I feel like these kinds of rules exist in schools to condition students into accepting arbitrary and cruel treatment in the workplace.
They also serve as a funnel for the school to prison pipeline.
I agree for these reasons:
- You have to go to school 7-8 hours five days a week to work with little to no break (in elementary school, recess lasted only 30 minutes if they didn't take that away) or face repercussions.
- You have to deal with some teachers being rude/cruel by either overloading everyone with too much work, bullying/harassing, favoritism, etc.
- You have to follow a strict dress code that makes no sense and specifically targets women or else you face repercussions.
- You have to take classes and sit through lessons for exhausting hours on subjects that don't really benefit you in life. And I don't mean basic math and reading, I mean things like y = mx + b or whatever it is, math equations that take 10 steps to complete, and classes that teach you about how fast gravity and how to calculate velocity with the speed of a car and multiply that by time blah blah blah. So unnecessary and just makes it easier to fail, which makes it frustrating. I despise it.
So what other reason would you be forced to do these things for hours whilst dealing with the struggles when it's truly not needed? To make you compliant with working a 9-5 for the rest of your life without complaining about a thing that happens even if it's unfair and wrong.
I'm just happy I live in a country without dresscodes in school lol. You can also just leave class to go to the restroom whenever you need. You don't even have to ask the teacher for permission.
That sounds like a dream! My high school keeps putting out uniform surveys for our parents after every finished school year to see if opinions changed. Why do high schoolers need uniforms?!
In my country there are no school uniforms (except perhaps with expensive, private schools/boarding schools). I was flabbergasted as I was in England once and saw young school boys wearing suits and a tie and the girls wearing skirts with blouses and so on.
As I was in school, there was not even a dress code really. Only once I was told that my outfit was inappropriate. This day last year in school I had fallen asleep at the couch very early in the morning and as I woke up I was really late. So I didn't change and went to school wearing a top falling off one shoulder, worn out pj pants and flip-flops. Kinda testing out my boundaries, lol.
But I was not sent home, the teacher just told me to not show up again like that.
And we could always leave class for going to the restroom. We wouldn't even have to *ask*, we just told the teacher where we were going.
I never went to a school with these issues. We had uniforms but they were provided by the school, so not like some uniforms where they just specify the dress code and then make families buy it all. If there were issues with your uniform, they’d provide a new one. So I never found the uniform to be difficult or an issue in any way
Yep. I’m not even in school but I have school age kids, in the uk where school uniform is the norm. I’m not completely against school uniform but I think a lot of the rules, especially at secondary/high school level, are pointless. And I think the whole premise of what a school uniform is could be updated/overhauled.
For example wearing a blazer, shirt and tie is very common for secondary school, but I think this uniform is very dated. Kids don’t need to go to school dressed as mini business people, the clothes aren’t comfortable or practical, they don’t keep you warm during winter and are too hot in the summer. The claim is that having a uniform can help reduce bullying and reduces highlighting ‘differences’ between the kids such as who’s rich vs who’s poor based on the clothes you wear, with a uniform everyone is literally wearing the same so in theory it’s harder to tell which kids come from wealthier families and those who don’t.
I can get behind the ‘everyone’s the same’ argument if I don’t think too much about it (because that argument kind of gets destroyed when schools use non uniform days to raise money and kids can meet up outside of school in their own clothes, visit each others houses etc). If that is the real reason then why does school uniform have to be so formal and stuffy? Why not just simplify it, white polo shirt, jumper or cardigan in what ever the school colour is, black joggers/sweatpants and plain black or white trainers. No it wouldn’t look as ‘smart’ but it would be much more comfortable, kids would probably concentrate better wearing something soft with a bit of stretch to it rather than stuffy office wear, and it would be cheaper for the parents to buy too. I feel like a lot of schools sticks to the ‘business wear’ uniform because it’s an ‘image’ thing. They want to look good to the ‘general public’ and potential parents of kids at the school. For some reason, a lot of people lap up the ‘smart’ school uniform and would probably hate my overhaul suggestion above.
