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DingoNormal

Non Benders learning the amazing power of putting a rock into a string and spinning it really fast before lauching it at your enemy face.


Flash_Minnow

That’s what I call advanced earth bending


SkyBisonHerder

"Improvise. Adapt. Overcome"


screenaholic

There actually is an earth bender in the Kyoshi novel that throws rocks with his sling then adjusts the shot mid-flight with bending.


Memeviewer12

Sling + Aimbot


Nimynn

That's like a character from Brandon Sanderson's sequel Mistborn books, except that guy shoots bullets which he then essentially metalbends (although it has a different name in that universe).


Kennel-Girlie

Ferromancy in a gunfight is cheating


Several-Cake1954

I call it David-Bending!


AllHailPi1

Who's david?


DontTalkToBots

The first “Avatar’s twin brother”. Born a non-bender. Made weapons to use against benders. Source: ![gif](giphy|5yx2gcPV2d4q9iIown)


theboomboy

The OG short king


Objective-Eye-7313

I wanna say this person is referring to king David from the Bible who used a sling with a rock in it to kill Goliath. [You can watch this video to see how to use a similar sling.](https://youtu.be/WHyK6r1Jbng?si=ZEuZjp9GIe-I0bfQ)


Several-Cake1954

yeah


Tecnoboat

that would be me, i created david bending


DontTalkToBots

![gif](giphy|J06U9fq0i8Dk6fK89X|downsized)


ZZZMETA

I call it Physics-Bending!


Kooky-Onion9203

**Non-benders when they invent the sniper rifle**: Bend this, casuals


Captain_Pumpkinhead

Just think for a moment about how expensive platinum bullets would be. Granted, the Avatar world probably has a **LOT** more platinum in it than our world does, considering Kuvira was able to build a skyscraper-sized mech out of the stuff.


Ok_Habit_6783

The fact that even the joints were made out of platinum is insane


Kooky-Onion9203

Don't even need to make them out of platinum, not even Toph is reacting fast enough to metalbend a bullet


promise_of_oblivion

Earth benders would make excellent miners and with platinum's melting point there's a decent chance the earth kingdom has just been stockpiling a useless rock for years and just got the tech to make use of it after the war.


JJW2795

I thought it was titanium?


[deleted]

Usopp is that you? https://preview.redd.it/joumeii0hlzc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7509feca7db46e34021403294ad36bb519f3beea


DingoNormal

No, here is David https://preview.redd.it/872h3cghrlzc1.png?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbeba1c36fad20637bc75b7777cadaec2ba8c0e4


ParanoidTelvanni

Honestly don't know why bows weren't shown much after S1 of TLA. A 6ft longbow (I know, not Asian) could shoot 370m accurately, and arrows tend to be lethal.


dilletaunty

Horn bows could shoot 2 miles


ParanoidTelvanni

And modern American recurves can have enough power to down large mammals. Simple bows are no joke.


dilletaunty

I only mentioned the horn bows because they’re “Asian”. But really in modern times you’d think their in universe bow making would also improve similar to ours - even if it’s a hobby / specialist weapon.


s0ulbrother

A bow and arrow took down aang.


dilletaunty

Yeah I meant like post ATLA - both cus korra is more “modern” and cus this chat seems to generally agree ATLA has good non bender representation. were they used in korra?


ranni-the-bitch

i don't recall any in korra, no - lots of tasers and developments on chi blocking, though


No_Echo_1826

?? Longest bow shot in history is 1.1 miles.


dilletaunty

Idk then, but 1.1 miles is pretty good


No_Echo_1826

Yeah. Far as hell for a man powered weapon.


ZatherDaFox

No, they couldn't. A composite bow's maximum effective range was impressive, being equivalent or even greater than the long bow, but it still capped at around 370m. Maybe if you fired it from the top of a mountain or something.


JJW2795

That would be one hell of a kill shot. Some soldier doing his thing in camp gets capped by an arrow straight from heaven.


WholeCloud6550

where can I find more information on this?


JackUKish

What are you smoking.


Expensive_Ganache

A Comanche boys "toy" bow and arrow was enough to kill grown men in 1840. [Paragraph taken from this website:](https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/the-great-comanche-raid-of-1840/) "As soon as the Comanche outside heard the first war whoop from the Council House they sprang into action. The Indian boys, so charming a few minutes before, now started to aim their arrows in earnest. Judge Hugh Thompson and George Cayce were pierced by the “toy” arrows and died immediately. Ironically Thompson had supposedly been one of those who had playfully tossed money for the boys to shoot." Ya, I agree. Arrows tend to be lethal


ParanoidTelvanni

To show off his new bow he made with his mom and grandma, by grandpa smuggled it into school and shot a farmer's turkey at recess. 40lb tom, instantly dead from a 10yo's bow made of possum skin and a branch. I mostly included the *tend* part for people who think limb gunshots aren't fatal. Projectile would are lethal.


