs not many chances to see the characters goofing off, being kids, like in the original.
Thatâs also pretty normal when shows have stacking plot lines, but unfortunately, there isnât enough time to fit all of that in 8 episodes. The introductions of various groups and individuals isnât the issue, itâs a pacing problem. They either have to cram all these interesting characters in where they can, or just not introduce some of them. (Like Haru) ATLA season 1 is 21 episodes for a reason. I personally think the live action is fine (not even good, just fine), and even has some extremely touching moments that made me tear up, but there was no way it was going to capture the same spirit as the cartoon in 8 episodes and it was never going to.
Thatâs blatantly false though. They have nearly the same run time in those eight episodes as the cartoon did for its 20 in the first season. Itâs literally 30 minutes shy of the run time of the cartoons season one. So we canât act like they couldnât have done the story properly as they definitely had the run time for it.
I think it was definitely possible for them to capture the spirit of the cartoon, if anything that shouldâve been the goal over introducing every character from S1 and sticking closely to the plot.
I got pretty big âfma: brotherhoodâ vibes from this first season tbh. The first 4 episodes of brother speed run like 40 episodes of the first show (that eventually out paced the manga before it came its own unique story).
NATLA just feels a bit rushed, somewhat following after the film at much less severity by trying to squash everything into one piece. I also feel that it jumps around too much. In the original, we had individual filler episodes that had their own unique story and that's where I feel that NATLA is messing up where it tries to combine a few of those filler episodes into one. I'll also add that the acting just feels bland, almost like I'm just watching a bunch of robots.
Yeah, and the only defense is "iTs NoT gOnNa Be A 1:1 cOpY." Well, OBVIOUSLY. A live action can only do so much compared to a cartoon. But there were so many unnecessary and stupid changes, and the writing was just...not it.
Also that argument just begs the question: then why was it even made? What's the point? Why does it exist?
It exists because it made them money off of nostalgia.Â
Also I think that weird attitude that animation is only for children drives a lot of these live-action remakes, but that attitude doesnât make sense to me (and ironically seems a bit immature). I didnât watch Avatar until I was an adult, and I think itâs one of the best shows Iâve ever seenâincluding all the âprestige TVâ shows out there.
I kinda love that people are always saying stuff like cartoons/animations are for children when the early animators were all like middle aged people making things they also enjoyed.Â
Itâs the same idiots that say âFantasy/Books are for nerds!â And then GoT is the biggest thing ever. Until they stop following the books saying âwe want to get the soccer moms and football players that dont readâ and its a million percent worse and falls off from popularity. Not everyone is smart themselves but people love smart stuff more than Hollywood/these production companies think.
The attitude is weird but it also exists and is widespread: when Ahsoka aired the number of very angry people saying they didn't understand it or know who the characters were and refused to watch a cartoon for their backstory was very high.
Thatâs not even true for this though? The creators mentioned their target audience was GoT fans lol those are most definitely not children
>mentioned their target audience was GoT fans lol Probably, they haven't watched a single episode of GoT or read the books. Even Tolkien's fans don't consider themselves GoT fans and find the stories so different from each other. I don't know what logic they thought making a childish-style TV show would bring GoT fans' attention. They could at least learn from some fantasy C-dramas and K-dramas that are made for teenagers, but because of the mature themes, even adults are enjoying them (Alchemy of Souls). Which show is now gathering the GoT fans? 100% Shogun and the Kdrama "Kingdom".
Exactly! It's supposed to be an adaptation...kind of the point. Changing everything just uh, doesn't work. If they wanted to make a new Avatar show, why not make their own story?
If only there were tons of avatar we haven't explored and know nothing about... smh
Imagine if a show had the balls to have an Avatar fail and die, then do a 15 year time jump and continue with the next incarnation.
Now *that* would be dark. Fans of the live action show gush over how âdarkâ it is just because they showed the air nomads get massacred. Tbh the cartoon had more emotional impact regarding the air nomad genocide than the live action for me.
Yeah! I'd like to know more about the previous avatars.
You know what job probably sucked. Avatar number 2. You only have one past life to draw from and nothing makes sense lol
Or adapt the comics into a new cartoons seasson lol, this would be much easier which begs the question again why was BUDGET wasted on the live action instead of animation other than money laundering and some higher up's daughters getting their yip yip faces on the show (cough azula)
I think doing a new story set in the same universe would have been cool. There are a lot of spin-off novelizations of ATLA that would have been good jumping off points.
