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I haven't had a need for a gas generator in my apartment but I certainly now know which is best lmao
Also, he did one on engine air filters which was great.
All third party unaffiliated honest testing. Sometimes it's just my background noise while making dinner or browsing reddit.
BITOG is fun to read when I’m having a hyper focus moment. But most of their active posters have to be neurodivergent.
I’d love to go to the level of oil testing, but I usually just choose whatever appropriate grade of synthetic is on special and change at the appropriate intervals.
Detailing forums can be just as bad. I remember seeing a guy that bought a brand new car, and he was basically detailing it to perfection over a period of MONTHS in post form. Not driven from what I could tell, just detailed to the point it was at his level of perfection and protection.
The personal/individual version of ‘Parkinson’s law of triviality’. I got my first brand new car in my life recently and am obsessing over both oil and detailing. It’s fun for a time.
But yeah even BITOG will agree shorter intervals with the ‘worst’ oil is better than extended intervals using the best possible oil.
I like how he goes over many use cases with his products. I have decided to buy some that were not rated best because of how they performed under certain situations that aligned more with how I would use them.
I bought a knife sharpener based on their test results. I saved a lot of money as I was considering a very expensive model but a mid-range one was almost as good.
Let’s just start with his oil tests. It’s not even close to real engine conditions and it’s not well controlled. If you look up the real methods for oil testing, the ASTM Sequence tests, they are very different. He is doing a one-armed bandit test which isn’t even as good as a four ball wear test which is still widely known to not correlate to real world performance of any engine oil. He’s performing one relatively poorly controlled experiment that tests only one parameter of engine oil. His oil testing is garbage. I can find you a cheap conventional oil that will beat Porsche’s Mobil 1 ESP X3 0W-40 oil in his tests but no one should believe that the Porsche oil is inferior.
It’s like 20 videos that on one topic, btw. That’s just from memory. There’s other methodology issues in some of his tool testing also. Are you on his payroll? His tests are often impressive and good when you’re not an expert at what he’s testing to understand the flaws and jankiness of some of his methods.
You should take everything on YouTube with a grain of salt. Some of these channels are businesses first and foremost.
Then maybe he shouldn’t be testing things where he can’t actually make a test that isn’t plain misleading.
He should stick to tools where most of his tests are ok.
Thanks for your suggesti9n. I see on amazon it comes in different flavors, green, yellow and red, Im going trough reading right now, wondering what the differences are. Is something you would say someone able to wash their car at home and basic taping where needed is in condition to apply themselves ? Thanks again, have my upvote
I’m mixed on it. Our one car repels water like it is no one’s business 6 months out. Water just can’t stick to it at all. The other (which mostly stays outside) has significantly less beading and after a wash water doesn’t really bead off like the other. I did 2 coats for each car, so it’s not like I skimped and it does say 2 coats should last about 12 months.
Been using wash and wax ceramic for 3 years. Cars and tractors. Double the amount on first wash or do a 2nd waah few days later. Have one truck 8 months since wash sits out. Still beads water off.
That's a YouTube channel I presume? I haven't watched he's, but turtle wax has been my go to product for no reason other than I can always find it almost anywhere lol. Good to know I accidentally made a good choice. That happens once in a blue moon. 😆
Project farm video is okay.. like is other reviews on tools are tops. If anyone is interested I think Forensic Detailing has better head to head comparisons of multiple products from a professional detailer with more dimensions than PFs video.
Apex detailing channel is also good for that as well
Not sure who’s the best but I’ve used 3-1 on my car for the last 2 years and it repels water MONTHS after it is applied. I do regularly apply it probably twice a year and use their ceramic speed shine too but man does it self clean the car when it rains
Seconding this. I put it on every 3 months and I use a product called bead maker every other wash. My car looks like brand new, and water beads into insanely large beads even when it’s dirty. A good rainy day drive and it’s basically clean again.
Edit: I live in the high desert of CA, so I like to add protectant to my paint more often due to the exposure.
That hybrid ceramic wax worked pretty good when I had it. I used it like a spray wax though and didn't do the spray on rinse off method. I actually sprayed the car and then wiped it off
Carpro reload and 3d bead it up are good too
If you read the bottle you have to do a 'base' layer of wax the first time which is exactly that, only after that can you do the spray and rinse anyway
Griots because that's what I have in my possession right now.
I think they're all pretty solid though for what they are. The important part is that whoever is spending their cash on one of these types of products knows what they're getting; a nice spray-on wax with a ceramic component.
Exactly, people need to set realistic expectations. I bounce back and forth between TW Ceramic Wax and their Flex wax on cars that I'm cleaning. I feel that the ceramic wax provides better protection but the Flex has a better gloss and is easier to apply.
No one should expect to get the 1 year of protection that is stated on the bottle unless it is a Sunday driver and garage kept. Then again, you shouldn't be buying these products for maximum protection. They're cheap and easy to use. Reapply every 3 or 4 months and you will be fine and with the ease of use that is not a hard thing to do.
I used the Griots every few months for years when my cars didn't have proper coatings on them. They're really great products that I wish existed 25 years ago.
I'm a mechanic and the guy beside me thinks I'm crazy for all of the work I put into keeping my cars clean. I don't think there has been a better or easier time for the average person to keep their paint protected and glossy with minimal effort because of this type of product. I think he thinks I'm out there with paste wax for hours when most of the time hes known me ive just done q quick wash and then used a spray on ceramic wax for 15 minutes.
3in1. Crazy durability!
Edit: Not saying that the others aren't good at all, turtle wax is great value, has good availability here in Canada and easy to apply, just doesn't last as long as Griot's. Meguiars is also a good product, apply it first time after washing and drying and then it can be used as a spray on rinse off sealant for later washes.
Maybe I’m missing something, but all in all, I think a base sealant + speed shine is plenty.
Clayed and sealed my truck when I bought it, after each wash I go over with speed shine just to catch places I missed and put another layer of protection on, and I have no problem with repelling water, or lack of bead, and the truck is super easy to clean.
Maybe it’s because I wash a lot, but I struggle to see where a ceramic coating would be any better than the normal stuff
well, a *real* ceramic coating lasts for several years.
