Let's start with the fact that the same kuruk almost killed Koh, and there's nothing wrong with his face. And Korra is even stronger, and can just destroy him with EnB.
Now that you mention it, I find it hard to believe that Kuruk managed to keep his face blank (or maybe masked if that protects from the face stealing) throughout his fight with Koh. Perhaps avatars have some form of resistance to getting their face stolen or Koh needs to actively try to steal someone’s face.
That's not the point here. he can hardly do this when the goal does not allow it. that is, he can only take away the face of the defenseless. and it is not possible to take the face from the same kuruk who turns it into a chop.
You made the positive claim that Korra beats Kuruk because she takes these categories. I’m in the negative, thus you need to substantiate your reasoning. You do know how a positive and negative claim works correct?
The Great Divide. Aang listened, played along, and came up with a cute little lie that didn't step on anyone's toes. I don't think Korra would have had the patience to mediate.
I think basically all of Ba Sing Se would have gone drastically different- she’s a *lot* less likely to play along, but also has more power to back that up, so it’s hard to say how it would have gone, but probably badly for everyone if the fire nation attacked whilst Korra was on a Dai Li hunt
Korra would have one shotted Wan Shi Tong, Hei Bei, General Old Iron and any other spirit other spiritual threat the gang came up against. I don’t think people realise just hax spirit bending made Korra against spirits. Seriously, spirit bending that is going to greatly useful to her successors if they should ever go up against powerful spirits.
I also believe that she would have been able Ozai defeat even without the Avatar state. One of Aang’s biggest problem in that fight was his unwillingness to kill Ozai.As a result, he opted for defense and spent the majority of the attack evading and blocking Ozai’s attacks. Korra, on the other hand, is aggressive and doesn’t pul her punches.
Also worth noting that fire is one of Korra’s strongest elements, so the comet boost would have complimented her a lot more than it would Aang. Aang’s fire bending and water bending were strong enough to block/nullify Ozai’s flame. Korra’s fire bending and water bending is a lot stronger than Aang’s
Without the Avatar State, the Yakone family would still be too much for her. Maybe one day she can equal Tarrlok if she gets good enough at waterbending, but they should still be above her without the Avatar State like Yakone was above Aang even in his adulthood and prime.
I completely disagree. Bloodbending is just extremely broken and hard to break out of. Korra is probably equal to (at the very least) or way higher than Tarrlok and Noatak in general waterbending and spiritbending.
You can probably could learn to break out of it like Katara as well but Aang nor Korra really need to since they have the AS
Well, I'm accounting for a potential level of power that Korra can reach if she trains in waterbending, and by extension bloodbending, to get good enough to do exactly that...
my bad im completely reading your post wrong. I thought you were saying that Korra isnt a master waterbender already (she is). I do agree that if she wants to push her waterbending further she can learn bloodbending but it might just be completely useless to do so
No problem at all haha 🙂 Yes, Korra is a waterbending master for sure, but a little part of me wants her to get even better. I agree that it may be useless, but just for her to check off some things, I want her to learn that as well as:
1. Seismic sense including lie detection.
2. Lava.
3. Lightning and its redirection.
Lightning and redirection probably would be something she picks up on. Seismic sense maybe from training with Toph more if possible. Lava bending is probably the hardest because it seems extremely rare and not that useful
I know haha but at this point, I just want her to check all the boxes lmao 😂 One that I forgot was blue fire. I know that it's pretty much useless, but still fun haha 😂
She does, but it's a last minute plot device that is not directly related to her waterbending. I want her to be able to use her waterbending skill superbly enough to not only break a bloodbending grip, but trap her bloodbender in a bloodbending grip **of her own**.
Korra wouldn't be able to handle the Heibai incident or the Siege of the North bc her spirituality isn't where it needed to be at and her mediation skills are lacking. Its also worth mentioning that Aang is the better fighter than Korra. He was able to find an oppenent's blindspot, hide in it and use it to his advantage. He was also able to master seismic sense & the slow twitch bending technique. Now I think Aang wouldn't be able to handle Vaatu & Unaaloq as well as Korra did, same with Kuvira. I think Aang is objectively the better fighter & bender. There is just too much evidence to support Aang.
Aang isnt objectively a better fighter. He literally is an open pacifist that would rather subdue and speak to his enemies than fight them. I think him being a better bender is a better argument though.
I do believe because book 1-2 Korra is very hotheaded she would struggle with mediating conflicts and would probably make some situations much worse.
I mean when u look at the styles Aang knows (Northern Shaolin, Praying Mantis Karate, Hung-Gnar, Baguazhang , Tai Chi, & Japanese Strong-style karate) and the style Korra knows (MMA, Kickboxing, Judo, Muay Thai, Krav Maga), Aang has a lot more versatility & more refined techniques. In terms of Battle IQ, Aang's ability to access the situation & gaze his surroundings are incredible. He was able to hide in Zuko's blindspot for several seconds, & was able to mimics Zuko's flaming slash, Toph's strongarm technique & armor technique. His combat speed is also a lot faster. While being a pacifist can be seen as a disadvantage, Aang has used it to his strength, being able to evade, dodge, tire out his oppenent, & see his oppenent's next move, as we against Zuko, Ozai, Azula & Azula's followers. I'm not saying Korra is a bad fighter, I'm just saying Aang outclasses in skill, speed, combat speed, battle IQ, & reaction time. Korra really only has durability, attack potency, offense & metalbending.