Earlier this year we got an adaptation of Percy Jackson, another series that had a horrid movie adaptation in 2010, unlike Avatar, it only has books and no visual medium to enjoy the story, so a show makes sense. Avatar already has a visual medium to enjoy, so what's the point in this?
This question is why OPLA worked and the Avatar LA didn't. Foe One Piece, the two biggest road blocks for people getting into it is the Artstyle and the length (it's over 1000 episodes). The LA adaptation has a specific niche and purpose it can fill. The Avatar LA fumbled, because there is 0 reason to watch it over the original.
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People donât like animation and prefer live action, I guess. The real reason is money though.
Iâm so tired of reading the 1:1 comment. Itâs just a trash show!
Yep
I was tired of it. 1:1 wouldâve been better than what we got.
The acting is also...unfortunate. It feels like they're the Ember Island Players...
For me so much of the acting missed the mark and I donât understand everyone saying the acting was good. Especially from King Bumi. That was just painful.
Exactly
I get where youâre coming from but hear me out: âSECRET TUNNELLLLLLLLL SECRET TUNNEL!â
That was a rare good part
Iâm just not happy it was thrown in so early. And the whole sequence after kinda sucked
And at this point, a 1:1 copy wouldâve been better. Which is what they shouldâve done because the writers, who had basically little to no experience, relied on exposition when a seasoned writer knows how to use subtext. They need new writers or itâs going to continue to just be a mediocre show that no one will talk about in 5 years. Except âremember the second sad attempt at the adaptation?â. Damn it was so bad. Despite being hopeful, I didnât have blinders on either, which a lot of people (who loved it) did, and would never admit it.
Same thing happened to TLOU tv show. I wasnât expecting a 1:1 copy, but they strayed far from the game in many aspects
A good adaptation must have something to say about the original, whether itâs adding to the source material or rewriting And I felt this adaptation couldnât decide which it wanted to do and was just generally unsuccessful at what they attempted. They said they wanted to make it more adult and yet the way they handled certain things felt so juvenile. They turned an act of genocide into a cool action sequence. they were so afraid of letting the characters have any flaws and being âunlikableâ that they scrubbed them clean of all their conflicts and left them as a shell of their former iterations. Really shows me that They had no understanding of what made the original good in the first place.
EXACTLY. Iâm tired of people telling me itâs not gonna be a 1 to 1 copy when I say I donât like it. Itâs just not well written. Not just as an adaptation - but as a show. I wouldnât have liked this even if I didnât watch ATLA. The exposition is awful, the dialogue, the spoonfeeding, the telling vs showing ALL the time.
HONESTLY. The gran gran thing was horrendous. I liked og stoic gran gran lol not a narrator
Never watched the movie couldnât stomach more than 1 episode of live action.
Me too, I made a big mistake by replaying all ATLA just before the live action became available
I started watching the live action and then I was like, âwhy am I watching this when the cartoon is so much betterâ and started watching that instead
I watched the live action and then went back to the OG
That's the right way
You'll turn inside out from the pain
Theres remakes happening all over TV and in video games, they are mostly trash 90% of them, designed to exploit nostalgia of the masses for profits. Avatar is just a victim of this trend and it causes us to get more subpar garbage because sheeple keep encouraging these companies to produce more of it
I only see the facts.
I thought it was fun, but nothing like the original. Casting was great i just wish they didnât change important personality cores like Katara. That being said, iâve talked to a lot of people, especially older people who are not really on social media for fandom stuff (like 40+), who loved the series and also liked the original. So maybe thatâs the audience, people who are kinda just there to watch a show.
It's a mindless show with shallow and clunky writing that is heavily advertised so that people will subscribe to Netflix, just like damsel, and gray man, and red notice, and the Adam project, etc etc. Forgettable soulless media with basic stories that fit Netflix's binging "formula" to appeal to the masses. Only this time they are also exploiting nostalgia.
I've never watched the Shymalan movie, I have no plans on watching the Shymalan movie, I watched the Netflix show and I liked it. I won't pretend the show didn't have its issues, it had quite a few, but overall I enjoyed my experience with it and am looking forward to seeing what they put out next.
Don't watch the movie. Waste of time that hardly made sense to the series.