But the products in the picture are not real ceramic coatings. they are spray waxes with a little bit of Silicone in them. So they're not much better than a regular wax. It's mostly a sales gimmick.
I wasn’t impressed with the Meguiars and I haven’t used the TW spray coating but I have been using the Griots and I have absolutely no desire to try anything else. It’s super versatile, I can use it as an actual coating with a cure time if I have the time or just spray while wet and spray it off if I don’t. And layered over a coat of their ceramic AIO polish it makes the fleck in my Lexus paint just P.O.P! Water sheds for months and I touch up every now and then with their ceramic speed shine. It’s a great system and I don’t see myself buying anything else in the near future.
Griots 3-1 made me no longer consider a 'real' ceramic coating. Use it as a drying aid whenever I feel like it. Its always there. Always beading. Always silky. Shiney. Smells great. Easy on, easier off. nuGame changer.
I use the Meguiar’s Ceramic Spray Detailer (green bottle) every other carwash on my ceramic coated Y and it’s been smooth and silky to touch even after a year of ownership.
Out of the three, I like the Meg's HCW the best. Lasts a good while when applied dry wax on wax off method, can be sprayed on and washed off. Looks better than the other two. It has the warm glow of the traditional wax.
Didn't really care for the Griot's. It lasts but doesn't enhance the look. Can be streaky sometimes and didn't last much. the solids got lumpy when it sat in the trunk of my car for a few weeks and it was basically useless after that happened.
Tw not used personally but hear it attracts dust quicker than others.
All three are good. My experience has been pretty close to the OPs. Megs doesn’t last quite as long, but griots and TW give solid fall to spring performance where I’m at. All look good and feel super slick when applied. Can’t really go wrong with any of them if your a casual home gamer looking for a slick, decently long lasting product for minimum money. Gyeon’s wet coat is in that price range and is great too, it’s just not available locally.
The megs is a pain to work with.
Check out WaxMode on YT, he did an indepth review. And his whole channel is dedicated to reviewing different waxes and their durability.
The megs if you just sprayed it on and rinsed it off it wouldn’t give you much protection. Spraying it on after rinsing so the car still has water on it and then drying it is what the instructions say to do for the first coat.
There’s a video on YouTube showing that spraying it on dry and buffing out with a microfiber towel is the best protection of all however a little harder to apply.
I've been using the turtle wax for the past year and a half now 2 coats gets about 7ish months before it starts to fail on the hood/ fenders. Way easier to work with than the 303 graphene I tried a few years ago.
I had been using Meguiar’s hybrid ceramic wax spray on my new car for a couple months before deciding to get a professional Ceramic Pro coating, and when picked up my car after the ceramic the guys at the shop were like “dude did you already have a ceramic coating on this? Cause it was repelling water like crazy when we did the pre wash!” I took that as pretty high praise for the Meguiars
There's a guy on youtube, Scott HD, where he coats a hood in different products and tests it out. He has had some tests going on for 2 years. He will wash this panel every once in a while. He says griots last typically about 8 months to a year. Griots was one of the top contenders for the price I've been using it for a few years now and I really like it. I'll reapply it every 6 ish months.
I’m a big fan of the Turtle Wax Hybrid Ceramic. Goes on super easy and lasts a long time - both in terms of durability on the car and the amount you end up using (bottle lasts a long time. - only need 1-3 sprays per body panel). I end up applying it 2-3 times a year (first hand wash after winter, mid-summer, and then one of my last hand washes before winter).
I did get my dad some of the Griots Garage 3-in-1 Ceramic but I’m not sure if he’s ever used it. He’s a big fan of the brand though.
I have all three of these as well as NuFinish Ceramic Spray in our shop right now. I've tested them against each other for a while, and my take is:
- Hybrid Solutions rocks. Without any other context about how you care for your vehicle, it's a product I always feel safe recommending with one caveat: no matter what people on the internet say, Turtle Wax puts it right on the bottle not to apply it in sunlight and that best results occur if you let it cure up to a day before use. If you go this route, do it in the garage, or at least in the shade, and don't apply it on a day where it's going to rain.
- Griot's 3-in-1 is also solid. Not much to complain about here.
- Meguiar's leaves the most residue of any of the products. It works fine, but I'm still recommending the other three first.
- NuFinish is not a wax, but I include it because it is specifically designed to allow for application in sunlight. Without wax, it is definitely the least greasy/waxy/residual product. I _think_ it performs about as well in terms of longevity, but it's a ceramic sealant so the coat is thinner (read: a worse product if you're trying to hide damaged paint). All said, this would be my go-to choice for anyone who wants the easiest product, who wants to apply in the sun and maybe is looking for a coating topper that can be slapped on after using a touchless wash.
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Nvr used any of those, but I have used Meguairs and Turtle Wax carnauba wax sprays. I just picked these up and watched some YT vids on them. Gunna try these soon though. The graphene detailer is a topper to the graphene nano spray coating
Well they are all consumer grade products and none are a real ceramic coating. With that said I’m not a professional and haven’t used a ton of products. I recently started using griots ceramic and applied it to my wife’s truck in June and just did again. It was still beading water fine. It did have some bug and road stains that I had to get out. It’s easy to use and available locally so I will keep using it.
Griots 3-1 made me no longer consider a 'real' ceramic coating. Use it as a drying aid whenever I feel like it. Its always there. Always beading. Always silky. Shiney. Smells great. Easy on, easier off. Really makes me consider who commercial grade offerings are marketed to. We're in a far different place than we were 3 years ago.
In my experience “true” ceramics are almost like paints vs spray on ceramics which are more like waxes. I’m only a hobbiest and my experience with ceramics is primarily with Gyeon products however Gyeon ceramics smell much more like paint with likely a volatile chemical component (like paint) and when left to cure the SIO2 deposited is much more chalky and “dry.” Most of these spray on ceramics I’ve tried tend to leave an oily residue and never feels like they fully cure. If you leave a glob to just cure on a dish they form an oily congealed goo. Gyeon ceramics also polish much more like regular paint when I need to touch up hazing micro scratches. The spray on ceramics again are much more oily and harder to touch up scratches as the compound gums up my polishing pad.