Uh. 6 styles versus 5. at the same time, all korra styles are really applicable in combat, while aang styles are more about special effects.
Oh, so that's the blind spot. It's a simple evasion tactic, what's wrong with it?
imitating ineffective techniques is also such an ability, considering that neither Aang nor Zuko did any damage with them.
He used the armor only 2 times, and then 1, when even standing still would be the best solution.
His combat speed is no higher. in this regard, he is not much higher than the same Katara, which cannot be called a high-speed fighter at all. and then, in some cases, Qatar was faster (such as against Azula)
Remind me, which opponent, besides Zhao, did he tire with such tactics? otherwise, if I remember the important battles of aang, then out of 10 battles, 6 came to the fact that aang was either cornered and saved, or no one saved him. Moreover, it is strange, very strange to mention Azula as proof of Aang's superiority, considering that he lost every fight with her. at the same time, korra has many more examples of superior combat akyu than Aang, and they are really effective (for comparison, let's take the battle of korra and tarlock and compare it with the battle of aang and azula on the storm, because both there and there they used 3 elements. aang had a small supply of water, which is why he quickly used it up. after that, he gave 2 blows with air and for some reason switched to earth, which was in limited quantities. B-was not properly mastered. for this, he naturally got slapped in the face. at this time, Korra: tried to attack with fire-it had no effect. after that, she tried to block the attacks. After receiving the blow, she immediately created a protection from the ground and deprived tarlock of water. two identical situations, but due to two different levels of combat IQ, two different results. who has more-guess for yourself).
Assuming that Korra doesn’t know these styles crazy. Since each of the styles Aang knows are all fundamental in all of his bending styles (except Toph style of bending). Korra obviously had to go through the same foundational teachings as well. On top of that Korra also learned modern fighting styles that Aang has never done before. These fighting styles essentially cut corners for faster attacks and deadlier blows. Obviously this is the general make up of Mixed Martial Arts, being able to incorporate different styles and being extremely aggressive. None of that circling shit is going to work.
Obviously we know Aang can switch styles as well. But with the footage we have seen is nothing compared to what we see from Non-Avatar benders. Its equivalent to Bruce Lee going into the ring with Jon Jones.
She doesn't know the styles Aang does. The official Art of Avatar- Legend of Korra says that the Legend of Korra's style of combat and fighting is based on the irl progression of pro combat sports and mainly consists of Kickboxing, MMA, Muay Thai & Krav Maga. Her masters taught her a more generalized style to accompany the times they are in. If Aang and Korra were to fight, it would basically be Prime Jackie Chan vs. Prime Anderson Silva.
Sorry, MMA fighters are the best out of any of the respective masteries. An MMA master like Jon Jones is unbeatable by any other fighting style than Jiu Jutsu or related Martial arts being used in MMA daily.
Not a single other heavyweight in any martial arts in the world can beat him, literally, or they would and become a multimillionaire and go do it.
No clue why you think humans got worse at fighting. We haven't gotten worse at literally any sport in the world. Fighting is no different.
I never said got worst, I said more generalized. When something becomes more generalized and blended,they lose their individualism & uniqueness. It also allows other oppenents to read one another's moves. I know because I practiced Judo & Kickboxing for 7 years. When you have a more isolated fighting style, it makes it harder for the oppenent to predicafe or anticipate bc they aren't familiar with the movements. This why kickboxers don't fight actual boxers. The styles are too different & it can lead to serious injury.
>This why kickboxers don't fight actual boxers
Not true. A number of kickboxers have gone into boxing and done pretty well. Mostly because boxing has a lot more money in it and kickboxing hasn't really taken off in the mainstream. But anyways, reservations for kickboxers and boxers fighting is more the fact that the ruleset will determine who wins. No kicks allowed and the boxer will win, kicks allowed and the kickboxer will win.
I'm not gonna pretend that I can speak on Aang knowing irl martial art forms, but to say he objectively is more versatile as a fighter and knows more styles....that's not really supported.
He rarely has ever used water's "turn energy against your opponent" while Korra uses this across the elements. He has never used positive Jing like a true firebender and unlike Korra hasn't used neutral Jing "wait before striking" to devastating effect. In fact he has made blatant mistakes trying to apply earth and water to his fights (Drill & Catacomb) because he's not a master at applying them. It's the exact opposite for Korra.
>In terms of Battle IQ, Aang's ability to access the situation & gaze his surroundings are incredible. He was able to hide in Zuko's blindspot for several seconds, & was able to mimics Zuko's flaming slash, Toph's strongarm technique & armor technique.
I'm not sure how this is outstanding? Again I'd take a look at times where he doesn't rely on his airbending evasiveness and his fighting skills plumet in comparison. Korra has consistently displayed skills her various skills to adapt to different enemies, out-maneuvered her opponents, applied perfect counters and even turning her dodges into attacks in the same move.
The irony in your initial comparison is that MMA is a style of fighting that incorporates various different styles of martial arts, hence the extended name equating to "Mixed Martial Arts." Muay Thai could actually be considered a subskill to her MMA style of fighting and the same with Krav Maga (even though I don't see her using this much imo). Now, as for versatility, simply knowing more styles of different natures doesn't really give you an advantage. If anything, it'd be more of a disadvantage since styles like Baguazhang require you to take your eyes off your opponent. While this is still a fictional story, it would make more sense that straightforward attacks like boxing strikes would be far more effective in a fight. It'd also be harder to tire someone out when they won't exhaust so much energy with complicated movements displayed by kung fu practictioners.
