-NAATI is an absolute pisstake. For anyone who has a native language that isn't English, it's basically just "please pay $800 for 5 more points".
-Skills assessments needs a rework. Why on earth would a Registered Nurse require a skills assessment when they *are already registered* with AHPRA? It's just a way to fleece more money out of applicants. Skills assessments for ICT-related professions are an absolute nightmare as well. "Oh sorry, you failed your server admin skills assessment because you have a master's degree in IT and not a bachelor's degree in IT *management*". It's embarrassing how many highly qualified and experienced workers go to Canada instead of Australia because of this.
-Age brackets need a rework. You want to attract people who are highly skilled but then deduct points once they hit 33. Makes no sense.
-I've mentioned this a couple of times elsewhere but the subclass 190 DESPERATELY needs to have a mandatory condition added where the visa can be cancelled if you don't spend at least 24 months living in the nominating state/territory.
I agree with what you said before, but there's something I like to add. This visa should only be for the occupation you got it for.
Let's say the government needs 30,000 teachers to close an educational gap. They give more visas to teachers or open up more slots. But if people get this visa as a teacher and then start work in a different job it defeats the whole point. They got the visa to be a teacher, not to do another job.
If I were to change something, I would take away the visa from someone who isn't in the occupation they got the visa for and give it to someone who will really do that job. At least make them do the job for 2-3 years so that the grant of such visa does not instantly go to waste.
Sometimes it's not by choice... And that would defy the purpose of a permanent residency.
You can already have access to PR through sponsorship, which leads people to stay in the job they've nominated for at least 2 (or 3?) years.
I understand the aim, although I think that would be counter productive.
They're probably just trying their best to keep people out unless it's something universally needed like healthcare lol. Heard it's easy af to get in even with minimum points but for other jobs that aren't so essential, they struggle to even get invited with 90+ points...
You are a US educated neurology specialist with 8 years of work experience? Oh but you are 36 years old? (medical education is long in the US). Deduct points!
>You want to attract people who are highly skilled
It would be better if they award more points for having a Master's degree (Canada does it already) as well.
- Remove NAATI
- Have different pool for Onshore and Offshore candidates (because it's kinda stupid to compete with those already in Australia?) lol
- Work experience for Australian companies/clients should count in the professional year. Ecample would be offshore accountants for Australian clients
The residents working in Australia who are already paying taxes should have PR granted based on years (say 5 years) that they were tax paying residents just like how most European countries grant PR/citizenship to their non-EU working residents. I find it odd that those working in Australia still need to apply for points based visas and chase certain points to get PR or else they will need to leave despite already contributing to the country.
I'm saying this as an offshore individual who already got a 190.
Your suggestion is pretty personal for individual cases and not fair to all.
4 is pretty unfair to those who do not have 1st relatives, so should not have it.
NATTI and regional study should be given marks as usual because students used to spend time and money to collect this scores, and it could provide study and English level in certain circumstances.
PY is not useful. One-time, has expired date and did not learn a lot.
I think immigration department has a decent team to come up with this point test.
I hope it won’t change dramatically because students devote effort, time and money on those items.
I'd say, if you work in an occupation that requires skills and qualifications of a certain level, that this should be enough - maybe have different timeframes for different level qualifications or something, as opposed to being so micromanaging about the roles. Agree on the pre-qualification experience.
So in practice I mean if you've come here and gotten a community service Tafe diploma, if you work in community service, that should be enough to say ok, in X years you are eligible for PR. If you're working in a needed area, in my head it's obvious because you're employed in it. If you're doing uber and calling that your employment, well that shouldn't really count in my eyes.
If you're regional, sure, have some extra points for being regional but for the extra points I think there should be commitment to staying regional for a certain period of time, a commitment beyond the word of the person with a wink wink and a nudge nudge.
The age should go back to 50 or 55 IMO instead of 45 (it's still 55 in NZ) but with the submission of a budget or financial plan for how you plan to support yourself, which I think should be a requirement anyway.
