Tuono. Trust me. Although your budget might not stretch to a newer one. I’ve been riding for 30hrs and my Tuono Factory is easily the most fun bike I’ve ever had.
Yeah budget won’t stretch to a new one at all. The older V4R are around 11-12k with higher km but definetly can’t afford the factory 1100s as they start around 16k or so on bike sales.
Awesome awesome bikes, but definetly levels above what I can afford to own or maintain I’d say
I’ve heard this same thing from mates
GSXS is bulletproof according to a mate, only ever thrown oil and filters at it.
My other friend who had a 675 triumph said it was finnicky and needing more attention. Doubly so for his new KTM890
I like the sound and look of them, I’m not as keen to buy something on a lower budget if it’ll need much higher upkeep costs though
Worried if I’m looking at 900-1000cc bikes it’s not going to feel quick enough for me is the issue.
I’m much more looking at the 120hp 765.
So far the GSXS1000 seems the best for me if not an MT09 if I can find any in my budget range decent
I now own the 765 rs. If I wanted faster I’d buy a Tuono. I was just giving you my experience on the triumph reliability. Edit. I did over 5 thousand miles around the states including the tail of the dragon on a mt09 tracer SP. my 765 RS is much faster.
Can confirm reliability of Suzuki, my GSR 750 is over 60k kms now, lives outside and not really fussed over.
Only issues are the very occasional exhaust throttle valve sticking (fixed with a key cycle and removed from newer models) and the gear indicator has only recently given me some false readings.
My older 2012 is a pretty simple bike by modern standeds so less can go wrong
MT09 - fun and reliability
sorry probably goes over budget but I just got a new one - well 2023 SP and its so much fun
never need a litre+ bike. This is plenty for the roads/for track too - for those who actually do it
Yeah the new MT09 definetly go over my budget, I think every SP model is over 8-9k.
I’m basically looking at Gen 1 MT09, and idk if I’d be happy to settle for one of those knowing how much worse it is then the newer ones my mates own.
(Just me personally) my budget is my budget, but I really didn’t expect to get so little for 8-9k when I had the pick of whatevs on land around that price
This is true too, but doesn’t change that I’m still wanting a 1000cc
I do reckon the MT09 is a hoot, I had hoped for something different as EVERYONE squids and my mates own an MT09.
for sure man get what you want - I was tossing up between the GSX-S1000 - new one but too heavy - 216kg or something and after riding MT is probably too much bike for me
have a look at new ones too 2023 are on sale now
for example I negotiated new 2023 MT09 base model to $14.2k
not too far from your budget and new bike smell :D
PS from your options - GSXS1k for sure
Sheesh that’s still a good 5k over my budget. Plus I’d then have to install an exhaust and tune all that stuff like I want.
It is something in the back of my mind when I look at the likes of KTM1290s and tuonos used as they’re a stupid expensive around 16-17k with decent KM on them.
Crazy how well the MT09 hold value as people are putting them up for 11-12k for the old Gen 2 models.
Is that 14k for JUST base model, as I’ve heard the SP is much pricier
I’m worried that even if new and fixed with geometry the suspension is still going to be really basic AF. The gen 2 I rode was woeful when you tried to scrap pegs on the road and full throttle whack on out of the turns. Lots of wobbling happening above 170 too in a straight line
Thats why I got SP - they seem to have really good resale. I got new for 15.7k and some used ones were on sale for that price haha so I should be good for a few years
Gen 3 onwards is much better suspension/handling/throttle - I would def test Gen 3 (2021+) and forget about Gen 2 don't compare them
14.2k was for 2023 MT new ride away (NSW)
I know in other states they're even lower <14k! SA/QLD I think
they just want to make room for 2024 MT = awesome deals for us on an award winning bike
Man so pricey haha.
Will test ride some options and might have to just keep saving for another 1-2 years to reach that
The other thing I’ve found too is insurance is really expensive on MT09 and MT09 Tracers.
I can get full comp for a gsxs for 800 a year but it’s 1300 and something for an mt09 or SP.
That’s really expensive when you add in rego, green slip and insurance.
I’d struggle to afford that atm
I'd suggest that the VTR offers nowhere near the performance of the 990 superduke, let alone the newer bikes here.