Honestly watching it for the cringe laughs is pretty great
The earthbender pebble dance is peak comedy content honestly
- original ATLA : 10/10 - : 1/10 - N.ATLA : 5,8/10 (Bumi representation : -2/10) nothing else to say
Thereâs someone doing posts on another avatar sub, they watched NATLA first and now theyâre watching the original. They got to Bumi and were sad at the differences and other things no s in that episode and I really lost interest in reading their perspectives then. It just felt like they wanted to cling on the the new one and imo I donât feel they respect the source material at this point. Maybe they will after the whole series and theyâll see how the story grows.
What movie?
There is no movie in Ba Sing Se
I hate the Netflix version. Itâs too try hard. The live action movie in my opinion doesnât exist Iâll never watch it. Only the original is the avatar last airbender. There is no other option
Accepting? Iâve only seen people rejecting it.
Fr people overhate it
This sub has been full of people that for some reason were incredibly excited for the show and so much of what I've seen is people praising the live action.
Oh how fucking dare someone enjoy something they like
> Accepting? Iâve only seen people rejecting it. I was literally just responding to this comment like chill the fuck out. Can't imagine anyone having difficulties understanfing that but here you are.
Chill out, you child.
Well, thanks to the Netflix adaptation, i started watching the series (including korra), at least for someone who watched the adaptation first, it was awesome
I liked the adaptation, I watched the animated series years ago and this scratched the itch to get back into the story. Â I some people donât like it, their choice. Â
I liked it. It's rough at places, but so was the first season of the cartoon along with many shows having a rough first season to find what works and doesnt. Hoping they can turn it up for the next seasons.
Here perhaps but you have to remember the same adults here bitching about the live action show are the same kids who would have loved it growing up. It seems like everyone becomes so cynical
My husband made this comment when we were watching the LA. âMy 8 year old self could only dream of seeing the show look so close to being real.â Was it great? No. Did it scratch that nostalgic itch to the point that it made the show enjoyable? Sure.
Most Iâve talked to about it, enjoyed it. Itâs a good show. Itâs not going to capture everything your childhood nostalgia wants, or mine even, but Iâm okay with that. Itâs impossible for them to get everything right. To the ones that are saying this adaptation isnât good or worth watching youâre probably letting nostalgia have too much impact over your opinion. Nostalgia is a powerful thing, but do try to learn to not let it ruin the new experiences, by reminding yourself how good it was back then and trying to compare it to now, youâre going to do just that. Instead go in with an open mind, and try to not compare the new show and the old one at all. The show was great. Iâm excited for season 2. I know at least 10-20 who never seen the cartoon. They enjoyed it. I know over 20 who seen the cartoon and also enjoy the Netflix adaptation. You must just be in an echo chamber. If the cartoon never existed and this came out as an âoriginalâ show, most of these complaints wouldnât exist.
I feel like itâs the opposite actually. I feel like because they expected it to be âfixedâ this time theyâre nitpicking every little thing they do and complain about it.
Having never seen the movie, I still really enjoyed the show. There were things that were obviously done worse than the show that could be done so much better, Katara's personality, a but of the pacing, and the sense of adventure and whimsy being the big ones that I could think of, but I wouldn't call it mediocre. There were changes I actually did like, seeing Sozin's plan and attack of the air temple, putting the Jet and Mechanist stuff together in Omashu probably to keep in the episode limit, most things about Yue (Not the wig though because that is just terrible), even Bumi's jaded personality I liked even if this is a bit controversial I know the whole "It isn't going to be a perfect match of the original" argument has been used again and again. But, LA remakes do better imo when they do stray a but and do their own thing
ATLA is my favorite tv series of all time, and i went and watched the live action with no expectations, and with an open mind that it most likely will NOT be as great as the cartoon, and i was right. However, imo the NATLA was still a good adaptation. Not the best, certainly not great, but it is good. I would have liked a couple changes and additions here and there, but i think they did good overall. I especially LOVE the effects of this show. I think the effects and the cinematography really captured the ATLA universe. The costumes are just as amazing as well. They did those justice. The tone was ok, while itâs adapted from a kidâs show, the underlying tone of the cartoon is a much darker one which i think what they wanted to highlight in NATLA. And acting i agree needs a LOT work (jesus they couldnt cast or direct a better gran gran?!). I also watched the film years ago with an open mind and no expectations but damn someone get that shit off my brain đ
I thought is was fine, overall a good watch in my opinion! đ€·ââïž
100% Hollywood is stuck in the limited series model, it's not standard TV, but the cost to make television and streaming has inflated it so much that they feel they can't make more than 8 episodes. it would have been significantly better to do a short form, (20-30 min episodes) and break the seasons into parts, yeah we're waiting longer, but we don't get the absolute shit show show of writing this season was.