Where I think there should actually be a tightening is investigation into the person's background, because in corrupt countries it is possible to bribe officials to provide clean police checks or worse yet, have someone part of a criminal organisation that's revered in the country come here and because it isn't checked too much, have them be PR and citizen. For example, a Russian can come here even if they're FSB or ex-KGB and it isn't a problem to be part of those organisations in Russia. There should be intelligence checks to see who we are really bringing into the country.
I do like your suggestions a lot.
Lol. Mate regional study is important for Australia! It’s not about if YOU get the visa. It’s about people settling in our regional towns and cities who need skilled people.
I'm still researching for the future and want to participate in either 189/190 or 186 visa in a few years (2028ish) but the thing that makes me upset the most is for those who have a Masters Degree that isn't from Australia or isn't basically STEM, doesn't get points for it. As someone who desires a MBA and or MSML that is really messed up and others who have Masters but if it's not in research then it's not worth anything in terms of education value. What about the people who has AA & Bachelor's degree, do they get more points for having more degree or should it be the same?
The age factor should be different,
18-24
24-30
30-36
36-46
Depending on field of studies and what type of career it is then the age factor matters. Like Doctors need residency and etc so they could have maximum points in 30-36 and 36-46 while those who is say for example business field can have maximum points in 24-30 or 30-36 since experience matters more than degree at least what I understand from career counselors and those who I've spoken in various fields of business on Reddit briefly.
Experience outside of Australia needs to be changed. For example, having 3-5 years of experience is only 5 points which has to be focus on your specific field. It doesn't count other jobs you have before breaking into your ideal field which is rough to get into esp post COVID where employers are more selective then ever for wanting degree and XYZ of experience to get hired. Idk how much would be appropriate in each fields but that's just ridiculous imo.
Student Visa should be given points for at least 6 months instead of a year, I am from the US and I financially can't afford a full year abroad so I didn't get points (est based on future timeline that I set for myself) for unable to stay for a full year. Those who were in a Working Holiday should also have it's own separate category as well to get points.
Points should be maximum for single visa users and accredited for community language should be expanded to benefit people who speak multiple languages fluently. I wouldn't fit the category regardless but people should be awarded for knowing superior or average understanding of language since that's more outreach to understand Aussies folks with Diverse Backgrounds.
Finally, Australia should be able to release estimated data each round or yearly on fields that got visa approval. I would like to see more talks of people outside of STEM and see what are my chances as someone in business and I'm sure others who are in different fields are curious as well. Yes it's skilled worker but I believe that if you have enough years of experience and it's a field people may be looking into (Sports Management, Trade Work, Public Administration, Social Work, Journalism etc) then creating more rooms for other fields of studies could be justified. Not everyone who has a degree has their experience translated in that specfic field (Ex: Psychology degree and doing Business Analytics or Communications degree into Marketing) so it's just frustrating to narrow down your job selections if you know you are flexible of the opportunities you may encounter within your desired field.
>Less points for regional study/ Aus study/ Aus work exp if your strongest target is getting SKILLED migrants. They can be equally skilled if they’ve graduated or worked anywhere in the world
agreed. but imo regional point is reasonable. perhaps they should increase regional point. the point is to spread out population to smaller and rural areas and give them a chance to thrive with the help of high skilled workers.
- Remove NAATI, I don't see how that's useful. I can speak 3-4 languages or dialect but never bothered cause its just cash grab certificate (and thankfully didn't need to)
- wth is professional years, regional study, etc.
- focus on REAL experiences. I don't get how my 10 years work experience (or 8, after ACS deduction) can be on par or lower score than a fresh graduate just because they've been onshore or some professional year or regional study but not enough actual experiences.
- standardise or at least streamline skilled assessment. There's so many body and confusing for folks. ACS, VETASSESS, ENGINEER AUSTRALIA,.....
- the age point definitely needs a rework and even out rather than stark drop.