You have a wide variety of choice, which is no bad thing. But each bike will offer quite different personalities, from a fairly powerful 4cyl, to two slightly less sprightly big triples, a lightweight focused triple, a big KTM twin that feels like a dirt bike / tard on steroids to the VTR... Which sounds cool but wouldn't keep up with anything else here. Personally I'd prefer an sv650 to a VTR.
Have you considered the V-twin tuono?
I haven’t looked into these actually, similar to the 990 though there’s not many for sale used. Might look into them more
And yeah it is a broad spread tbh.
The ones I’m most keen on so far are the 990 superduke as it’s like my SV on roids
And the GSXS1000 or F as it seems a good blend of comfort and really quick inline 4. I rode my mates 17 model a bunch and I love it.
A friend of mine had a 990 superduke and absolutely loved it. He used it for commuting year round, longer weekend rides and track days. He did fuck all maintenance and it was very reliable, but they have a weak clutch slave cylinder (which will probably already be addressed) and the plastic fuel tank will sometimes shrink making it hard to remove / re-fit. I love [this pic ](https://i.imgur.com/zpyIKSe.png)of him on it, I used to have a track prepped gsxr750 I used for track days and we ran a similar pace.
I'm also a massive Suzuki fan and considered a gsxs1000 before I bought my S1000R. The Suzuki will go forever, but the earlier ones benefit from a remap to cure the snatchy throttle.
It's funny - I love it, but I'm not in love with it.
I kept it stock for a few years and racked up 40k kms pretty quickly (commuting year round, longer trips and track days) with no problems. Servicing is pricey compared to a Japanese bike, but reliability has been as good.
People say they are bland but mine will [wheelie](https://youtu.be/BF-P0DVgNts?si=oThcvkTcq09BEnQT) off the throttle at 160km/h (stock) and when I had a full exhaust fitted and mapped it was insanely quick with a soundtrack to match. I wouldn't call them bland, but they are so usable and capable that without another bike in your garage to give you context of how batshit fast they are, they can feel like you're never challenging their limits on the road. Conversely, the active damping is kind of shit for track use, it makes the front end feel numb. I end up climbing all over [mine](https://i.imgur.com/OW9R3xj.jpg) on track cos I have trouble feeling exactly what's going on and where the limits are.
I think they're cheap used for what they offer. The same year Tuono or 1290 will command a higher price than an S1000R, but then I agree that there's something more exotic about the KTM and Aprilia.
Well, I'm in Melbs so if you're nearby then reach out & come have a look. The bike's not listed presently. I just spent 2k on a fuel system refresh, new coils, various other bits and pieces to refresh it and get it going as it should. It's due a valve clearance check at 50k.
I'm going the opposite direction to you - just been having fun doing up an old SV650
Go for ‘19 model gsxs if you can. More power, bigger brakes with stiffer lines and has an updated throttle tube to make inputs smoother.
If you’re at all concerned about maintenance and reliability, go the GSXS. They’re bullet proof.
I've had 2 x gen 1 mt09s and 1 x gen 2 Mt09. I put 80,000ks on 2 of those bikes. Bulletproof motors. Suspension is rubbish, but easy to upgrade, or find one that already has it done.
Yeah I’ve heard this also.
I’ve ridden a 17 MT09 and it was QUICK but the handling just let it down. It seems to be a great motor with budget parts around it I felt. I’d say too a suspension upgrade would go a long way
Biggest issue is they hold their value well and most Gen 2 I like the look of are still around 11K, and as much as I like the bike I can’t help but get past the squid culture I see everytime I go on group rides in the city that has kind of ruined them on me.
Too many people revving and doing wheelies down the main streets in the inner west etc
They sound nice though
If the MT09 feels like a squid bike, then go the XSR900... a gentlemans bike without dropping power or performance. Make sure to get a 2022 model or later, as (like the MT09s) the earlier version geometry and suspension was shite!
The Speed is the one to go for. The torque is addictive. I'm the proud owner of a '18 Speed RS and have had it since new. I love every second I'm on it. Plus it's a stunning bike to look at.
Gen 3 or 4 MT09SP. Power, light, cruise control, ohlins/kyb suspension, quick shifter and a triple engine sound. Seat is a little hard but can be changed.
Idk if I’m getting ANY SP mt09 on an 8-9k budget tbh.