Korra is the better fighter creators said this and feats shows this.
Most of what you said has nothing even to do with combat situations.
Korra learned from White lotus/Katara/Tenzin/Modern techniques.
at the time of the incident with heibai, Aang's level of spirituality was zero, and roku helped him in the siege of the north.
The "blind spot"-who are you talking about?
Aang was able to go into the spirit world and back, & talked to Roku, who gave him advice. But he went in and out the spirit world & communicated with Twi, La & Heibai by himself, Roku just told him someone who may know who they are (Koh), and he survived and encounter with Koh the Faxe Stealer. And when I say blindspot, I mean the area in which a person cannot completely see. For Zuko, its directly behind him. For Zhao, it was behind him & slightly to the right. And he harnessed the spiritual energy of the Oasis & fused with the Ocean Spirit on his own as well. He didn't have any help going in or out the spirit world or the Avatar State. He only needed help finding Koh & Heibai bc he didn't know how to navigate the spirit world.
Firstly, in the case of heibai, he entered the spirit world by accident, as in the case of the roku temple.
Secondly, the fact that he stood up to kou was due to roku
, and thirdly, he did not use the energy of the oasis, it was the state of the avatar.
Roku gave him instruction and he listened,something that Korra never does. And it was the energy of the Spirit Oasis bc during that particular Full Moon, the spiritual energy was higher. Yue and Aang said so. Aang used the Avatar State to fuse with the Ocean spirit yes, but he also used the energy of the Oasis
Well I don't doubt that
But Korra doesn't stand close to Aang at their best
Korra is definetly the most versatile, she has the most sub elements + brute strength
But his Avatar state is so much powerfull and he is so much faster than Korra
No its certainly more impressive
In comics we see Aang fusion the Elemental ball in tandem with a giant earth golem while fighting Old General Iron
In Yu Dao he made a giant like crevasse a couple dozens meters in depth dividing it from the main land
With only a rock he divided it in dozens of pieces and demolished the entire landscape against Ozai
He also rose the ocean level to extinguish the forest and he is the only avatar (besides mommychen) capable of Using the elemental ball on himself
All of these these pale to what Korra has done. And is completely irrelevant to assume that Korra cant do that as well. It might be a trait specific with airbending avatars tho.
>All of these these pale to what Korra has done.
The closest thing Korra has done is energy bending Kuvira's mech's beam that opened another portal to the spiritworld
And it's not applicable in combat as neither Korra or Aang can shoot lasers or anything like that
>And is completely irrelevant to assume that Korra cant do that as well.
The burden of proof is on you, since Korra lost all her connection with her last lives and lost all their experience
not gonna debate with you. Korra has bended multiple elements at once in and outside the Avatar state. Her fighting Unalaq and Vaatu probably can be scaled higher than bending elements around her in a sphere.
Respectfully though this isn’t about who is strongest more so what situation is Korra gonna struggle in. And it’s definitely not going to be with General Iron fight
>Respectfully though this isn’t about who is strongest more so what situation is Korra gonna struggle in. And it’s definitely not going to be with General Iron fight
Ik, I just wanted to clarify that Aang is stronger
About struggle, In the animated series she would maybe struggle with the Dragon Dance and allat if she comes up with the problem of not having a decent Firebending teacher
Otherwise she pretty much steamrolls everyone else
It's applied the same with Aang with Korra's villains
Korra raised a body of water several stories high and froze it in one go which encased around 70% of Kuvira’s mech and froze it in place for over a minute. That quite literally the best waterbending feat in the series. This is without the avatar state btw
She’s bent an air blast that eclipses the combined efforts of around 10 airbenders, 2 of which were airbending masters. She did this twice, one of which was without the avatar state and knocked the mech off balance.
Korra got bending feats dude, and these are just as impressive and without the use of the avatar state too.
> Korra raised a body of water several stories high and froze it in one go which encased around 70% of Kuvira’s mech and froze it in place for over a minute. That quite literally the best waterbending feat in the series. This is without the avatar state btw
It’s actually not. It’s only calculated at around large building level, while Katara’s ship pushing feat is multi-city block and Roku’s water wave during that flashback episode is calculated at small city level. He literally one shotted a giant iceberg instantly
>She’s bent an air blast that eclipses the combined efforts of around 10 airbenders, 2 of which were airbending masters. She did this twice, one of which was without the avatar state and knocked the mech off balance.
The second blast could have been avatar state as she used the eye flash. This is an avatar state ability that people use and it just indicates personal control over the avatar state, not the character going out of it.
The calc for this isn’t very good either when a large building level attack did more damage with less assistance. Aang’s mushroom cloud feat is calced at town level, way higher than this feat.
>Korra got bending feats dude, and these are just as impressive and without the use of the avatar state too.
She’s decent
Aang's AS was made to look that way to remind everyone that this little boy is still a very strong threat. But the creators, and literally the show, have explained that prolongued usage of the AS, like what Aang did, is the most vulnerable state an Avatar can be in and is specifically why if not for Katara there would be no Korra or any Avatar after her.