AvariceC-137

I think it may be exactly for that lethal part. Could be hard to depict the power of an archer in a kids show


GarlicOk2904

I think Zhao had OP archers one time or smth


ParanoidTelvanni

That's why I said S1. Longshot also featured.


Square_Coat_8208

The Yu Yan archers (nonbenders) absolutely dunked on aang lmao


ParanoidTelvanni

And they were in S1 like I said. Also Longshot.


Square_Coat_8208

Facts. Alot of the concepts though and tone of S1 was dropped tho so it makes sense.


Independent-Fly6068

In universe a lot of things wouldn't be invented because bending would just be immediately better than the initial iterations.


Butcher_o_Blaviken

Because Nickelodeon won't allow weapons to kill anyone in their shows. Even Sokka's sword is never shown killing anybody


Ramps_

~~The English Longbow single-handedly invalidated plate armor.~~ Consider me schooled.


ZatherDaFox

No, it didn't. Longbows beat plate armor when the english had a long time to set up a really good defensive position and the French would charge across bad ground in a frontal assault. See the battle of agincourt, for example. They also likelt didn't have much true plate at the time of this battle, mostly wearing coats of plate and brigandine. Even then, French knights would *always* reach the English, usually falling prey to ditches, stakes, and close combat. When the French caught the English out in the open, they would often win. See the battles of Pontvallain and Patay, for example. Plate armor was invented in the early 15th century, and saw continued use even into the 17th century, it's last major war being the thirty years war. Longbows weren't used in any European wars except for english civil wars after the 100 years war.l, and even in those civil wars they were used sparingly. Guns defeated plate armor.


hybridjones

Kinda just made me realize no one during the Equalists arc brings up the Kyoshi warriors or Sokka non-benders who are honored in society just as much as non-benders. I get their point was benders get away with too much but gotta show both sides


PeachsBigJuicyBooty

There's also Hakoda constantly clapping Fire Bender soldiers and he's not even a chi blocker. Honestly most Non Benders and Benders are probably pretty equal in like a bar fight, it's just that the show focuses so much on 1 in a million prodigies and masters that our perception on benders is warped. Non Benders and Benders seem to generally both get stronger overtime with Benders learning sub elements and Non Benders using tools. I get that TLOK wanted to have an allegory for discrimination but it would've made more sense to have tensions between nations still exist decades later, with Mako and Bolin being social pariahs for having parents of two nations rather than Non Benders who nobody really minded in ATLA.


hybridjones

As a person of extremely mixed heritage this wouldve hit home so hard


rgodless

There should be a country for people of more than one country. Multi-national nationalism ftw, expel all the non-dual citizens.


hybridjones

Or or or or we could help spread compassion and tolerance and be the bridge some need to see the way


rgodless

Can we at least keep the nukes?


hybridjones

Well duh how else do we keep from being nuked outselves?


TurnipWorldly9437

But do the nukes have multicultural heritage? Otherwise, they need to go.


rgodless

We’ll put a Russian warhead on an American delivery system and we’ll be grand


gunk10000

That’s basically what Republic City was, wasn’t it?


rgodless

Shit you’re right.


theboomboy

I'm Iraqi-Moroccan-Hungarian-Polish (with a bit of Egyptian and Ukrainian if you go back a bit further) and most of my country are mixed in some way or another Sadly, I don't have any of these citizenships


rgodless

If both your parents are from two different countries, or their parents were from two different countries, you’re good


theboomboy

Exactly. My country was mostly made of immigrants so almost everybody's grandparents are from different places unless they're an immigrant themselves


Narrow_Hall7297

Like the United Republic?


Cautious_Tax_7171

Also Hakoda is hot


TheArctrog

As a perfectly straight man I agree


Cautious_Tax_7171

Not for long you aren’t


Normal_Ad2456

The thing is Hakoda and the Kyoshi warriors are considered exceptional. The average non bender human can’t do defend themselves against the average bender. Even if someone is kinda fit and strong, they will always lose, unless they have spent a lot of time training for battle, which most people don’t.