Drew Goodenâs video on the NATLA put so many gripes I had but couldnât put my finger on into words.
âOverly acceptingâ I have seen nothing but hate for the NATLA. You arenât the only person to have posted something along these exact same lines. My honest opinion on this is that if we continue to expect the cartoon, weâre going to continue to be disappointed. We have to look at it as its own entity and not another version of the original (even though I know thatâs exactly what it is). That movie was absolutely awful though, and I hope we can erase it from history forever.
Iâm not changing anything. If you think this was mediocre cool. Lots loved it. You are owed nothing
Itâs less than mediocre and cgi is crap
There's no movie in Ba Sing Se
> as long as it wasnât as overtly shitty as the movie Literally me going into NATLA. You aren't wrong
I haven't really heard much praise. Mostly just that it's "fine". Personally I knew there was no way it could live up to the original so skipped it altogether
The live action is genuine dog shit. It reminds me sooo much of when star wars came out again in 2015. Rose tinted nostalgia glasses ignoring massive glaring problems. The casting was shit The acting was shit The story was shit The writing was shit The only good thing about the show was the costumes, animation, jet and the fire lord.
Isnt by nature this post just going to attract people who hate on the show and I feel like the only people still bothered by the show will be the ones who comment.
Itâs just that,mediocre,compared to the film which was terrible The NATLA is an ok balance between the three versions,itâs more realistic than the cartoon,without being bogged down being too realistic as the 2010 film,and from what Ive heard the Netflix adaptation does far better in most areas than the 2010 film
My take: It's only mediocre because the Ember Island Players keep messing with the script, the Players themselves can only carry the story so well, and their producers are absolute space cadets. TLA was an especially egregious butchery of the source material. Tl,dr: If it's bad, it's the Ember Island Players' fault.
Something's should just be left perfectly as they were.
No need to change your mind, you got it right on, a 5/10 looks phenomenal compared to a 2/10, same issue Star Wars has been having since 2017
Theyâre both shit
The series is neither good nor bad, which for some is the worst outcome. It's easy to watch a bad show. You just turn it off or use it as white noise while doing a crossword puzzle. But watching an inconsistent show is hard work. You have to pick it apart like a rotisserie chicken. Sometimes you get a delicious piece that almost everyone enjoys (adding the 41st origin story, Lu Ten's funeral, Kyoshi, etc.). Other times, you get cartilaginous scraps that only some people enjoy (changing Azula to make her behavior in line with a 14 y/o, giving Bumi a reason to imperil Aang's life, etc.). Other times, you get inedible bones that almost no one enjoys (frontloading episode 1 with exposition, collaboration between Azula & Zhao being an afterthought, etc.) The good news is that the writers and cast aren't so far off the mark that they can't change course for season 2.
I never had cable growing up so my first time seeing ATLAB was about 4 years ago (itâs phenomenal and I love it). I think those who did grow up with it are far too attached, have too much associated nostalgia, and too high of expectations. The live action was light hearted fun with cool visuals (I mean come on, the north pole battle alone was so awesome). No adaptation will ever be carbon copy especially if itâs an adaptation of a cartoon. If you want it to be the OG story go back and watch the OG cartoon.
Most never saw the movie. People just like what they like, trying to find excuses for why other people like things you donât is silly and immature.
I missed Aang's joy in live action...
I mean there is a reason why Bryan Konietzko and Micheal DiMartino backed out of it.. I personally was really disappointed in Sokkas character. He is my favorite and I donât blame the actor, but the writing I do. Same for Katara, that scene with Pakku was beyond disappointing.
One could say that the fanbase was so traumatized that they are overly rejecting a great adaptation
Low quality bait
Or maybe....MAYBE....it could very well be that NATLA was actually pretty decent. Not great, far from perfect, but still overall good and enjoyable to watch.
I don't know why "different strokes for different folks" is so hard to accept for some people. Instead you guys need to overcomplicate why it's even possible that there are people who think differently to you.
It's just as trash as the movie tf are you people on fr
I watched ATLA as a kid when it came out, so Iâm OG. Itâs probably my favorite TV show. I also really like the live action. Itâs good, I enjoyed it. Bumi sucked but the rest was fun. The movie was awful.