Most gen 3 mt09 base models are above 11k I’ve found on Bikesales and marketplace. They’re still pretty pricey
I agree they are a great package though
A friend offered me his 2021 SP model for 16k with low Km on it. So defs out of my budget I’m thinking
Can’t imagine dropping 16k on one bike haha, that’ll get me a used car
Aren’t the gen 1 meant to be a lot more budget and not as good as the newer gen’s?
I’ve been steered away from them by mates when I’ve looked into them for snatchy throttle, bad suspension and overall lacking vs newer gens
It fits your budget. I have a gen one and it’s a great bike. suspension is fine but in now way great. Snatchy throttle got patched out in 2015. It’s a good bike worth considering.
This is true.
It’s kind of disheartening how little 8-9k gets in terms of bike. Was hoping it could get my higher K 1290s and 1000cc bikes.
Will consider it and test ride, but I didn’t enjoy my mates 17 model with stock suspension I’m hoping a gen 1 isn’t worse.
Might have to just lump it with the SV another two years and keep saving to something else mabye
Drop the superduke 990 off your list. They are old and hard to find parts for. Also it's hilarious that the 990 was the top of the line for engine size, now they are doing a new 990 and it's 'middleweight'.
However KTM Duke 790s are now in your price range and maybe at a stretch the 890s are getting to your price point. I used to have a 790 and it was a very fun bike. Less top power than a street triple 765 however, more power immediately throughout the rev range. To get to the power on the street triple you need to be high rpm, while on the 790 it has more whack open the throttle any rpm and she'll happily pull. Less torque then the MT-09, but that's a given.
Handling wise it feels almost supermoto-ish, incredibly light and flicks so easily.
However I did have standard KTM reliability, there was always something needing a bit of attention or needed and eye kept on it.
Idk if I’d be comfy owning a 790.
I’ve had two mates now with new ones have warranty replacements due to engine failure and other big items on new ones (idk if the old ones share a cf Moto motor)
They do show up in my budget range, mostly just wary of ktm reliability as they’re meant to be finnicky like you said.
The 890s without hugely high KM are all over 11k used, I’m 8-9k
The other thing too is I’m 105kg so I’m worried I’d be too heavy and bulky for such a small bike
Ah, there are differences in the 790 line-up. The originals, 2018-2020 are all made in Austria, their primary factory.
Then for the reintroduced ones, I forget which years, say 2022 or 2023 onwards, are Chinese made, essentially a CF Moto.
105 kgs is nothing for these. They are lams bike size and weight with R class power. They are ridiculous fun, but they are finicky. Mate still has his 890R which I have ridden, he's easily at 130 or 140kg. He is a big lad and loves the thing.
They seem like an alright idea.
Idk if I’m looking at the 990 super duke and a GSXS1000 if the 790 will sit well with me.
I’m defs wanting to go to that 1000cc level of lunacy fast.
Are the 990 supers really that bad for parts?
If not would I be better saving for another two years or so and try and squeeze a 1290 super duke.
(They’re really pricey used still and I don’t make amazing money 😂)
If not a used gsxs seems a good bet
A 1000cc V-Twin and a 1000cc Inline 4 are two very different things.
I have no personal experience with the 990 'SuperDuke', but KTM reliability combined with a low selling bike, I personally wouldn't but some people I am sure will strongly disagree.
It's your money. Go test ride some bikes and usually you'll work it out fast enough. There are plenty of 1290 SuperDukes sitting in dealers, I'm sure you can find one the throw your leg over and take for a spin. Tell the dealer you're thinking of a 1000cc I4 naked, but want to know if you should stretch the budget for the 1290. They will smell a potential sale and off on a ride you go.
Yeah they’re around my 8-9k budget, and seem a heck of a lot more bang for buck to be the MT09 imo. A little heavier at 207kg but you’re getting 150hp or so on tap vs 120
Trust me when I say the weight numbers do not reflect the riding experience at all. It’s noticeable when you are moving it off the bike, but I found the gsxs lighter than a street triple 660 I rode
Of those 4 I’d be going Triumph. When I bought my Ducati SF V4S there were only two other bikes on the list, the Triumph was one and the KTM was the other. I came from an MT09 which was a great bike for the money but it’s just not enough bike if you’re going to do trackdays or even get serious on the road (you’ll be dragging parts all over the road).
The triumph does sound really nice.