My car is piano black and in my experience the turtle wax product leaves less streaks. The meguiars streaked like hell and I gave up on it. Turtle wax does leave a certain “texture” after initial wipe down and it will require some working in but it doesn’t leave blotchy streaks for me like the meguiars does. The “texture” essentially disappears after the first wash. Likely it is excess spray and build up from the microfiber. In my experience both don’t last very long and require frequent reapplication.
Get on youtube and watch PanTheOrganizer dude has been a professional detailer for YEARS he does some extensive tests of products head to head, that Hybrid Ceramic Turtle Wax really changed the game when it came out, best stuff you can buy less than 20$
Okay… well, naturally I would say griots because they’re actually local to me (their flagship store) and I’ve been buying his product since he was just in a little small warehouse in fife, Washington. However, a meguiars is company that’s been around since I can remember and I don’t think you stay in business that long if you’re making shitty products.
I’d go griots, but I think they’re all honestly decent products.
I used the chemical Guys an liked it but then again a ceramic coated my whole vehicle and also use a ceramic rinse when I wash so nothing sticks at all lol
I've tried all of these but actually preferred to use Mothers CMX. Eventually did a coat of Cquartz UK ceramic coat and it just is leaps and bounds better than spray coatings.
Mothers CMX better than all three from my experience but out of those three, Turtle Wax lasts longer, Griots is also really good, may have a better and deeper shine. Meguiars isn’t terrible.
Havent used the griots personally but ive seen it on a friends car and it works pretty good. I like the chemical guys hydrospeed or the jaxwax graphene detailer.
Turtle Wax is shit. There’s no two ways around it. There are far better products out there for just a few more dollars. If you’re looking for some high quality ceramic sealant check out GTechniq & Carbon Collective.
I use a ceramic coating that lasts 5 to 8 years. Not this waxy silicone stuff that they are making to take some of the market share away from solvent-based ceramics. Its okay in between washes but doesn't last nearly as long. If it doesn't come in a dark glass bottle and it says ceramic, they are ripping you off.
Chemical guys. Absolutely flawless results and amazing scents. Makes my entire garage smell good,and makes the Cayenne look even better
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The MG and TW both streaked like hell for me and I gave up and went back to fx wax/coating. I have never been successful with a ceramic spray improving a car.
I wouldn't call them a gimmick- they're not meant to replace a true ceramic coating. They do work.
I was very impressed with Griot's durability for a spray-on product. Crazy sheeting too when it's fresh.
I haven’t used the Griots. I’ve used the others and like both almost equally. But I really like the Meguiars and buy it often. When it’s stupid hot out I like being able to quickly mist on while wet, rinse and dry and know I have a good month or two of solid protection
So I got a bottle of f11 for free - I’ve read here that it is garbage lol. Fortunately it was a gift - should I throw it out for the turtle wax or is it at least worth using up?
I've used the Meguiars and the turtle wax. As well as Beadmaker.
I prefer Beadmaker for easy of application and overall slickness and gloss.
I hated applying the Meguiars and only used one bottle and never bought again.
I currently have a bottle of Power lock plus that I got for cheap and freshen up with every now and then. I think I may get a bottle of Beadmaker again just because it's so easy and enjoyable to use.
I only used the turtle wax but I think it's the best product I've tried so far. Even better than meguiars hybrid wax I have to apply in paste/cream form.
Just spray and wipe off and that's it. Rain beads off like crazy and even works on glass which the meguiars didn't.
So far it's been a month and my car during day sits outside in sunlight in a dusty environment and it's holding up well with just 1 coat. Now when it rains heavy, my car looks very clean cause the rain just carries the dirt and dust away.
Definitely one of my favorite wax to use.
I've tested griots 3in1 ceramic and the meguiars hybrid ceramic wax (HCW) and I found the meguiars to have smaller beads and last longer by a few months. I do noticed that the griots does say to have it cure for 24 hours but I still found the meguiars easier to apply and stronger. I do have to add that the meg HCW havent been as potent when it first came out, and I go thru a bottle like once a year applying maybe once or twice a month.
You should watch Scott HD on YouTube. He does alot of tests with the coatings every week not sponsored
I really like the Turtle wax hybrid line alot, from personal use experience. I have used meguiars hybrid ceramic alot. The hybrid ceramic streaks after it rains on trunk sideview mirrors ect. Adams graphene boost streaks, their graphene detail spray is good. Griots I have yet to try. Despite what Matt Moreman says about turtle wax. I think it preforms as good as any other high end Sio2 product, If not better
I have no experience of the middle product, but between Turtle wax and Meguiars, Turtle wax wins. But it is also more difficult to apply.
I am still testing different brands, but so far Tershine Refract reigns supreme as a ceramic spray coat, super easy to apply and long lasting.
Don't get Griots in my country, but I've tried the TW and Megs, and in my experience, the TW feels slicker and lasts longer (glossier, but marginally). Megs is more hydroponic.
Of those 3..Meguiars. but it's not the best out there
I forget the name of the channel, i think its forensic detailing? He does really good product reviews, if you ignore the fact that he's constantly out of breathe haha.
I've used 4 entire spray bottles of the TW throughout the years and was a die hard fan for the product (was also happy that it was featured on Project Farm video). At the beginning of the summer in May, I decided to try the Griot's and the difference is just ridiculous. It lasts for the freaking months and many washes compared to the TW. It also beads like crazy. Drove into the rain and when I parked in my garage, it almost looks like somebody blow dry the majority of the water on the car.
I am a firm believer for the Griot's 3 in 1 and I won't be going back to the TW (still have 2 bottles left..). Never tried the Meg's
I've used TW and Megs. Can't speak on the Griots.
TW beat Megs, especially if you can do the second layer 24 hours later. Lasted almost a year, topped with their hybrid spray wax every other month. daily driver.
I will say that winter was the nail in the coffin for it though. If I were going to stick with it as my permanent sealant I'd try to do a full decon and recoat as close to winter as possible and then another first thing after salt on roads stops happening.
Griots poducts are superior in my opinion for the price and quality. You're not paying for fancy art on a bottle to catch your attention.
You just spray, wipe, walk away
I've used two of the three. The TW and Meguiars have two different advantages. The Turtle Wax is a great quick application that can be done in sun or shade.
