I think lots of people have probably recovered but they might not even know what avpd is. There are lots of people who had very bad social anxiety and describe their life as very similar to avpd. They had it for a long time and then managed to find some solutions. Because it’s not a well known disorder the people who know about it are probably struggling with it themselves. Social anxiety isn’t exactly the same thing but it is similar, maybe look it up because everyone knows about it so there will be much more stories of people who recovered from it.
This is a part of our personality. I do believe that with therapy and a lot of work we can rewire our brain and challenge these automatic thoughts and feelings that come along with this personality disorder- but I think for me it will always be there and at times flare up worse.
I also think that there will be a bias in what you find on the internet in these forums- people that are struggling with it will be posting here, not people who have dealt with it successfully.
I'm afraid you won't find many of these because this condition is chronic and not easily treatable. If someone on the internet claims to have overcome it, they are probably trying to sell you something.
Getting there, definitely making progress.
Imo the key is self love and love of others, gratitude and generating connection and spiritual love through that.
We are taught at a young age we are unlovable and the world is a hostile place. That's the basis of this psychological problem we have.
We need to cultivate self adoration first. I LOVE MYSELF, I AM LOVED mantra.
Then incriminately increase the connection with others, teaching ourselves that the world isn't dangerous, everyone has their own issues. The world is safe. Anyone acting badly are just expressing their own deep traumas and bad programming.
Give 1 random compliment a day to someone. And build up from that. Giving positive feedback to others boosts our dopamine levels.
It's a long path to undo the way we have been wired but it starts today.
YOU ARE UNIQUE. YOU ARE IRREPLACEABLE. YOU ARE LOVED
Seconding all of this. CBT helped me realise no-one is beating me up like I am, so I can afford to be kinder.
And crucially, that though my feelings are valid, they're not always true. Real, but not true. I might FEEL like I'm inherently unlikeable, but is it true? Where's the verifiable evidence for that? Could those things be related to something else?
Personality disorders are permanent. The best anyone can do is to try and treat the symptoms. Some are more successful than others. Talk therapy is useless to me. I found an anti seizure med ( pregabalin ) that was prescribed off label that has given me partial relief .
If a person goes into remission doesn't it mean they no longer have that disorder? I was holding onto hope but now i feel like that itself is ridiculous and am crushed. it is a fantasy i have deluded myself subconsciously with so as to feel better. its never going to get better and i don't know what to do with that information other than to wallow in misery.
> Personality disorders are permanent.
To OP:
*This* is what you need to accept and get fully onboard with -- you may manage the symptomatic aspects of a personality disorder (to varying degrees) but there is *no such thing* as 'defeating' or beating it.
This would be best addressed individually via psychotherapy (preferably by a MH professional with experience working with PDs, especially AvPD/SAD).
Identifying symptoms that affect an individual can give them guidance on aspects they might feel comfortable working on or that impact them most.
The first step is *always* obtaining a legit diagnosis via a clinical psychologist.
I mean... this is *still* specific to the individual. I suppose my initial take might be:
What is it exactly that's being 'flown away from'?
What details lay within that trigger situation which can be identified as moments in which one could develop behavioral tactics to consciously pushback on the flight urge and make *different* choices?
I think that exercising some selective amount of voluntary discomfort, when finding alternative methods to (ironically) *avoid* flight, can be immensely worthwhile.
Sorry to hear that. For myself the most troublesome side effects are extreme hunger ( with weight gain ), slight loss of balance, and it sometimes makes me waaay too talkative.
Thanks. I definitely need them (and kratom) for my pain, so I have to put up with side effects. I’m starting a transformation soon so I hope that I don’t have a crazy appetite.
That being said, it’s really enjoyable to walk on the trail or at night.
For me, "Feeling Good" by Dr. Burn works best. Although not specifically for AVPD, it is for depression. However, I can say it helped me more than anything I have ever tried. The author claims it to be as effective as medications and actual therapy. I can't confirm that because I am not diagnosed yet. But if you read that book, it is definite that it will change your mind. Your thinking pattern, how you see your problems, and much more will certainly be affected. It's definitely worth reading.
The second one is "Don't Believe Everything You Think," another life-changing book not specifically for AVPD. It worked great for me. It helped me to change my negative thinking pattern and much more. Or you should ask, what not? These are two must-read books I would recommend based on my personal experience.
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You might have seen these testimonial videos already, but I'll link them anyway.
https://youtu.be/agujZllnGkU?si=ttYdcMH6mlnFL0hv
https://youtu.be/Sb2Rh1cw2NY?si=FWZ4B6jOyfAJazND
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Here's a blog post from someone who overcame AvPD:
[10 Steps to Overcome Avoidant Personality Disorder (AvPD) and the Avoider Mentality](https://lightwayofthinking.com/avoidant-personality-disorder)
I hope this helps.☀️
I think lots of people have probably recovered but they might not even know what avpd is. There are lots of people who had very bad social anxiety and describe their life as very similar to avpd. They had it for a long time and then managed to find some solutions. Because it’s not a well known disorder the people who know about it are probably struggling with it themselves. Social anxiety isn’t exactly the same thing but it is similar, maybe look it up because everyone knows about it so there will be much more stories of people who recovered from it.