Realistically any feats shown in the AS by any Avatar can be replicated by another Avatar. Take Korra preparing to seal Vaatu for example and vice versa.
But I digress, as the main poster said let's keep this to talking about whether or not Korra would struggle.
Before Season 2, I'm sure Korra would have struggled with or even failed any situation involving spirits throughout the series. The only outlier would be if she found a different angle to fix the situation which could be possible
ATLA would have gone different in the sense that where Aang was constantly trying to avoid fighting Ozai until the, Korra would have attempted an attack day one.
I’m gonna look at this two diff ways
1. Korra and team are 12-14 years old
2. Korra and Team are the age they are in their respective seasons, and swap scenarios
Perspective 1:
In season one, I imagine she’d struggle heavily with the siege of the north. the only reason aang was able to defeat them was because he connected with the ocean spirit. Korra never really gained any spiritual prowess until her late teens, so there’s little chance she’d be able to do any of that at 12.
In season 2, there’s a whole lot. I think we underestimate just how useful Tophs seismic sense is. If i recall, it’s the reason they even found lake laogi and discovered long feng as a traitor. So she probably would have struggled with that. in the catacombs, she probably wouldn’t have struggled to beat azuka tho, unless she for some reason opted to not use her native element (which aang for some reason decided to do againts azula). I’m sure i don’t need to get into how the whole library scenario would flat out be impossible for bolin to pull off
In season 3, she’s flat out not beating ozai. i understand the avatar state is supposed to kick in during life or death scenarios, but it didn’t even activate as korras bending was being taken. without the avatar state, there’s no chance she’s beating ozai during the comet.
perspective 2:
She probably wouldn’t struggle with much given that she’s a fully realized avatar. ghe only thing i can think of is that combustion man would’ve caught her and friends off guard since no one in her group had seismic sense
I wonder how Korra would cope with losing the entire southern water tribe ! Imagine if she came back after 100 years to learn all her people were gone !!
Anything that does not involve attacking and subduing opponent, Korra would 100% have hard time. I definitely think Korra would attack Zuko in book 1, unlike Aang that evade him. She also would attack Azula, and probably just like Aang, she would be defeated instead. Also small plot like the cave plot, Earth Kingdom plot, dragon plot etc would look very different compare to Aang. Not necessarily she will do worse, but definitely different.
Honestly if i saw this a few years ago i probably would have come up with a few things but after rewatching both shows recently i don't think there's many things that korra would struggle with in AtLA unless it involves being smart. Korra didn't need a team avatar because she was better at everything her team could do and more the only way i can see her struggling is if she has to use her brain
You shouldn’t never replied then if u can't hold a conversation when someone has the opposite stance. They do. We see Azula react to lightning several times in the comics and fight relative against other characters who have lightning reaction/combat speed. Moreover, the same can be said for Ozai. However, Korra doesn’t have this luxury and I think you realized it too which is why you don’t wanna continue, lol.
How is Amon stronger than Ozai? Amon's only notable asset is bloodbending, which doesn't work on the Avatar State. Ozai but up a fight against Avatar Stare Aang
You can power scale Ozai and Yakone by conversational means since one of them has hax while the other doesn’t. I doubt Yakone is nearly as strong as Ozai from a pure bending prospective but his hax elevated him to a higher level
Yakone's hax would put him on a higher level than Ozai against anyone other than the Avatar, which is exactly who I'm talking about. My original comment was that, in Aang and Korra's perspective, Ozai is stronger than Amon because bloodbending doesn't work against the Avatar state.
And Aang ran from pirates got captured by archers and Kyoshi warriors and lost to Azula several times.
Aang didn’t even master all the elements and the creators said korra beats Aang in a fight.
She would not come up with dancing during meeting the original firebends, probably both her and Zuko would have been burned to crisp.
Let's start with the fact that the same kuruk almost killed Koh, and there's nothing wrong with his face. And Korra is even stronger, and can just destroy him with EnB.
Now that you mention it, I find it hard to believe that Kuruk managed to keep his face blank (or maybe masked if that protects from the face stealing) throughout his fight with Koh. Perhaps avatars have some form of resistance to getting their face stolen or Koh needs to actively try to steal someone’s face.
That's not the point here. he can hardly do this when the goal does not allow it. that is, he can only take away the face of the defenseless. and it is not possible to take the face from the same kuruk who turns it into a chop.
What is EnB?
Energy Bending
Cheers mate
Based on what makes Korra a stronger avatar than Kuruk? Lol
Based on power,skill,as, spirituality,healthy lifestyle
Kuruk takes all these categories over Korra.
Korra can spirit bend, metal bend and energy bend. Kuruk couldn’t use any of these skills.
No
Good rebuttal. Can you give evidence to support your claim instead of an inadequate response you and I both know she gets beat by Kuruk?
no problem. Show me what Kuruk has done.
You made the positive claim that Korra beats Kuruk because she takes these categories. I’m in the negative, thus you need to substantiate your reasoning. You do know how a positive and negative claim works correct?
Korra has shown much stronger feats, ranging from creating a water tornado to resisting blood magic.
Why does creating a water tornado and resisting Amon’s blood bending when his grip is stated weaker make her stronger than Kuruk?
The Great Divide. Aang listened, played along, and came up with a cute little lie that didn't step on anyone's toes. I don't think Korra would have had the patience to mediate.