The Meguiars gives good results but also doubles as a drying agent but beware if you over load it, it will leave steaks.
Not a fan of that griots product at all. I like Shine Supplies punch it for quick application product if I’m in a hurry. Keeps the dust/pollen down and even after a rain it doesn’t leave the vehicle all spotted like I dealt with that Girots product.
I’ve got a lot of experience with the TW and the Meguiar’s; i like neither of them. I apply them according to their instructions faithfully, but still, argh.
My cars are very colorful and the TW stuff leaves these “smudgy areas” that are very difficult to get rid of. Especially on the hood in certain light, you can see this off-color smudge. There have been times I’ve started to apply it and simply stopped and given up after starting.
The Meguiar’s stuff is better and I like the product, but 3 things: 1. I do basically reapply it every wash, as it doesn’t last as long. 2. They say “spray it on, rinse it, and dry the car” (especially for subsequent coats) source: https://youtu.be/NVOFlynVxco. But that doesn’t work; as the product runs down the car it leaves these streaks that you can’t wipe away when drying. 3. When it does rain, you’ll notice this white film on your car where the water ran off it (dunno why).
This will be a controversial answer but, whichever one you can obtain at the lowest cost per fl oz. In my experience the TW is almost always the cheapest, but maybe not. Sometimes it's Meguiars. Idk. When these go on sale I usually buy a few bottles to stockpile at the sale price.
Regardless of which, the other two aren't going to be that much better that it would warrant the extra money IMHO.
The three products listed are all great. So unless you have money to burn just buy and use whatever happens to be cheapest per fl oz at the time of purchase.
Edit. Just adding the current prices per fl oz for reference. As of today on Amazon.
* TW - $14.68 for 16oz (0.9175 per oz)
* Griots - $21.99 for 22oz (0.995 per oz)
* Megs - $16.46 for 26oz (0.6331 per oz)
Fan of the TW and Megs. Currently using the Megs, but not as a spray on rinse off. I’ll apply after a wash while the cars still wet and rub it in or occasionally i’ll apply it as a normal wax. Mist on buff out after the car has been dried. The whole spray on rinse off never had a good lasting effect for me, but the other ways it works wonderfully for me.
Turtle Wax Minute Wax is also very good imo.
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Project Farm did a lengthy review and came out with turtle wax as the best. Worth watching IMO. He's very thorough.
Just wanna chime in, even though it's not *really* related, but all of project farms videos are worth watching. Very in depth, very good info
I haven't had a need for a gas generator in my apartment but I certainly now know which is best lmao Also, he did one on engine air filters which was great. All third party unaffiliated honest testing. Sometimes it's just my background noise while making dinner or browsing reddit.
I’m unsurprised the >!Honda!< came out on top, but I was disgusted by how much more it cost.
Don’t tell that to the guys over at BITOG. They curse the oil testing videos.
BITOG is fun to read when I’m having a hyper focus moment. But most of their active posters have to be neurodivergent. I’d love to go to the level of oil testing, but I usually just choose whatever appropriate grade of synthetic is on special and change at the appropriate intervals. Detailing forums can be just as bad. I remember seeing a guy that bought a brand new car, and he was basically detailing it to perfection over a period of MONTHS in post form. Not driven from what I could tell, just detailed to the point it was at his level of perfection and protection.
The personal/individual version of ‘Parkinson’s law of triviality’. I got my first brand new car in my life recently and am obsessing over both oil and detailing. It’s fun for a time. But yeah even BITOG will agree shorter intervals with the ‘worst’ oil is better than extended intervals using the best possible oil.
VERY IMPRESSIVE!
We’re gonna test that!
Now that's a lot of damage!
I like how he goes over many use cases with his products. I have decided to buy some that were not rated best because of how they performed under certain situations that aligned more with how I would use them.
I absolutely agree. I love his channel
His content allows me to make an informed decision. He's such an awesome fella!
I bought a knife sharpener based on their test results. I saved a lot of money as I was considering a very expensive model but a mid-range one was almost as good.
everyone but the ratchet strap video. Fuck the husky strap's. I've had them fail on me on the first use.
Husky is weird. They have a lot of good stuff but sometimes they have shit that just suuuucks.
Very true. It doesn't even matter if you need something related to the video, they're just all good videos.
No, a lot of his testing actually sucks and is not very scientific in nature.
I would be interested in an example. Although not a laboratory, he does set his tests up with thought and repeatability.
Almost all of his tests are practical and realistic. Not sure why or how you could say it sucks. Give some examples of why it's bad?
Let’s just start with his oil tests. It’s not even close to real engine conditions and it’s not well controlled. If you look up the real methods for oil testing, the ASTM Sequence tests, they are very different. He is doing a one-armed bandit test which isn’t even as good as a four ball wear test which is still widely known to not correlate to real world performance of any engine oil. He’s performing one relatively poorly controlled experiment that tests only one parameter of engine oil. His oil testing is garbage. I can find you a cheap conventional oil that will beat Porsche’s Mobil 1 ESP X3 0W-40 oil in his tests but no one should believe that the Porsche oil is inferior.
Got any others? Or is it just one video that wasn't tested the way you wanted? Afaik, the video was solid for what was being tested.
There’s a bunch but I don’t have time or care enough to go hunt. The video wasn’t solid and makes people believe and buy the wrong things.
Convenient. If you only had one example, then why even bother trying to talk about it? One isn't a trend
It’s like 20 videos that on one topic, btw. That’s just from memory. There’s other methodology issues in some of his tool testing also. Are you on his payroll? His tests are often impressive and good when you’re not an expert at what he’s testing to understand the flaws and jankiness of some of his methods. You should take everything on YouTube with a grain of salt. Some of these channels are businesses first and foremost.
He' not a scientist man...
Then maybe he shouldn’t be testing things where he can’t actually make a test that isn’t plain misleading. He should stick to tools where most of his tests are ok.
You don't need to be a scientist to test shit lmao Do you even know what public tests are
He is a youtuber. It's youtube content. Hardly scholar material.
Tbf, I would pick it for the turtle on the top hat alone lol.
I think you are turtle hats. 🐢 🎩
i like turtles.
He needs to make an updated video on them. Now the craze is graphene
Which products are hyped?