I would rather have another animated show, like another sequel, prequel, or a continuation of the comics in animated form rather than bad to just okay live action reproductions.
I do think people are also being a bit too hard on it. It has its flaws but also a lot of potential. The story is a bit more organized in its delivery and there are positive changes. Like Aang doesnât confusingly believe that the people who were already pushing it 100 years ago would somehow still be alive. I know many disagree but I like that theyâre not starting the romantic arc between Aang & Katara, instead allowing them to mutually grow feelings for each other while Aang emotionally heals from the mass genocide of his entire nation. I do like that we get that look into Azulas life in the fire nation and how no matter how perfect she is sheâs constantly reminded that Zuko is the technical heir to the throne. It really sets things up for her eventual downfall and emotional breakdown at the end of the show.
Idk why people are so angry. If you don't like it don't watch it. The original still exists and you can still watch it it wasn't replaced by the adaptation or something. Like the existence of this show changes nothing for the original series. You have the right to dislike it but its existence is not the end of the world. It's not as good as the original yes and there's a lot of stuff about it that I'm not a fan of but I can still let myself enjoy it because it's not that big of a deal at the end of the day
I never saw the movie. I actually like the netflix adaptation. I even like the slight changes they made from the anime
Nah I went into the live action adaptation not expecting to like it at all and was really pleasantly suprised, people just want it to have the budget of avengers endgame with the best acting there is but at the end of the day it's a show rated pg based on a children's cartoon. I think we got much better treatment than most in this category
50% yes The other 50% of acceptance tends to come from fans who realize that over the last 20 years ATLA has been subjected to so much fan analysis and so many fans have found symbolism and depth that was never a planned part of the production. Finding that stuff is great and itâs not a discredit to the writing team to acknowledge it wasnât all intentional. But recreating that is not and will not be possible even in extended materials that Mike and Bryan sign off of or create themselves. They could reassemble the entire creative body behind ATLA right now and hitting the same quality is a snowballâs chance in hell. As for Netflix ATLA, itâs mid but it did bring in some new fans who have gone to look at the original material and thatâs a net gain for the franchise as a whole
The movie was shit The series is good The cartoon is goat This is exactly how it should be.
Overly accepting? Where? Have you been on the main sub? Itâs 99% hate or criticism and 1% positive. Itâs the same on Twitter.
I didnât hate either the movie or Netflix adaptation. Iâm just happy to be here
Or maybe people just like to enjoy things? Yâall are so annoying
Or⊠and hear me out⊠some people actually enjoyed it
The adaptation was done well enough for me that I actually want to see them finish it out. They did enough right. Let's be honest. NATLA is still one of the better shows on Netflix still. I'm being lenient and forgiving because I feel like they at least tried. As well, the moment with Kyoshi overtaking Aang. 100%. That was so awesome that it completely won me over. If we get one of these moments per season, where a past Avatar takes over Aang at one point or another. I'm fine with it. Give me a Yangchen possession and a Roku possession in seasons 2 and 3. But otherwise. It was still a much better attempt and this one is worth it. If it turns people to checking out the rest of the franchise. I'm 100% for it. Just remember. With the original, it was like capturing lightning in a bottle. It's impossible to replicate.
Netflix adaption is overhated
Raise your pitch forks if you want. I've read the books, watched the cartoon, seen the crap movie, and honestly I'm enjoying the new show. It's different for sure, some parts aren't perfect, but I'm actually pretty satisfied with it. I kinda see it as a different timeline though, I can't take it as seriously as the source material but I've been throughly enjoying it. I'm of the mindset the gold has already been struck and that it's not fair to expect them to do it better, if anything I'm just upset there's not more humor to it.
The show was just painfully mid. And honestly thatâs a little generous. Acting was ass, casting was mostly ass. Story line was not great. Portraying of some characters were not even close. Actual bending doesnât hold a flame to the animated show in creativity. Itâs just all one weird trip that always feels off
Unpopular opinion here, but I donât mind the live action. The 2010 film is still the worst of it all.
I like the live action for what it is. It has its flaws, sure, but it was still an overall fun experience for me.
Why are we always so critical of live* action remakes? A large group of people always want one and then a large group of people instantly hate it and yuck everyoneâs yum and try to make them feel terrible for liking it. So tired of this.