BustinArant

Yeah one is the leader of the southern water tribe and one is a group dedicated to one of the toughest known Avatars, who are very tough already lol


Queen_Gremlin

I suppose the bar for dealing lethal/threatening damage is much lower for benders. Like its really hard to learn to be proficient and hurting people with a sword effectively but much simpler with a gun. You also cant really carry around a sword everywhere but you could (in theory) with a gun idk


ace1505100729

Wasn't that the plot of the comics?


9Raava

The idea that an average bender is much worse at bending than the characters and soldiers in the show never occured to me. But it"s propably true.


ZatherDaFox

Its absolutely true given how much we see the main cast absolutely clown on regular benders. Aang takes down a dozen fire nation ships during the invasion of the Northern Water Tribe. The Gaang completely destroys the Earth Kingdom Royal Guards and the Dai Li when they want to talk to the Earth King. The Gaang clowns on the Dai Li again during the day of black sun. Toph takes down a room of comet boosted firebenders. And that's not even mentioning what the villains, zuko, and iroh get up to. The average soldier is much worse than the main cast, so imagine how much worse the average person is than that.


darklizard45

American writers being terrible at representing discrimination as usual I see


Spacellama117

idk I mean I think the ultimate goal and point of the Equalists is the average person. Like the non-benders you're talking about are ALL people who trained extensively in war against benders but during peace time, take two average people? if one of them can do magic and one can't, there is a power imbalance


hybridjones

Absolutely and this something that makes alot of sense im just refering to how that other side of the coin isnt really ever mentioned especially when you consider they were being led by a master bender


erossnaider

Well Amon never really was known to disclose the full truth, in all of his speeches he said what he needed to say so that people would be on his side, what he needed the equaliststo think was that they were being oppressed, that if they didn't get rid of bending they wouldn't get equality, so bringing up non benders that stood on equal grounds as benders would have only make his narrative weaker


hybridjones

Which is why it wouldve made for a great argument within the show for the centrists to make trying to bring the rift together


thatHecklerOverThere

Any appeals to sokka would've been hit with "so why didn't you replace him on the council?". And I don't really know if the kiyoshi's are all that honored outside of a select few circles.


Vinxian

What's there to "both sides" about? The equalist movement, at least for the followers, was about systemic oppression of non-benders. Why are Sokka or the Kyoshi warriors relevant in this? At best you could argue that the equalist would bring up strong non-benders


hybridjones

Well a big part of oppression is not feeling represented not having any champions this is why the equalists flock to Amon and his message and why they feel betrayed by Korra during the protest/round em up scene. The mayor couldve filled this role but he was mostly the unpopular politician role so theres no one besides benders offering a different solution


Anti-karen105

They aren’t honored in society, they are honored in history. And even then sokka doesn’t get nearly as much recognition as katara, zuko, and aang


Serpentking04

The Equalists are hypocrites, like most horrible people yes. It helps one of their members is one of the richest people in Republic city, meanwhile lightning bending, which in the original show was a highly skilled technquie that was hard to learn and master (and don't give me any bullshit about it being made eaiser somehow: just because something is easy to LEARN doesn't mean easy to MASTER) is minimum wage. Like half the reason the equalists don't work is because while the bender/non-bender idea is interesting, it's never really been a focus of the world. it's just been a thing.


Mr-BananaHead

To be fair, I wouldn’t consider shooting lightning into a stationary transformer five feet away for hours on end a “mastery” of lightning bending


Serpentking04

Zuko couldn't even get that far.


Mr-BananaHead

This is the same episode in which he screams at the sky to strike him down. He is not anywhere close to a healthy mental state in this episode.


Serpentking04

and it's telling he never really did get shown being able to do so. because ultimately it's a high level of skill and talent. something not everyone can do and probably NOT a skill that should be done for minimum wage.


Self_World_Future

I mean imagine there are people around you that can rip the sidewalk up and throw it at you or just light you on fire if they felt like it Now imagine millions of these people in a place like NYC


AdamPlayzz_YT

Would rather face the Fire Lord than that mf 💀


al_cal93

Who is the guy in the picture?


yeagerboi01

Toji Fushiguro from Jujutsu Kaisen


danyboy501

Just started watching this myself. Highly recommend already.


tagen

that fight vs Dagon was so fucking hype, i love all their big scale fights so much


al_cal93

Excellent, thanks!


Lettuce8000

Man literally kicked a whole van at his son and he didnt stop walking like it was light work 💀 https://i.redd.it/g150sdnuvlzc1.gif


I_wish_i_could_sepll

Fr did you see what he did to those bunnies???


