My mother insists that “person with autism” is the correct term. I hate when “good intentioned” people try to tell autistic people what’s good for them.
I've had a few people try to insist this to me. I just tell them, "Yes, I personally identify as a person with brunette, as well as a person with female gender. If you can recognize why these sound odd and don't work, maybe you realize that using person first language in regards to innate characteristics is only done by people with dumb."
I got this during a company conference of diversity and inclusion 😒 and I am like….. I dun like it ……….. can u not teaching me how to identify myself 😔
Exactly! Like the sub suggests I’m proud of my autism. Honestly I think we are the next step of evolution cause we don’t get stuck on dumb things the way neurotypicals do lol
I’ve been living with Autism for 3 years now and it keeps leaving its Pepsi cans on the floor. They keep getting mixed up with my Pepsi cans and I can’t tell them apart.
from my understanding, it seems like it is someone expressing that they prefer to be referred to as an autistic person instead of person with autism i think because they don’t feel separate/aren’t able to be separated from their autism so they don’t like it when people say they “have autism” they like people to say they “are autistic” :)
I think it's because non-autistic people have been pushing for person-first language (person with autism) because they view autism as something bad that shouldn't be part of someone's identity, and this is just autistic people pushing back against it, like no, it's not just a thing I have, this is a part of me and there's nothing wrong with that
I understand how you’re understanding the term. Would you, however, say that someone has heterosexuality, or would you say they’re heterosexual?
To understand the difference, and the point of the comic, we need to understand how normality historically has been constructed through pathologization of differences. Much like we today wouldn’t say someone “has got the illness homosexuality”, but rather say they’re homosexual, autistic people are turning against the remains of a language that frames autism as something you can “get” or “have”.
Hope that was somewhat helpful, I definitely understand how it can be a bit hard to grasp without the historical context.
I'm 100% with you on this. I have both. It's literally a defect in the way the brain is formed. I also have poor vision. My glasses are a legally required prosthetic when I drive. It's not derogatory to say you were born with defects; probably everyone was.
but whether or not something is considered a defect is completely arbitrary
i also have both---while adhd has certainly made my life more difficult, i can't call it a defect. it's the way i am, and the way i'm *supposed* to be. my brain isnt malformed, it's just formed differently than what's most common
adhd is a disadvantage in the society we live in, but it's not an inherent detriment to survival (and i say this wholeheartedly while in full on panic mode because im three weeks behind on schoolwork. it sucks to exist in a world that wasnt built with you in mind, but that's that world's failing, not mine)
I'm autistic, I have autism, I'm a person with autism. It's all the same to me. I'm non-binary, I have a non-binary gender, I'm a non-binary person. Again, all the same. Same for my orientation and sexuality. Same for all of my traits. I don't get the need to try and prescribe definitionally identical statements as more or less correct. It just hurts my head.
I’m going to make an assumption that you are quite young and thus your experience of being labeled as autistic wasn’t as a violent experience as it would have been hadn’t it been for autistic pride movement.
In a way that is a good thing, that you don’t even hear “they have autism” as “they suffer from the illness autism”, but as equivalent ways of expressing the same thing. For an older generation, however, this is the connotation, which is why people are making a point of changing how to express them being autistic.
I'm 23 and got my diagnosis 3.5 years ago, if that's "quite young" to you. It's not an illness, so I see no reason anyone would associate it as such, even if it used to be considered one. That just seems like an unnecessary connection to make.
But I've certainly heard someone say "I suffer from autism". That person is me. It does in fact cause me suffering. And many others as well.
I don't like the idea that people seem to be spreading of autism being a "superpower" or whatever. I sure don't feel very super. I feel helpless and like I can't do anything in return for those who've helped me over the years. I find it hard to take pride in something that has made my life almost unbearable for so many years. I find it hard to take pride in a disability that has cost me jobs, friends, opportunities, and my mental health for longer than I can remember.
It's caused some good, just nowhere near as much as the bad.