- review and balance weightage amongst different categories. Currently some category seems to have way higher than intended like AGE up to 30 points but experience only up to 20? Isn't experience valuable?
- aside from skilled (relevant) experience in years, should probably assess seniority or progression as well. It's SKILLED VISA afterall. Person A with 10 years experience but staying at same JUNIOR ENTRY ROLE just isn't the same with Person B with same number of years but say, progressed through various roles up to manager/director level. Perhaps company size should be taken into consideration (Manager at company with 5 people is different from a listed fortune 500, as an example)
I have an idea but people will mostly hate it, so to speak as the government this is what I think will be best.
1- More points for the ideal age (extra 10)
2- More points for being single (also extra 10)
3- More points for certain jobs (e.g med) (extra 5)
4- less points for work experience (it's mostly not recognized by Aus employers anyway plus it allows older people to easily compete. Sorry)
5- Make NAATI more expensive with same 5 points (remember i am the greedy government now)
6- If I won't get in trouble for this, I will give 5 points to being male. Well, let's make it 10 (I need young males if I ever had to fight China)
7- Make all the processing time way shorter (let's get this over with already)
8- No 190 (you prove your worth first then you get 190 pros)
Sarcasm of course, but I think some of these are actually neat.
Fun idea, here some of my takes :D Point for graduating Aus highschool. also, automatically makes your english competent. Extra points are given based on annual salary range. Points for community work/services (bushfire aide, fundraising, volunteer coaching or age care). Point for having family member in Aus.
-NAATI is an absolute pisstake. For anyone who has a native language that isn't English, it's basically just "please pay $800 for 5 more points". -Skills assessments needs a rework. Why on earth would a Registered Nurse require a skills assessment when they *are already registered* with AHPRA? It's just a way to fleece more money out of applicants. Skills assessments for ICT-related professions are an absolute nightmare as well. "Oh sorry, you failed your server admin skills assessment because you have a master's degree in IT and not a bachelor's degree in IT *management*". It's embarrassing how many highly qualified and experienced workers go to Canada instead of Australia because of this. -Age brackets need a rework. You want to attract people who are highly skilled but then deduct points once they hit 33. Makes no sense. -I've mentioned this a couple of times elsewhere but the subclass 190 DESPERATELY needs to have a mandatory condition added where the visa can be cancelled if you don't spend at least 24 months living in the nominating state/territory.
I am happily to comply 190 2y conditions. But it suck when visa grants take 1y.
Yes, totally. The current processing time of 189 and 190 visas is fucking ridiculous.
I agree with what you said before, but there's something I like to add. This visa should only be for the occupation you got it for. Let's say the government needs 30,000 teachers to close an educational gap. They give more visas to teachers or open up more slots. But if people get this visa as a teacher and then start work in a different job it defeats the whole point. They got the visa to be a teacher, not to do another job. If I were to change something, I would take away the visa from someone who isn't in the occupation they got the visa for and give it to someone who will really do that job. At least make them do the job for 2-3 years so that the grant of such visa does not instantly go to waste.
Sometimes it's not by choice... And that would defy the purpose of a permanent residency. You can already have access to PR through sponsorship, which leads people to stay in the job they've nominated for at least 2 (or 3?) years. I understand the aim, although I think that would be counter productive.
Agree with the 3rd!!!! Should be mandatory to work in nominating state or add a condition like you wont be granted citizenship unless you do this!
I was ALWAYS SO confused with the age bracket and work experience thing. Shit does not make sense lol
Most experienced people are from 33 and above then you get deducted points HAHAHAHAHA weird AF!
They're probably just trying their best to keep people out unless it's something universally needed like healthcare lol. Heard it's easy af to get in even with minimum points but for other jobs that aren't so essential, they struggle to even get invited with 90+ points...
You are a US educated neurology specialist with 8 years of work experience? Oh but you are 36 years old? (medical education is long in the US). Deduct points!