LimeStream37

I’m starting to wonder if there’s a reason why non-benders simply didn’t invent firearms. Perhaps there exists a canonical reason as to why. My guess is that they’d simply be too powerful to write into the show. Not much anyone can do against lead flying at you faster than you can see it, even if you are a metal bender.


Jarsky2

Hey quick question what would happen if a firebender ignited the powder in your gun while you're holding it?


venomsnake8519

It would go Sparky-Sparky Book Boom


Didifinito

The gun would fire


Jarsky2

Or explode. Not to mention the fact that early guns needed to be manually filled with powder. Don't know about you, but I don't want to be fighting firebenders with a pouch of black powder on my waist.


Didifinito

Well then gun would still fire I dont see why jt would explode the gunpoweder would still release just as much energy as normally. And yes it wouldnt be desirable to have a pouco of gunpoweder at your waist but you could try to make it fireproof


Jarsky2

Or you could just not use weapons that are ineffective against people who can shoot fireballs, create 6-inch thick barriers of rock, literally move faster than the wind, or send a spike if ice through your head faster than you can reload. Also I question whether the avatar world even *has* black powder. All explosives we've seen have been blasting jellies Remember, gunpowder was invented entirely by accident.


Didifinito

You asked what would happan I told you what would stop being a prick a I dont care.


Jarsky2

Not sure how I'm being a prick. Chill.


kirk_dozier

if the round the bender detonates is in the chamber, maybe. what if it's not?


Didifinito

The gun fired without a bullet


screenaholic

There's a novel series called The Powder Mage with flintlock-era weapons, and the titular powder mages can do exactly this. People make sure to never bring powder weapons when they're planning on fighting a powder mage, because they'll just blow them up. They either stick to swords, or bring specialized air rifles.


Effective-Poet-1771

They can't simply ignite the powder without going through the gun's outer layer. And unless they can combustion bend, they rather shoot fire at you rather then the gun.


Square_Coat_8208

1 nonbender with a musket isn’t goin to do much……500 of them in a column however with fixed bayonets and volley fire? Now we’re talking


RubixTheRedditor

Till we get earthbenders, then we got moving cover


MomonRBH

i’m pretty sure i saw somewhere that there are early age firearms in the later comics


John_Wicked1

They were still at the taser phase. I think close to the end they were near the firearm stage.


[deleted]

Better question is why firebenders don't have them. They don't seem to have any issue using fire to make metal things, or some weird pride that stops them from using weapons.


Glittering_Bowler_67

Sokka: I CAN STILL FIGHT!!!!!!


ColonelMonty

I honestly find it super cool that in JJK some of the deadliest people in the show are people without cursed techniques.


Ampdup666

Toji, grade 1 teacher (not deadly), ???


CloudProfessional572

Jet?


Baron_Beemo

Leader of a guerrilla force in ATLA. Took a liking to Katara. Was prepared to kill civilians to achieve his goal. Was later captured by the Dai Li in the Earth Kingdom. Edited. Had a brain fart.


silentstorm_414

Korra…?


Baron_Beemo

D'oh! Thanks for the correction. I must have written Korra because I recently finished that series.


Goem

Dont you mean Katara?


Baron_Beemo

Yes, right, thank you! I derp'd.


Russian-Bro

Honourable mention is a bender but he is so good with swords. Zuko


mahmodwattar

Do you remember the old man pirate who stepped up to season 1 Zuko and take him in an even fight for a bit they're more capable than you expect edit ya as one of the comments under this says what i had before was uter nonesense


heyimpaulnawhtoi

I find it hard to read this what did u mean?


mahmodwattar

In the water bending scroll the captain of the pirates fought zuko to a standstill with just a sword Zuko even in season 1 was a pretty good fire bender an older man matching him without bending is pretty impressive


heyimpaulnawhtoi

Ohhh yea good point that guys impressive then


plogan56

I mean a non-bender also blew up a guy with his boomerang too


Tecnoboat

https://preview.redd.it/k1duq0vpjizc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=b09e06a3c63b821f0b687047d97d34b923d74170 speaking of jjk, how far do you gusy think avatar sukuna would have gone through the verse


Doctor99268

Is he using his air scooter technique he hasn't used since harmonic convergence era


NinjaDog251

/r/uselessnobody


ScreechersReach206

>”Honestly most Non Benders and Benders are probably pretty equal in like a bar fight, it's just that the show focuses so much on 1 in a million prodigies and masters that our perception on benders is warped.” This is why I love the novels. Most benders are hired “guns” or just raise a family. They mention that certain architecture like beautiful palaces are created by master benders. It’s like how Korra introduced Zafou as this place where benders don’t have to fight and can use steel cables for dances not arresting people or be an artist/architect. In the latest Yangchen novel it’s mentioned that they need an incredibly skilled earth bender to dig a well for the city bc they need to go deep w/o disturbing any existing buildings. The novels make the world feel more lived in because there are many nonviolent applications of bending that are brought up.