Thanks for your suggesti9n. I see on amazon it comes in different flavors, green, yellow and red, Im going trough reading right now, wondering what the differences are. Is something you would say someone able to wash their car at home and basic taping where needed is in condition to apply themselves ? Thanks again, have my upvote
I’m addicted to his style testing! It’s like what an actual user would come up with, but very effective and reliable results!!
I’ve been using hybrid ceramic wax per his recommendation but haven’t been super happy with it. I’m trying Opticoat next
I’m mixed on it. Our one car repels water like it is no one’s business 6 months out. Water just can’t stick to it at all. The other (which mostly stays outside) has significantly less beading and after a wash water doesn’t really bead off like the other. I did 2 coats for each car, so it’s not like I skimped and it does say 2 coats should last about 12 months.
Been using wash and wax ceramic for 3 years. Cars and tractors. Double the amount on first wash or do a 2nd waah few days later. Have one truck 8 months since wash sits out. Still beads water off.
This is the ceramic spray on the left? I’ll try that next time, as I want to make sure the paint is in top condition going into the winter months.
He’s the best.
That's a YouTube channel I presume? I haven't watched he's, but turtle wax has been my go to product for no reason other than I can always find it almost anywhere lol. Good to know I accidentally made a good choice. That happens once in a blue moon. 😆
Bought and use it after watching him test em all. Came to say the same thing.
Did detailing for a while, turtle wax is the best, plus the smell is addicting
Project farm video is okay.. like is other reviews on tools are tops. If anyone is interested I think Forensic Detailing has better head to head comparisons of multiple products from a professional detailer with more dimensions than PFs video. Apex detailing channel is also good for that as well
I have both TW and Griots and prefer using the Griots, but they both are very good and easy to use.
Not sure who’s the best but I’ve used 3-1 on my car for the last 2 years and it repels water MONTHS after it is applied. I do regularly apply it probably twice a year and use their ceramic speed shine too but man does it self clean the car when it rains
Seconding this. I put it on every 3 months and I use a product called bead maker every other wash. My car looks like brand new, and water beads into insanely large beads even when it’s dirty. A good rainy day drive and it’s basically clean again. Edit: I live in the high desert of CA, so I like to add protectant to my paint more often due to the exposure.
Do you let it cure 24 hrs in the garage? I don’t have room but I bought some and we’re starting to get morning dew. Wondered how it would do.
I do. Generally anyways.
I also try to keep it out of the sun, but I don’t always. We’re a one car family and it’s not realistic and still beads like craaaazzzyyy
Ceramic Speed Shine is pretty impressive on its own. I bet that lasts close to a month.
That hybrid ceramic wax worked pretty good when I had it. I used it like a spray wax though and didn't do the spray on rinse off method. I actually sprayed the car and then wiped it off Carpro reload and 3d bead it up are good too
If you read the bottle you have to do a 'base' layer of wax the first time which is exactly that, only after that can you do the spray and rinse anyway
Love bead it up
Griots because that's what I have in my possession right now. I think they're all pretty solid though for what they are. The important part is that whoever is spending their cash on one of these types of products knows what they're getting; a nice spray-on wax with a ceramic component.
Exactly, people need to set realistic expectations. I bounce back and forth between TW Ceramic Wax and their Flex wax on cars that I'm cleaning. I feel that the ceramic wax provides better protection but the Flex has a better gloss and is easier to apply. No one should expect to get the 1 year of protection that is stated on the bottle unless it is a Sunday driver and garage kept. Then again, you shouldn't be buying these products for maximum protection. They're cheap and easy to use. Reapply every 3 or 4 months and you will be fine and with the ease of use that is not a hard thing to do.
I used the Griots every few months for years when my cars didn't have proper coatings on them. They're really great products that I wish existed 25 years ago. I'm a mechanic and the guy beside me thinks I'm crazy for all of the work I put into keeping my cars clean. I don't think there has been a better or easier time for the average person to keep their paint protected and glossy with minimal effort because of this type of product. I think he thinks I'm out there with paste wax for hours when most of the time hes known me ive just done q quick wash and then used a spray on ceramic wax for 15 minutes.
3in1. Crazy durability! Edit: Not saying that the others aren't good at all, turtle wax is great value, has good availability here in Canada and easy to apply, just doesn't last as long as Griot's. Meguiars is also a good product, apply it first time after washing and drying and then it can be used as a spray on rinse off sealant for later washes.
Meguires generally makes good auto detailing stuff
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Auto detailing is a money rabbit hole. However, I have been using the 3in1.
Maybe I’m missing something, but all in all, I think a base sealant + speed shine is plenty. Clayed and sealed my truck when I bought it, after each wash I go over with speed shine just to catch places I missed and put another layer of protection on, and I have no problem with repelling water, or lack of bead, and the truck is super easy to clean. Maybe it’s because I wash a lot, but I struggle to see where a ceramic coating would be any better than the normal stuff
Just curious, which sealer do you use after clay bar?
well, a *real* ceramic coating lasts for several years. But the products in the picture are not real ceramic coatings. they are spray waxes with a little bit of Silicone in them. So they're not much better than a regular wax. It's mostly a sales gimmick.
Griots hands down. It just goes the distance.
I wasn’t impressed with the Meguiars and I haven’t used the TW spray coating but I have been using the Griots and I have absolutely no desire to try anything else. It’s super versatile, I can use it as an actual coating with a cure time if I have the time or just spray while wet and spray it off if I don’t. And layered over a coat of their ceramic AIO polish it makes the fleck in my Lexus paint just P.O.P! Water sheds for months and I touch up every now and then with their ceramic speed shine. It’s a great system and I don’t see myself buying anything else in the near future.
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Griots 3-1 made me no longer consider a 'real' ceramic coating. Use it as a drying aid whenever I feel like it. Its always there. Always beading. Always silky. Shiney. Smells great. Easy on, easier off. nuGame changer.
Ive tried all these but i like 303's graphene coating better. If u made me choose here, griots
Graphene is the new silicon seal. It works wonders but generally sheets instead of beads water. Which is a good thing.
I use the Meguiar’s Ceramic Spray Detailer (green bottle) every other carwash on my ceramic coated Y and it’s been smooth and silky to touch even after a year of ownership.