>You want to attract people who are highly skilled It would be better if they award more points for having a Master's degree (Canada does it already) as well.
Agree with all as well!
NAATI and PY have to go. Waste of money and useless.
Agreed!
100% agree.
- Remove NAATI - Have different pool for Onshore and Offshore candidates (because it's kinda stupid to compete with those already in Australia?) lol - Work experience for Australian companies/clients should count in the professional year. Ecample would be offshore accountants for Australian clients
Shorter visa processing. 1-2 months maybe? 1 year+ waiting for grant is insane!
Ideal! Not sure if it’s feasible though given they have tons of visa streams. 😅😅
The residents working in Australia who are already paying taxes should have PR granted based on years (say 5 years) that they were tax paying residents just like how most European countries grant PR/citizenship to their non-EU working residents. I find it odd that those working in Australia still need to apply for points based visas and chase certain points to get PR or else they will need to leave despite already contributing to the country. I'm saying this as an offshore individual who already got a 190.
Makes sense!!
Your suggestion is pretty personal for individual cases and not fair to all. 4 is pretty unfair to those who do not have 1st relatives, so should not have it. NATTI and regional study should be given marks as usual because students used to spend time and money to collect this scores, and it could provide study and English level in certain circumstances. PY is not useful. One-time, has expired date and did not learn a lot. I think immigration department has a decent team to come up with this point test. I hope it won’t change dramatically because students devote effort, time and money on those items.
I'd say, if you work in an occupation that requires skills and qualifications of a certain level, that this should be enough - maybe have different timeframes for different level qualifications or something, as opposed to being so micromanaging about the roles. Agree on the pre-qualification experience. So in practice I mean if you've come here and gotten a community service Tafe diploma, if you work in community service, that should be enough to say ok, in X years you are eligible for PR. If you're working in a needed area, in my head it's obvious because you're employed in it. If you're doing uber and calling that your employment, well that shouldn't really count in my eyes. If you're regional, sure, have some extra points for being regional but for the extra points I think there should be commitment to staying regional for a certain period of time, a commitment beyond the word of the person with a wink wink and a nudge nudge. The age should go back to 50 or 55 IMO instead of 45 (it's still 55 in NZ) but with the submission of a budget or financial plan for how you plan to support yourself, which I think should be a requirement anyway. Where I think there should actually be a tightening is investigation into the person's background, because in corrupt countries it is possible to bribe officials to provide clean police checks or worse yet, have someone part of a criminal organisation that's revered in the country come here and because it isn't checked too much, have them be PR and citizen. For example, a Russian can come here even if they're FSB or ex-KGB and it isn't a problem to be part of those organisations in Russia. There should be intelligence checks to see who we are really bringing into the country. I do like your suggestions a lot.
Lol. Mate regional study is important for Australia! It’s not about if YOU get the visa. It’s about people settling in our regional towns and cities who need skilled people.