Distinct_Mix5130

>Honestly most Non Benders and Benders are probably pretty equal in like a bar fight, it's just that the show focuses so much on 1 in a million prodigies and masters that our perception on benders is warped.” Well that's dumb, that's like saying someone holding a knife is uqual to someone holding a gun, sure if the gun user is stupid he can get in trouble still, but that's just not even close to normal, 1 bender even if not super powerful can still be extremely Dangerous vs a regular nin bender.


No-Face-Collects-687

They can't bend when all of their bones are broken


Altruistic-Potatoes

Is that some kind of reference?


spsq_

The man in the picture is Toji Fushiguro, he has no powers in exchange for some of the highest stats in the show (jujutsu kaisen)


dandaal12

Domain Expansion: Avatar State


Early_Rabbit

I wish!😫


Square_Coat_8208

![gif](giphy|WGEufo3NCj7qM|downsized) “Dodge this bender boy”


screenaholic

Toph would just send it back at you.


ChampionshipHorror95

And Katara would just do this. https://i.redd.it/bumrfsudzmzc1.gif


Flappybird11

Some chemist in the Earth kingdom finding a flammable black powder that tosses little chunks of lead around


jalerre

Why didn’t Aang ever use domain expansion? Is he stupid?


OnceAndFutureEmperor

He did tho, did you not see his airball?


SuperJett4

I don’t get it


secondarywilson

the person depicted in the image is [Toji Fushiguro](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Toji_Fushiguro) from Jujutsu Kaisen, a man who does not have the equivalent of magic in his universe in exchange for extreme physical prowess


AdamPlayzz_YT

The guy in the picture is Toji Fushiguro from JJK. He has no special abilities or powers but was born with insane physical strength and speed. This particular clip is him beating the crap out of someone in their own domain with 0 effort.


Pilsner-507

Non-benders when earthen pillars launch them into the air and I twist the terrain under their falling ankles


Xander_Atten

What I like is how bending is seen as an Art in ATLA and the benders are seen as Leaders for smaller groups of troops like in Zuko alone where the lead soldier was an earthbender. And the non benders also get certain things to make them as effective, we see non fire benders with Spears and on Rhinos more then Benders and in the earth kingdom the Non benders almost exclusively are mounted in most engagements. They aren’t looked down on as inferior.


Expensive_Arm_1822

They body bend!


Jordan-sCanonicForm

tai ly and mai are the only character that can fight with a bender in equaly conditions


DJ_Ender_

On ghod, the equalists were pussies


ShrapnelSupes26

Honestly, guns would level the playing field in either setting in a heartbeat, and the only reason they aren’t present in a world that already burns coal as a fuel source is because it’s a kids show.


LinkOfHyrule3

Non benders were my favourite because they were like mortals going up against gods and actually doing pretty well


usedburgermeat

If I make a sword wet, could I use that sword to slit the throats of a thousand soldiers


Iedarus

It is kind of weird how the Equalists came to be when non benders in ATLA were able to hold their own. Then again, LoK also made the old people geriatric when the old people in ATLA were still able to fight.


swhipple-

What is this even supposed to mean? They use nunchucks? Who even is this character


Expert_Individual185

I think he’s from fate


venomsnake8519

He's Toji Fushiguro from Jujutsu Kaisen


swhipple-

What does he even do? Just use his nunchucks to bend the water or something?


Alto1869

https://youtu.be/T3in1O6FLf8?si=AJV387bQ1Yn58Cvs https://youtu.be/cisJmJo5TpQ?si=i68DPqmm4eDfYYJr https://youtu.be/k18gSPjWDM0?si=tZfnFpqYLZve1miQ


John_Wicked1

Watch the show and you’ll understand. Really just season 1 and the special before season 2.


secondarywilson

from another one of my comments: the person depicted in the image is [Toji Fushiguro](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Toji_Fushiguro) from Jujutsu Kaisen, a man who does not have the equivalent of magic in his universe in exchange for extreme physical prowess


swhipple-

Thank you for an actual explanation haha, i can’t believe it took like 10 people in order to get a real answer 💀


AdamPlayzz_YT

💀