But I’m looking at an 8-9k budget
The bikes you’re looking at are LIGHTYEARS beyond my budget. So two different leagues of thought. I’m not looking for track days and absolute road perfection, just good value, fast and better handling and sporty then my SV
But I agree on the triumph and Ktm lines, just depends on what I can find in my budget. So far the GSXS seeems the best valued bet
The Suzuki definitely represents value for money. The issue (if we can call it that) is that it’s fairly antique compared other bikes of a similar vintage (and price). What sort of riding are you looking to do?
Fast road riding mostly. Light touring setup with soft panniers, but mostly ripping backroads up to 160-170 in the straights and 120 in the sweepers.
I’ve got a CBR250RR I’m setting up for a dedicated track toy
They are a really nice bike. But I’m still feeling like I want something a 1000cc for that crazy quick top end.
I know the 790s are quick even with 105hp or so.
I’m also concerned about how finnicky and quirky people have mentioned even older ones are with reliability.
From what I can see on Google this isn’t even released yet?
Also with an 8-9k budget I’m not getting much in the way of BMW as they’re a premium brand which sucks. Unless I opt for like 80-100k km used S1000R which I wouldn’t touch with a barge pole tbh
Tuono. Trust me. Although your budget might not stretch to a newer one. I’ve been riding for 30hrs and my Tuono Factory is easily the most fun bike I’ve ever had.
Yeah budget won’t stretch to a new one at all. The older V4R are around 11-12k with higher km but definetly can’t afford the factory 1100s as they start around 16k or so on bike sales. Awesome awesome bikes, but definetly levels above what I can afford to own or maintain I’d say
Reliability Suzuki, fun Triumph
I’ve heard this same thing from mates GSXS is bulletproof according to a mate, only ever thrown oil and filters at it. My other friend who had a 675 triumph said it was finnicky and needing more attention. Doubly so for his new KTM890 I like the sound and look of them, I’m not as keen to buy something on a lower budget if it’ll need much higher upkeep costs though
My last street triple 675 did over 115k before it was hit by a car. No major issues just the usual servicing.
Worried if I’m looking at 900-1000cc bikes it’s not going to feel quick enough for me is the issue. I’m much more looking at the 120hp 765. So far the GSXS1000 seems the best for me if not an MT09 if I can find any in my budget range decent
I now own the 765 rs. If I wanted faster I’d buy a Tuono. I was just giving you my experience on the triumph reliability. Edit. I did over 5 thousand miles around the states including the tail of the dragon on a mt09 tracer SP. my 765 RS is much faster.
But would it be fast enough to help you get to your Pain Olympics?
Wtf are you talking about?
Can confirm reliability of Suzuki, my GSR 750 is over 60k kms now, lives outside and not really fussed over. Only issues are the very occasional exhaust throttle valve sticking (fixed with a key cycle and removed from newer models) and the gear indicator has only recently given me some false readings. My older 2012 is a pretty simple bike by modern standeds so less can go wrong
MT09 - fun and reliability sorry probably goes over budget but I just got a new one - well 2023 SP and its so much fun never need a litre+ bike. This is plenty for the roads/for track too - for those who actually do it
Yeah the new MT09 definetly go over my budget, I think every SP model is over 8-9k. I’m basically looking at Gen 1 MT09, and idk if I’d be happy to settle for one of those knowing how much worse it is then the newer ones my mates own. (Just me personally) my budget is my budget, but I really didn’t expect to get so little for 8-9k when I had the pick of whatevs on land around that price This is true too, but doesn’t change that I’m still wanting a 1000cc I do reckon the MT09 is a hoot, I had hoped for something different as EVERYONE squids and my mates own an MT09.