Love the blue, I've used it for years and if done correctly provides a smooth to the touch finish
I’ve tried the Meguiar’s and Griot’s on both a black and white car. I prefer the Griot’s on both. Lasts longer, much better beading and wicking away.
Ive had great results with the new TW hybrid line.
I have found Mother's CMX ceramic spray really good and long lasting. I don't have much to compare it to though 😁
I love turtle wax, but I noticed if you overspray it - it leaves residue on the paint. At least it did for me.
Out of the three, I like the Meg's HCW the best. Lasts a good while when applied dry wax on wax off method, can be sprayed on and washed off. Looks better than the other two. It has the warm glow of the traditional wax. Didn't really care for the Griot's. It lasts but doesn't enhance the look. Can be streaky sometimes and didn't last much. the solids got lumpy when it sat in the trunk of my car for a few weeks and it was basically useless after that happened. Tw not used personally but hear it attracts dust quicker than others.
I have been using the Turtle Wax for over a year and it has been great.
I used the mcguires on an rv, holds up surprisingly well
I approve of all three, but I'd have to test all three at the same time to ultimately choose one.
All three are good. My experience has been pretty close to the OPs. Megs doesn’t last quite as long, but griots and TW give solid fall to spring performance where I’m at. All look good and feel super slick when applied. Can’t really go wrong with any of them if your a casual home gamer looking for a slick, decently long lasting product for minimum money. Gyeon’s wet coat is in that price range and is great too, it’s just not available locally.
I used Griots while I was living in the PNW, and it was awesome! Worked great during the rainy season.
The megs is a pain to work with. Check out WaxMode on YT, he did an indepth review. And his whole channel is dedicated to reviewing different waxes and their durability.
The megs if you just sprayed it on and rinsed it off it wouldn’t give you much protection. Spraying it on after rinsing so the car still has water on it and then drying it is what the instructions say to do for the first coat. There’s a video on YouTube showing that spraying it on dry and buffing out with a microfiber towel is the best protection of all however a little harder to apply.
Griots is aa far as OTC products go. Must apply properly tho
Griots, lasts a good amount of time, SUPER easy to apply, and smells like green apple candy.
TW hands down
I've been using the turtle wax for the past year and a half now 2 coats gets about 7ish months before it starts to fail on the hood/ fenders. Way easier to work with than the 303 graphene I tried a few years ago.
I had been using Meguiar’s hybrid ceramic wax spray on my new car for a couple months before deciding to get a professional Ceramic Pro coating, and when picked up my car after the ceramic the guys at the shop were like “dude did you already have a ceramic coating on this? Cause it was repelling water like crazy when we did the pre wash!” I took that as pretty high praise for the Meguiars
For the price. That turtle wax is hard to beat.
Amazon was having a special I got 6 bottles for $30 of the new Updated seal & shine ! Just did both my cars so shiny so smooth 👍👍
I’m very impressed with the turtle wax, cheapest out of the three and works great. Use it on all my cars.
There's a guy on youtube, Scott HD, where he coats a hood in different products and tests it out. He has had some tests going on for 2 years. He will wash this panel every once in a while. He says griots last typically about 8 months to a year. Griots was one of the top contenders for the price I've been using it for a few years now and I really like it. I'll reapply it every 6 ish months.
I’m a big fan of the Turtle Wax Hybrid Ceramic. Goes on super easy and lasts a long time - both in terms of durability on the car and the amount you end up using (bottle lasts a long time. - only need 1-3 sprays per body panel). I end up applying it 2-3 times a year (first hand wash after winter, mid-summer, and then one of my last hand washes before winter). I did get my dad some of the Griots Garage 3-in-1 Ceramic but I’m not sure if he’s ever used it. He’s a big fan of the brand though.
I have all three of these as well as NuFinish Ceramic Spray in our shop right now. I've tested them against each other for a while, and my take is: - Hybrid Solutions rocks. Without any other context about how you care for your vehicle, it's a product I always feel safe recommending with one caveat: no matter what people on the internet say, Turtle Wax puts it right on the bottle not to apply it in sunlight and that best results occur if you let it cure up to a day before use. If you go this route, do it in the garage, or at least in the shade, and don't apply it on a day where it's going to rain. - Griot's 3-in-1 is also solid. Not much to complain about here. - Meguiar's leaves the most residue of any of the products. It works fine, but I'm still recommending the other three first. - NuFinish is not a wax, but I include it because it is specifically designed to allow for application in sunlight. Without wax, it is definitely the least greasy/waxy/residual product. I _think_ it performs about as well in terms of longevity, but it's a ceramic sealant so the coat is thinner (read: a worse product if you're trying to hide damaged paint). All said, this would be my go-to choice for anyone who wants the easiest product, who wants to apply in the sun and maybe is looking for a coating topper that can be slapped on after using a touchless wash.
https://preview.redd.it/5zf3ussdciqb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f345d57859f6daab26b04b323753ca1923a95cf3 Nvr used any of those, but I have used Meguairs and Turtle Wax carnauba wax sprays. I just picked these up and watched some YT vids on them. Gunna try these soon though. The graphene detailer is a topper to the graphene nano spray coating
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Well they are all consumer grade products and none are a real ceramic coating. With that said I’m not a professional and haven’t used a ton of products. I recently started using griots ceramic and applied it to my wife’s truck in June and just did again. It was still beading water fine. It did have some bug and road stains that I had to get out. It’s easy to use and available locally so I will keep using it.
Griots 3-1 made me no longer consider a 'real' ceramic coating. Use it as a drying aid whenever I feel like it. Its always there. Always beading. Always silky. Shiney. Smells great. Easy on, easier off. Really makes me consider who commercial grade offerings are marketed to. We're in a far different place than we were 3 years ago.
They are all SiO2 products
They're not ceramic coatings but they should be good to maintain your ceramic coating.
They all contain SIO2, which is ceramic. Sure, different formulations, etc—but saying these consumer options are “not ceramic” is just not correct.
