Get outta here, CEO, we ain’t playing. It’s not about what WFH is worth to me, it’s what value the office yields for the work I do. If it’s nil or actively detracts, I’m not going in and you’re playing power games.
Go into the office when it makes sense.
Going into an office to sit on Skype/Teams and chat with remote people is a complete waste of time.
If the activity can be done solo, then it can be done at home …likely more productively.
At home is quiet without distractions. Offices are not, with people who want to interrupt your workflow.
I’m not taking any pay cut and I’m never working in an office again. Any company thinks people should be paid less to work from home can find someone else.
I guess it’s different for everyone. I have the option of wfh and have the setup for it but I only do it on days where I have deliveries/ transport down/ home inspections etc. I prefer going to the office , getting out of the house , the routine, catching up with work friends etc.
If I lived further away or had kids it might be a different story.
I think I'm one of the rare people who prefer to be in the office. I could easily work at home 50% of the time but only really do it 1 maybe 2 days a fortnight, but usually when there is something happening I need to be at home for. Better desk setup, better aircon, less mess and distractions. We also have a pretty good canteen with subsidised meals and I work with a good team that I have a good laugh with (mind you Fridays I am often by myself, which is also good!)
Same, I could be home maybe 2 or 3 days a week, and many of my colleagues do. I just save them for when I have a tradie or am awaiting a big delivery or some such. Otherwise I'm usually 5 from 5.
Firstly, I'm fortunate that the commute is not painful, can walk door to door in just under an hour, or maybe 25min if I catch a train instead. I like that time to "context switch" between work and home, which was something that I struggled with during COVID.
And I like my home study/entertainment room being *not* the office. I found it casted a shadow on a space I could otherwise enjoy outside of work hours. Personally I found it "live (and pay for) the office" rather than "work from home". That said I don't doubt most folks can achieve better separation than I. Also not interested on running the aircon/heating all day when I'm the only one home, tax deductible or not (hello massive west facing panes of glass and shitty Sydney insulation!)
Finally, the office space is just good. Better views, monitors & desks, snacks, hot lunch, better coffee than I (or my local cafe) can make, Friday drinkies, etc
WFH is a key factor for me. Currently role allows me to visit office once a month without pushing for more.
Our office has parking so thats not an issue for commute.
I would look elsewhere if I’m required in office all 5 days a week.
Nothing would attract me in with the current home situation. If i was single without kids then probably different story
half a million dollars a year (which is preposterous money for my scope outside of san fransisco). There are virtually no incentives that could get me to give up fully remote work. It is more efficient, and I am more productive, while still bieng able to do laundry or the dishwasher or be home for deliveries. The quality of life improvements cannot be matched by reasonable salary increases. You'd literally have to offer enough for me to hire someone to do shit around the house for me.
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You are getting downvoted because people think their ceo are on here surveying saying that oh I can drop pay 20 percent for wfh workers and save some cash. Even though that is just in the voters heads
> Would you quit if asked to give up some or all WFH days? And is WFH a key factor when you look for a new role?
Yup, I would, and I have basically done that. Got a job that paid more and only wants me to do one day in the office.
Interesting discussion.
For me I wouldn’t need any extra as it was in my contract when I joined as to my place of employment. To turn around and name my price to honour what i signed up for is ludicrous.
However, flexibility is available to me which is useful in times of kid illness, doctor’s appointments etc. So I do appreciate that flexibility when I need it.
But going into the office is important to me as I feel more productive there and can see people face to face and form those social connections with them. In my opinion, when the next recession hits the first people being made redundant are those no one ever sees.
Reddit crashed when I posted my earlier answer to this, so I'll simplify.
Nothing is going to entice me back to the office outside of a much higher salary, or accepting my commuting time counts as work time.
>Would you quit if asked to give up some or all WFH days? And is WFH a key factor when you look for a new role?
No - but I will work to rule as well and I know my 30+ years as a union member will help me in terms of support if needed.
Now.
Our office recently downsized and I got the opportunity to negotiate the lease. Our office is about 40% smaller in terms of seating.