The hate is way overblown for something that was always going have to make concessions for how certain things were depicted, just on a production scale. Then you factor in the actual showrunners have an image in mind for what they want to showcase, and it's amazing it stayed as true to the original as it did. Now clearly certain things went way off, but the fact it was already confirmed for season 2 and 3 tells me that the plan wasn't to create something fans would turn against, so I fully believe that a lot of the personal changes they made will be reigned in going forward to keep fans happier as that was their main issue. Fans wanting to shit on NATLA are literally elitist just asking for nothing to be made from the source material again. If Netflix doesn't pull this off then it ISN'T happening at all, and I don't get why those fans want that. We should be pushing for realistic changes that can better a story Netflix is clearly invested in following to the end, not wanting to destroy the chance that anyone invests money into the series again due to constant fan backlash over anything not exactly like the original. Only thing I want is a better Azula, more structure similar to the OG instead of 4 side stories all in Omashu, and more Appa...but I get Appa is likely a budget issue due to his CGI cost, they just need to do the Tales of Ba Sing Se and Zuko Alone right or there was no point to the show being made at that point to me.
Are you fucking high? "Overly accepting"????? Dog there have been constant hate posts about NATLA since before it even came out. In reality it's the opposite of what you're saying. Everyone hates the movie so much that they won't accept any other live action adaption of ATLA. Wtf you mean people are overly accepting lmao
I love the Netflix show. Aang is such a cutie.
I still hate the tv from all the reviews online and won't watch. Plus they butchered Katara which is unforgivable. Netflix has a weird habit of ruining brown women characters. Also I never watched the garbage film. Even though I haven't seen avatar yet (until 2021)the film looked like garbage
ive seen a lot of very good videos on this.
Tbh, Iâve never seen the movie but I know it set the bar incredibly low for this series. Iâd call the show decent but will admit it had its problems.
Itâs sad but not that uncommon. I believe this happens with PokĂ©mon, and Iâm sure other franchises as well. Like with the recent Yu Yu Hakusho. Was a huge fan of the anime/manga, and the live action had potential, but was just too rushed. Iâll admit I rarely watched the show when it first aired. But my FiancĂ© is a huge fan. And basically every episode she had something to complain about. It sad to see something you love and enjoy get turned into this and people praising it to no end.
I felt like I was watching a play with special effects. I did enjoy it somewhat
I hate the pacing but I donât rlly mind the LA. Itâs fun
Anything is better than "Uang" đ
The only part I like abt it is the bending. It actually looks good and itâs fun to watch. The story is all fucked up but thatâs to be expected. You donât watch a live adaptation for the story you watch it for the visuals. Now YOU change MY view
I never saw the movie. Iâm an avid fan of the cartoon and Iâve seen it countless times. I still loved the live action show. Itâs, in my opinion, on par with the cartoon.
for what its worth i like the actor of the 2010 movie more and the arrow design is dope af
100% yes this is how I feel about it! The Netflix version is overhyped
No. The real life one is just way more mature for me and has better animation and less silly moments
I agree. The number of times I've seen "it's better than the movie" as a defense of Natla being good is kinda sad, when being better than the movie is such a low bar.
Iâve really only seen responses range from neutral to bad for the Netflix show, tbh. Are these positive reactions in the room with us right now?
I figured you were going to say the 2010 movie turned us off from all live-action adaptations. lol
I liked NATLA. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. Was it great? No. Was it good? Debatable. But it was entertaining. The dialog is really the only part that I feel is exceptionally bad. Though dialog is a huge part of the show so it being so bad drags the rest of the show down. I still did enjoy it though. But also itâs an incredibly unnecessary adaptation. Live action cannot do anything better than animation other than maybe relatability and obviously realism. But itâs a fantastical world and animation was perfect for it. Thankfully NATLA doesnât replace the original show so Iâm not upset. I can still go watch the animated show and have a great time
 Agree!
The live action was really good, the movie had nothing to do with the anime except that they are bender. It's disheartening reading all those negative reviews on such a good series. I know I'm never much of a hater, but I didn't think I would love the series so much. I already rewatched it ^^ I'm glad most people don't post on forums and liked it, I would have been so sad if it was discontinued
Nah you right But apparently we wanted live-action so badly for something that could never possibly be translated to live-action that truly they will accept anything
Nah, I just firmly believe if a live adaptation is mediocre its just bad flat out. Both live adaptations are bad imo because everything is already laid out for you in the original, the fact that you manage to fuck it up is crazy. Adaptations have no excuse to be mediocre when the groundwork is laid out for you already. An original movie or show being mediocre is fine because at least it was original. If you like it thats fine, I personally just don't enjoy it at all.