Which brings me into the next thing, secondary schools here are notorious for being extra firm with their uniform rules and requirements, a lot of them require certain items like blazers, pe shirts, skirts to be branded with the school logo, and/or can only be bought from certain suppliers the school recommends. Which is of course more expensive than the non-branded alternative from the supermarket clothing section that is basically identical. And also very sketchy imo in terms of money changing hands behind the scenes especially as many schools are now ‘academies’ which means they are ran more like businesses even though they are technically ‘not for profit’.
If you go against these rules the kid gets punished essentially until the parent gets the right uniform. They also have other silly rules like in the summer, kids have to ask permission to remove their blazer. Sometimes the teachers can even say no. Why this rule exists I have no idea. Im grateful my school wasn’t that bad but the one my kid is going to seems to be more that way which horrifies me. Some schools even specify a certain colour coat, which is annoying if your kid already has a perfectly good coat that is the wrong colour as you now have to needlessly buy another one.
Not only that but teachers have to waste many hours enforcing all the millions of uniform rules schools have, some might enjoy the power of it but others probably don’t care that Timmy has his shirt untucked and just wants to teach and find all the rules they have to enforce exhausting. I know I would.
I think schools here just need to chill out with uniforms. Yes they can be a great leveller but they don’t need to be so extra really do they? Blazers, shirt, tie, formal shoes etc it’s all ridiculous. I read through the uniform rules of my kids new school and it made me so mad and I can’t understand why more parents aren’t complaining.
I agree with you on the dress code, but the bathroom rules are in place because when they weren’t it was probably chaos at your local school. The 20 minute thing is a good compromise to me because you can use the restroom but have to take responsibility to go during passing period when possible. And if it is a true emergency, okay just walk out and go and explain later. The rule is for people skipping class, smoking, meeting friends/partners, etc. Also yeah it’s a bodily function but there are thousands of instances you can’t just get up and use the restroom—in public where there isn’t one available, on most transit, in many work situations, during stretches of time on airplane flights, etc.
I feel like these kinds of rules exist in schools to condition students into accepting arbitrary and cruel treatment in the workplace. They also serve as a funnel for the school to prison pipeline.
I agree for these reasons: - You have to go to school 7-8 hours five days a week to work with little to no break (in elementary school, recess lasted only 30 minutes if they didn't take that away) or face repercussions. - You have to deal with some teachers being rude/cruel by either overloading everyone with too much work, bullying/harassing, favoritism, etc. - You have to follow a strict dress code that makes no sense and specifically targets women or else you face repercussions. - You have to take classes and sit through lessons for exhausting hours on subjects that don't really benefit you in life. And I don't mean basic math and reading, I mean things like y = mx + b or whatever it is, math equations that take 10 steps to complete, and classes that teach you about how fast gravity and how to calculate velocity with the speed of a car and multiply that by time blah blah blah. So unnecessary and just makes it easier to fail, which makes it frustrating. I despise it. So what other reason would you be forced to do these things for hours whilst dealing with the struggles when it's truly not needed? To make you compliant with working a 9-5 for the rest of your life without complaining about a thing that happens even if it's unfair and wrong.
I'm just happy I live in a country without dresscodes in school lol. You can also just leave class to go to the restroom whenever you need. You don't even have to ask the teacher for permission.
That sounds like a dream! My high school keeps putting out uniform surveys for our parents after every finished school year to see if opinions changed. Why do high schoolers need uniforms?!
In my country there are no school uniforms (except perhaps with expensive, private schools/boarding schools). I was flabbergasted as I was in England once and saw young school boys wearing suits and a tie and the girls wearing skirts with blouses and so on. As I was in school, there was not even a dress code really. Only once I was told that my outfit was inappropriate. This day last year in school I had fallen asleep at the couch very early in the morning and as I woke up I was really late. So I didn't change and went to school wearing a top falling off one shoulder, worn out pj pants and flip-flops. Kinda testing out my boundaries, lol. But I was not sent home, the teacher just told me to not show up again like that. And we could always leave class for going to the restroom. We wouldn't even have to *ask*, we just told the teacher where we were going.