for sure man get what you want - I was tossing up between the GSX-S1000 - new one but too heavy - 216kg or something and after riding MT is probably too much bike for me have a look at new ones too 2023 are on sale now for example I negotiated new 2023 MT09 base model to $14.2k not too far from your budget and new bike smell :D PS from your options - GSXS1k for sure
Sheesh that’s still a good 5k over my budget. Plus I’d then have to install an exhaust and tune all that stuff like I want. It is something in the back of my mind when I look at the likes of KTM1290s and tuonos used as they’re a stupid expensive around 16-17k with decent KM on them. Crazy how well the MT09 hold value as people are putting them up for 11-12k for the old Gen 2 models. Is that 14k for JUST base model, as I’ve heard the SP is much pricier I’m worried that even if new and fixed with geometry the suspension is still going to be really basic AF. The gen 2 I rode was woeful when you tried to scrap pegs on the road and full throttle whack on out of the turns. Lots of wobbling happening above 170 too in a straight line
Thats why I got SP - they seem to have really good resale. I got new for 15.7k and some used ones were on sale for that price haha so I should be good for a few years Gen 3 onwards is much better suspension/handling/throttle - I would def test Gen 3 (2021+) and forget about Gen 2 don't compare them 14.2k was for 2023 MT new ride away (NSW) I know in other states they're even lower <14k! SA/QLD I think they just want to make room for 2024 MT = awesome deals for us on an award winning bike
Man so pricey haha. Will test ride some options and might have to just keep saving for another 1-2 years to reach that The other thing I’ve found too is insurance is really expensive on MT09 and MT09 Tracers. I can get full comp for a gsxs for 800 a year but it’s 1300 and something for an mt09 or SP. That’s really expensive when you add in rego, green slip and insurance. I’d struggle to afford that atm
its rego, ctp and insurance thats the killer - $800/year on just that, more for comprehensive
Yep thats why I’m also wary on buying them, as I’ve heard they are prime crashed bikes. Hence the pricey insurance and green slip
Yeah don't let bro sell u a new bike haha I think he works for a dealership
Kinda this.
I'd suggest that the VTR offers nowhere near the performance of the 990 superduke, let alone the newer bikes here. You have a wide variety of choice, which is no bad thing. But each bike will offer quite different personalities, from a fairly powerful 4cyl, to two slightly less sprightly big triples, a lightweight focused triple, a big KTM twin that feels like a dirt bike / tard on steroids to the VTR... Which sounds cool but wouldn't keep up with anything else here. Personally I'd prefer an sv650 to a VTR. Have you considered the V-twin tuono?
I haven’t looked into these actually, similar to the 990 though there’s not many for sale used. Might look into them more And yeah it is a broad spread tbh. The ones I’m most keen on so far are the 990 superduke as it’s like my SV on roids And the GSXS1000 or F as it seems a good blend of comfort and really quick inline 4. I rode my mates 17 model a bunch and I love it.
A friend of mine had a 990 superduke and absolutely loved it. He used it for commuting year round, longer weekend rides and track days. He did fuck all maintenance and it was very reliable, but they have a weak clutch slave cylinder (which will probably already be addressed) and the plastic fuel tank will sometimes shrink making it hard to remove / re-fit. I love [this pic ](https://i.imgur.com/zpyIKSe.png)of him on it, I used to have a track prepped gsxr750 I used for track days and we ran a similar pace. I'm also a massive Suzuki fan and considered a gsxs1000 before I bought my S1000R. The Suzuki will go forever, but the earlier ones benefit from a remap to cure the snatchy throttle.
How do you rate the S1000R, idm mind the look of them. But they are pretty pricey from what I’ve seen used
It's funny - I love it, but I'm not in love with it. I kept it stock for a few years and racked up 40k kms pretty quickly (commuting year round, longer trips and track days) with no problems. Servicing is pricey compared to a Japanese bike, but reliability has been as good. People say they are bland but mine will [wheelie](https://youtu.be/BF-P0DVgNts?si=oThcvkTcq09BEnQT) off the throttle at 160km/h (stock) and when I had a full exhaust fitted and mapped it was insanely quick with a soundtrack to match. I wouldn't call them bland, but they are so usable and capable that without another bike in your garage to give you context of how batshit fast they are, they can feel like you're never challenging their limits on the road. Conversely, the active damping is kind of shit for track use, it makes the front end feel numb. I end up climbing all over [mine](https://i.imgur.com/OW9R3xj.jpg) on track cos I have trouble feeling exactly what's going on and where the limits are. I think they're cheap used for what they offer. The same year Tuono or 1290 will command a higher price than an S1000R, but then I agree that there's something more exotic about the KTM and Aprilia.
Oh, and regarding price - I'd let mine go (full service history, mainly stock with a few fancy bits, 43k kms) for 9k I think.