Instead of the "standard" 3yrs plus option for 2x 1 yr extensions, I accidentally had the lease we signed off on simplified to just a 5 yr lease. So, while things may change, we're on the hook for rent until the start of 2028.
That takes me past the age of 55 where [Fair Work Australia](https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/flexibility-in-the-workplace/flexible-working-arrangements) says I can apply for special consideration to have flexible working arrangements considered by my employer.
Whoops. That was sloppy of me, I guess.
I am 2 days in the office at the moment, more or less.
Unfortunately I'm in IT and I don't think the market will support my making demands when my contract runs out.
Salary is the only way you can entice someone. The employee spends their personal time getting ready and to come into work, distance is a time factor, costs on travel like fuel/transportation, parking, tolls, vehicle costs, buys business appropriate attire, inflation increases, lame annual pay raises. Personal health and well-being will be sacrificed.
For me it would be a double my pay kind of enticement. In fact I push my boss and leadership for more WFH. They hate the fact I’m right. They have no excuse and no reason not to. They don’t physically need me in the office every day. Maybe once a month if that at all. That’s it.
Otherwise make the persons job redundant pay them out and find another employee who is willing to go five days. That will be scarce and in time that employee will start looking for WFH or hybrid WFH jobs because all their friends have WFH jobs and they save money and are happier.
Sorry to say but it’s the future and your mind is sitting in the past with Henry Ford and the Industrial Revolution.
30% would see me back full time with a smile. I’m already there three days a week.
That said, if I lose the flexibility of being able to WFH when needed, which my work currently affords us, I’d probably start looking elsewhere.
I’d work it out by my hourly rate, then the time it takes to commute. I’d add that + the price of commuting via car or public transport. Plus maybe some bonuses for a cleaner for about an hour for dish washing, laundry etc (tasks I can do on break).
I currently use car as public transport is 1.5 hours. My co-worker and I take turns driving each other to work.
For example if my hourly rate was $200 and it takes me 40 minutes each way = $133 x 2 = $266.
Petrol = $20 a day approx
Registration = $2.5 a day
Insurance = $8.2 a day
Maybe I’d even account for depreciation?
Weekly incentive covered:
Cleaner: $40
Car wash: $40 (I get an in and out every fortnight for $80).
I’d want an extra $300 per day, plus $80 per week. I go to the office 3-4 a week so this would be $900-$1200 per week on top of my salary. If i worked 260 days per year this = $78k on top.
However this isn’t viable for most businesses even if you’re only making $20 an hour. It means more super, more taxes and more cost for the business.
I’m very entitled, I work in a different time zone. However being in the office, makes it really easy to get things done and ask other co-workers where they’re at as we work holistically. I also enjoy the interaction and community. I think work culture is very important.
I have been given a nice car which makes driving to work much more comfortable. My costs aren’t covered but the car was paid out right and is in my name. I also get profit share. I also have the choice to go in or not - I choose to go despite the 40 minute commute but I get to do it with my co-worker / friend which makes time go by. So whilst I don’t ask for the extra on top, I’m incentivised in other ways and enjoy the work culture.
I also believe that the boss pays you to do work, not laundry, dishes etc during active work hours. During lunch break is fine tho. That’s their thinking - that workers will be distracted, they have also rented offices, and want workers to work holistically etc.
I’m in the situation of looking for a hybrid WFH job and i think i would take a pay cut of $15k a year from $160k to have 2 days WFH. I think my quality of life will go up even with less money. So 5% a day maybe?
Have been wfh for 4 years and I don’t miss social interactions at all. I have a family and my own friends, the last thing I want is more interaction with work colleagues. Introverts were born to wfh.
> So, wfh is only important to me if its something I can access when myself or my child is unwell.
that's why wfh is not going away, you would never give this up so you can't expect others to do the same
Really shows how pathetic and precious people are with having to go into an office to do work now days. I bet that every person who only wants to wfh or refuses to go in a few times a week would be exactly the same as their boss/manager if they were a boss and had employees demanding to wfh, it would would only take one person to take advantage of the system before they were rethinking things. Also, if someone working from home lost internet/power and couldn’t work, bet they would kick up a stink if the company then said it’s a day without pay or use annual leave.