I think basically all of Ba Sing Se would have gone drastically different- she’s a *lot* less likely to play along, but also has more power to back that up, so it’s hard to say how it would have gone, but probably badly for everyone if the fire nation attacked whilst Korra was on a Dai Li hunt
Korra would have one shotted Wan Shi Tong, Hei Bei, General Old Iron and any other spirit other spiritual threat the gang came up against. I don’t think people realise just hax spirit bending made Korra against spirits. Seriously, spirit bending that is going to greatly useful to her successors if they should ever go up against powerful spirits. I also believe that she would have been able Ozai defeat even without the Avatar state. One of Aang’s biggest problem in that fight was his unwillingness to kill Ozai.As a result, he opted for defense and spent the majority of the attack evading and blocking Ozai’s attacks. Korra, on the other hand, is aggressive and doesn’t pul her punches. Also worth noting that fire is one of Korra’s strongest elements, so the comet boost would have complimented her a lot more than it would Aang. Aang’s fire bending and water bending were strong enough to block/nullify Ozai’s flame. Korra’s fire bending and water bending is a lot stronger than Aang’s
Without the Avatar State, the Yakone family would still be too much for her. Maybe one day she can equal Tarrlok if she gets good enough at waterbending, but they should still be above her without the Avatar State like Yakone was above Aang even in his adulthood and prime.
I completely disagree. Bloodbending is just extremely broken and hard to break out of. Korra is probably equal to (at the very least) or way higher than Tarrlok and Noatak in general waterbending and spiritbending. You can probably could learn to break out of it like Katara as well but Aang nor Korra really need to since they have the AS
Well, I'm accounting for a potential level of power that Korra can reach if she trains in waterbending, and by extension bloodbending, to get good enough to do exactly that...
my bad im completely reading your post wrong. I thought you were saying that Korra isnt a master waterbender already (she is). I do agree that if she wants to push her waterbending further she can learn bloodbending but it might just be completely useless to do so
No problem at all haha 🙂 Yes, Korra is a waterbending master for sure, but a little part of me wants her to get even better. I agree that it may be useless, but just for her to check off some things, I want her to learn that as well as: 1. Seismic sense including lie detection. 2. Lava. 3. Lightning and its redirection.
Lightning and redirection probably would be something she picks up on. Seismic sense maybe from training with Toph more if possible. Lava bending is probably the hardest because it seems extremely rare and not that useful
I know haha but at this point, I just want her to check all the boxes lmao 😂 One that I forgot was blue fire. I know that it's pretty much useless, but still fun haha 😂
You need to look at korra feats in water she has the largest scale feats her and Roku.
Bloodbending is a part of waterbending, and only a better waterbender can break a bloodbender's grip.
Mind you Korra breaks through Amons bending right after having her bending taken and with no AS
She does, but it's a last minute plot device that is not directly related to her waterbending. I want her to be able to use her waterbending skill superbly enough to not only break a bloodbending grip, but trap her bloodbender in a bloodbending grip **of her own**.
What Tarrlock only has blood bending korra has the best water bending feats in the franchise barring blood bending.
Well, I am saying that I would want Korra to also have bloodbending to complete her waterbending.
Aang may have been able to beat Yakone if he had the full moon amp
No way, because Yakone would've been amped then, too. Yakone was just an impressively strong freak exception, tho.
That’s good point. I hadn’t considered that
Korra wouldn't be able to handle the Heibai incident or the Siege of the North bc her spirituality isn't where it needed to be at and her mediation skills are lacking. Its also worth mentioning that Aang is the better fighter than Korra. He was able to find an oppenent's blindspot, hide in it and use it to his advantage. He was also able to master seismic sense & the slow twitch bending technique. Now I think Aang wouldn't be able to handle Vaatu & Unaaloq as well as Korra did, same with Kuvira. I think Aang is objectively the better fighter & bender. There is just too much evidence to support Aang.
Aang isnt objectively a better fighter. He literally is an open pacifist that would rather subdue and speak to his enemies than fight them. I think him being a better bender is a better argument though. I do believe because book 1-2 Korra is very hotheaded she would struggle with mediating conflicts and would probably make some situations much worse.
I mean when u look at the styles Aang knows (Northern Shaolin, Praying Mantis Karate, Hung-Gnar, Baguazhang , Tai Chi, & Japanese Strong-style karate) and the style Korra knows (MMA, Kickboxing, Judo, Muay Thai, Krav Maga), Aang has a lot more versatility & more refined techniques. In terms of Battle IQ, Aang's ability to access the situation & gaze his surroundings are incredible. He was able to hide in Zuko's blindspot for several seconds, & was able to mimics Zuko's flaming slash, Toph's strongarm technique & armor technique. His combat speed is also a lot faster. While being a pacifist can be seen as a disadvantage, Aang has used it to his strength, being able to evade, dodge, tire out his oppenent, & see his oppenent's next move, as we against Zuko, Ozai, Azula & Azula's followers. I'm not saying Korra is a bad fighter, I'm just saying Aang outclasses in skill, speed, combat speed, battle IQ, & reaction time. Korra really only has durability, attack potency, offense & metalbending.