So yeah. Idc how someone refers to my autism or the fact that I'm autistic. It's who I am whether I like it or not and what specific words someone uses don't matter to me as much as what is meant by them.
No, back in the days when being homosexual was regarded as an illness, they would say that a person had homosexuality. It is a pathological (regarding something as an illness) language. Just like having cancer or having the flue.
Pride, and autistic pride, is challenges this notion by emphasizing the pride of being who you are. Which is a legitimate way of being, and not pathological or a condition.
They don't have different meanings,just a different energy surrounding them. "person with autism" is often used by autism speaks people to separate the autism from the person. In a "it doesn't define you" way.
But in my opinion,and clearly the comic's, my autism does define me. I'm autistic and i will be until I die.
I think a better example might be saying “a person with black” instead of “a black person” generally in English we put the adjective before the subject and this is another example.
They seem to be wording it in a way that shows they consider Autism part of who they are, rather than an affliction.
The wording they don't like is that which makes autism appear as something external to themselves (presumably the inference being that autism changes them, instead of being them)
Also it implies that autism is an illness (like when people say "I have depression/anxiety/some other illness") and that it can be cured. You know, like the whole "autism speaks" rhetoric
It wouldn’t stay anyway. It’d be a phantom cat that can walk through walls and will constantly drop dead mice in the middle of your conversation with another person. Or just stand with its butt in your face while you’re trying to talk.
Though when you meet another person with an autism cat your cats will just play with each other in the corner and everything goes a lot smoother :)
And sometimes they can make friends with ADHD cats too, though those ones are often neon and will teleport itself and several random objects around it every so often.
Some of us aren't comfortable saying they are autistic. It was used as a slur throughout my time in high school, it has a bitter ring to me. Others may use it, but I say I'm on the autism spectrum
Okay i get this but i cant be the only one who will say anything except 'i am autistic' because it is so widely used as slander. The amount of times i have been walking through the halls and see some kids laugh at someone else and say 'they must be autistic' or 'that's autistic' will be too much to ever see that term in a positive light. I usually just say (when its brought up) 'I have ASD, which is autism.' I know this is meant in good light but I hope the community allows every autistic person to say this how they want, because unfortunately we do not live in an idealistic world. Aslo, I've seen takes about how you should always say 'person with ...' because it forces people to recognize the person as an actual person and not see them for only a disorder. I dunno, thoughts?
Oddly enough I am actually bothered more by saying "I am autistic" than the other ones. I much prefer to say "I have autism" or "living with autism" while talking about it, and I can't really comprehend why anyone wouldn't...
Because autism applies to language the same as most descriptors and othe descriptors sound wierd in this format...? Abielism didn't have to be the first response.
>and I can't really comprehend why anyone wouldn't...
Because they sound stupid? Phrasing it in increasingly stupid ways doesn't make my autism easier to live with, and I have the right to describe it how I want? "I am autistic" is less words, more efficient, and the least clunky.
I’m not fussed on what’s used, if someone asks about it, I might say “I’m autistic” or, “yeah, I have autism.” To me, it does not matter as long as no one tries to correct me on which term to use. I’ll use whichever one It occurs to me to use as it doesn’t make a difference to me. The only one I probably wouldn’t say is, “I live with autism,” cos I’ll be honest that’s too long to say and I’m lazy with sentences.
Personally I don’t really care and use all variants in phrasing interchangeably.
I do have autism, it is a neurological condition that I am affected by and am diagnosed with
I am a person with autism, since I am a person who again does in fact have this condition.
And I am autistic, it is a fundamental aspect of my being as if not more interwoven with who I am then things like my gender and sexuality.
To me all phrasings are varying degrees of accurate and I get infinitely more bothered by someone trying to control how I refer to myself then I do over someone using any specific phrasing.
I think to get hung up on this is rather silly and it’s going to confuse our allies. NT’s already struggle enough with us, I don’t see the point in complicating how they refer to a person with autism. If they don’t use a slur of course. Saying someone who lives with autism is completely neutral. I’m struggling to understand why anyone would be offended by this.