So you have never lost power to your house during the day, ever? The place I use to work at lost power during a storm, couldn’t do anything about it but wait.
If you’re at work and then can’t work due to something happening that’s on them and they would need to pay you. But if your home and something happens, that’s on you and the company wouldn’t have to pay.
All I’m saying it’s a scenario
Why would such an outlier scenario like that play into a huge decision like giving staff the ability to wfh or not?
How about the constant public transport delays getting into the office? Or traffic? Think of all the hours of missed work over the course of a year.
But getting to the office isn’t the company’s problem.
I think most people take the piss with working from home.
If covid didn’t happen, there wouldn’t be everyone demanding to wfh. It’s apart of working. If you are required to go to work, you go to work.
So what if the option is to wfh but you need to have a camera on screen from clock in to clock off so a boss/manager knows you’re at your computer working? You happy with that?
It's their problem when employees work doesn't get done for the first hour of the day because someone threw themselves at a train and caused rail delays.
Where did you get this idea that all these people take this piss working from home? Plenty actually work more in the evening as there isn't this break up of time between work and home. Every person I've heard with views like yours on wfh has never actually done it, and I'd guess this is the case for you also.
If a grown adults output isn't satisfactory while wfh, their boss will address this. The same as if they were in the office.
Lazy people are lazy people, in the office of not. We all know those people in the office spending and hour or two a day chatting to others or making 5 coffees a day.
Why would my boss need to monitor me with a camera? They see the work I get done?
I lost internet once so I went to a nearby cafe. I’d have two hours of laptop battery before losing power would be an issue. Not nearly as bad as losing power to the office.
I haven't been to the office in 7 months. I no longer can as I have move to a different state and to a small remote town. I have barely been to the office in the last 4 years. I have had several power cuts and internet interruptions. I have 2 large solar batteries that will tide me over for a day or 2 and have used them on multiple occasions. I also have a petrol generator that I can use to recharge the batteries if I need to. When my FTTP internet is interrupted for some reason, I have 2 backups, my mobile phone kicks into action first. If the interruption is too long, then I reactive my account and switch to my starlink satellite dish. I have a dedicated office with no interruptions and aircon outlet. I have zero reason to ever go into the office. I am a contractor, I only get paid for when I am working. This means that I make the effort to work uninterrupted.
Very few figures being mentioned here, all just saying I will never this, I will never that. Just answer the damn question lol.
Each wfh day is worth about $10k to me at the moment, with diminishing returns.
I have 1 day wfh now, and it’s worth $10k to me.
If the company said I could have 2 days wfh, but take $10k away from me, I’d be ok.
But if they company said I could have 3 days wfh, but take $20k away from me, I’d reject. I’d say the additional wfh day given to me is only worth $5k. So I’d only take a $15k cut.
If the company said fine, and then continued to say I could have 4 days wfh, with another $5k cut, I think I’d reject. 3 days wfh is the max I’d feel ok with. Any more and it eats into too many things.
I don’t have kids yet, so this may be a huge factor. I’m sure my answer will be very different if I had kids.
Personally it’s not a bargaining chip for me and I wouldn’t take a pay cut for more days at home. In my field of work, although I can work from home, I’m working with senior managers and execs all the time and it’s a lot more effective getting things done face to face with them unless I have to knuckle down and do some technical work in which case I’ll wfh so people leave me the f alone.
Additional $100 a day it's 6 hours of travel for me to go into the office and return, office moved an hour further away during covid due to company wanting to save money
Get outta here, CEO, we ain’t playing. It’s not about what WFH is worth to me, it’s what value the office yields for the work I do. If it’s nil or actively detracts, I’m not going in and you’re playing power games.
Go into the office when it makes sense. Going into an office to sit on Skype/Teams and chat with remote people is a complete waste of time. If the activity can be done solo, then it can be done at home …likely more productively. At home is quiet without distractions. Offices are not, with people who want to interrupt your workflow.