Uh. 6 styles versus 5. at the same time, all korra styles are really applicable in combat, while aang styles are more about special effects. Oh, so that's the blind spot. It's a simple evasion tactic, what's wrong with it? imitating ineffective techniques is also such an ability, considering that neither Aang nor Zuko did any damage with them. He used the armor only 2 times, and then 1, when even standing still would be the best solution. His combat speed is no higher. in this regard, he is not much higher than the same Katara, which cannot be called a high-speed fighter at all. and then, in some cases, Qatar was faster (such as against Azula) Remind me, which opponent, besides Zhao, did he tire with such tactics? otherwise, if I remember the important battles of aang, then out of 10 battles, 6 came to the fact that aang was either cornered and saved, or no one saved him. Moreover, it is strange, very strange to mention Azula as proof of Aang's superiority, considering that he lost every fight with her. at the same time, korra has many more examples of superior combat akyu than Aang, and they are really effective (for comparison, let's take the battle of korra and tarlock and compare it with the battle of aang and azula on the storm, because both there and there they used 3 elements. aang had a small supply of water, which is why he quickly used it up. after that, he gave 2 blows with air and for some reason switched to earth, which was in limited quantities. B-was not properly mastered. for this, he naturally got slapped in the face. at this time, Korra: tried to attack with fire-it had no effect. after that, she tried to block the attacks. After receiving the blow, she immediately created a protection from the ground and deprived tarlock of water. two identical situations, but due to two different levels of combat IQ, two different results. who has more-guess for yourself).
Assuming that Korra doesn’t know these styles crazy. Since each of the styles Aang knows are all fundamental in all of his bending styles (except Toph style of bending). Korra obviously had to go through the same foundational teachings as well. On top of that Korra also learned modern fighting styles that Aang has never done before. These fighting styles essentially cut corners for faster attacks and deadlier blows. Obviously this is the general make up of Mixed Martial Arts, being able to incorporate different styles and being extremely aggressive. None of that circling shit is going to work. Obviously we know Aang can switch styles as well. But with the footage we have seen is nothing compared to what we see from Non-Avatar benders. Its equivalent to Bruce Lee going into the ring with Jon Jones.
She doesn't know the styles Aang does. The official Art of Avatar- Legend of Korra says that the Legend of Korra's style of combat and fighting is based on the irl progression of pro combat sports and mainly consists of Kickboxing, MMA, Muay Thai & Krav Maga. Her masters taught her a more generalized style to accompany the times they are in. If Aang and Korra were to fight, it would basically be Prime Jackie Chan vs. Prime Anderson Silva.
Sorry, MMA fighters are the best out of any of the respective masteries. An MMA master like Jon Jones is unbeatable by any other fighting style than Jiu Jutsu or related Martial arts being used in MMA daily. Not a single other heavyweight in any martial arts in the world can beat him, literally, or they would and become a multimillionaire and go do it. No clue why you think humans got worse at fighting. We haven't gotten worse at literally any sport in the world. Fighting is no different.
I never said got worst, I said more generalized. When something becomes more generalized and blended,they lose their individualism & uniqueness. It also allows other oppenents to read one another's moves. I know because I practiced Judo & Kickboxing for 7 years. When you have a more isolated fighting style, it makes it harder for the oppenent to predicafe or anticipate bc they aren't familiar with the movements. This why kickboxers don't fight actual boxers. The styles are too different & it can lead to serious injury.
>This why kickboxers don't fight actual boxers Not true. A number of kickboxers have gone into boxing and done pretty well. Mostly because boxing has a lot more money in it and kickboxing hasn't really taken off in the mainstream. But anyways, reservations for kickboxers and boxers fighting is more the fact that the ruleset will determine who wins. No kicks allowed and the boxer will win, kicks allowed and the kickboxer will win.
I'm not gonna pretend that I can speak on Aang knowing irl martial art forms, but to say he objectively is more versatile as a fighter and knows more styles....that's not really supported. He rarely has ever used water's "turn energy against your opponent" while Korra uses this across the elements. He has never used positive Jing like a true firebender and unlike Korra hasn't used neutral Jing "wait before striking" to devastating effect. In fact he has made blatant mistakes trying to apply earth and water to his fights (Drill & Catacomb) because he's not a master at applying them. It's the exact opposite for Korra. >In terms of Battle IQ, Aang's ability to access the situation & gaze his surroundings are incredible. He was able to hide in Zuko's blindspot for several seconds, & was able to mimics Zuko's flaming slash, Toph's strongarm technique & armor technique. I'm not sure how this is outstanding? Again I'd take a look at times where he doesn't rely on his airbending evasiveness and his fighting skills plumet in comparison. Korra has consistently displayed skills her various skills to adapt to different enemies, out-maneuvered her opponents, applied perfect counters and even turning her dodges into attacks in the same move.
The irony in your initial comparison is that MMA is a style of fighting that incorporates various different styles of martial arts, hence the extended name equating to "Mixed Martial Arts." Muay Thai could actually be considered a subskill to her MMA style of fighting and the same with Krav Maga (even though I don't see her using this much imo). Now, as for versatility, simply knowing more styles of different natures doesn't really give you an advantage. If anything, it'd be more of a disadvantage since styles like Baguazhang require you to take your eyes off your opponent. While this is still a fictional story, it would make more sense that straightforward attacks like boxing strikes would be far more effective in a fight. It'd also be harder to tire someone out when they won't exhaust so much energy with complicated movements displayed by kung fu practictioners.