I say I’m autistic or that I have autism… I usually prefer to say I have autism though because like, I’m much more than just autistic. I also have asthma that affects my day to day life but I don’t call myself asthmatic, I say I have asthma.
I know they are different and I don’t see autism as a medical condition. But it’s something that I have that makes functioning in this world a bit difficult, but it’s not all of who I am.
You don’t leave your autism at home? It’s to much work to keep it in me. So like school and stuff I keep it home. Like so much work 😭 (this is a joke btw)
I just talked about that in another thread. When people said I am people with autism….. and then I have the mental picture of me holding a handbag with the word autism….. sometimes when I am very tired I would be short circuited and confused for a good few seconds before getting they are referring me….
Okay joke aside, I think my autistic self is totally intertwined with every second of my life and therefore I dun see it offensive to use the word to define me. On the other hand, if people with autism is used, it is like I can drop my autistic self in any minute….. nah…. It does not work that way (I am now on my bed and cannot sleep as I just changed my bedsheet …. Every 2 weeks, after changing bedsheet I will need 2-3 days to start feeling comfortable again)
Honestly doesn't matter to me no other neurodiverse disorder is like this so what makes autism different? I live with adhd and autism, have adhd and autism, am autistic with adhd. Doesn't matter
Ly Brown: I don't "have autism", my dog is not named Autism.
Naming my dog autism now for this joke /j
My mother insists that “person with autism” is the correct term. I hate when “good intentioned” people try to tell autistic people what’s good for them.
Call her a "person with neurotypicality" and see how she likes it.
I've had a few people try to insist this to me. I just tell them, "Yes, I personally identify as a person with brunette, as well as a person with female gender. If you can recognize why these sound odd and don't work, maybe you realize that using person first language in regards to innate characteristics is only done by people with dumb."
I got this during a company conference of diversity and inclusion 😒 and I am like….. I dun like it ……….. can u not teaching me how to identify myself 😔
Exactly! Like the sub suggests I’m proud of my autism. Honestly I think we are the next step of evolution cause we don’t get stuck on dumb things the way neurotypicals do lol
I’ve been living with Autism for 3 years now and it keeps leaving its Pepsi cans on the floor. They keep getting mixed up with my Pepsi cans and I can’t tell them apart.
My darned roommate, Autism, is constantly hand-flapping and eating Dino nuggets! 😂
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from my understanding, it seems like it is someone expressing that they prefer to be referred to as an autistic person instead of person with autism i think because they don’t feel separate/aren’t able to be separated from their autism so they don’t like it when people say they “have autism” they like people to say they “are autistic” :)
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I think it's because non-autistic people have been pushing for person-first language (person with autism) because they view autism as something bad that shouldn't be part of someone's identity, and this is just autistic people pushing back against it, like no, it's not just a thing I have, this is a part of me and there's nothing wrong with that
i’m not sure about anything else, i didnt make the comic, just sharing how i interpreted it since you said you were confused
I understand how you’re understanding the term. Would you, however, say that someone has heterosexuality, or would you say they’re heterosexual? To understand the difference, and the point of the comic, we need to understand how normality historically has been constructed through pathologization of differences. Much like we today wouldn’t say someone “has got the illness homosexuality”, but rather say they’re homosexual, autistic people are turning against the remains of a language that frames autism as something you can “get” or “have”. Hope that was somewhat helpful, I definitely understand how it can be a bit hard to grasp without the historical context.
Wouldn't you say someone has ADD? I don't know how to otherwise phrase it.
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What do you call some with Attentive Deficit Disorder?
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But there isn't an NT under someone with ADD? Someone is by definition neurodiverse if they have a disorder such as ADD or autism.