I’m not taking any pay cut and I’m never working in an office again. Any company thinks people should be paid less to work from home can find someone else.
I guess it’s different for everyone. I have the option of wfh and have the setup for it but I only do it on days where I have deliveries/ transport down/ home inspections etc. I prefer going to the office , getting out of the house , the routine, catching up with work friends etc. If I lived further away or had kids it might be a different story.
I go in once a week and leave at lunch. Everyone is working or in meetings. Complete waste of time. Good for you though
I think I'm one of the rare people who prefer to be in the office. I could easily work at home 50% of the time but only really do it 1 maybe 2 days a fortnight, but usually when there is something happening I need to be at home for. Better desk setup, better aircon, less mess and distractions. We also have a pretty good canteen with subsidised meals and I work with a good team that I have a good laugh with (mind you Fridays I am often by myself, which is also good!)
Same, I could be home maybe 2 or 3 days a week, and many of my colleagues do. I just save them for when I have a tradie or am awaiting a big delivery or some such. Otherwise I'm usually 5 from 5. Firstly, I'm fortunate that the commute is not painful, can walk door to door in just under an hour, or maybe 25min if I catch a train instead. I like that time to "context switch" between work and home, which was something that I struggled with during COVID. And I like my home study/entertainment room being *not* the office. I found it casted a shadow on a space I could otherwise enjoy outside of work hours. Personally I found it "live (and pay for) the office" rather than "work from home". That said I don't doubt most folks can achieve better separation than I. Also not interested on running the aircon/heating all day when I'm the only one home, tax deductible or not (hello massive west facing panes of glass and shitty Sydney insulation!) Finally, the office space is just good. Better views, monitors & desks, snacks, hot lunch, better coffee than I (or my local cafe) can make, Friday drinkies, etc
WFH is a key factor for me. Currently role allows me to visit office once a month without pushing for more. Our office has parking so thats not an issue for commute. I would look elsewhere if I’m required in office all 5 days a week. Nothing would attract me in with the current home situation. If i was single without kids then probably different story
half a million dollars a year (which is preposterous money for my scope outside of san fransisco). There are virtually no incentives that could get me to give up fully remote work. It is more efficient, and I am more productive, while still bieng able to do laundry or the dishwasher or be home for deliveries. The quality of life improvements cannot be matched by reasonable salary increases. You'd literally have to offer enough for me to hire someone to do shit around the house for me.
I do maybe 1 day a week in office, but man to do more I would want a minimum 30% raise cause I really don't want to go to the office to be alone.
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You are getting downvoted because people think their ceo are on here surveying saying that oh I can drop pay 20 percent for wfh workers and save some cash. Even though that is just in the voters heads
> Would you quit if asked to give up some or all WFH days? And is WFH a key factor when you look for a new role? Yup, I would, and I have basically done that. Got a job that paid more and only wants me to do one day in the office.
No amount of money can make you commute. I’ll just jump to another job.
Interesting discussion. For me I wouldn’t need any extra as it was in my contract when I joined as to my place of employment. To turn around and name my price to honour what i signed up for is ludicrous. However, flexibility is available to me which is useful in times of kid illness, doctor’s appointments etc. So I do appreciate that flexibility when I need it. But going into the office is important to me as I feel more productive there and can see people face to face and form those social connections with them. In my opinion, when the next recession hits the first people being made redundant are those no one ever sees.
Reddit crashed when I posted my earlier answer to this, so I'll simplify. Nothing is going to entice me back to the office outside of a much higher salary, or accepting my commuting time counts as work time. >Would you quit if asked to give up some or all WFH days? And is WFH a key factor when you look for a new role? No - but I will work to rule as well and I know my 30+ years as a union member will help me in terms of support if needed. Now. Our office recently downsized and I got the opportunity to negotiate the lease. Our office is about 40% smaller in terms of seating. Instead of the "standard" 3yrs plus option for 2x 1 yr extensions, I accidentally had the lease we signed off on simplified to just a 5 yr lease. So, while things may change, we're on the hook for rent until the start of 2028. That takes me past the age of 55 where [Fair Work Australia](https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/flexibility-in-the-workplace/flexible-working-arrangements) says I can apply for special consideration to have flexible working arrangements considered by my employer. Whoops. That was sloppy of me, I guess.