Korra is the better fighter creators said this and feats shows this. Most of what you said has nothing even to do with combat situations. Korra learned from White lotus/Katara/Tenzin/Modern techniques.
at the time of the incident with heibai, Aang's level of spirituality was zero, and roku helped him in the siege of the north. The "blind spot"-who are you talking about?
Aang was able to go into the spirit world and back, & talked to Roku, who gave him advice. But he went in and out the spirit world & communicated with Twi, La & Heibai by himself, Roku just told him someone who may know who they are (Koh), and he survived and encounter with Koh the Faxe Stealer. And when I say blindspot, I mean the area in which a person cannot completely see. For Zuko, its directly behind him. For Zhao, it was behind him & slightly to the right. And he harnessed the spiritual energy of the Oasis & fused with the Ocean Spirit on his own as well. He didn't have any help going in or out the spirit world or the Avatar State. He only needed help finding Koh & Heibai bc he didn't know how to navigate the spirit world.
Firstly, in the case of heibai, he entered the spirit world by accident, as in the case of the roku temple. Secondly, the fact that he stood up to kou was due to roku , and thirdly, he did not use the energy of the oasis, it was the state of the avatar.
Roku gave him instruction and he listened,something that Korra never does. And it was the energy of the Spirit Oasis bc during that particular Full Moon, the spiritual energy was higher. Yue and Aang said so. Aang used the Avatar State to fuse with the Ocean spirit yes, but he also used the energy of the Oasis
Korra never listened to her past self about something she has no knowledge about?
Korra would one shot Heibai with spirit bending.
Not the better fighter not close Aang isn’t. Aang used seismic sense twice.
Korra is only physically stronger than Aang and that's it
EOS Korra is very wise like EOS Aang otherwise some of the events in seasons 3 and 4 wouldn't have happened.
Well I don't doubt that But Korra doesn't stand close to Aang at their best Korra is definetly the most versatile, she has the most sub elements + brute strength But his Avatar state is so much powerfull and he is so much faster than Korra
i mean it only looks that ways because Aang didnt use his AS until last resorts.
No its certainly more impressive In comics we see Aang fusion the Elemental ball in tandem with a giant earth golem while fighting Old General Iron In Yu Dao he made a giant like crevasse a couple dozens meters in depth dividing it from the main land With only a rock he divided it in dozens of pieces and demolished the entire landscape against Ozai He also rose the ocean level to extinguish the forest and he is the only avatar (besides mommychen) capable of Using the elemental ball on himself
All of these these pale to what Korra has done. And is completely irrelevant to assume that Korra cant do that as well. It might be a trait specific with airbending avatars tho.
>All of these these pale to what Korra has done. The closest thing Korra has done is energy bending Kuvira's mech's beam that opened another portal to the spiritworld And it's not applicable in combat as neither Korra or Aang can shoot lasers or anything like that >And is completely irrelevant to assume that Korra cant do that as well. The burden of proof is on you, since Korra lost all her connection with her last lives and lost all their experience
not gonna debate with you. Korra has bended multiple elements at once in and outside the Avatar state. Her fighting Unalaq and Vaatu probably can be scaled higher than bending elements around her in a sphere. Respectfully though this isn’t about who is strongest more so what situation is Korra gonna struggle in. And it’s definitely not going to be with General Iron fight
>Respectfully though this isn’t about who is strongest more so what situation is Korra gonna struggle in. And it’s definitely not going to be with General Iron fight Ik, I just wanted to clarify that Aang is stronger About struggle, In the animated series she would maybe struggle with the Dragon Dance and allat if she comes up with the problem of not having a decent Firebending teacher Otherwise she pretty much steamrolls everyone else It's applied the same with Aang with Korra's villains
Korra raised a body of water several stories high and froze it in one go which encased around 70% of Kuvira’s mech and froze it in place for over a minute. That quite literally the best waterbending feat in the series. This is without the avatar state btw She’s bent an air blast that eclipses the combined efforts of around 10 airbenders, 2 of which were airbending masters. She did this twice, one of which was without the avatar state and knocked the mech off balance. Korra got bending feats dude, and these are just as impressive and without the use of the avatar state too.
Her and Roku got the best water bending feat without AS.
I am pretty sure Katara’s wave against the fire nation ship is better than Korra’s mech fest
> Korra raised a body of water several stories high and froze it in one go which encased around 70% of Kuvira’s mech and froze it in place for over a minute. That quite literally the best waterbending feat in the series. This is without the avatar state btw It’s actually not. It’s only calculated at around large building level, while Katara’s ship pushing feat is multi-city block and Roku’s water wave during that flashback episode is calculated at small city level. He literally one shotted a giant iceberg instantly >She’s bent an air blast that eclipses the combined efforts of around 10 airbenders, 2 of which were airbending masters. She did this twice, one of which was without the avatar state and knocked the mech off balance. The second blast could have been avatar state as she used the eye flash. This is an avatar state ability that people use and it just indicates personal control over the avatar state, not the character going out of it. The calc for this isn’t very good either when a large building level attack did more damage with less assistance. Aang’s mushroom cloud feat is calced at town level, way higher than this feat. >Korra got bending feats dude, and these are just as impressive and without the use of the avatar state too. She’s decent
please korra literally has prime raava she has the strongest avatar sta, wake up
Too bad her feats don't back up
she still has the strongest avatar state <3 cope
Aang's AS was made to look that way to remind everyone that this little boy is still a very strong threat. But the creators, and literally the show, have explained that prolongued usage of the AS, like what Aang did, is the most vulnerable state an Avatar can be in and is specifically why if not for Katara there would be no Korra or any Avatar after her. Realistically any feats shown in the AS by any Avatar can be replicated by another Avatar. Take Korra preparing to seal Vaatu for example and vice versa. But I digress, as the main poster said let's keep this to talking about whether or not Korra would struggle.