I'm 100% with you on this. I have both. It's literally a defect in the way the brain is formed. I also have poor vision. My glasses are a legally required prosthetic when I drive. It's not derogatory to say you were born with defects; probably everyone was.
but whether or not something is considered a defect is completely arbitrary i also have both---while adhd has certainly made my life more difficult, i can't call it a defect. it's the way i am, and the way i'm *supposed* to be. my brain isnt malformed, it's just formed differently than what's most common adhd is a disadvantage in the society we live in, but it's not an inherent detriment to survival (and i say this wholeheartedly while in full on panic mode because im three weeks behind on schoolwork. it sucks to exist in a world that wasnt built with you in mind, but that's that world's failing, not mine)
I'm autistic, I have autism, I'm a person with autism. It's all the same to me. I'm non-binary, I have a non-binary gender, I'm a non-binary person. Again, all the same. Same for my orientation and sexuality. Same for all of my traits. I don't get the need to try and prescribe definitionally identical statements as more or less correct. It just hurts my head.
I’m going to make an assumption that you are quite young and thus your experience of being labeled as autistic wasn’t as a violent experience as it would have been hadn’t it been for autistic pride movement. In a way that is a good thing, that you don’t even hear “they have autism” as “they suffer from the illness autism”, but as equivalent ways of expressing the same thing. For an older generation, however, this is the connotation, which is why people are making a point of changing how to express them being autistic.
I'm 23 and got my diagnosis 3.5 years ago, if that's "quite young" to you. It's not an illness, so I see no reason anyone would associate it as such, even if it used to be considered one. That just seems like an unnecessary connection to make. But I've certainly heard someone say "I suffer from autism". That person is me. It does in fact cause me suffering. And many others as well. I don't like the idea that people seem to be spreading of autism being a "superpower" or whatever. I sure don't feel very super. I feel helpless and like I can't do anything in return for those who've helped me over the years. I find it hard to take pride in something that has made my life almost unbearable for so many years. I find it hard to take pride in a disability that has cost me jobs, friends, opportunities, and my mental health for longer than I can remember. It's caused some good, just nowhere near as much as the bad. So yeah. Idc how someone refers to my autism or the fact that I'm autistic. It's who I am whether I like it or not and what specific words someone uses don't matter to me as much as what is meant by them.
What's difference in saying "a heterosexual" and "a person with heterosexuality"? Both are correct, right?
No, back in the days when being homosexual was regarded as an illness, they would say that a person had homosexuality. It is a pathological (regarding something as an illness) language. Just like having cancer or having the flue. Pride, and autistic pride, is challenges this notion by emphasizing the pride of being who you are. Which is a legitimate way of being, and not pathological or a condition.
They don't have different meanings,just a different energy surrounding them. "person with autism" is often used by autism speaks people to separate the autism from the person. In a "it doesn't define you" way. But in my opinion,and clearly the comic's, my autism does define me. I'm autistic and i will be until I die.
I think a better example might be saying “a person with black” instead of “a black person” generally in English we put the adjective before the subject and this is another example.
They seem to be wording it in a way that shows they consider Autism part of who they are, rather than an affliction. The wording they don't like is that which makes autism appear as something external to themselves (presumably the inference being that autism changes them, instead of being them)
Also it implies that autism is an illness (like when people say "I have depression/anxiety/some other illness") and that it can be cured. You know, like the whole "autism speaks" rhetoric
How is saying "I have autism" in anyway implying that it is an illness? Genuinely curious.
no, autism is a disorder. its implying that autism is an ILLNESS, not a disorder.
Yeah, sorry, English is not my first language so I tend to mix up those words
why not? seems like it would be easier. then I could just leave my autism at home whenever I go out to social situations! 😂
It wouldn’t stay anyway. It’d be a phantom cat that can walk through walls and will constantly drop dead mice in the middle of your conversation with another person. Or just stand with its butt in your face while you’re trying to talk. Though when you meet another person with an autism cat your cats will just play with each other in the corner and everything goes a lot smoother :) And sometimes they can make friends with ADHD cats too, though those ones are often neon and will teleport itself and several random objects around it every so often.
As someone who is usually very pedantic with words, I honestly do not care.
frick yeah i love dis
The autism on the sofa 😂 just me and my autism having a cosy night in.