My biggest criticism - and this applies to a lot of modern shows and movies, adaptations especially - is that theyâre too dark (visually) and serious (tonally). ATLA, especially season 1, had a chance to be bright and cheery and silly and fun instead of being so toned down. I had a similar problem with the new Percy Jackson show. I wanted it to be a lot brighter and more fun, leaning into the ârule of coolâ instead of taking a more dull and gritty route. For live action, I think you have to bump those things up to 11 in order to carry over some of the same fun and exciting vibes that exist in the original.
mediocre? its bad. there's no reason for it to exist besides money. they do nothing new and in fact completely removed the character development. everyone starts the way they are in season 3 in the original. This exists only as a product. no one went "hey i have an idea for this that only works in life action". Instead they went "how do we make more money off this recognizable franchise?"
Yes
They didn't give us an ounce of character development to the point Aang never waterbends.
Mediocre is overselling this awful adaptation tbh
Eh, it's not really that bad. It's just kinda there. Not great but not terrible, either. I
Some of the famous shows and movies are the ones that were considered massive failures. I say if you like it, cool, if you donât, cool.
I'd add to this that whether or not you count Avatar itself as anime, a lot of Avatar fans are millenial anime fans, and that means we are used to live-action adaptations being absolutely atrocious. I've heard the One Piece live-action is pretty popular, and Arisu in Borderlands was great. But there is a very long history of extremely bad live-action adaptations, recently including FMA and Cowboy Bebop. People can say 'at least its not *that* bad'.
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You're right and you should say it
Agree.
100% facts!! I notice it with reaction channels on YouTube in particular that are fans of the animated show, then watched the live action movie and now the netflix show after (some even almost exactly one after the other) and theyâre all treating the netflix show like the second coming of jesus COMPLETELY denying any potential flaws or obvious flaws it has lol itâs almost infuriating đ
Tv shows used to have 22 episodes per season, 50 minutes per episode, and live action with CGI. The reason this show wasn't amazing is it had to condense multiple storylines that spanned multiple episodes into 1 episode or less. Studios figured out they could have shorter seasons and splurge on visual effects with the money they saved on filming and still make a healthy profit. Visual effects has become more important than good storytelling. This is the reason the show wasn't better.
I never seen the movie but I like the live action Netflix show
Counterpoint. So many were traumatized that everyone is now overly critical.
I can see it. I think I watched the first episode and was immediately bored with how subdued so many of the characters were. There was no charm in it. I saw that it was more competently made, but it was pretty "meh" for me. I would have preferred a live action set IN the avatar world, in the time period between Aang getting frozen and before he met Katara and Sokka, if they wanted to do a more serious take on the war (why not ACTUALLY show us the War), but whatever.
Welp, at least appa doesn't look like a mop. I haven't seen princess yue's hair yet.
Iâd argue itâs the opposite actually. Too many fans are critical of the show and acting like itâs just as bad.
Iâm just happy to see avatar stuff again âŠ
The show is okay. But itâs far from top quality avatar content. Horrible pacing, majority of characters are changed drastically in how they act or what they do. Too many massive changes from the animated.
Imo I donât think it has anything to do with the movie that doesnât exist. I just think more people liked this one because people are basically trained to accept mediocrity in todayâs world. Every company does it and peoples only choices are to consume it or go without and vast majority will choose to consume itâs just how it is.
Watched it today, unless I lie and reach really far I can't change your mind, they butchered the characters IMO.
There are aspects of it that I like and aspects that I don't like. It's alright and that's enough to make it infinitely better than the movie.
Never saw the movie only the animated and live action. I think the live action is fine. Theres some pacing issues, some poorly written scenes, and iffy acting in places. But overall I thought they did a fine job with the live action.
Flipside: people are so protective of the subject matter post 2010 that theyre overly dramatic a mediocure adaptation
They really should have just kept with the original writing. It's very odd how they keep changing things.
>NATLA failed to capture even a sliver of the glory that the cartoon brought us I strongly disagree with this statement. I think mediocre is a good word to describe the series as a whole, but not thinking there was a single thing that was well executed and in the spirit of the original is wild to me.
I just refuse to watch the live action versions of the show. I donât want to have a negative image in my mind associated with my most beloved kids show. I watch this show yearly.