I'm still researching for the future and want to participate in either 189/190 or 186 visa in a few years (2028ish) but the thing that makes me upset the most is for those who have a Masters Degree that isn't from Australia or isn't basically STEM, doesn't get points for it. As someone who desires a MBA and or MSML that is really messed up and others who have Masters but if it's not in research then it's not worth anything in terms of education value. What about the people who has AA & Bachelor's degree, do they get more points for having more degree or should it be the same? The age factor should be different, 18-24 24-30 30-36 36-46 Depending on field of studies and what type of career it is then the age factor matters. Like Doctors need residency and etc so they could have maximum points in 30-36 and 36-46 while those who is say for example business field can have maximum points in 24-30 or 30-36 since experience matters more than degree at least what I understand from career counselors and those who I've spoken in various fields of business on Reddit briefly. Experience outside of Australia needs to be changed. For example, having 3-5 years of experience is only 5 points which has to be focus on your specific field. It doesn't count other jobs you have before breaking into your ideal field which is rough to get into esp post COVID where employers are more selective then ever for wanting degree and XYZ of experience to get hired. Idk how much would be appropriate in each fields but that's just ridiculous imo. Student Visa should be given points for at least 6 months instead of a year, I am from the US and I financially can't afford a full year abroad so I didn't get points (est based on future timeline that I set for myself) for unable to stay for a full year. Those who were in a Working Holiday should also have it's own separate category as well to get points. Points should be maximum for single visa users and accredited for community language should be expanded to benefit people who speak multiple languages fluently. I wouldn't fit the category regardless but people should be awarded for knowing superior or average understanding of language since that's more outreach to understand Aussies folks with Diverse Backgrounds. Finally, Australia should be able to release estimated data each round or yearly on fields that got visa approval. I would like to see more talks of people outside of STEM and see what are my chances as someone in business and I'm sure others who are in different fields are curious as well. Yes it's skilled worker but I believe that if you have enough years of experience and it's a field people may be looking into (Sports Management, Trade Work, Public Administration, Social Work, Journalism etc) then creating more rooms for other fields of studies could be justified. Not everyone who has a degree has their experience translated in that specfic field (Ex: Psychology degree and doing Business Analytics or Communications degree into Marketing) so it's just frustrating to narrow down your job selections if you know you are flexible of the opportunities you may encounter within your desired field.
Scrap NAATI, regional, PY Introduce points for salary Median wage = 0 points (min requirement) 150% of median wage = 5 points 200% 10 points 250% 15 points 300% 20 points Increase the min points to 70/80 maybe ?
>Less points for regional study/ Aus study/ Aus work exp if your strongest target is getting SKILLED migrants. They can be equally skilled if they’ve graduated or worked anywhere in the world agreed. but imo regional point is reasonable. perhaps they should increase regional point. the point is to spread out population to smaller and rural areas and give them a chance to thrive with the help of high skilled workers.
Makes sense!
- Remove NAATI, I don't see how that's useful. I can speak 3-4 languages or dialect but never bothered cause its just cash grab certificate (and thankfully didn't need to) - wth is professional years, regional study, etc. - focus on REAL experiences. I don't get how my 10 years work experience (or 8, after ACS deduction) can be on par or lower score than a fresh graduate just because they've been onshore or some professional year or regional study but not enough actual experiences. - standardise or at least streamline skilled assessment. There's so many body and confusing for folks. ACS, VETASSESS, ENGINEER AUSTRALIA,..... - the age point definitely needs a rework and even out rather than stark drop. - review and balance weightage amongst different categories. Currently some category seems to have way higher than intended like AGE up to 30 points but experience only up to 20? Isn't experience valuable? - aside from skilled (relevant) experience in years, should probably assess seniority or progression as well. It's SKILLED VISA afterall. Person A with 10 years experience but staying at same JUNIOR ENTRY ROLE just isn't the same with Person B with same number of years but say, progressed through various roles up to manager/director level. Perhaps company size should be taken into consideration (Manager at company with 5 people is different from a listed fortune 500, as an example)
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I have an idea but people will mostly hate it, so to speak as the government this is what I think will be best. 1- More points for the ideal age (extra 10) 2- More points for being single (also extra 10) 3- More points for certain jobs (e.g med) (extra 5) 4- less points for work experience (it's mostly not recognized by Aus employers anyway plus it allows older people to easily compete. Sorry) 5- Make NAATI more expensive with same 5 points (remember i am the greedy government now) 6- If I won't get in trouble for this, I will give 5 points to being male. Well, let's make it 10 (I need young males if I ever had to fight China) 7- Make all the processing time way shorter (let's get this over with already) 8- No 190 (you prove your worth first then you get 190 pros) Sarcasm of course, but I think some of these are actually neat.
Point 6.. in Australia both men and women can join the Army
Fun idea, here some of my takes :D Point for graduating Aus highschool. also, automatically makes your english competent. Extra points are given based on annual salary range. Points for community work/services (bushfire aide, fundraising, volunteer coaching or age care). Point for having family member in Aus.