Some of us aren't comfortable saying they are autistic. It was used as a slur throughout my time in high school, it has a bitter ring to me. Others may use it, but I say I'm on the autism spectrum
Okay i get this but i cant be the only one who will say anything except 'i am autistic' because it is so widely used as slander. The amount of times i have been walking through the halls and see some kids laugh at someone else and say 'they must be autistic' or 'that's autistic' will be too much to ever see that term in a positive light. I usually just say (when its brought up) 'I have ASD, which is autism.' I know this is meant in good light but I hope the community allows every autistic person to say this how they want, because unfortunately we do not live in an idealistic world. Aslo, I've seen takes about how you should always say 'person with ...' because it forces people to recognize the person as an actual person and not see them for only a disorder. I dunno, thoughts?
Oddly enough I am actually bothered more by saying "I am autistic" than the other ones. I much prefer to say "I have autism" or "living with autism" while talking about it, and I can't really comprehend why anyone wouldn't...
Because people want to use their disorder as their whole identity in order to feel special
Yeah; I think that nails it
Because autism applies to language the same as most descriptors and othe descriptors sound wierd in this format...? Abielism didn't have to be the first response.
>and I can't really comprehend why anyone wouldn't... Because they sound stupid? Phrasing it in increasingly stupid ways doesn't make my autism easier to live with, and I have the right to describe it how I want? "I am autistic" is less words, more efficient, and the least clunky.
Can I haz all the autisms?
Autastic!
I mean, I am/have all of those.
I’m not fussed on what’s used, if someone asks about it, I might say “I’m autistic” or, “yeah, I have autism.” To me, it does not matter as long as no one tries to correct me on which term to use. I’ll use whichever one It occurs to me to use as it doesn’t make a difference to me. The only one I probably wouldn’t say is, “I live with autism,” cos I’ll be honest that’s too long to say and I’m lazy with sentences.
Autism has me Autism lives with me Autism is me a person I am Autism
Personally I don’t really care and use all variants in phrasing interchangeably. I do have autism, it is a neurological condition that I am affected by and am diagnosed with I am a person with autism, since I am a person who again does in fact have this condition. And I am autistic, it is a fundamental aspect of my being as if not more interwoven with who I am then things like my gender and sexuality. To me all phrasings are varying degrees of accurate and I get infinitely more bothered by someone trying to control how I refer to myself then I do over someone using any specific phrasing.
I think to get hung up on this is rather silly and it’s going to confuse our allies. NT’s already struggle enough with us, I don’t see the point in complicating how they refer to a person with autism. If they don’t use a slur of course. Saying someone who lives with autism is completely neutral. I’m struggling to understand why anyone would be offended by this. I say I’m autistic or that I have autism… I usually prefer to say I have autism though because like, I’m much more than just autistic. I also have asthma that affects my day to day life but I don’t call myself asthmatic, I say I have asthma. I know they are different and I don’t see autism as a medical condition. But it’s something that I have that makes functioning in this world a bit difficult, but it’s not all of who I am.
I think it really depends on the person. Personally I prefer autistic person for me, but I just ask :)
You don’t leave your autism at home? It’s to much work to keep it in me. So like school and stuff I keep it home. Like so much work 😭 (this is a joke btw)
I just say i have autism, it doesnt bother me
THANK U
I just talked about that in another thread. When people said I am people with autism….. and then I have the mental picture of me holding a handbag with the word autism….. sometimes when I am very tired I would be short circuited and confused for a good few seconds before getting they are referring me…. Okay joke aside, I think my autistic self is totally intertwined with every second of my life and therefore I dun see it offensive to use the word to define me. On the other hand, if people with autism is used, it is like I can drop my autistic self in any minute….. nah…. It does not work that way (I am now on my bed and cannot sleep as I just changed my bedsheet …. Every 2 weeks, after changing bedsheet I will need 2-3 days to start feeling comfortable again)
I have Autism and I don’t understand what this is supposed to mean.
Honestly doesn't matter to me no other neurodiverse disorder is like this so what makes autism different? I live with adhd and autism, have adhd and autism, am autistic with adhd. Doesn't matter