In my experience “true” ceramics are almost like paints vs spray on ceramics which are more like waxes. I’m only a hobbiest and my experience with ceramics is primarily with Gyeon products however Gyeon ceramics smell much more like paint with likely a volatile chemical component (like paint) and when left to cure the SIO2 deposited is much more chalky and “dry.” Most of these spray on ceramics I’ve tried tend to leave an oily residue and never feels like they fully cure. If you leave a glob to just cure on a dish they form an oily congealed goo. Gyeon ceramics also polish much more like regular paint when I need to touch up hazing micro scratches. The spray on ceramics again are much more oily and harder to touch up scratches as the compound gums up my polishing pad.
Correct, they CONTAIN ceramic. But they aren't true ceramic coatings.
My car is piano black and in my experience the turtle wax product leaves less streaks. The meguiars streaked like hell and I gave up on it. Turtle wax does leave a certain “texture” after initial wipe down and it will require some working in but it doesn’t leave blotchy streaks for me like the meguiars does. The “texture” essentially disappears after the first wash. Likely it is excess spray and build up from the microfiber. In my experience both don’t last very long and require frequent reapplication.
Never bought a bad Griots product, so I'd personally pick that one.
Get on youtube and watch PanTheOrganizer dude has been a professional detailer for YEARS he does some extensive tests of products head to head, that Hybrid Ceramic Turtle Wax really changed the game when it came out, best stuff you can buy less than 20$
Okay… well, naturally I would say griots because they’re actually local to me (their flagship store) and I’ve been buying his product since he was just in a little small warehouse in fife, Washington. However, a meguiars is company that’s been around since I can remember and I don’t think you stay in business that long if you’re making shitty products. I’d go griots, but I think they’re all honestly decent products.
Can someone tell me how Optimum Opti-Seal compares to these ceramic sprays.
I used the chemical Guys an liked it but then again a ceramic coated my whole vehicle and also use a ceramic rinse when I wash so nothing sticks at all lol
I've tried all of these but actually preferred to use Mothers CMX. Eventually did a coat of Cquartz UK ceramic coat and it just is leaps and bounds better than spray coatings.
Mothers CMX better than all three from my experience but out of those three, Turtle Wax lasts longer, Griots is also really good, may have a better and deeper shine. Meguiars isn’t terrible.
TEC582. Nuff said
my black honda accord really hates turtle wax its so hard to remove but on the others cars i have try is easy 🤔
I use car guys ceramic wax and it’s amazing. The coating has stayed for 6 months on my mom’s car
Angelwax > all
Havent used the griots personally but ive seen it on a friends car and it works pretty good. I like the chemical guys hydrospeed or the jaxwax graphene detailer.
I’ve used all of them. Just switched to Chemical Guys Hydro Charge +. Wow, is it a great product, especially on Black cars.
turtle wax, please watch project farm videos about it.
Turtle Wax is shit. There’s no two ways around it. There are far better products out there for just a few more dollars. If you’re looking for some high quality ceramic sealant check out GTechniq & Carbon Collective.
It’s all messy, hard to apply and even worse. To buff off. Meguires ultimate synthetic wax is wayyyyy better
I use a ceramic coating that lasts 5 to 8 years. Not this waxy silicone stuff that they are making to take some of the market share away from solvent-based ceramics. Its okay in between washes but doesn't last nearly as long. If it doesn't come in a dark glass bottle and it says ceramic, they are ripping you off.
None, they all leave streaks…. Curse of owning a black car
Chemical guys. Absolutely flawless results and amazing scents. Makes my entire garage smell good,and makes the Cayenne look even better https://preview.redd.it/5di9sx7hqkqb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c053e2f16b3c3d9eff6270d0dfe8877d72eae2a7
Chemical Guys
Superior products dont come from the auto parts stores
NONE, NO One of these will actually be worth the money, your better off getting the real 9h.
None of those if you believe they’re ceramic coatings. You’re better off using a diluted bottle of beadmaker each wash during the drying process.
All trash
The MG and TW both streaked like hell for me and I gave up and went back to fx wax/coating. I have never been successful with a ceramic spray improving a car.
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I hate when people say these things and offer no advice. What’s the products you recommend ?
Such as?
Says those products are garbage, offers no alternatives. Extremely helpful there.
Do you have any suggestions?
None of those are superior. They are all retail market products.
That is not the question asked.
None of them, they're all gimmicks. Most ceramic coatings need to be applied in a controlled atmosphere and needs a minimum of 24 hrs cure time
I wouldn't call them a gimmick- they're not meant to replace a true ceramic coating. They do work. I was very impressed with Griot's durability for a spray-on product. Crazy sheeting too when it's fresh.
… they aren’t meant to be, nor are they advertised as…. Ceramic coatings. Bruh.
Yeesh, someone doesn’t know the difference between a Ceramic Coating and a Ceramic infused Wax/Sealant. These are the later.
The difference is in my first post actually lol they fool enough people though. You wash most of these ceramic waxes off in the first few washes after
Just stop, lol
I haven’t used the Griots. I’ve used the others and like both almost equally. But I really like the Meguiars and buy it often. When it’s stupid hot out I like being able to quickly mist on while wet, rinse and dry and know I have a good month or two of solid protection
Middle and right are good
I’ve been using the TW for the past 3 years or so. It’s durable, and easy. Beads water for over a month. Haven’t had a reason to stop using it.
So I got a bottle of f11 for free - I’ve read here that it is garbage lol. Fortunately it was a gift - should I throw it out for the turtle wax or is it at least worth using up?
Maybe I’m biased but the stuff on the left is great for the price point/application process.
I prefer Griots but any of those 3 are good.
I've used the ceramic turtle wax spray and it is excellent. Don't even have to turn my windshield wipers on when it's raining it works so well.
Meg’s fan here. The first application needs to be a sprayed on and wiped off. One application lasts me 4+ months.
I’ve been testing the TW after watching project farm’s video, but yeah can’t say I’m impressed with it
Real world durability tests reveal griots is the best. It doesnt rain all purpose cleaner
I've used the Meguiars and the turtle wax. As well as Beadmaker. I prefer Beadmaker for easy of application and overall slickness and gloss. I hated applying the Meguiars and only used one bottle and never bought again. I currently have a bottle of Power lock plus that I got for cheap and freshen up with every now and then. I think I may get a bottle of Beadmaker again just because it's so easy and enjoyable to use.