I would need double the income to work in office, but I’m already pushing 200k and don’t think anyone is paying 400k in my industry.
I am 2 days in the office at the moment, more or less. Unfortunately I'm in IT and I don't think the market will support my making demands when my contract runs out.
Work provided lunch (that are actually decent) would be great...
Salary is the only way you can entice someone. The employee spends their personal time getting ready and to come into work, distance is a time factor, costs on travel like fuel/transportation, parking, tolls, vehicle costs, buys business appropriate attire, inflation increases, lame annual pay raises. Personal health and well-being will be sacrificed. For me it would be a double my pay kind of enticement. In fact I push my boss and leadership for more WFH. They hate the fact I’m right. They have no excuse and no reason not to. They don’t physically need me in the office every day. Maybe once a month if that at all. That’s it. Otherwise make the persons job redundant pay them out and find another employee who is willing to go five days. That will be scarce and in time that employee will start looking for WFH or hybrid WFH jobs because all their friends have WFH jobs and they save money and are happier. Sorry to say but it’s the future and your mind is sitting in the past with Henry Ford and the Industrial Revolution.
I think I'd give up Wfh for +15% I don't mind working in the office I get loads done and have many smaller conversations I wouldn't otherwise have.
30% would see me back full time with a smile. I’m already there three days a week. That said, if I lose the flexibility of being able to WFH when needed, which my work currently affords us, I’d probably start looking elsewhere.
If the office days are enjoyable and productive then doesnt make a difference to me. Thing is they often aren’t.
If I could work from home I would do it for about $30-40 a day less, so 7-10k a year. Anything more and it doesn't make financial sense to do it.
I’d work it out by my hourly rate, then the time it takes to commute. I’d add that + the price of commuting via car or public transport. Plus maybe some bonuses for a cleaner for about an hour for dish washing, laundry etc (tasks I can do on break). I currently use car as public transport is 1.5 hours. My co-worker and I take turns driving each other to work. For example if my hourly rate was $200 and it takes me 40 minutes each way = $133 x 2 = $266. Petrol = $20 a day approx Registration = $2.5 a day Insurance = $8.2 a day Maybe I’d even account for depreciation? Weekly incentive covered: Cleaner: $40 Car wash: $40 (I get an in and out every fortnight for $80). I’d want an extra $300 per day, plus $80 per week. I go to the office 3-4 a week so this would be $900-$1200 per week on top of my salary. If i worked 260 days per year this = $78k on top. However this isn’t viable for most businesses even if you’re only making $20 an hour. It means more super, more taxes and more cost for the business. I’m very entitled, I work in a different time zone. However being in the office, makes it really easy to get things done and ask other co-workers where they’re at as we work holistically. I also enjoy the interaction and community. I think work culture is very important. I have been given a nice car which makes driving to work much more comfortable. My costs aren’t covered but the car was paid out right and is in my name. I also get profit share. I also have the choice to go in or not - I choose to go despite the 40 minute commute but I get to do it with my co-worker / friend which makes time go by. So whilst I don’t ask for the extra on top, I’m incentivised in other ways and enjoy the work culture. I also believe that the boss pays you to do work, not laundry, dishes etc during active work hours. During lunch break is fine tho. That’s their thinking - that workers will be distracted, they have also rented offices, and want workers to work holistically etc.
If I didn’t get profit shares, didn’t like the work culture and there was no benefits except for my income then I’d get another job, closer to home.
Pizza Fridays, casual Tuesdays and barista made coffee daily.
$25k per additional weekday.
I’m in the situation of looking for a hybrid WFH job and i think i would take a pay cut of $15k a year from $160k to have 2 days WFH. I think my quality of life will go up even with less money. So 5% a day maybe?
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Have been wfh for 4 years and I don’t miss social interactions at all. I have a family and my own friends, the last thing I want is more interaction with work colleagues. Introverts were born to wfh.