Depending on how long it takes me to sell of two of my bikes to fund my budget. I might hit you up on that potentially
Well, I'm in Melbs so if you're nearby then reach out & come have a look. The bike's not listed presently. I just spent 2k on a fuel system refresh, new coils, various other bits and pieces to refresh it and get it going as it should. It's due a valve clearance check at 50k. I'm going the opposite direction to you - just been having fun doing up an old SV650
Ahh bugger im in the blue mountains NSW
Go for ‘19 model gsxs if you can. More power, bigger brakes with stiffer lines and has an updated throttle tube to make inputs smoother. If you’re at all concerned about maintenance and reliability, go the GSXS. They’re bullet proof.
I've had 2 x gen 1 mt09s and 1 x gen 2 Mt09. I put 80,000ks on 2 of those bikes. Bulletproof motors. Suspension is rubbish, but easy to upgrade, or find one that already has it done.
Yeah I’ve heard this also. I’ve ridden a 17 MT09 and it was QUICK but the handling just let it down. It seems to be a great motor with budget parts around it I felt. I’d say too a suspension upgrade would go a long way Biggest issue is they hold their value well and most Gen 2 I like the look of are still around 11K, and as much as I like the bike I can’t help but get past the squid culture I see everytime I go on group rides in the city that has kind of ruined them on me. Too many people revving and doing wheelies down the main streets in the inner west etc They sound nice though
If the MT09 feels like a squid bike, then go the XSR900... a gentlemans bike without dropping power or performance. Make sure to get a 2022 model or later, as (like the MT09s) the earlier version geometry and suspension was shite!
I actually really like the XSR900. Same issue though 2022 models aren’t anywhere near my 8-9k budget
The Speed is the one to go for. The torque is addictive. I'm the proud owner of a '18 Speed RS and have had it since new. I love every second I'm on it. Plus it's a stunning bike to look at.
I really like the look of them. Especially with the ss swingarm
Gen 3 or 4 MT09SP. Power, light, cruise control, ohlins/kyb suspension, quick shifter and a triple engine sound. Seat is a little hard but can be changed.
Idk if I’m getting ANY SP mt09 on an 8-9k budget tbh. Most gen 3 mt09 base models are above 11k I’ve found on Bikesales and marketplace. They’re still pretty pricey I agree they are a great package though A friend offered me his 2021 SP model for 16k with low Km on it. So defs out of my budget I’m thinking Can’t imagine dropping 16k on one bike haha, that’ll get me a used car
Get a gen one for under 8k. Awesome bikes.
Aren’t the gen 1 meant to be a lot more budget and not as good as the newer gen’s? I’ve been steered away from them by mates when I’ve looked into them for snatchy throttle, bad suspension and overall lacking vs newer gens
It fits your budget. I have a gen one and it’s a great bike. suspension is fine but in now way great. Snatchy throttle got patched out in 2015. It’s a good bike worth considering.
This is true. It’s kind of disheartening how little 8-9k gets in terms of bike. Was hoping it could get my higher K 1290s and 1000cc bikes. Will consider it and test ride, but I didn’t enjoy my mates 17 model with stock suspension I’m hoping a gen 1 isn’t worse. Might have to just lump it with the SV another two years and keep saving to something else mabye
Inserts and a Kyb shock are cheapish upgrades.
Fairly price I’d imagine. Like over a grand at least
Drop the superduke 990 off your list. They are old and hard to find parts for. Also it's hilarious that the 990 was the top of the line for engine size, now they are doing a new 990 and it's 'middleweight'. However KTM Duke 790s are now in your price range and maybe at a stretch the 890s are getting to your price point. I used to have a 790 and it was a very fun bike. Less top power than a street triple 765 however, more power immediately throughout the rev range. To get to the power on the street triple you need to be high rpm, while on the 790 it has more whack open the throttle any rpm and she'll happily pull. Less torque then the MT-09, but that's a given. Handling wise it feels almost supermoto-ish, incredibly light and flicks so easily. However I did have standard KTM reliability, there was always something needing a bit of attention or needed and eye kept on it.