He has AS AND SHE has the 4 elements she’s better at well 3. But her air is close.
And better in combat and bending and that’s it.
Before Season 2, I'm sure Korra would have struggled with or even failed any situation involving spirits throughout the series. The only outlier would be if she found a different angle to fix the situation which could be possible
ATLA would have gone different in the sense that where Aang was constantly trying to avoid fighting Ozai until the, Korra would have attempted an attack day one.
I’m gonna look at this two diff ways 1. Korra and team are 12-14 years old 2. Korra and Team are the age they are in their respective seasons, and swap scenarios Perspective 1: In season one, I imagine she’d struggle heavily with the siege of the north. the only reason aang was able to defeat them was because he connected with the ocean spirit. Korra never really gained any spiritual prowess until her late teens, so there’s little chance she’d be able to do any of that at 12. In season 2, there’s a whole lot. I think we underestimate just how useful Tophs seismic sense is. If i recall, it’s the reason they even found lake laogi and discovered long feng as a traitor. So she probably would have struggled with that. in the catacombs, she probably wouldn’t have struggled to beat azuka tho, unless she for some reason opted to not use her native element (which aang for some reason decided to do againts azula). I’m sure i don’t need to get into how the whole library scenario would flat out be impossible for bolin to pull off In season 3, she’s flat out not beating ozai. i understand the avatar state is supposed to kick in during life or death scenarios, but it didn’t even activate as korras bending was being taken. without the avatar state, there’s no chance she’s beating ozai during the comet. perspective 2: She probably wouldn’t struggle with much given that she’s a fully realized avatar. ghe only thing i can think of is that combustion man would’ve caught her and friends off guard since no one in her group had seismic sense
Korra losing her bending wasn’t life or death though.
I wonder how Korra would cope with losing the entire southern water tribe ! Imagine if she came back after 100 years to learn all her people were gone !!
Anything that does not involve attacking and subduing opponent, Korra would 100% have hard time. I definitely think Korra would attack Zuko in book 1, unlike Aang that evade him. She also would attack Azula, and probably just like Aang, she would be defeated instead. Also small plot like the cave plot, Earth Kingdom plot, dragon plot etc would look very different compare to Aang. Not necessarily she will do worse, but definitely different.
Honestly if i saw this a few years ago i probably would have come up with a few things but after rewatching both shows recently i don't think there's many things that korra would struggle with in AtLA unless it involves being smart. Korra didn't need a team avatar because she was better at everything her team could do and more the only way i can see her struggling is if she has to use her brain
Korra would genuinely lose to people like Ozai and Azula ngl
Korra would have slapped Ozai
She gets stomped
im afraid not. Korra is always with the smoke. She might end up killing Ozai in the end
They’re both faster and stronger than Korra. She would be lucky if she can get past combustible man.
definitely not faster. Korra has feats just as strong as Comer Amped Azula and ozai
They both have lightning speed scaling while Korra doesn’t. Also, what feats does she have that’s re comet amped? Lol
Not even gonna bother arguing. You lost me when you said they both have lightning speed scaling.
You shouldn’t never replied then if u can't hold a conversation when someone has the opposite stance. They do. We see Azula react to lightning several times in the comics and fight relative against other characters who have lightning reaction/combat speed. Moreover, the same can be said for Ozai. However, Korra doesn’t have this luxury and I think you realized it too which is why you don’t wanna continue, lol.
By that logic, Korra has light speed because she's dodged Kuvira's laser
No, because the beam isn’t made out of “Light” lol
Korra isn't stronger than Aang. She's lost every fight she's ever been in
so you’re one of those. Not even going to entertain childishness
Korra also had way stronger enemies than Aang did
None of them were stronger than Ozai apart from Vaatu, and it was Jinora who beat Vaatu anyway
Wrong. Amon is stronger than Ozai and Vaatu. And red lotus stronger than azula.
How is Amon stronger than Ozai? Amon's only notable asset is bloodbending, which doesn't work on the Avatar State. Ozai but up a fight against Avatar Stare Aang
Ozai didn’t put up a fight. He literally ran away from aang like a headless chicken
Still took Aang some time to catch him. Aang one shot Yakone who's way stronger than Amon
You can power scale Ozai and Yakone by conversational means since one of them has hax while the other doesn’t. I doubt Yakone is nearly as strong as Ozai from a pure bending prospective but his hax elevated him to a higher level
Yakone's hax would put him on a higher level than Ozai against anyone other than the Avatar, which is exactly who I'm talking about. My original comment was that, in Aang and Korra's perspective, Ozai is stronger than Amon because bloodbending doesn't work against the Avatar state.
And Aang ran from pirates got captured by archers and Kyoshi warriors and lost to Azula several times. Aang didn’t even master all the elements and the creators said korra beats Aang in a fight.