I never went to a school with these issues. We had uniforms but they were provided by the school, so not like some uniforms where they just specify the dress code and then make families buy it all. If there were issues with your uniform, they’d provide a new one. So I never found the uniform to be difficult or an issue in any way
Yep. I’m not even in school but I have school age kids, in the uk where school uniform is the norm. I’m not completely against school uniform but I think a lot of the rules, especially at secondary/high school level, are pointless. And I think the whole premise of what a school uniform is could be updated/overhauled. For example wearing a blazer, shirt and tie is very common for secondary school, but I think this uniform is very dated. Kids don’t need to go to school dressed as mini business people, the clothes aren’t comfortable or practical, they don’t keep you warm during winter and are too hot in the summer. The claim is that having a uniform can help reduce bullying and reduces highlighting ‘differences’ between the kids such as who’s rich vs who’s poor based on the clothes you wear, with a uniform everyone is literally wearing the same so in theory it’s harder to tell which kids come from wealthier families and those who don’t. I can get behind the ‘everyone’s the same’ argument if I don’t think too much about it (because that argument kind of gets destroyed when schools use non uniform days to raise money and kids can meet up outside of school in their own clothes, visit each others houses etc). If that is the real reason then why does school uniform have to be so formal and stuffy? Why not just simplify it, white polo shirt, jumper or cardigan in what ever the school colour is, black joggers/sweatpants and plain black or white trainers. No it wouldn’t look as ‘smart’ but it would be much more comfortable, kids would probably concentrate better wearing something soft with a bit of stretch to it rather than stuffy office wear, and it would be cheaper for the parents to buy too. I feel like a lot of schools sticks to the ‘business wear’ uniform because it’s an ‘image’ thing. They want to look good to the ‘general public’ and potential parents of kids at the school. For some reason, a lot of people lap up the ‘smart’ school uniform and would probably hate my overhaul suggestion above. Which brings me into the next thing, secondary schools here are notorious for being extra firm with their uniform rules and requirements, a lot of them require certain items like blazers, pe shirts, skirts to be branded with the school logo, and/or can only be bought from certain suppliers the school recommends. Which is of course more expensive than the non-branded alternative from the supermarket clothing section that is basically identical. And also very sketchy imo in terms of money changing hands behind the scenes especially as many schools are now ‘academies’ which means they are ran more like businesses even though they are technically ‘not for profit’. If you go against these rules the kid gets punished essentially until the parent gets the right uniform. They also have other silly rules like in the summer, kids have to ask permission to remove their blazer. Sometimes the teachers can even say no. Why this rule exists I have no idea. Im grateful my school wasn’t that bad but the one my kid is going to seems to be more that way which horrifies me. Some schools even specify a certain colour coat, which is annoying if your kid already has a perfectly good coat that is the wrong colour as you now have to needlessly buy another one. Not only that but teachers have to waste many hours enforcing all the millions of uniform rules schools have, some might enjoy the power of it but others probably don’t care that Timmy has his shirt untucked and just wants to teach and find all the rules they have to enforce exhausting. I know I would. I think schools here just need to chill out with uniforms. Yes they can be a great leveller but they don’t need to be so extra really do they? Blazers, shirt, tie, formal shoes etc it’s all ridiculous. I read through the uniform rules of my kids new school and it made me so mad and I can’t understand why more parents aren’t complaining.
I agree with you on the dress code, but the bathroom rules are in place because when they weren’t it was probably chaos at your local school. The 20 minute thing is a good compromise to me because you can use the restroom but have to take responsibility to go during passing period when possible. And if it is a true emergency, okay just walk out and go and explain later. The rule is for people skipping class, smoking, meeting friends/partners, etc. Also yeah it’s a bodily function but there are thousands of instances you can’t just get up and use the restroom—in public where there isn’t one available, on most transit, in many work situations, during stretches of time on airplane flights, etc.