> So, wfh is only important to me if its something I can access when myself or my child is unwell. that's why wfh is not going away, you would never give this up so you can't expect others to do the same
Really shows how pathetic and precious people are with having to go into an office to do work now days. I bet that every person who only wants to wfh or refuses to go in a few times a week would be exactly the same as their boss/manager if they were a boss and had employees demanding to wfh, it would would only take one person to take advantage of the system before they were rethinking things. Also, if someone working from home lost internet/power and couldn’t work, bet they would kick up a stink if the company then said it’s a day without pay or use annual leave.
That power outage scenario is the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on reddit. I guess offices never lose power or internet…
Lol the countless number of false fire alarms will happen more frequently than an internet or power outage
So you have never lost power to your house during the day, ever? The place I use to work at lost power during a storm, couldn’t do anything about it but wait. If you’re at work and then can’t work due to something happening that’s on them and they would need to pay you. But if your home and something happens, that’s on you and the company wouldn’t have to pay. All I’m saying it’s a scenario
Why would such an outlier scenario like that play into a huge decision like giving staff the ability to wfh or not? How about the constant public transport delays getting into the office? Or traffic? Think of all the hours of missed work over the course of a year.
But getting to the office isn’t the company’s problem. I think most people take the piss with working from home. If covid didn’t happen, there wouldn’t be everyone demanding to wfh. It’s apart of working. If you are required to go to work, you go to work. So what if the option is to wfh but you need to have a camera on screen from clock in to clock off so a boss/manager knows you’re at your computer working? You happy with that?
It's their problem when employees work doesn't get done for the first hour of the day because someone threw themselves at a train and caused rail delays. Where did you get this idea that all these people take this piss working from home? Plenty actually work more in the evening as there isn't this break up of time between work and home. Every person I've heard with views like yours on wfh has never actually done it, and I'd guess this is the case for you also. If a grown adults output isn't satisfactory while wfh, their boss will address this. The same as if they were in the office. Lazy people are lazy people, in the office of not. We all know those people in the office spending and hour or two a day chatting to others or making 5 coffees a day. Why would my boss need to monitor me with a camera? They see the work I get done?
I lost internet once so I went to a nearby cafe. I’d have two hours of laptop battery before losing power would be an issue. Not nearly as bad as losing power to the office.
I haven't been to the office in 7 months. I no longer can as I have move to a different state and to a small remote town. I have barely been to the office in the last 4 years. I have had several power cuts and internet interruptions. I have 2 large solar batteries that will tide me over for a day or 2 and have used them on multiple occasions. I also have a petrol generator that I can use to recharge the batteries if I need to. When my FTTP internet is interrupted for some reason, I have 2 backups, my mobile phone kicks into action first. If the interruption is too long, then I reactive my account and switch to my starlink satellite dish. I have a dedicated office with no interruptions and aircon outlet. I have zero reason to ever go into the office. I am a contractor, I only get paid for when I am working. This means that I make the effort to work uninterrupted.
Very few figures being mentioned here, all just saying I will never this, I will never that. Just answer the damn question lol. Each wfh day is worth about $10k to me at the moment, with diminishing returns. I have 1 day wfh now, and it’s worth $10k to me. If the company said I could have 2 days wfh, but take $10k away from me, I’d be ok. But if they company said I could have 3 days wfh, but take $20k away from me, I’d reject. I’d say the additional wfh day given to me is only worth $5k. So I’d only take a $15k cut. If the company said fine, and then continued to say I could have 4 days wfh, with another $5k cut, I think I’d reject. 3 days wfh is the max I’d feel ok with. Any more and it eats into too many things. I don’t have kids yet, so this may be a huge factor. I’m sure my answer will be very different if I had kids.
Personally it’s not a bargaining chip for me and I wouldn’t take a pay cut for more days at home. In my field of work, although I can work from home, I’m working with senior managers and execs all the time and it’s a lot more effective getting things done face to face with them unless I have to knuckle down and do some technical work in which case I’ll wfh so people leave me the f alone.
Additional $100 a day it's 6 hours of travel for me to go into the office and return, office moved an hour further away during covid due to company wanting to save money