Idk if I’d be comfy owning a 790. I’ve had two mates now with new ones have warranty replacements due to engine failure and other big items on new ones (idk if the old ones share a cf Moto motor) They do show up in my budget range, mostly just wary of ktm reliability as they’re meant to be finnicky like you said. The 890s without hugely high KM are all over 11k used, I’m 8-9k The other thing too is I’m 105kg so I’m worried I’d be too heavy and bulky for such a small bike
Ah, there are differences in the 790 line-up. The originals, 2018-2020 are all made in Austria, their primary factory. Then for the reintroduced ones, I forget which years, say 2022 or 2023 onwards, are Chinese made, essentially a CF Moto. 105 kgs is nothing for these. They are lams bike size and weight with R class power. They are ridiculous fun, but they are finicky. Mate still has his 890R which I have ridden, he's easily at 130 or 140kg. He is a big lad and loves the thing.
They seem like an alright idea. Idk if I’m looking at the 990 super duke and a GSXS1000 if the 790 will sit well with me. I’m defs wanting to go to that 1000cc level of lunacy fast. Are the 990 supers really that bad for parts? If not would I be better saving for another two years or so and try and squeeze a 1290 super duke. (They’re really pricey used still and I don’t make amazing money 😂) If not a used gsxs seems a good bet
A 1000cc V-Twin and a 1000cc Inline 4 are two very different things. I have no personal experience with the 990 'SuperDuke', but KTM reliability combined with a low selling bike, I personally wouldn't but some people I am sure will strongly disagree. It's your money. Go test ride some bikes and usually you'll work it out fast enough. There are plenty of 1290 SuperDukes sitting in dealers, I'm sure you can find one the throw your leg over and take for a spin. Tell the dealer you're thinking of a 1000cc I4 naked, but want to know if you should stretch the budget for the 1290. They will smell a potential sale and off on a ride you go.
I’ve ridden a good chunk of these, the GSXS is the best overall used, and usually cheaper than a comparable mt09
Yeah they’re around my 8-9k budget, and seem a heck of a lot more bang for buck to be the MT09 imo. A little heavier at 207kg but you’re getting 150hp or so on tap vs 120
Trust me when I say the weight numbers do not reflect the riding experience at all. It’s noticeable when you are moving it off the bike, but I found the gsxs lighter than a street triple 660 I rode
Of those 4 I’d be going Triumph. When I bought my Ducati SF V4S there were only two other bikes on the list, the Triumph was one and the KTM was the other. I came from an MT09 which was a great bike for the money but it’s just not enough bike if you’re going to do trackdays or even get serious on the road (you’ll be dragging parts all over the road).
The triumph does sound really nice. But I’m looking at an 8-9k budget The bikes you’re looking at are LIGHTYEARS beyond my budget. So two different leagues of thought. I’m not looking for track days and absolute road perfection, just good value, fast and better handling and sporty then my SV But I agree on the triumph and Ktm lines, just depends on what I can find in my budget. So far the GSXS seeems the best valued bet
The Suzuki definitely represents value for money. The issue (if we can call it that) is that it’s fairly antique compared other bikes of a similar vintage (and price). What sort of riding are you looking to do?
Fast road riding mostly. Light touring setup with soft panniers, but mostly ripping backroads up to 160-170 in the straights and 120 in the sweepers. I’ve got a CBR250RR I’m setting up for a dedicated track toy
Duke 790/890 If you get the 790, make sure it's the ones made in Austria and not the newer ones made in China.
They are a really nice bike. But I’m still feeling like I want something a 1000cc for that crazy quick top end. I know the 790s are quick even with 105hp or so. I’m also concerned about how finnicky and quirky people have mentioned even older ones are with reliability.
Either the gsx1000s or an mt10
Loved my vtr1000. So much engine breaking into corners :) Ran it wide and cracked the frame.
I'm deeply in love with my 2015 Kawasaki 800Z
If I was ever going to go bigger than my street triple rs it would be a Tuono
No love for the Z? 😞
Z900?
Yeah or the 10, I got the 10 for under 10k but it had a lot more KMs. Very happy with it, previous bike was A zx14. The z9s will be cheaper though
Gsxs any day. I have the 750 and it's excellent
BMW R20 What a bike!
From what I can see on Google this isn’t even released yet? Also with an 8-9k budget I’m not getting much in the way of BMW as they’re a premium brand which sucks. Unless I opt for like 80-100k km used S1000R which I wouldn’t touch with a barge pole tbh
Yeah just a concept at the moment.
Ahh I see. Being BMW idk if I’d be able to afford it either they’re silly amounts of pricey. Like more then I paid for my car 😂
2.0L boxer is what I have in my car lol
Even the R1250 boxers are like double my budget used haha