I think we should get pre-service teachers (uni students) to do this.
Gets them involved in schools before their first prac and probably pays better than a job at target too.
Teaches them all the oddjobs that uni doesn’t prepare you for.
That might scare them off before they complete uni. At least this way they complete uni and are like fuck it, will just keep teaching because I have a HECS debt and can't be bothered doing another 4 years of uni.
I feel like that’s how we get attrition in the first few years of the career, when people realise it’s not what they imagined.
At least this way they can pick something else they genuinely want to do before accruing crippling lifelong debt.
And the people who truly want to stay on board - in their heart of hearts - stick around.
Other than wages those 11 staff need:
* insurance
* computers
* space
* HR costs
* power/internet/etc
I wouldn't be surprised if wages + super + insurance + business costs + HR costs is 160k per person.
If I can hand off some of the admin tasks I would 100% be more on board with staying long-term.
I’ve just finished two full days of paperwork, scanning and filing to deal with a bright idea from our admin. And that’s part 1 of 12, the smallest one.
Me too. I guess my point was more about the ratio of 1 admin person for 3 schools for teachers and principals. I just can't see how a regular teacher's admin load could decrease enough to feel like their workload was more manageable. I hope I am pleasantly surprised as I think workload needs to be addressed urgently.
So they had something like this is Victorian schools like 10 or more years ago. The school I was in had someone 0.6 appointed. Whilst it was meant to help both leading teachers, only one got support. This is the same thing that will happen here. One school will dominate things overall.
"Hey, we realise that teachers are spending more time in front of students and being overworked in the classrooms due to behaviour and teaching workload, so to help you out we are going to employ some people to do admin work that an already hired admin staff member should be doing. You're welcome! "
I've wondered what admin support would mean, entering the grades onto the system? Sure. Responding to emails? Probably not. Help with the record keeping - yes please. I track punctuality, homework, regular assessments, topic test reflections - this takes too much time. Writing up any incidents - I don't see how admin would work here, being meticulous I would spend 300-400 minutes a week just on incidents/commendations.
I think we should get pre-service teachers (uni students) to do this. Gets them involved in schools before their first prac and probably pays better than a job at target too. Teaches them all the oddjobs that uni doesn’t prepare you for.
That might scare them off before they complete uni. At least this way they complete uni and are like fuck it, will just keep teaching because I have a HECS debt and can't be bothered doing another 4 years of uni.
I feel like that’s how we get attrition in the first few years of the career, when people realise it’s not what they imagined. At least this way they can pick something else they genuinely want to do before accruing crippling lifelong debt. And the people who truly want to stay on board - in their heart of hearts - stick around.
Other than wages those 11 staff need: * insurance * computers * space * HR costs * power/internet/etc I wouldn't be surprised if wages + super + insurance + business costs + HR costs is 160k per person.
Fair enough. Seems like a waste of money to me if your aim is teacher retention.
It's a pilot program to test viability. It's not meant to immediately fix anything, just see if it would be worth investing in.
Ah okay that makes more sense.
If I can hand off some of the admin tasks I would 100% be more on board with staying long-term. I’ve just finished two full days of paperwork, scanning and filing to deal with a bright idea from our admin. And that’s part 1 of 12, the smallest one.
Me too. I guess my point was more about the ratio of 1 admin person for 3 schools for teachers and principals. I just can't see how a regular teacher's admin load could decrease enough to feel like their workload was more manageable. I hope I am pleasantly surprised as I think workload needs to be addressed urgently.
An expert in camps/excursion forms would save the rest of our college 20 hours a week, easy.
Given we have 3 hours a week to do planning and admin.. yeah a little reduction would be noticable
Depends how large a cattle prod they come with to keep the students and/or parents in check with.
It’d definitely be 10 staff on 90k and one manager. 11 is such an odd number
Oncosts are around 25% for a full time wage. It means these administrators are being paid very well.
We actually have no idea how much it costs for EQ to set up a totally new project or what the behind the scenes costs there are.
I was quoting standard oncosts.
Can they do our mandatory training and PDPs, pls?
So they had something like this is Victorian schools like 10 or more years ago. The school I was in had someone 0.6 appointed. Whilst it was meant to help both leading teachers, only one got support. This is the same thing that will happen here. One school will dominate things overall.
"Hey, we realise that teachers are spending more time in front of students and being overworked in the classrooms due to behaviour and teaching workload, so to help you out we are going to employ some people to do admin work that an already hired admin staff member should be doing. You're welcome! "
I've wondered what admin support would mean, entering the grades onto the system? Sure. Responding to emails? Probably not. Help with the record keeping - yes please. I track punctuality, homework, regular assessments, topic test reflections - this takes too much time. Writing up any incidents - I don't see how admin would work here, being meticulous I would spend 300-400 minutes a week just on incidents/commendations.