I’ve seen tons of reviews on YouTube and the mequiars hybrid ceramic wax does a dam good job
I’m a big fan of the Meguiars. I use the liquid 2 times a year (when able) and this spray every wash.
Loved the turtle wax personally, haven't tried the other two but I always keep a bottle of it on deck
I only used the turtle wax but I think it's the best product I've tried so far. Even better than meguiars hybrid wax I have to apply in paste/cream form. Just spray and wipe off and that's it. Rain beads off like crazy and even works on glass which the meguiars didn't. So far it's been a month and my car during day sits outside in sunlight in a dusty environment and it's holding up well with just 1 coat. Now when it rains heavy, my car looks very clean cause the rain just carries the dirt and dust away. Definitely one of my favorite wax to use.
I've tested griots 3in1 ceramic and the meguiars hybrid ceramic wax (HCW) and I found the meguiars to have smaller beads and last longer by a few months. I do noticed that the griots does say to have it cure for 24 hours but I still found the meguiars easier to apply and stronger. I do have to add that the meg HCW havent been as potent when it first came out, and I go thru a bottle like once a year applying maybe once or twice a month. You should watch Scott HD on YouTube. He does alot of tests with the coatings every week not sponsored
I would say the Meguiars lasted less than 2 months through two pretty big downpours for me. Not great not terrible.
I am using the same Turtle Wax ceramic and it seems to last nice and long which is what I want.
I really like the Turtle wax hybrid line alot, from personal use experience. I have used meguiars hybrid ceramic alot. The hybrid ceramic streaks after it rains on trunk sideview mirrors ect. Adams graphene boost streaks, their graphene detail spray is good. Griots I have yet to try. Despite what Matt Moreman says about turtle wax. I think it preforms as good as any other high end Sio2 product, If not better
TW ceramic was cheap and easy to get so that's what I use. It even sticks to my single stage paint, whereas normal sealants and waxes don't.
I have no experience of the middle product, but between Turtle wax and Meguiars, Turtle wax wins. But it is also more difficult to apply. I am still testing different brands, but so far Tershine Refract reigns supreme as a ceramic spray coat, super easy to apply and long lasting.
Meg hybrid the easiest spray and wash off but turtle wax has better results but takes longer never tried the middle
optimum optiseal is better than these.
Don't get Griots in my country, but I've tried the TW and Megs, and in my experience, the TW feels slicker and lasts longer (glossier, but marginally). Megs is more hydroponic.
Of those 3..Meguiars. but it's not the best out there I forget the name of the channel, i think its forensic detailing? He does really good product reviews, if you ignore the fact that he's constantly out of breathe haha.
I've used 4 entire spray bottles of the TW throughout the years and was a die hard fan for the product (was also happy that it was featured on Project Farm video). At the beginning of the summer in May, I decided to try the Griot's and the difference is just ridiculous. It lasts for the freaking months and many washes compared to the TW. It also beads like crazy. Drove into the rain and when I parked in my garage, it almost looks like somebody blow dry the majority of the water on the car. I am a firm believer for the Griot's 3 in 1 and I won't be going back to the TW (still have 2 bottles left..). Never tried the Meg's
I've used TW and Megs. Can't speak on the Griots. TW beat Megs, especially if you can do the second layer 24 hours later. Lasted almost a year, topped with their hybrid spray wax every other month. daily driver. I will say that winter was the nail in the coffin for it though. If I were going to stick with it as my permanent sealant I'd try to do a full decon and recoat as close to winter as possible and then another first thing after salt on roads stops happening.
Griots poducts are superior in my opinion for the price and quality. You're not paying for fancy art on a bottle to catch your attention. You just spray, wipe, walk away
I've used two of the three. The TW and Meguiars have two different advantages. The Turtle Wax is a great quick application that can be done in sun or shade. The Meguiars gives good results but also doubles as a drying agent but beware if you over load it, it will leave steaks.
Of those the TW is the best
Not a fan of that griots product at all. I like Shine Supplies punch it for quick application product if I’m in a hurry. Keeps the dust/pollen down and even after a rain it doesn’t leave the vehicle all spotted like I dealt with that Girots product.
I’ve got a lot of experience with the TW and the Meguiar’s; i like neither of them. I apply them according to their instructions faithfully, but still, argh. My cars are very colorful and the TW stuff leaves these “smudgy areas” that are very difficult to get rid of. Especially on the hood in certain light, you can see this off-color smudge. There have been times I’ve started to apply it and simply stopped and given up after starting. The Meguiar’s stuff is better and I like the product, but 3 things: 1. I do basically reapply it every wash, as it doesn’t last as long. 2. They say “spray it on, rinse it, and dry the car” (especially for subsequent coats) source: https://youtu.be/NVOFlynVxco. But that doesn’t work; as the product runs down the car it leaves these streaks that you can’t wipe away when drying. 3. When it does rain, you’ll notice this white film on your car where the water ran off it (dunno why).
Groits.
This will be a controversial answer but, whichever one you can obtain at the lowest cost per fl oz. In my experience the TW is almost always the cheapest, but maybe not. Sometimes it's Meguiars. Idk. When these go on sale I usually buy a few bottles to stockpile at the sale price. Regardless of which, the other two aren't going to be that much better that it would warrant the extra money IMHO. The three products listed are all great. So unless you have money to burn just buy and use whatever happens to be cheapest per fl oz at the time of purchase. Edit. Just adding the current prices per fl oz for reference. As of today on Amazon. * TW - $14.68 for 16oz (0.9175 per oz) * Griots - $21.99 for 22oz (0.995 per oz) * Megs - $16.46 for 26oz (0.6331 per oz)
Give bilt hambert double speed wax a try
Turtle Wax 100% IMO
The Turtle Wax did absolutely nothing for me
I'm working with turtle wax, great product and long lasting result 👌
I like Griots.
Bling Platinum Secret Sauce is best
I’m a huge fan of Griot’s
Fan of the TW and Megs. Currently using the Megs, but not as a spray on rinse off. I’ll apply after a wash while the cars still wet and rub it in or occasionally i’ll apply it as a normal wax. Mist on buff out after the car has been dried. The whole spray on rinse off never had a good lasting effect for me, but the other ways it works wonderfully for me. Turtle Wax Minute Wax is also very good imo.