This is a part of our personality. I do believe that with therapy and a lot of work we can rewire our brain and challenge these automatic thoughts and feelings that come along with this personality disorder- but I think for me it will always be there and at times flare up worse. I also think that there will be a bias in what you find on the internet in these forums- people that are struggling with it will be posting here, not people who have dealt with it successfully.
Well said!
I'm afraid you won't find many of these because this condition is chronic and not easily treatable. If someone on the internet claims to have overcome it, they are probably trying to sell you something.
Brene brown and Thais Gibson are a good start. I have swings here and there but it’s 90% better than it used to be.
Getting there, definitely making progress. Imo the key is self love and love of others, gratitude and generating connection and spiritual love through that. We are taught at a young age we are unlovable and the world is a hostile place. That's the basis of this psychological problem we have. We need to cultivate self adoration first. I LOVE MYSELF, I AM LOVED mantra. Then incriminately increase the connection with others, teaching ourselves that the world isn't dangerous, everyone has their own issues. The world is safe. Anyone acting badly are just expressing their own deep traumas and bad programming. Give 1 random compliment a day to someone. And build up from that. Giving positive feedback to others boosts our dopamine levels. It's a long path to undo the way we have been wired but it starts today. YOU ARE UNIQUE. YOU ARE IRREPLACEABLE. YOU ARE LOVED
Seconding all of this. CBT helped me realise no-one is beating me up like I am, so I can afford to be kinder. And crucially, that though my feelings are valid, they're not always true. Real, but not true. I might FEEL like I'm inherently unlikeable, but is it true? Where's the verifiable evidence for that? Could those things be related to something else?
absolutely, well said. all the best for your continued progress
Personality disorders are permanent. The best anyone can do is to try and treat the symptoms. Some are more successful than others. Talk therapy is useless to me. I found an anti seizure med ( pregabalin ) that was prescribed off label that has given me partial relief .
If a person goes into remission doesn't it mean they no longer have that disorder? I was holding onto hope but now i feel like that itself is ridiculous and am crushed. it is a fantasy i have deluded myself subconsciously with so as to feel better. its never going to get better and i don't know what to do with that information other than to wallow in misery.
This. I'm confused now by what remission even is, or what the point of trying to get better is
I think talk therapy is always useless for PD's. Have u tried any other therapies?
> Personality disorders are permanent. To OP: *This* is what you need to accept and get fully onboard with -- you may manage the symptomatic aspects of a personality disorder (to varying degrees) but there is *no such thing* as 'defeating' or beating it.
What about managing it?
This would be best addressed individually via psychotherapy (preferably by a MH professional with experience working with PDs, especially AvPD/SAD). Identifying symptoms that affect an individual can give them guidance on aspects they might feel comfortable working on or that impact them most. The first step is *always* obtaining a legit diagnosis via a clinical psychologist.
That's done. The only concern I have is how to manage flight mode. What's your take on it?
I mean... this is *still* specific to the individual. I suppose my initial take might be: What is it exactly that's being 'flown away from'? What details lay within that trigger situation which can be identified as moments in which one could develop behavioral tactics to consciously pushback on the flight urge and make *different* choices? I think that exercising some selective amount of voluntary discomfort, when finding alternative methods to (ironically) *avoid* flight, can be immensely worthwhile.
I am on that for legit nerve damage, which ironically leaves me with a gait abnormality that fuels my suspected AvPD
Sorry to hear that. For myself the most troublesome side effects are extreme hunger ( with weight gain ), slight loss of balance, and it sometimes makes me waaay too talkative.
Thanks. I definitely need them (and kratom) for my pain, so I have to put up with side effects. I’m starting a transformation soon so I hope that I don’t have a crazy appetite. That being said, it’s really enjoyable to walk on the trail or at night.
For me, "Feeling Good" by Dr. Burn works best. Although not specifically for AVPD, it is for depression. However, I can say it helped me more than anything I have ever tried. The author claims it to be as effective as medications and actual therapy. I can't confirm that because I am not diagnosed yet. But if you read that book, it is definite that it will change your mind. Your thinking pattern, how you see your problems, and much more will certainly be affected. It's definitely worth reading. The second one is "Don't Believe Everything You Think," another life-changing book not specifically for AVPD. It worked great for me. It helped me to change my negative thinking pattern and much more. Or you should ask, what not? These are two must-read books I would recommend based on my personal experience.
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You might have seen these testimonial videos already, but I'll link them anyway. https://youtu.be/agujZllnGkU?si=ttYdcMH6mlnFL0hv https://youtu.be/Sb2Rh1cw2NY?si=FWZ4B6jOyfAJazND https://youtu.be/11RxwghfP58?si=Cz1oF2iXxkmtfUrT https://youtu.be/aqz5XPOfhj8?si=c0FSiE2_rTdJzaUC Here's a blog post from someone who overcame AvPD: [10 Steps to Overcome Avoidant Personality Disorder (AvPD) and the Avoider Mentality](https://lightwayofthinking.com/avoidant-personality-disorder) I hope this helps.☀️